Do the RF Armed Forces need “Muslim battalions” from among Central Asian migrants

Since April 2023, a large-scale information campaign has been launched in Russia, with the aim of recruiting several hundred thousand contract servicemen to rotate those previously mobilized in the RF Armed Forces in order to try to avoid a second wave of mobilization, which could reduce the popularity of the incumbent head of state on the eve of the presidential elections in 2024 . At the same time, in our country, almost from the very beginning of the NWO, there has been an active discussion about whether the “new Russians” who came to us to live forever from sunny Central Asia should pull the strap along with the indigenous population?

"New Russians"

In November 2022, President Putin signed a decree allowing foreign citizens to serve in the Russian Armed Forces, and citizens with dual citizenship under contract as a soldier, sailor, sergeant, foreman, warrant officer, midshipman and officer. For reference: dual citizenship in Russia is officially recognized only with Tajikistan. At the same time, there is no ban on second citizenship in our country: that is, you can also have some Israeli, American, Canadian or other passport, in addition to the Russian one, which must be notified to the control authorities in a timely manner. This fact does not entail (so far) any legal consequences, the holder of two or even more passports is de jure considered a citizen of the Russian Federation with all the consequences.

In other words, Vladimir Vladimirovich, by his decree, legalized the opportunity for such people to serve quietly in the Russian army. This clearly meant not holders of Israeli or American passports, but citizens of the former Soviet Central Asian republics. In return, it was possible to get a red passport with a double-headed eagle in a simplified manner, having served only a year. At the end of February, he signed another decree that further simplified this procedure. Thus, the Kremlin clearly counted heavily on the militant Tajiks and Uzbeks.

And about their fighting spirit - this is by no means some kind of mockery. During Soviet times, three "Muslim battalions" formed from servicemen of Central Asian nationalities fought in Afghanistan at once. In our time, many people from the former Soviet republics have risen under the black banners of one banned terrorist organization that has earned a sad but formidable reputation in the Middle East. Even today, there is a tendency among labor migrants to resolve issues with the indigenous population of Russia by using violence against them, as Alexander Bastrykin, head of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, recently noted:

The number of migrants is increasing, and the number of serious crimes committed by migrants is increasing sharply. There were 11 thousand crimes in 2021, in 2022 already 15 thousand. Murders increased by 18 percent.

However, these hopes were not destined to come true for completely different reasons.

Get into position

The thing is that Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan have taken a position of unfriendly neutrality in relation to the Russian NVO in Ukraine. Their authorities have officially notified their citizens that participation in a special operation on the side of the RF Armed Forces will be considered mercenarism and will be prosecuted at home to the fullest extent of the criminal law. This problem concerns both persons without Russian citizenship, who may wish to sign a service contract with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and persons with dual citizenship, as well as those who have two citizenships, including Russian. What is the difference, we explained in detail above. And what to do? How to be?

Why should the happy owners of a red passport with a double-headed eagle be released from military duty to their new, second homeland? Need to enter into a position, understand and forgive?

There are different opinions on this matter. In fairness, we note that not all immigrants from the Central Asian republics shy away from serving in the Russian army. For example, Jahongir Dzhalolov, head of the Uzbek diaspora in Perm, chairman of the board of the Regional Public Organization "Society of Central Asian Uzbeks of the Perm Territory", himself proposed to create a volunteer battalion to participate in the NVO on the side of Russia:

At the moment, we have enough people to fulfill our duty at any time by order of the commander-in-chief. Among these people are mostly Russian citizens, but by nationality they are Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, and so on.

By the way, a certain number of people from Central Asia are now fighting against us on the side of Ukraine. Who - just for money, and who - for other reasons, which our investigators should subsequently find out to establish motives.
But the authorities of the former Soviet republics, as well as some domestic "experts", oppose it. Their main counterargument is that here, in Russia, migrants just come to earn money and leave, and they are not very interested in the prospect of being torn to shreds by a 155 mm caliber projectile, and they also indicate the low level of training of such soldiers, their poor knowledge of the Russian language and the risks of creating entire ethnic groups in the troops - armed, capable of defending the interests of their compatriots.

