Atlantic Council writes about "Putin's declining status" in the world

31 May 2023 47

On the eve of the BRICS summit, which will be held in Johannesburg (South Africa) at the end of August, the Atlantic Council analytical center (Atlantic Council) released an article about the difficult situation of Vladimir Putin. Analysts believe that there is a possibility of the arrest of the Russian president under an ICC warrant.

The South African authorities, who signed the Rome Statute, are technically obliged to comply with the order of the International Criminal Court. They are trying to prevent such a development of the situation with Putin's diplomatic immunity as a participant in the summit, but this does not cancel the operation of the ICC warrant.

Putin's declining status on the world stage is underlined by the fact that travel plans are now determined by the likelihood of detention

– noted in the Atlantic Council.

At the same time, Western experts draw attention to the “international rise” in favor of Ukraine, as a result of which the Kremlin is “isolated”. After the start of the special operation, many Western companies left Russia, and Moscow's reputation "was seriously damaged." In general, the SVO turned out to be a rather “expensive miscalculation”.

Meanwhile, Russia has increased its chances of winning the conflict with Ukraine, as the Russian leader drew "red lines" that limit the interaction between NATO and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Because of this, Washington is deprived of the opportunity to fully equip Kyiv with weapons. This idea was expressed by the American economist Peter Morici.

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Bakht

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31 May 2023 15: 17

The only consequence of the ICC's decision will be that the leaders of other countries will line up to be admitted to the Kremlin.
And Johannesburg is now frantically trying to move the BRICS meeting to Beijing.
It seems to me that this indicates an increase in Putin's status in the world. Everyone is well aware that holding a meeting without Russia simply does not make sense.
No one in the world calls into question the downgrading of the status of the United States and Biden personally.
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RUR

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31 May 2023 15: 28

Not only Putin, but also Russia is losing the status of a world military force (2nd Army), the status of, like, a European country due to its turn to Asia, although it was not considered completely such even in the period between the Petrine reforms and 1917, and is losing the status of a Slavic countries - the Czech Republic and Poland position themselves as such, because the Silesian Croats migrated from the territory of the Western Slavs to the Balkans, and from the territory of Slovakia migration to Slovenia, the Lusatian Serbs formed Balkan Serbia ... The Czech Republic and Poland, even in the Tale of Bygone Years - the oldest Russian chronicle - are considered the original Slavic core. As can be seen from the course of the NMD, the former Grand Duchy of Lithuania (Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania) also gravitates here ... Under the Russian Federation, Serbia and Bulgaria may still remain for some time, sharing with Russia a common Byzantine and strong Turkish / Turkic influence. ..

Western Rus' often considers its eastern neighbors a Finno-Ugric mix, by the way, often relying on Russian sources, for example, on Klyuchevsky
1. Bakht
  
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  31 May 2023 17: 48
  
  Klyuchevsky didn't say that. Read his lectures first before writing nonsense.
  1. RUR
    
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    31 May 2023 17: 54
    
    You can read his lectures on history online on the net - 11 or 12 - everything is written about Chud if you understand who they are, since your high mind can be seen well from your comment ...
    Not only Klyuchevsky - Dal (the author of the dictionary) confirmed this from the linguistic side, there are DNA studies, foreign sources, etc. - there is a lot of evidence, and most importantly, the Finno-Ugric peoples themselves recognize this ...
    1. Bakht
      
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      31 May 2023 20: 00
      
      I read Klyuchevsky's lectures. And not on the Internet, but in a book. I have such weakness - to collect library. Then about the Internet and did not hear.
      
      About absorption Chud Slavs Klyuchevsky wrote. But Klyuchevsky has nothing about the fact that this is a "Ugric-Finnish mix". There is an analysis of linguistics, toponymy, customs. But there is not a single people on Earth in which different tribes would not mix. There are no pure peoples anywhere.
      
      Regarding the fact that Czechs or Poles have the status of Slavic countries, the Germans will not agree with you. Also, by the way, they were once Slavic tribes. "Were" is the key word. All of them entered the Western European ethnos. Lost faith, culture. They were well numbed and made second-class citizens.
      But this is all the story that Ukrainians love to shock. Which is not clear at all. A complete "mix" of Poles, Russians, Turks, Jews and God knows who else. It makes no sense to stir up "cases of bygone days."
      
      More important is your thesis that Russia has lost its status as a "second military force." For some reason, it seems to me that Russia has confirmed its status as the "first world force." Name me a country that can resist the entire NATO bloc and the "strongest army in Europe" (that's what Ukrainians say about the Armed Forces of Ukraine)? Show me the army that crushed this very "strongest army in Europe"? But Russia has not even carried out the mobilization in full.
      For information: I don’t even consider the US Army the third most powerful in the world.
      
