Did the USSR fight the collective West in World War II?

A few days ago on the "Reporter" came out publication, in which the idea was expressed that during the Second World War, the communist USSR fought against the capitalist collective West in the person of the Third Reich. But in the comments, this statement was questioned in a very boorish form with reference to the fact that the anti-Hitler coalition also included France, Great Britain and the United States. Where is the truth hidden?

What is the collective West?

It is necessary to deal with this issue, since after the Second World War, the Third World War actually began, "tank" and "fighter coalitions" are being formed, and the main characters are still the same. The history of TMV will be written by its winners. First you need to understand the terminology. And what is this "collective West"?

The problem is that there is no generally accepted definition and everyone is free to put their own, convenient meaning into this phrase. So, for example, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in March 2022 gave the following wording:

We see the reaction of the collective West, which organized unprecedented pressure from the United States and its satellites. Now, I think, this is how the collective West can be characterized – the US and its satellites.

However, there are other approaches, according to which the collective West is a kind of informal club of the countries of Western Europe and the United States of America, which have a similar political position on key issues and historically acting as geopolitical opponents of Russia. At the same time, it is quite obvious that there is no real unity in this serpentine tangle, each of these “developed countries” cares, first of all, about its well-being. They defend their national interests by all available means, openly and secretly.

With this in mind, let's take a closer look at both belligerents of World War II.

Matters of bygone days?

The main "bad guys" of World War II are, of course, Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and militaristic Japan, or the "axis" countries. However, this is far from an exhaustive list of Berlin's allies in the Nazi coalition.

On November 20, 1940, Hungary joined the Axis Alliance. Her motives are clear: in 1938, Budapest received part of the territory of Czechoslovakia, in 1940 - the approval of Berlin and Rome for the annexation of Northern Transylvania from Romania. Besides, economic cooperation with the growing strength of the Third Reich gave Hungary a lot of preferences.

On November 23, 1940, Romania joined the Axis countries, which hoped, with the support of Germany and Italy, to return Northern Transylvania and the territories ceded to the USSR in June 1940, as well as to eliminate the communist threat from the eastern neighbor.

On November 24, 1940, Slovakia, which was in complete economic and political dependence on Germany, joined the Nazi coalition.

On March 25, 1941, Yugoslavia joined the alliance, to which Berlin promised to remain neutral in the war with Greece and not demand transit for the Axis troops. Two days later, the Yugoslav army carried out a coup d'état, overthrowing the signatory government. On April 6, Nazi Germany attacked Yugoslavia, later joined by Italy and Hungary. The country was defeated, occupied and dismembered by the victors. However, Yugoslavia did not actually belong to the “axis”. In the occupied Yugoslav territories, a puppet "Independent State of Croatia" was created, which on June 15, 1941 became part of the Nazi coalition.

On June 26, 1941, neighboring Finland entered the war of the USSR as an "allied side" of Nazi Germany. Its goal was to regain the territories lost during the recently concluded Winter War. Formally, Finland was not part of the Nazi coalition, did not enter into official alliances with the Third Reich, but the Finnish troops fought together with the Germans. Exactly 50% of the responsibility for the genocide of the inhabitants of besieged Leningrad lies with Finland, which closed its encirclement from the north. Helsinki also provided its territory for transit to the Wehrmacht.

Is the Hitlerite coalition drawn to the "collective West" or not? Still few countries in it? Then let's add to them the European states that were occupied and annexed by the Third Reich and participated in the war against the USSR indirectly: Austria, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg, France, parts of the former Yugoslavia, the Baltic states, etc.

In particular, after the Czech Republic became the "Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia", a whole shaft of military orders for the needs of the Third Reich hit its factories. A lot is known about the atrocities of the Romanian, Hungarian and Finnish allies against the Soviet military. Formally, Spain, which did not support Germany, sent the 250th division of Spanish volunteers, the "blue division", to the Eastern Front. So it turns out that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought against the entire United Europe, the heir of which is the modern NATO bloc.

And what about our allies in the anti-Hitler coalition?


The anti-Hitler coalition arose in 1939, initially it included the Anglo-Polish Alliance and the Franco-Polish Alliance. On June 22, 1941, the USSR joined it, after the Japanese attack on the United States on December 7, 1941, the United States and China. As the scale of hostilities developed, the composition continuously expanded, and by the end of the war, when the defeat of the Third Reich was a foregone conclusion, war was declared on it by the former allies along the "axis" - Bulgaria, Hungary, Italy, Romania and Finland that joined them. A very instructive story.