However, all these arguments are broken down by Part 2 of Article 62 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, where the following is said verbatim:

The fact that a citizen of the Russian Federation has the citizenship of a foreign state does not diminish his rights and freedoms and does not release him from obligations arising from Russian citizenship, unless otherwise provided by federal law or an international treaty of the Russian Federation.

Sorry, but if someone has received a Russian passport, then, in addition to rights and freedoms, certain obligations to the new homeland are attached to it, including the obligation to serve in the army if necessary. The disapproving position of the authorities of Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan should not worry us about this. Only citizens of Tajikistan are in a special position, since dual citizenship is officially regulated. At the beginning of May 2023, State Duma deputy from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Mikhail Matveev came up with a legislative initiative to start conscripting our “new Russians” to the RF Armed Forces:

About my initiative to equalize the military obligations of Russian citizens who do not have another homeland and passports with migrants who have acquired Russian citizenship (I was talking about people from the Central Asian republics, but in fact we are talking about everyone, including Transcaucasia) ... This is about the possibility of mobilization and conscription with distribution among the existing units of the Russian army, preferably no more than 2-3 per platoon, so that their "fellow countrymen" do not suppress military discipline ... And also about active use as a construction battalion, including at the forefront.

Sounds pretty reasonable and fair. There is enough work at the front for everyone. This innovation at the same time will naturally filter out those who want to get a Russian passport for the sake of some social benefits, from those who are sincerely in love with our birch trees and Pushkin's poetry. Noteworthy is the position of a member of the HRC, the chairman of the National Anti-Corruption Committee, Kirill Kabanov, who is annoyed that the “new Russians” still have to be persuaded to serve:

In response to such persuasion, the majority of this category of “new citizens” is not only not going to fulfill their constitutional duty, but does not even plan to register with the military. At the same time, all of them and their large families make the most of all possible social benefits, without investing a penny in the Russian budget in the form of taxes and social payments, get a job and even officially acquire civilian weapons.

By and large, everything is simple: you can limit the receipt of all the above benefits and opportunities for them and their families until they provide a document on military registration. And, moreover, if a citizen, after acquiring citizenship of the Russian Federation, does not fulfill his constitutional duty, then he and his family are automatically deprived of Russian citizenship. Only this way and nothing else. Russian citizenship must be earned, not bought to receive all sorts of social benefits.

In fact. If a migrant just wants to earn money and go home, let him calmly get a patent and work, no one will touch him, and then he leaves for his homeland. If, however, his plans are to obtain Russian citizenship, then there should be no exceptions in the matter of fulfilling military duty in comparison with the indigenous population. And nothing else.
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  1. Paul3390 Online Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 30 May 2023 17: 43
    Another aspect is also interesting - now those who have already served in the RF Armed Forces have been mobilized, which means that, in fact, they have already paid their debts to the Motherland .. Meanwhile, millions of newly-minted citizens roam the country who did not serve in the Russian army at all. But for some reason they are not rowed. Where is the justice here?

    Citizenship is not only rich nishtyaki, but also duties. Here, too, the Russians - for example, they have not unfastened a penny in their lives to the appropriate funds, but they receive free medicine, education, and so on right away. At our expense. And no one asked us if we wanted to pay for them. And at the same time - they are also not required to serve in our army !! A reasonable question arises - are there such types of fellow citizens on feijoa? And - for what, in fact, they have such abundant preferences? And also - why do the indigenous people of our country find themselves in an unequal position with them?
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 31 May 2023 07: 13
      the rabies definitely did not serve in the Russian army, but they were also released from mobilization. apparently they do not risk turning their backs on them.
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  2. Paul3390 Online Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 30 May 2023 18: 12
    Here in ancient policies, the founders of the very concept of citizenship, everything was simple - rights are inseparable from duties. You cannot stand in the phalanx in your equipment - you cannot be a citizen either .. If you do not participate in the life of the policy - you cannot be a citizen. You are not ready to sacrifice your well-being for him in difficult times - you cannot be a citizen.

    Modern concepts are at least strange ..