      Returning to the topic of the article. Now, in order to negotiate with Putin, any Western leader has to go to Moscow. And wait, they will accept him in the Kremlin or not. It is a fact. Scholz and Macrons come and go. But who will negotiate with Putin after them? And where?
      
      From recent history. The leaders of France, England, Germany, the United States unanimously repeated "Assad must go!" Assad is still sitting in his chair. But all these "leaders" have long since left. And many in disgrace.
      1. Raymond
        
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        31 May 2023 20: 37
        
        1) vaincre l'armée qui serait la plus puissante en Europe (Ukraine)... Très simple: arrêter les livraisons d'armes.
        
        Ainsi, le premier Fournisseur de ce pays est celui qui peut l'arrêter, pas la Russie, car pendant les 8 mois de guerre, il convient de rappeler que le premier fournisseur d'armes à l'Ukraine était la Russie (involontairement).
        
        2) sur un pays capable de résister à l'ensemble du bloc de l'OTAN:
        
        À ce jour (31/05/2023) et au cours des 15 derniers mois, la Russie démontre clairement et sans équivoque qu'elle n'est pas en mesure de dominer le pays de l'ancien pacte de Varsovie qui se conforme aux normes de l'OTAN, avec des équipements obsolètes représentant environ 15% de la puissance militaire de l'OTAN.
        
        C'est très "patriotique" et c'est un honneur pour vous de croire et de défendre la valeur exagérée du pouvoir... sauf que pour le moment, la Russie ne s'oppose pas au bloc de l'OTAN, comme vous le dites.
        Le président Poutine le dit... mais il est facile de démontrer que le président dit... Des bêtises (1/5 de la puissance militaire du bloc de l'OTAN se trouve dans le Pacifique, donc pas dans l'Atlantique Nord , il ya aussi un porte-avions dans la mer Égée, qui est lui-même deux fois plus que toutes les forces aériennes ukrainiennes)...
        
        Bakht
        
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        31 May 2023 20: 52
        
        And what gives the French text? The Russian army destroyed the Ukrainian army. It is a fact. Losses no one will ever voice in full. But for Ukraine they are catastrophic. Of the NATO countries, I consider Turkey the most combat-ready (it will not fight with Russia) and the Bundeswehr (in question, since no one really checked its combat capability). The rest are just extras.
        
        American generals, for example, believe that if they stop pumping Ukraine with NATO weapons, then the collapse will come in one to two weeks.
        
        Sorry, but your link is about nothing.
        
        RUR
        
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        31 May 2023 22: 09
        
        The Russian army destroyed the Ukrainian army.
        
        this is so and not so - who is fighting there then, the destroyed army, or what? You can argue that the West is helping, but these are allies of Ukraine, and without allies it is rare who wins wars
        
        Bakht
        
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        31 May 2023 22: 34
        
        It's like this and it's not like that
        
        The real view of things looks like this: the state of Ukraine (precisely as a state entity) does not exist in its former form. And will no longer exist. Ukraine has practically no army. There are a lot of people who are still (!) structured into military units. This is not an army in the modern sense of the word. Technical support from the West still keeps this army in a relatively combat-ready state. But by itself, she can no longer fight.
        
        There is practically no industry in the country. It may be objected that Ukraine even produces some types of weapons, including drones. I do not believe that they are produced directly in Ukraine. But that's my personal opinion. I do not insist.
        
        On the conte, an approximate alignment was given for the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since January of this year. No one has exact numbers, but using open sources they brought such terrible numbers. In January, Western experts said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had accumulated a 100-strong reserve for a counteroffensive. In the spring, in the same West, the media wrote that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had 60 thousand ready for a counteroffensive. Now the figure has dropped (again according to Western media) to 40 people. If this is true, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine have lost about 60 thousand people from the prepared reserves since the beginning of the year.
        
        It is hard to fight without allies. But sometimes wars are won without allies. If there is a strong rear. But this moment I think is the most important in the NWO. Not a victory over Ukraine (this is important, but it doesn't change anything). And the victory of patriotic forces in the country and the departure from the status of a semi-colony of the West. This will be a clear victory over the collective West.
        
        RUR
        
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        1 June 2023 18: 54
        
        Quote: Bakht
        and a move away from the semi-colony status of the West. This will be a clear victory over the collective West.
        
        and the transition to the state of a semi-colony of China - and such a price may be, I suspect that the whole risky undertaking of the Russian Federation is poorly calculated
      2. RUR
        
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        31 May 2023 20: 56
        
        I read Klyuchevsky's lectures. And not on the Internet, but in a book. I have such weakness - to collect library. Then about the Internet and did not hear.
        
