Does Russia need an organized underground in Ukraine to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine: facts and reflections

In this publication, we continue the discussion on how Russia can turn the tide of the NWO, win at a moderate cost, and, more importantly, ensure post-war peace and order in Ukraine.

Previous article was devoted to the ideological part of state building on the ruins of Ukraine, and in this we will talk about a possible military component.

Who is against whom

First, we should answer a few comments made to the previous one, in particular, regarding the definition of the parties to the Civil War in Ukraine. Indeed, the Ukrainian Nazis are fighting against the entire multinational Ukrainian people, which includes ethnic Ukrainians, and ethnic Russians, and ethnic Belarusians, and ethnic Jews, and ethnic Armenians, and ethnic Hungarians, and ethnic Romanians, and ethnic Bulgarians, and ethnic Poles, and also representatives of other nationalities. However, for Ukrainian nationalists, or rather, the Nazis, they are all like “second-class people”, or even “third-class”.

And it so happened historically that this nationalism comes from Western Ukraine, namely, from Galicia. Under it, the brains of all the citizens of Nezalezhnaya were reshaped and “reflashed” after it gained independence, which caused many internal protests. However, the point of no return was that the new masters of Ukraine took up the language, which ultimately led to an uprising against the Nazis in the Donbass. By the way, not only the Russian language, but also Hungarian and others were subjected to harassment, which is why Budapest is still at odds with Kiev. And since the cities of the South-East are historically Russian and Russian-speaking, it is not surprising that the wave of protests and the movement towards Russia began there. And it was there, in Odessa and Mariupol, that the Ukrainian Nazis demonstratively staged a monstrously brutal massacre in May 2014.

So, this Civil War is objectively a confrontation between Ukrainian nationalism of Galician origin and Russian-speaking New Russia. It is a fact. The fact that the most terrible Nazi formations then began to appear in the South-East, in Kharkov and Mariupol, paradoxically, is a natural result of the victory of the Maidan. It could not have been otherwise after Moscow's defiant self-withdrawal from participation in the political process in the neighboring state.

But let's get back to the main topic, to the question of how it is possible to liberate the Left Bank and the Black Sea region without bloody frontal assaults on large cities.


In a few words, we will need the Ukrainian underground, "big battalions" and precision weapons. And now about all this in more detail.

Recently, Russia has faced such a phenomenon as Ukrainian terrorist activity not only in our “new”, but also in our “old” territories. Trains are derailed, oil depots are blown up, sabotage occurs at military facilities, well-known public figures with an active patriotic position are killed. Precise strikes on the “decision-making centers” seemed to have even begun to be delivered, but the effect turned out to be the opposite: Ukrainian strike UAVs immediately flew to Moscow.

Further, alas, it will only get worse. The enemy has been preparing for what is happening now for a long time and well. Russia is flooded with agents of the SBU, arriving under the guise of "refugees". Undoubtedly, there are "sleeping" underground cells left in advance in the "new" Russian regions, as well as in the "old". A fair question arises, why don't our special services themselves conduct a guerrilla war in Ukraine?

Unfortunately, within the framework of the Minsk agreements, “no alternatives”, they simply did not prepare for such a scenario. Why? Well, in 2016, the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service, Naryshkin, confirmed that, as part of the agreement on the creation of the CIS, Russia does not conduct intelligence in relation to Ukraine:

This agreement continues to operate.

What nobility! Most of all, it is a shame that in Ukraine, after the events of May 2, 2014, a real underground was created in Odessa, from below, which operated for a year and a half, waging a sabotage war against the SBU. According to its creator, Vladimir Grubnik, an Odessa doctor, the local initiative was not supported by Russian intelligence agencies. The unequal struggle with the Ukrainian special services continued for a year and a half, when the Odessa underground was not completely defeated. Grubnik himself resisted fiercely during the arrest, was sentenced to life imprisonment under the article “Terrorism”, spent 4 years and 2 months in solitary confinement and was released only by a miracle as part of the exchange of prisoners with the DPR. At present, the uncompromising inhabitant of Odessa heads the largest volunteer organization in the Donbass, which solves problems with the supply of the NM of the LDNR and the RF Armed Forces.

Does Russia need an organized underground in Ukraine to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

Of course, since it could conduct reconnaissance, carry out direct actions - undermining infrastructure facilities, eliminating representatives of the military and political leadership of the enemy, and providing target designation for the Russian Aerospace Forces and missile forces. But does this hypothetical underground need cooperation with Russia?