But let us return to those with whom the opposition to Hitler began, to those without whom it seems inappropriate to talk about the "collective West". There is a beautiful legend about how the German Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel, signing the German Surrender Act, looked towards the French representative and asked Marshal Zhukov:

Did they also defeat us?

Sarcasm is understandable. Great France held out against the Third Reich for 42 days, after which it capitulated and was divided into two parts. Northern France was occupied by the Germans, and power in southern France passed to the puppet collaborationist Vichy regime, which existed from July 10, 1940 to April 22, 1945. Formally, the Vichy regime adhered to neutrality, but in reality pursued a pro-German and pro-Nazi policy. The SS volunteer division "Charlemagne" was created, which, under its French banners, fought against the USSR on the Eastern Front, and then defended Berlin to the last in 1945 and surrendered only to the Americans.

Yes, there was a resistance movement in France, one of the heroes of which is General de Gaulle, who later became the head of state. His services to his country include the fact that he prevented the attempt of London and Washington to install a new puppet government, achieved inclusion in the number of victorious countries when signing the Act of Surrender of Germany, and even secured the French zone of occupation. However, how seriously can France be taken to the anti-Hitler coalition, if de facto throughout the Second World War it was as an assistant and reliable and almost peaceful rear of the Third Reich?

With the US and the UK it is still more difficult. Yes, London went through a war with the "axis", as they say, from start to finish, but who is to blame for this?

We must start with the fact that the entire blame for the emergence of the figure of Hitler and the rapid transformation of Germany into a military superpower lies with the leading countries of Western Europe, which were conniving, allowing the Third Reich to continuously strengthen and become impudent. There was then a very strong pro-German party in the UK, which seriously considered the possibility of an alliance with Germany against the "communist threat". If Comrade Stalin had started a special operation against the Third Reich as a preventive first, it is extremely likely that the British would have fought against the USSR together with the Germans. There is nothing surprising in such a possible alliance.

It should be borne in mind that Adolf Hitler spied and adopted his racist ideas from the British, after “creatively” developing them. Joseph Rudyard Kipling with his "white man's burden" will not let you lie. In general, the Germans treated the islanders with great respect, not even close to admitting what they did to the Soviet people. For London, Moscow in World War II was a purely situational ally, which was needed to pull the main forces of the Wehrmacht to the Eastern Front.

The true attitude of the British and American "allies" towards the USSR can be judged by the plans for Operation Unthinkable, developed by order of Prime Minister Winston Churchill:

The destruction of Germany's military power entailed a fundamental change in the relationship between communist Russia and Western democracies. They lost their common enemy, the war against which was almost the only link that tied their alliance. From now on, Russian imperialism and communist doctrine did not see and did not set a limit to their advancement and striving for final domination.

It was assumed that the American-British allies, with the assistance of 10-12 recruited German divisions, would jointly attack Soviet troops in Europe. Judging by the fact that in June 1945 Marshal Zhukov promptly regrouped troops and began to strengthen the defense, our intelligence received secret information about the plans of London and Washington from the Cambridge Five.

And finally, a few words must be said about the United States, which, as is known from Hollywood films, defeated Hitler. How the American elites saw their attitude towards the Second World War can be judged by the statement of the Senator and future US President Harry Truman, made on June 23, 1941, to the correspondent of the most popular New York Times:
If we see that Germany is winning, then we should help Russia, and if Russia is winning, then we should help Germany, and thus let them kill as many as possible!

In honor of this man, the US Navy aircraft carrier is named, carrying democracy around the world. Liberally gifted fellow citizens constantly urge us to thank the Americans for Lend-Lease, without which the grandfathers and great-grandfathers supposedly could not have defeated the Third Reich. Thank you! But the fact that in parallel "Lend-Lease" was carried out in the interests of Nazi Germany, it is somehow not convenient for them to say.

During the Nuremberg trials, the former president of the Reichsbank, Hjalmar Schacht, in a conversation with an American lawyer, stated verbatim the following:

If you want to indict the industrialists who helped rearm Germany, then you must indict yourself. You will be obliged to indict the Americans.

All right. In the development of the Hitler project on the eve of the Second World War, simply colossal Western financial resources were invested, in confirmation of which last year the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation posted in the public domain excerpts from intelligence material of the 5th department of the Main Directorate of State Security of the NKVD of the USSR "on the participation of statesmen of the USA and Great Britain in financial transactions in favor of Nazi Germany":

All American newspapers carried a report about a conversation between Sir Robert Hudson and the German economic adviser Wolhat on the subject of a five-million-dollar loan from England to Germany.

At the same time, a message also flashed in the newspapers that, since England alone would not be able to raise such a loan, the help of the local financial dealers of Wall Street was expected.