        Do not tell me, in the net, the scan is one to one, i.e. an exact copy, and why do the Germans have some kind of authority for you? The Germans themselves have a significant% r1a1, but no more than 30% is considered to be Slavic, and it is historically confirmed - the assimilation of the Polabian Slavs and Lusatian Serbs, the entire territory of the former GDR - the lands of the Western Slavs - in the Eurasian culture of Russia, however, is considered to be truly Germanic lands, some of which Poland stole after WWII. Klyuchevsky - "the miracle entered Rus'", and not a mix, but in principle this is the same mix - this is the terminology of geneticists.
        And what did YOU think after the Horde to proudly sing that the Russian and the Chinese are brothers, and then rant about who the Slavs and Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc. are
        
        Bakht
        
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        31 May 2023 21: 12
        
        Oh, another geneticist.
        
        Read Klyuchevsky carefully. He does not say that "chud entered Rus'." It says that "the Slavs assimilated and absorbed the Chud." Having borrowed some terms of toponymy, linguistics and religious customs.
        
        How right I was when I noticed that you write nonsense. The Slavic peoples occupied a vast territory of eastern and western Europe. But I put in this term not a genotype, but a worldview (mentality, they would say now). The Western Slavs, having adopted Catholicism, entered the Western superethnos. And they no longer have anything to do with the Slavs. Whatever genes they carry.
        Sociology and genetics are different sciences. If the Afghan Mustafa Nayem has other genes, but was brought up in Ukraine, then who is he? Pashtun or Ukrainian? According to sociology, he is Ukrainian, even though he has a 100% set of Pashtun genes.
        
        The same is true for Czechs and Poles. Having entered the Western superethnos, they ceased to be Slavs. That is why the Orthodox Church canonized Alexander Nevsky as a saint. For the fact that he preserved the Orthodox faith and did not submit to the Western ethnos.
        Having adopted Catholicism, people adopt a different type of thinking and a different stereotype of behavior. Russians and Europeans (Orthodox and Catholics) will never come to an agreement. They have different attitudes in life. But for this it is necessary not only to read Klyuchevsky.
        
        Bakht
        
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        31 May 2023 21: 58
        
        First of all, for the emergence of civil society, it was necessary to remake a person - the Reformation in Europe, in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, the transformation of a person into an individual and an owner. The Reformation changed the idea of man, rejecting the idea of collective salvation of the soul, the religious brotherhood of people. A principled, religiously grounded individualism arose, incompatible with collectivism and catholicity.
        
        The axis of civil society was private property.
        
        We read in the fundamental multivolume "History of ideology", according to which they study in Western universities: "Civil wars and revolutions are inherent in liberalism in the same way that wage labor and wages are inherent in property and capital. The democratic state is the exhaustive formula of a people of proprietors, constantly seized by the fear of expropriation. Those who have nothing but themselves, as Locke said , have no representation in a democracy. Therefore, civil war is a condition for the existence of liberal democracy. Through war, the power of the state is established in the same way that the "people" is established through the revolution, and political right is property. Therefore, such a democracy means that there is a mass threatening the "people" workers who have nothing to lose, but who can win everything. Thus, this democracy is nothing but a cold civil war waged by the state."
        
        History helps to understand the present. I think almost everyone in Russia was struck by the hatred and cruelty with which the masters of the West and their press treated the Serbs during the Yugoslav conflict. Here one cannot even speak of "double morality" - in relation to the Serbs there was no morality at all, they, as a whole, as a people, were represented by the fiends of hell. As the newspapers cynically write, the "satanization" of the Serbs in the public consciousness of the West was carried out. This cannot be explained by hatred of the communists - the Croat general Tudjman was the same communist as Milosevic (and in general, Tito's communism, who rebelled against the USSR, was a darling of the West). Here - thousand-year-old smoldering hatred for Orthodoxy and Byzantium.
        
        In the XII century crusades began against the Slavs. Chapters about how Albert Medved and Heinrich Leo cleared the center of Europe from the Slavs are scary to read. Although the Moravians, Wends and Serbs had already been baptized, they were exterminated as pagans. The systematic clearing of lands from the Slavs continued for four centuries - from the bloody campaigns of Charles I the Great. In the chronicles, which were written by the abbots accompanying him, the Slavs were called nothing more than toads and worms. This pressure was stopped by Alexander Nevsky in the north and the Mongols in Hungary.
        
        RUR
        
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        31 May 2023 22: 42
        
        In the XII century crusades began against the Slavs. Chapters about how Albert Medved and Heinrich Leo cleared the center of Europe from the Slavs are scary to read. Although the Moravians, Wends and Serbs had already been baptized, they were exterminated as pagans.
        