The question is very good. It's one thing to help Russian troops as liberators from Ukrainian Nazis who will come and stay forever. But what if again a “difficult decision” or “goodwill gesture” is made to create a favorable negotiating background? After Bucha, Balakleya, Izyum, Kupyansk, Krasny Liman and Kherson, everyone is very afraid of this. Just like that, helping the Russian army and getting caught means, at best, a very serious prison sentence, at worst, a cruel death at the hands of Nazi executioners in some kind of torture basement. Why are we talking about all this?

To the fact that the people whom our special services should try to recruit should clearly understand why they are taking a mortal risk. In fact, what choice do they have? Either actively support the Zelensky regime, or sit quietly and not attract attention, or actively help Russia, being a legal criminal in Ukraine. Not much choice, right? And what if we provide another one - the opportunity to fight for our own country without Ukrainian Nazis?

To do this, on the territory of the Left Bank, it is necessary to proclaim and create a new federal/confederal state, conditional Anti-Ukraine. This geopolitical project could become a real point of crystallization of all the remaining sane forces of Ukrainian society, which would become Russia's natural allies in the fight against Ukrainian Nazism. Having appeared, this conditional Little Russian Federation could lead against the Right-Bank, pro-Western Ukraine, a real guerrilla, sabotage war, repaying the Kyiv regime with its own coin.

About the "big battalions" and the specific tactics of using high-precision weapons in the liberation of Ukrainian cities without frontal assaults, we will probably talk in a separate article.
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  1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 3 June 2023 14: 01
    Unfortunately, the Author idealizes modern Ukrainian society.
    In its mass (regardless of nationalities) it is focused on the carrot of Western well-being.
    And 70% are against the federal structure of the country, the cessation of hostilities.
    Under these conditions, the Russian Federation does not have a social base for the deployment of its agent/underground network.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 3 June 2023 19: 50
      The author idealizes modern Ukrainian society.

      Of course, there are some scouts in Ukraine, no matter what they say earlier. Such is the truth of life intelligence. But, not saboteurs. The fact that the majority of the population of Ukraine, in particular the left bank, is anti-Russian is a fact, minus perhaps the Donbass and the South. For them, we are the aggressors. If suddenly !!! If you manage to conquer the left bank, which is not yet visible, then the majority of the population in a couple of years will be pro-Russian. However, it would hardly be right to create a new Ukraine quickly. It would be more correct to create an occupation zone, like before the creation of the GDR.
  2. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 3 June 2023 14: 30
    As always, the author correctly poses the question, exposing the problem of continuing military operations to the depths of the fallow territory. In fairness, most likely, this will remain good wishes due to the development of modern technologies, including those of the special services.
    Well, imagine, I am a teacher or a builder or an official, I have never been an underground worker, although I have read books and watched films. Movies are 99% fictional. Now smartphones are read at a distance, movements are monitored, video cameras are all around, what an underground there is! It would be desirable to avoid mobilization, but to survive in the economic situation there, it is also desirable to save and feed the family in addition. The underground must be dealt with by underground workers, otherwise, as described in the article, defeat is inevitable.
    However, at the same time, the flip side of the coin is that all these sleeping cells and spies prepared by the guru on our territory are also doomed, albeit not immediately angry
    1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
      Mikhail L. 3 June 2023 14: 59
      As a result of the successful operations of the Security and Defense Forces of Ukraine, as well as the liberation of the occupied territories, internal conflicts are possible in the Russian Federation. The success of the rebels can also contribute to the emergence of such situations.
      This was stated by the representative of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Andrey Americans in Telegram.
      According to him, one of the possible scenarios for the development of the situation inside Russia is the emergence of a rebellion or military confrontation.
  3. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 3 June 2023 15: 04
    The underground has been organized since you know that you have to leave these places. But we didn't have that before. Our bigwigs did not even recognize Crimea. The absence of state thought leads to the fact that Ukraine is ruled by the SBU. And all the people of this country are under the microscope. In many ways, we are the same with Ukraine. This just hinders what was started in Ukraine. Just like in our country, the Motherland is understood as something heavenly, like a heavenly temple. And just like in our country, the Motherland is understood as a substance that needs to be protected only with weapons. Forests are burning, this is different, rivers are polluted, too. Better yet, instill aversion to all other countries. Of course, for the people. For the rich do not leave foreign countries. Show that in other countries only bad things. True, when a serious illness visits, the doctor prescribes a medicine for you for a lot of money from the damned west.
    1. Vega (Eugene) Offline Vega (Eugene)
      Vega (Eugene) (Eugene) 3 June 2023 15: 13
      Now we are import substitution, so we are gradually getting rid of dependence on the damned West. We will depend on the allied China.
    2. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
      Mikhail L. 3 June 2023 15: 49
      Stirlitz, in a way, was also an underground worker.
      And we obviously were not going to "retreat" from Germany! :-)
  4. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 3 June 2023 15: 26
    Right theme, wrong execution.