Robert Hudson was the then British Foreign Trade Secretary. 5 billion is a lot even today, but in those days! According to some estimates, this amount must be multiplied by 35-45 to convert to modern money. Before World War II, Ford invested $17,5 million in German industry, Standard Oil of New Jersey (now Exxon) $120 million, General Motors $35 million, ITT $30 million. These are only the largest American corporations. The German factories of Opel were wholly owned by General Motors, where trucks, armored cars and armored personnel carriers for the Wehrmacht and half of the engines for the Junkers-88 bombers were produced in Germany. Jet engines for Messerschmitt-262 were created in the German branch of General Motors. Prat & Whitney licensed the BMW Hornet engine to Germany, which powered the Ju-52/3 until the very end of the war. The fact that Luftwaffe planes flew on American fuel is probably not known only to the lazy.

And so, yes, if you believe the official interpretation of the history of World War II, then, of course, it was the USA, Great Britain and France that defeated the Third Reich, while the USSR there, on the Eastern Front, was digging somewhere and did not fight with any "collective West". Yes.
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  1. Yarik83 Offline Yarik83
    Yarik83 (J. Yarmosh 8-bit Music) 31 May 2023 14: 12
    Bravo, author. And there aren't even any comments. Because they are scratching their turnips now, they say why then the inscriptions are everywhere in English and taught us western (enemy) culture for 30 years through films, music, programs and books.
    I won't even tell you why. Let them figure it out. The new war, or rather, the continuation of the old and eternal war, should make people think. Let them figure out what the Cold War is and who lost in it. And is it somehow connected with the collapse of the USSR and whether the USSR officially collapsed in fact.
    1. tkot973 Offline tkot973
      tkot973 (Konstantin) 2 June 2023 12: 04
      But you will have comments.
      Your response has me a little puzzled. What does the collapse of the USSR and "inscriptions in English" have to do with it? The author generally writes about other things.
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  2. hellman anton Offline hellman anton
    hellman anton (hellman anton) 31 May 2023 14: 48
    An incomprehensible article with attempts to pull an owl on the globe, like the United States and Britain sponsored Germany during World War II (WWII for us).
    Bang, bang, bang Russia is driving the entire periodic table to NATO countries, so for another 20 years it has been supplying ultra-cheap resources, thereby improving the economies of NATO countries. Well, 300 billion dollars were donated by the US and the EU.

    Attempts and miserable podug, not an article. After all, business is the main thing, and for some, money is all that is needed from life (grain deal says hello)
    As they say

    Russia reliable supplier

    (Whose words are these.....hmm...)
    So the United States was a reliable supplier then. Right?
    1. Yarik83 Offline Yarik83
      Yarik83 (J. Yarmosh 8-bit Music) 31 May 2023 15: 22
      Russia has been led by the United States for 30 years. Through pro-Western elites. But among the elites there are those for whom the merits of their ancestors and their shed blood for our lands are not empty deeds. Among the elites, there is now a struggle for the Fatherland or for continuing to serve the United States. Putin is on the side of the Fatherland, if anything. Oligarchs-serve the United States. That's why they have money. If anything, the exchange of prisoners that Abramovich carried out has nothing to do with Putin. Power is in the hands of the oligarchs. All TV serves USA.
      I apologize for breaking your established patterns.
    2. tkot973 Offline tkot973
      tkot973 (Konstantin) 2 June 2023 11: 46
      Anton, you made a mistake in spelling the famous Russian word "attempts". Instead of "t" you typed "d".
      Given that the letters "d" and "t" are located on the keyboard in completely different places, a typo is excluded, both when typing with the one-finger method and blindly.
      Russian is not your native language.
      And what native???
  3. skeptic Offline skeptic
    skeptic 31 May 2023 15: 43
    If Comrade Stalin had started a special operation against the Third Reich as a preventive first, it is extremely likely that the British would have fought against the USSR together with the Germans. There is nothing surprising in such a possible alliance.

    This is exactly what happened on February 24.02.22, XNUMX. It is not known who pushed Putin to the NWO, but no conclusions were drawn from the Second World War.
    The situation would be completely different if the NWO began, after the invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, into the Donbass. Then, Russia, faithful to the "Minsk agreements", would enter as a GUARANTOR of a ceasefire. And the whole world would accept the legitimacy of the introduction of troops, as during the Georgian invasion. And the United States would have wiped off ... WOULD.
    1. Victor Pater Offline Victor Pater
      Victor Pater (Nikolai) 31 May 2023 16: 41
      Shortly before the start of the Great Patriotic War, the US leadership, through its ambassador in Moscow, Shteingardt, brought the following to Stalin: the US recognizes as the aggressor in a future conflict the one who starts hostilities and will help the victim of aggression. If we take into account that the USA was the most powerful country in industrial terms, then it was not necessary to neglect the above mentioned ....
    2. RUR Offline RUR
      RUR 1 June 2023 22: 15
      In fact, both, like, "brilliant" plans of both the USSR and the NMD of the Russian Federation are doubtful; in the Stalinist USSR, the Pact with the Protocol was considered as a great friendship with Germany, and not as an attempt to delay the war