        Where did you read such nonsense? This is of course true from the Moscow-Tatar point of view only. You have a vague idea of what happened there in that part of Europe, because, in your opinion, for example, Poland illegally stuck some truly German lands to itself, etc., which must be returned to the Germans, etc., etc., the very word LUZHYCHANE is in Russian according to Fasmer's dictionary - book borrowing, i.e. in Muscovy / Russia they learned about them from foreign - Czech, Polish or German - books and did not know, therefore the Russians destroyed this ethnic group, refusing to join Czechoslovakia after 1945, and they put forward such a request, now they disappear, becoming Germanized. The Polabian Slavs were pagans, and therefore they were forcibly converted to Christianity, and one of their prince himself, after baptism, took part in the crusades in the Middle East
        
        Bakht
        
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        31 May 2023 23: 11
        
        I read books and don't think they're "stupid". "Crusade against the schismatics" was and is described in history. From Wikipedia
        
        Crusades - a series of religious military campaigns of the XI-XV centuries from the kingdoms of Western Europe, initiated and directed by the Latin Church against Muslims, pagans and heretics
        
        Under the heretics, the parsky pretol understood the Orthodox. There was also talk of a "crusade against the schismatics."
        I wonder why Alexander Nevsky fought with the Teutons? Or was he a pagan? Or was there no Christianity in Novgorod?
        How the crusaders behaved during the capture of Constantinople, there is also a lot of information. Do you want a quote? From the same book where it is written about "nonsense". This is about the attitude of Catholics to the Orthodox.
        
        One of the leaders of the crusaders, Geoffrey de Villehardouin, wrote in the chronicle “The Conquest of Constantinople”: “The fire began to spread throughout the city, which soon blazed brightly and burned all night and all the next day until evening. This was the third fire in Constantinople since the Franks and Venetians came to this land, and more houses were burned in the city than can be counted in any of the three largest cities of the French kingdom.
        
        The rest of the army, spreading out over the city, took a lot of booty - so much that no one could truly determine its quantity or value. There was gold and silver, tableware and precious stones, satin and silk, clothes with squirrel and ermine fur, and in general all the best that can be found on earth. Such abundant booty has not been taken in any city since the creation of the world.
        
        Internal strife did their job. Geoffroy de Villehardouin was surprised that in a city of 500, only a small part of the inhabitants came to his defense, which allowed the crusaders to take Constantinople with small forces.
        
        The count of the townspeople killed during the robberies was in the thousands; no one counted the number of raped women at all.
        
        Christian shrines, including the church of Hagia Sophia, were destroyed and plundered.
        
        RUR
        
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        31 May 2023 23: 41
        
        I read books and don't think they're "stupid". "Crusade against the schismatics" was and is described in history. From Wikipedia
        
        but the Russian book/academic understanding is very specific if you don't like the word foolishness, but once again, for example, your Eurasianism and Greek Orthodoxy - why are they suddenly more Slavic than Catholicism - translated as universal - and European culture? It's all Russian. Even some in Russia understand this, that this is not universal, for example, Surkov’s well-known article was called the Loneliness of the Half-breed, then the truth hit his head with urine and he decided that Russia should expand, wrote another article. But about loneliness, of course, he has, of course, more precisely and more correctly - Russian fabrications, like, Russian theories are not at all universal and not universal even for the Slavs
        
        Bakht
        
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        1 June 2023 00: 28
        
        What makes you think that "Eurasianism is mine"? What makes you think that "Eurasianism is more Slavic"? Just the opposite. From the works of the Eurasians follows a turn to the East. Up to the assertion that Moscow is the capital of the Mongol Horde (exaggerated of course. Do not take it literally). Eurasianism has never been the dominant ideology of either the Russian Empire, or the USSR, or modern Russia. It was the opinion of a small group of intellectuals. Such groups are a wagon and a small cart.
        You constantly attribute your fantasies to me and then successfully refute them.
        
        You have transferred absolutely simple sociological conclusions about the incompatibility of Catholicism and Orthodoxy to political teachings. I have never been a Eurasian. And I don't quite understand some of them. It's not that I don't understand - I don't accept it.
        
        The (radical) difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism (in its modern form) is a different approach to the world around us. Orthodoxy does not separate a person from society: "Let us be saved by the whole world." In modern Catholicism (Protestant ethics) man is his own God. And the main thing is wealth. Not spiritual, but material: "God loves the rich." Nietzsche wrote about the superman, Gorky showed this on the example of Larra, and the SS men had an inscription on a belt or on a dagger
        
        there are three of us: I, God and I.
        
        In Russia, thanks to Orthodoxy, this does not take root.
        