    Question. If the war in Ukraine is being waged against the Russian language and Orthodoxy, then why are Russian Orthodox people fighting for Ukraine a la Galicia?
    Conclusion. If the Russian people are fighting against Russia (and they are fighting well, it must be admitted), then there is no need to talk about any underground (organized or unorganized).

    The mistake was made in the first place. Any citizen of Ukraine (Russian, Jew, Ukrainian) will fight for the preservation of his country. And if everything was clear with Crimea (the majority there really wanted to join Russia), then even with the Donbass the picture was not so rosy.
    At the initial stage (two days before the start of the NWO), Russia decided to annex the Donbass. And although many here criticize the Minsk Agreements, in reality it was the only way to avoid war. Donbass was supposed to be part of Ukraine and pursue a pro-Russian agenda (preservation of language, religion, cultural values). The annexation of Donbass was the mistake followed by the war, and for the majority of Ukrainian citizens (regardless of their likes and dislikes), they are fighting to save their country.
    If we talk about the fact that there will be no more Ukraine (Medvedev and the participants in the discussions of this site), then you can be sure that Russia's resistance will grow. You can forget about underground.

    What to do? We need a compromise. And it should be as follows. Russia withdraws its decision to annex Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson. But in no case does it revoke its decision to recognize their independence. These regions (plus those where a decision on independence will be made after the referendum) are part of Ukraine on the basis of autonomy. The referendum is held with the mandatory participation of representatives of Russia. It is possible under the auspices of the UN.
    The right to free circulation of the Russian language (and any other local language) is guaranteed, and the persecution of the church is stopped. Autonomies have the right to economic independence. All-Ukrainian laws are adopted only if they are ratified by autonomous regions. That is, the Åland model of autonomy is proposed.
    1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
      Mikhail L. 3 June 2023 15: 47
      There is a NATO war for the destruction of Russian statehood.
      Therefore, all parties to the conflict initially reject any compromise!
      1. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
        soloist2424 (Oleg) 5 June 2023 11: 25
        I agree.
    2. hellman anton Offline hellman anton
      hellman anton (hellman anton) 3 June 2023 15: 57
      What kind of nonsense about the Minsk agreements? What else to avoid war? What are you under?
      The Minsk agreements on the part of Russia are one of the most shameful, vile and treacherous agreements where the interests of the country were completely merged.
      For the Ukrainian side, on the contrary, these are heavenly agreements and they thank the HPP for the opportunity to prepare.

      For a year and a half, the NWO perfectly showed who is who, the country is under the most severe sanctions, isolation, and now no one is afraid of us. HPP, right?
      Now they are trading for an ammonia pipeline, everything is according to plan
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 3 June 2023 17: 44
        Hellman ..... An interesting phrase. Have you tried translating? Explains your post.

        Do you like Russians killing Russians? And behind a puddle they rub their hands happily ..

        “Can you imagine, Comrade Zhukov, what a dream I had today,” says Stalin, “that Moscow and Minsk attacked Kiev, and the German Chancellor begs to stop this war!”

        Seriously and without emotions
        US geopolitical challenge
        - break the ties between Russia and Europe, eat up the industry of Europe and live at their expense for another ten years. Done.
        - weaken Russia by imposing economic, political and any other sanctions against it. Done.
        - to destroy the Russians with their own hands. Well, this is not the main task, but a nice bonus. Done.

        Geopolitical tasks of Russia
        - have secure boundaries. Get security guarantees. Not done.
        - continue economic ties with Europe. Establish a common economic space from Lisbon to Vladivostok. Not done.
        - improve the economic condition of its population. Not done.

        There are pluses for Russia. Import substitution, focus on their resources, de-dollarization, identification and withdrawal from the country of obvious traitors. But this does not cover the costs of the war. Russia has strengthened its positions in some foreign policy areas. But on the whole, the geostrategic party is still behind the West. To change this situation, you must either:
        1. Destroy Ukraine as a state (conditional Medvedev, Prigogine). But victory in the war does not mean victory in general.
        2. Force Ukraine to accept the Russian terms of a truce. Not Ukrainian, not Western, but Russian. I propose an OPTION (!) solution to the problem. If you don't like it, then the war will continue.