      On November 30, 1939, Comrade Stalin, answering a question from a correspondent of the newspaper Pravda about a report by the French news agency Gavas, said the following:

      “This message from the Havas agency, like many of his other messages, is a lie. Of course, I cannot know in which particular cafe-shantana this lie was fabricated. But no matter how the gentlemen of the Havas agency lie, they cannot deny that:

      a) not Germany attacked France and England, but France and England attacked Germany, taking responsibility for the current war;

      b) after the opening of hostilities, Germany turned to France and England with peace proposals, and the Soviet Union openly supported Germany's peace proposals, because it believed and continues to believe that a speedy end to the war would fundamentally ease the situation of all countries and peoples;

      c) the ruling circles of England and France grossly rejected both the peace proposals of Germany and the attempts of the Soviet Union to achieve an early end to the war.

      Looks like a stupid attempt to remove responsibility from Germany or a complete fawning over her, the plans of the mustachioed genius of all times ended in failure, I think that the USSR suffered unacceptable damage ... at least in people, and I had to ask for help and be friends with the "aggressors" - " the genius" of the Georgian is obvious - Akela missed

      NWO is even worse thought out, if the Russian Federation, as, for example, Medvedev hints or as Putin is interpreted, decides to move further west, then what can be expected if we draw analogies regarding damage and losses? And it must be taken into account that neither the bombing of Germany (the USSR fought only with part of the German army, and the industry of the Reich worked at 1/3 of its capacity due to these bombings), nor lend-lease will now
  4. Victor Pater Offline Victor Pater
    Victor Pater (Nikolai) 31 May 2023 16: 24
    In fact, we need to figure out who wanted what and from afar, because the Second World War is essentially a continuation of the First World War with an intermission of 20 years. What were the intended goals?

    Politics is an extension of the economy

    and in the economy there was the following picture: the Russian Empire developed at the highest rate - 5,72%, then the USA - 5,22%, after Germany - 4,5%, England and France even less.

    If we extrapolate this situation, it is clear that Russia will eventually become the most powerful country in Europe (Mendeleev's forecast), and perhaps in the world, which the leaders of the Western countries clearly did not like. Therefore, the top of England unleashed the First World War, the main goal of which was to weaken Germany and the collapse of the Russian Empire with its division into zones of influence, for which the February Revolution was organized and did not interfere with the October Revolution (the more Russians kill the Russians, the closer and easier the target).

    However, it was smooth on paper, but in reality the Bolsheviks took power relatively easily and strengthened themselves in it, but the West could not seriously oppose the Bolsheviks, because due to the heavy casualties, very strong war fatigue accumulated there (France suffered the most losses in percentage terms). ). I had to leave the goal with Russia for "later", and then the USSR began to rapidly industrialize, which over time reduced the chances of achieving the goal. Therefore, Hitler was brought to power in Germany, who even earlier proclaimed: the future of Germany is in the east. And then the BIG game began.

    Analysts usually look at political maps. and if you look at the economic? The industrial heart of Germany is the Ruhr, and it is on the border with France; therefore, if Hitler is set against the USSR, then his troops will go far to the east, suffer significant losses there; mobilized fresh Anglo-French troops cross the border with Germany, without great losses capture the Ruhr and a significant part of Germany, the latter, as a result, checkmate in 2 moves; the allies weaken Germany in exchange for the captured part of the USSR handed over to them.

    But "it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines, and walk along them ..."; Hitler understood this (and Stalin too), and in order to prevent a war on 2 fronts, the Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty was concluded, after which Hitler dealt with France, and, willy-nilly, England had to make an alliance with the Bolsheviks she hated, in the hope that Hitler will inflict such damage on the USSR from which it cannot quickly recover, and the goal of England will still be achieved. "Worse than war can only be friendship with him" (Aleksey Vandam, general of the Russian Empire and geopolitician), which we saw in the 90s ...
    1. RUR Offline RUR
      RUR 1 June 2023 21: 39
      Quote from Victor Pater
      and in the economy there was the following picture: the Russian Empire developed at the highest rate - 5,72%,