        Based on this, I conclude that Catholicism and Orthodoxy will not find a common language. This confrontation has been going on for over a thousand years. And no superstructures and theories like Eurasianism or Westernism change anything here. I agree with the Eurasian Gumilyov that Russian civilization (he writes ethnos) was greatly influenced by natural habitat conditions. However, like any other ethnic group. But I do not recognize his craving for Eurasianism as a complete theory.
        
        For God's sake, don't attribute your thoughts to me. The article was very simple. Is the authority of Russia and Putin personally falling as a result of the war in Ukraine? No, it doesn't fall. The author gives wishful thinking. Not a single speech by Western leaders is complete without a mention of Putin. Without mentioning Russia, there is not a single significant document in the West. Without Russia, it is impossible to maintain at least some balance of life support for the same West. From grain to oil, from coal to titanium. From nuclear power plants to galoshes (by the way, also not the latest product for millions of people in the world).
        
        If Putin's authority is so low, then with whom in the West do they want to make peace or a truce? Whether Western leaders like it or not, they will have to deal with Putin and Russia. Russia will never lose a war in Ukraine. She wins it. Not as fast as we would like. With losses. But he wins. Ukraine (and the West as a whole) is losing this war. The EU and NATO made the same mistake as Hitler. And sign the act of surrender. Sooner or later it will.
        
        Everything else that was mentioned here is not relevant to the topic of this article.
        
        RUR
        
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        1 June 2023 00: 26
        
        I wonder why Alexander Nevsky fought with the Teutons? Or was he a pagan? Or was there no Christianity in Novgorod?
        
        Not everything is so simple, Rome is far away even now,
        the holy throne often did not know what was happening then in the Baltics and other places, many excesses were of purely German / order origin, later Poland provided the then Pope with a more complete picture of what was happening, there was a trial between Poland and the Order, at which the crimes of the Order were considered, this court the Order lost
        
        Bakht
        
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        1 June 2023 00: 46
        
        The Papal Throne knew everything perfectly. Knightly Orders were created under the leadership of the Pope. It was he who gave permission for the founding of the Order. The orders were created specifically for the conquest of the northern tribes and the war against Rus'. They were called "Northern Crusades".
        Why else would the Teutons invade Novgorod and Pskov? And these were Christian cities. Christianity has been adopted in Rus' for several centuries. That's just the Pope issued a bull about the "crusades against the pagans."
        Sure enough, there was a court. The trial was about the occupied lands. And the order filed an appeal and returned nothing.
        It was a trial between two Catholic groups. As for the murder of Orthodox and pagans, the Pope did not object at all.
        
        All this was said in the same vein of irreconcilable enmity between Catholics and Orthodox. I didn't mean anything else. The reason for this rejection on the part of the Papal Throne I have stated.
        
        RUR
        
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        1 June 2023 00: 58
        
        Eurasianism has never been the dominant ideology of either the Russian Empire, or the USSR, or modern Russia. This
        
        But WHAT IS AT THE MOMENT? There is a powerful Eurasian movement in the Russian Federation, like theorists, but life itself in the Russian Federation is a Eurasian, and often even purely Asian practice. Your admiration for Orthodoxy is understandable, but not all societies / societies are collectivist, not everywhere there was an Asian mode of production ... and the religion corresponding to it
        
        Bakht
        
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        1 June 2023 01: 13
        
        Where in Russia does the "POWERFUL EURASIAN CURRENT" exist? If someone writes an article, it does not mean that this is the prevailing opinion.
        The "Asian mode of production" was invented either by Marx or Engels. And the term didn't catch on. In any case, this term is criticized by well-known economists.
        My admiration for Orthodoxy is again your assumption. I'm an atheist. And reinforced concrete. I agree with Laplace
        
        I don't need this hypothesis.
        
        But from a purely human and humanistic point of view, I am more impressed by life in society than by opposing myself to society. The Puritan Protestant ethic is against human nature. And against any religion. You probably know what WASP is. Or the ideas of Rudyard Kipling. A good book "Mowgli", but he took on the "burden of a white man" in vain.
        
        On the conscience of the Papal Throne and Catholicism are two or three destroyed Civilizations, millions of victims and blood up to the Papal Tiara. Why should I love or admire them?
        
        RUR
        
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        1 June 2023 13: 19
        
        there really was a court about which you don’t know anything, but you will talk your own .. you, of course, are cheating, since for Catholics Orthodoxy is schism, i.e. schism, not heretics
        
        In modern Catholicism (Protestant ethics) man is his own God.
        
        Chatting about what you have no idea - there is no Protestant ethics in Catholicism, and God is not a man in Protestantism, but he has
        before him is personal responsibility and nothing more, I say that they have read Russian books ...
        
        What makes you think that "Eurasianism is more Slavic"? How.
        