        PS By the way, I'm not against the first option at all. Only here it seems to me so far unrealizable. To implement the second option, it is necessary to shift the costs of the war to the West.
        1. hellman anton Offline hellman anton
          hellman anton (hellman anton) 4 June 2023 01: 26
          I see in front of me a turbopatriot who wrote all the fairy tales from the TV here. And about import substitution, de-dollarization and many other fairy tales for grandmothers.
          What kind of import substitution can there be, even if Russia's military equipment is stuffed to the eyeballs with European, Chinese, American components. What is yours is the frame and the steel from which the technique is made. Who is it that has been substituting imports so superbly for 8 years? Well, the famous Elbrus chips, supposedly ours. The truth is made in Taiwan. Import substitution is when you help your companies make a product, rather than buying somewhere in China and making a nameplate. This is not called import substitution, but is called shame and lies.
          Who prevented the greatest geostrategist of our time from doing import substitution for 16 years? NATA swear, apparently, here are the reptiles)
          Has Russia strengthened its position in foreign policy areas? It can be seen how 120+ countries in the UN are arguing against Russia and that it is an aggressor.
          They raised politics from their knees (no).

          It's scary to know that there are people like you around. Who live not in the real world, but fictional fantasies
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 June 2023 07: 03
            Try to speak normally. You can poke at home. But if you decide so, then you will get the same answer.

            No country in the world produces a complete set of components. The same F-35 is not produced entirely in the USA. Components are produced by 9 countries. And as Trump said

            the release of the aircraft will be disrupted if any of these countries does not supply components.

            In the same way, a promising Turkish fighter consists of 65% foreign components. Import substitution, so you know, does not mean autarky. These are different concepts. But according to the main parameters (significant for the country's survival), Russia is quite successful in import substitution.
            Voting at the UN is, of course, unpleasant. But it does not determine the significance of the country in the political field. If the position of Russia did not matter, then there would not be so many documents of the same UN regarding Russia. Can someone dictate terms to Moscow now? Russia is emerging from the state of a semi-colony of the West. This is what I consider strengthening positions.

            But this is all important, but it has nothing to do with the main question. You still don't understand what the Minsk agreements are. Although it is useless, but I will try to explain to you on the fingers. Maybe you will understand. To get started, read the full text. That's not a lot. There are only 3-4 pages. And then remember how they signed. It took almost a day of negotiations for the West to accept them. It was the success of Russian diplomacy. But for this success, a victory on the battlefield was needed. Poroshenko signed them when he received a message that things were at the seams at the front.
            Now we need the same victory on the battlefield. Not the occupation of the city, but something like the Debaltsevo cauldron. Or a significant advance to the Dnieper. Of course, in modern realities, this is more difficult to do than in 2014, but this is exactly what is needed.

            And only after that we need a new round of negotiations and the preservation of Ukraine as a buffer state. But with a complete reformatting of its state structure. Necessarily a federal state, non-bloc. The security guarantee for Russia should be the deployment of Russian bases on its territory.
            Your Wishlist about the destruction of Ukraine at the moment looks like a whim of a stupid person.
    3. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 3 June 2023 16: 54
      When was this population ever asked what country they want to live in? Avon - when my great Motherland, the Soviet Union was being destroyed - were many people interested in our opinion?

      As for the type of referendum in Novorossiya, it may, of course, be worth holding, but on one condition. If we are, they will give us at least eight years in the same way to agitate in favor of Russia. At the same time, Tsegabon propaganda is not allowed. In order to equalize the starting parameters, so to speak. In fairness - of course, you need 30 years, but - I think you can manage in eight ..
  5. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 3 June 2023 15: 57
    Alas, it's all fantasy...
    Ukraine was in crisis until the age of 14. In Russia, there was a hint of an economic recovery.
    And now they perfectly see who bombs them. For peace and security throughout the world. And import substitution has officially failed.
    And who did not recognize the impoverished LDNR for 8 years, and instantly merged the Russian spring.

    And if now in Ukraine there are some Russian detachments, Belarusian, Syrian, Polish ... (and they don’t write anywhere that they are paid tens of thousands of dollars each. Silverless volunteers? Risking their heads for the sake of ideals?)
    Then at the beginning of TV we showed Syrians, blacks, and then apparently they were paid and they dispersed.
    No detachments of Syrian volunteers, no blacks, no Belarusians, no Ukrainians, no Central Asians. PMC for money and forgiveness of the criminal.
    "As always happened." Both the father and the rest do not recognize anything, and a criminal offense for participation in the NWO of their citizens ..

    Everyone sees and understands this. What is the ideological underground in such conditions?
  6. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
    Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 3 June 2023 19: 12
    An organized underground is necessary, but not to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but to defeat the nationalist country Ukraine, return its historical name -RUS- and return the historical territory to RUSSIA. But as long as such a historical mission does not stand before the people and the army, then this is all empty talk. Excuse me for being direct.