      80% of the industry of the Republic of Ingushetia is foreign capital - France, Britain,
      Belgium, a bit of Germany - in fact, they developed 5,72% in the Republic of Ingushetia
  5. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 31 May 2023 17: 53
    Good article. But you won’t get around everything in this article. In 1991, Russia was hit no less than the Nazis. And it is very difficult to write when the basis of fascism is boundless capitalism and vanity for nationality. That's right, the West has nurtured fascism. But what conclusions did we draw by plunging into oligarchic capitalism? Fascism is not fascism, but chauvinism nationalism still threatens any country.
  6. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 31 May 2023 17: 55
    If you already delve into history, then you must not forget: Germany bombed ... fraternal England even before the attack before the USSR. Hess and flew to the Aryans in search of peace!
    The Western countries allowed Hitler to rise in order to destroy the communist USSR with his hands. But when it turned out that they raised their own gravedigger, they were forced to enter into an alliance with Stalin.
    But today, for what reasons are they not satisfied with ... oligarchic Russia?
    From the Author:

    The history of TMV will be written by its winners.

    Will the planet Earth withstand ... TMV?
  7. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 31 May 2023 22: 40
    Klim Zhukov has a good video explaining why appeals to the "collective West" are just attempts to justify their failures and throw it on their neighbors ...

    Old Man, too, did not recognize Crimea, did not recognize anything ....
    Logically, he, and Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and China (supporting sanctions and benefiting from the resale of resources) are all the "collective West". The Kremlin ends - and right behind the wall it is collective ... (since Chubais, Prokhorov, and Abramovich were dumped there ...)
  8. In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 1 June 2023 08: 49
    It's like that. The states profited well from the war, the rest lost a lot. It's like a chessboard, sometimes football, where there seem to be rules, and a bunch of players, and luck, and valor, and "agreements". And money, big money. Everything is simpler - there are interests. Here they have an interest to break up Russia and use it, because we have resources. It's been so many centuries! Well, in Russia, on the contrary, it’s true, it’s already enough to conquer, it would be better to deal with your own and bring it to mind. And vyrus "reforge", Ukrainian. Yes, we understand, but the top is “embedding” everything, not realizing that it will be her who will be robbed. So in the Second World War - the redistribution of assets, as in the First World War, and in the Third, the last. Capitalists fight and ordinary people die. There is also an ideological component here - socialism, which has proven its strength against capitalism. And now it is not in Russia.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 1 June 2023 13: 08
      to reforge Ukrainian vyrus? laughing what kind of new method was found with a guarantee that Russia has not tried for 4 centuries? leopard change his spots.
  9. RUR Offline RUR
    RUR 1 June 2023 19: 57
    About the Molotov Pact, the author is very modest - he doesn’t write anything ... he’s embarrassed ... and rightly so - they lied for 50 years that IT WAS NOT, WAS NOT, WAS NOT, and WAS NOT !!! And this was the trigger of WWII - the USSR made it possible for Germany to attack Poland, since it would never have dared to attack the union of 3 states (Franco-Polish alliance Franco-Polish alliance)
    In the USSR they lied for a long time (and they continue in the Russian Federation) that the allies did not provide assistance, but: ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_offensive_operation

    The Saar Offensive is a ground offensive operation of the French ground forces in the Saar, organized at the beginning of World War II and lasting from September 7 to 16, 1939. The purpose of the operation was to divert the German forces and provide indirect assistance to the Polish Army, which at that time unsuccessfully tried to provide organized resistance to the German troops.
    However, despite the superiority in the number of troops and armored vehicles, the French troops suffered heavy losses and hastily retreated. This operation is the only armed clash between the allies of Poland and the German army before the start of the so-called

    that the only one is also not true: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War

    A further assault was planned for 20 September, but on 17 September, following the USSR's invasion of Poland, the assault was called off. In the air, the RAF launched a bombing raid against Wilhelmshaven on the 4th of September, although this proved costly.

    those. September 4 RAF - British aviation - bombarded Wilhelmhven. On September 20, a second offensive was planned, but on September 17, the USSR hurried to the aid of Germany, attacking Poland from the rear ... It was enough for the USSR to sit and not rock the boat, or to help the anti-Hitler coalition .. it’s impossible to make an innocent victim from the USSR
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  10. RUR Offline RUR
    RUR 1 June 2023 20: 21
    And by the way, the author confuses the post-war concept of the WEST, with the then realities - then democracies were considered the West: the USA, Britain, France with elections, parliament, etc., Poland after Pilsudski was such
    and the allies of the Reich are dictatorial or authoritarian regimes, Hitler himself made a clear distinction here, not classifying the Reich as a West, so Germany's allies are European countries but not the West