        You don’t know how to read Russian, it’s Russia rushing about with its Eurasianism, claiming that it’s, like, truly Slavic .., at least for Ukraine, Belarus, Serbia, Bulgaria,
        but in Ukraine the lining came out ... I think that this is perhaps attractive only for Serbia, Bulgaria ... and even then I'm not sure
        
        Without mentioning Russia, there is not a single significant document in the West. Without Russia, it is impossible to maintain at least some balance of life support for the same West. From grain to oil, from coal to titanium. From nuclear power plant to galoshes
        
        You write nonsense, as always, however - the creation of the EU, for example, somehow managed without mentioning the USSR, but we are generally silent about the Russian Federation, and oil grain, titanium coal - this is now being abandoned, nuclear power plants are now of a modular type, Poland will build such , the Russian Federation does not produce such. The Russian Federation is in isolation, and you do not understand this, and this will be so until Ukraine considers the issue settled - read Macron's latest statement ... for a more general picture
        
        Bakht
        
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        31 May 2023 23: 13
        
        as do you think, for example, Poland illegally stuck to itself some truly German lands and tid, etc.
        
        Please don't attribute to me what I didn't say. And you don't have to think for me. And what does the history of the 20th century have to do with the history of the Middle Ages?
        
        RUR
        
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        1 June 2023 00: 28
        
        I presented a general opinion here, it was often present on Topkor here too - in the Russian Federation it's like 2 + 2
        
        Bakht
        
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        1 June 2023 00: 50
        
        What does "general opinion" mean? We are not at a party meeting. It can't be like 2+2. Poland received land as a result of the war and as a gift from the Soviet Union. I have been to Germany. Often enough. At Frankfurt Airport and on the Lufthansa website you can find interesting city names. Like Breslau or Danzig. So 2 + 2 is more likely in Germany.
        
        As Brenn said "Woe to the Vanquished" (VAE VICTIS)
        
        RUR
        
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        1 June 2023 13: 40
        
        Poland received land as a result of the war and as a gift from the Soviet Union. I have been to Germany. Often enough. At Frankfurt Airport and on the Lufthansa website you can find interesting city names. Like Breslau or Danzig.
        
        what gift? Before 1939, the territory of Poland was 380 square kilometers, and after 000, gifts were good ... The USSR itself went to WWII on Polish shoulders, as it received allies - Britain (Britain nevertheless declared war on Germany in 312), Lend-Lease , Enigma decoding, Rokossovsky - the author of all plans for major battles of the Second World War ... Britain shared at least once with the USSR Enigma decoding data before the Battle of Kursk
        
        Poland received land as a result of the war and as a gift from the Soviet Union. I have been to Germany. Often enough. At Frankfurt Airport and on the Lufthansa website you can find interesting city names. Like Breslau or Danzig.
        
        In Czech and Polish Leipzig - Lipsk(o). Dresden -Drezno/Drážďany/Drezdno, Brandenburg - Branibor and what?
        
        For you, the names Breslau or Danzig, etc., are undoubtedly full of the deepest meaning and significance, only now they are not etymologized from the German language, i.e. these are just Polish and Czech names distorted by German pronunciation, and you can safely add Moskau here
        
        RUR
        
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        31 May 2023 22: 24
        
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        Read Klyuchevsky carefully. He does not say that "chud entered Rus'." How right I was when I noticed that you write nonsense. .
        
        You have self-conceit, however, I noticed long ago, but poorly backed up.. Here is Klyuchevsky with a link;
        
        http://www.spsl.nsc.ru/history/kluch/kluch17.htm
        
        Chud, gradually becoming Rusey, with all its mass, with all its anthropological and ethnographic features, with its appearance, language, customs and beliefs, was part of the Russian nationality.
        
        - very different from my abbreviation: "chud entered Rus'"
        
        Yes, you think that Eurasianism and other Asianism is, like, truly Slavic, and Greek Orthodoxy is also truly Slavic for some reason ... - well, of course, in Russia even the nobility became fully literate only at the end of the 18th century - the beginning of the 19th century ... therefore, probably, yes?
        
        Bakht
        
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        31 May 2023 22: 48
        
        Chud entered Rus'
        
        chud, gradually rusya
        
        the Slavs assimilated and absorbed the Chud
        
        You wrote the first two sentences
        I wrote the third one.
        Which one is closer to the original? And how are they different? And who has high self-esteem?
        
        Did I write something about "Asianism", "Eurasianism"? You yourself put an equal sign between the Slavs and Orthodoxy. Are these your words?
        
        Under the Russian Federation, Serbia and Bulgaria may still remain for some time, sharing with Russia a common Byzantine and strong Turkish / Turkic influence ...
        
        RUR
        
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        31 May 2023 23: 18
        
        Eurasianism is the central ideology of Russia,
        this is the Russian understanding of Slavism, maybe it will take root in Bulgaria and Serbia, but this is also doubtful, the matter will be limited only to the Russian Federation, maybe Central Asia will also join
        
        belonged to the Russian people.
        
        you read to the end, and do not dodge - it was Klyuchevsky who wrote, not me - the link is given above
        
        Bakht
        
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        31 May 2023 23: 38
        
        While I see that you dodge.
        I gave your exact words. There were no links. Initially, you wrote that Russia is a "mix" of Finno-Ugric tribes. Now you have changed your shoes and write that the Chud was part of the Russian people. But Klyuchevsky says something completely different. That the Slavs, having come to the north, assimilated the Chud. And Chud became part of the Russian people. Once again milking the dull ones. Chud is the collective name of the Finno-Ugric peoples who lived in the northeast of Kievan Rus. The Slavs, having come to these lands, assimilated these tribes. What is wrong?
        
        Eurasianism is NOT the central ideology of Russia. No need to fantasize. Sometimes Eurasianism was a priority, but for the most part, the history of Russia is connected not with Asia, but with Europe. Poor Pyotr Alekseevich did not even know what Eurasianism was. And pulled Russia to Europe literally by the beards. By the way, it's completely wrong. Under Alexei Mikhailovich, European influence in Moscow was much stronger.
        
        Yes, I forgot about another unique passage of yours.
        
        in Russia, even the nobility became fully literate only at the end of the 18th century - the beginning of the 19th century
        
        Poor Russian illiterate officers in the Seven Years' War smashed the Great Frederick. And where did you get such a deep knowledge of Russian history?
        
        RUR
        
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        1 June 2023 01: 22
        
        Eurasianism is NOT the central ideology of Russia. No need to fantasize. Sometimes Eurasianism was a priority, but for the most part, the history of Russia is connected not with Asia, but with Europe.
        
        Of course, of course, that is precisely why in Russia there was no feudalism, renaissance, reformation, no rudiments of democracy, i.e. European social and historical processes, but there was and is a collectivist society of the eastern type with an Asian mode of production ... Yes, and so everything is clear that back in the USSR they believed that a Soviet person is a European
        
        Bakht
        
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        1 June 2023 06: 48
        
        We discussed this not too long ago. You do not know the history of Russia.
        There was feudalism in Rus', there were attempts at reformation (by the way, it was the reformation that was the evil that changed the Christian foundations), there was democracy. And even earlier than in Europe.
        European social and historical processes are not always good. This should not be forgotten. As Herzen wrote (no need to be surprised)
        
        When will Russia slam this rotten Europe.
        
        I have already written about the "Asian mode of production". This is an artificial term that has been practically rejected by all famous economists.
        
        Soviet people are not Europeans. You don't have to choose only what you like. There have always been different opinions
        
        Oh, the old world! Until you perish,
        While you languish with sweet flour,
        Stop, wise as Oedipus,
        Before the Sphinx with an ancient mystery!
        
        Russia - Sphinx. Rejoicing and mourning
        And bleeding black blood,
        She looks, looks, looks at you.
        With hate and with love!
        
        You are formidable in words - try it in practice!
        Or the old hero, deceased on his bed,
        Unable to screw up your Izmail bayonet?
        Is the Russian tsar already powerless to speak?
        Or should we argue with Europe new?
        Il Russian weaned from victories?
        
        Nelton
        
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        1 June 2023 09: 17
        
        Quote: RUR
        no beginnings of democracy
        
        The clairvoyant sir again sees only what is absurd for him to see.
        Everything was. There was also a city veche and zemstvo cathedrals.
        On one of which elected Romanovs.
        There remained city and zemstvo self-government and city dumas.
        
        and with the "Asian mode of production" you honestly point to the sky every time.
        
        flat areas required irrigation irrigation, which in turn assumed a strong central authority capable of organizing collective agricultural work
        
        What does this have to do with it, and let's say quitrent-corvee duties?
        
        Not to mention the nomadic Turks, free armed warriors?
        What is characteristic - horsemen, and the "horseman" in Rome or the "cavalier" (cavalryman, chevalier, chevalier) in Europe is always a sign of a very high status.
        And this is the high status that the horse warriors of the steppe had.
        
        RUR
        
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        1 June 2023 14: 05
        
        Nelson, you attribute Novgorod to yourself - according to linguistics, the Novgorod language is West Slavic, at best in the Russian Federation they say that it is, like, some kind of relic East Slavic, very different from the rest of the Eastern languages, but why is it one of the main centers and a significant principality, all of a sudden,
        some kind of isolated ... In Kyiv, by the way, there are also spellings of the names of the first princes with nasal vowels, which, I think, in East Slavic
        never was. since the eastern, like, Slavs are Antes, i.e. a tribal union of different tribes, for example, Slavs, Germanic Gepids, Dacians, etc., settled in the territory of southern Ukraine, in the north Uerains mixed with Poles / Lekhits, and in Belarus - a mixture of Polish and Baltic tribes, later from these territories moved north - to the territory of the Russian Federation , where a modern Finno-Mordovian mix was formed with people from Ukraine and Belarus +
        West Slavic Novgorod, later a Turkic element was added
        
        Nelton
        
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        1 June 2023 15: 04
        
        Quote: RUR
        you attribute to yourself Novgorod
        
        Novgorod is part of both Rus' and the Russian Federation.
        And besides Novgorod, there were veche in other cities.
        Suzdal, Rostov, Vladimir - in the pre-Mongolian period, the veche actively influenced politics.
        
        RUR
        
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        1 June 2023 16: 42
        
        and with the "Asian mode of production" you honestly point to the sky every time.
        
        flat areas required irrigation irrigation, which in turn assumed a strong central authority capable of organizing collective agricultural work
        
        What does this have to do with it, and let's say quitrent-corvee duties?
        
        You surprise me, Nelson, the main thing in the Asian mode of production is the absence of private property, and the rest of the signs are secondary - they may or may not be, but in the case of Russia everything is there -
        the community is not collective work for you? Ask when it collapsed in Russia ... By the way, this is considered the next stage in the development of society after the primitive communal system. In Ukraine and Belarus, it disintegrated long before the 20th century.
        This is about one people. Isn't Russian serfdom an attribute of the central government? Irrigation is the construction of St. Petersburg, the White Sea canals, etc., etc. In Russia - a classic, a classic definition, but you don’t see ...
        
        RUR
        
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        1 June 2023 14: 32
        
        You look at the date of formation of Moscow University. It was founded in 1755. the first years of graduation 90-100 people. 1808 - 135 people. It was the same with secondary education. Before Peter there was practically no secular education
        Taki passed the 18th century, by the end of which the nobles became the first estate in Russia to be fully educated
      3. RUR
        
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        31 May 2023 23: 06
        
        More important is your thesis that Russia has lost its status as a "second military force."
        
        but I think, on the contrary, that, losing the status of a Slavic country, now in Ukraine its - Russia - activity - a monkey's work, by the way, about this, about the loss of status, some people who are concerned write about it in Russia, however, very rarely, since the majority, like and you, do not understand the real meaning of this process
        
        Bakht
        
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        31 May 2023 23: 16
        
        That is, do you think that Russia is losing its "status of a Slavic country"? Why such an opinion?
        And what is the "real significance of this process"?
        
        RUR
        
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        1 June 2023 00: 32
        
        I wrote - monkey labor .. If in the Russian Federation there are more than 100 years of tradition of studying and influencing the Chud and the Tatar Horde on the formation of Muscovy / Russia, then what do you expect from others - ignoring this very, very noticeable phenomenon? Recognition of this and their own for other peoples, too? And think / think for yourself, if it turns out to be beyond your capabilities, then of course I will prompt later
        
        Bakht
        
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        1 June 2023 13: 34
        
        You will not be able to suggest anything, for the simple reason that you are using false initial data. And the stereotypes are hammered into your brain forever
      4. Raymond
        
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        3 June 2023 10: 18
        
        And since there are no pure peoples anywhere... Do you conclude that it is necessary to maintain hypothetical purity by fighting to the death in order to protect your identity?
Alexander Popov

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31 May 2023 16: 08

The guarantor will not go anywhere.
goncharov.62

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31 May 2023 16: 54

The SVO should have started in 2014. Or wait for the Ukrainians to attack Donetsk in March, and then beat them. If there is anything, of course. And about the ICC - let them just twitch!

The whole world is in ruin!

Putin is ours, no matter how good or not very good he may seem to everyone, and it's up to us to judge, therefore, it's none of your pig's business. Look out for the Bidon ...
1. Raymond
  
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  3 June 2023 10: 26
  
  You are right.
  
  Except that it's not really clear and demonstrated that the people are in control of the "autocratic" antics of a popularly elected president.
Vox Populi

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31 May 2023 17: 16

Meanwhile, Russia has increased its chances of winning the conflict with Ukraine, as the Russian leader drew "red lines" that limit the interaction between NATO and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Because of this, Washington is deprived of the opportunity to fully equip Kyiv with weapons. This idea was expressed by the American economist Peter Morici.
prior

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31 May 2023 17: 51

If you do not answer for your words, if you yourself violate your own "red lines", is it any wonder that your own status in the world is declining.