    1. Citizenship is considered something given from above at birth. Why is this if a potential citizen has not yet proved his right to it?
    2. Citizenship is practically inalienable, even if the citizen is point-blank unwilling to fulfill his civic obligations.
    3. All citizens - have one vote. And a bum, and an academician, and a former gaster, and a hero who defended his homeland. Is it fair? Are their contributions to the common cause equal?

    For some reason, for the possession of weapons or rights, as well as various certificates of qualification - it is necessary to retake periodically. But for citizenship - no .. Somehow strange ..

    Why not introduce clear criteria for citizenship? Those who have not passed will be automatically deprived of citizenship. And - I do not see here a special infringement of the type of human rights. For a non-citizen is simply deprived of the right to elect, be elected, appointed to responsible government posts and - preferences from the state. If you don’t want to give something to the state and people, then you can’t manage them and receive something from them in turn .. And so, otherwise, he is equal to citizens before the law. Live as you want.

    It makes sense to me, doesn't it?
    1. imjarek Offline imjarek
      imjarek (imjarek) 30 May 2023 18: 28
      I gave the state everything it needed. Only, here, something I did not notice myself on the path
      "government of the state". In my opinion, the state is run by "someone" who never gave him anything, but only took, took and took!
    2. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 May 2023 20: 13
      Film "Starship Troopers"
      "Someone asked me once if I knew the difference between a civilian and a citizen."

      The United Civil Federation was formed, where people are divided among themselves into two camps. Citizens - men and women who served voluntary military service, who received a lot of benefits at the same time: the opportunity to engage in politics, have a license to give birth to children, receive free higher education and, most importantly, the right to vote in elections. And also - non-citizens, people deprived of these privileges.

      Quite a stupid version of the structure of society.

      PS In the realities of our time, no national battalions are needed. The Chechens showed themselves well. But in Chechnya there is tight control and no democracy. It is difficult to say what will happen if Kadyrov is not in power. So the Chechen battalions are quite an explosive mixture.
      A few people per platoon is what you need.

      PPS In 1942, General Kozlov complained that there were national divisions at the front. Mekhlis also wrote about the same to Moscow. In May 1942, this turned into a disaster.
  3. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 30 May 2023 18: 16
    None of the migrants is going to fight for Russia. If "above" they don't understand this, our country is in big trouble.
    1. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
      kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 30 May 2023 20: 07
      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      None of the migrants is going to fight for Russia.

      So you have to force it!

      By and large, everything is simple: you can limit the receipt of all the above benefits and opportunities for them and their families until they provide a document on military registration. Moreover, if a citizen after acquiring citizenship of the Russian Federation does not fulfill his constitutional duty, then he and his family are automatically deprived of Russian citizenship. Only this way and nothing else.

      Subscribe! And then they got used to chewing snot about "brotherhood and partnership".
      As for Kazakhstan and its actions to maintain sanctions against Russia, we must remind them that 3 regions are supplied with our water (pipeline) from the lower reaches of the Volga, block it and pindy them.
      It is necessary to remind the "brothers" more often that Russia is not a cash cow.
    2. Paul3390 Online Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 30 May 2023 20: 27
      You just need to grant citizenship AFTER fulfilling your duty to Russia, and not before. Served in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - get a passport. And not vice versa. Then the issue will be resolved automatically.

      And for those who have already found it through the efforts of our authorities, they really have to make a choice. Either the army - or together with the family to their historical homeland. By force - no one drove them here, and receiving citizenship - they had to understand that not only coveted nishtyaks are associated with it.
    3. Alexander from the north (Alexander) 31 May 2023 08: 10
      The country has been in trouble since 91, when oligarchs and corrupt KGB officers got into power.
  4. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 30 May 2023 18: 32
    There should be no highlight. No Buddhist, no Christian, no Jewish or other battalions.
    And as history shows, after two or three generations, everyone becomes Russian.
    Russian culture and language dominating "Frenchize" anyone.
    So live.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 31 May 2023 07: 15
      this has not happened to the Little Russians for 400 years ... they still stand out.
  5. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 30 May 2023 18: 32
    Lack of personnel?
    If the guests, regardless of status, are illegal, they should be in prison, from where they will voluntarily join the Wagner PMC.
    And why does the respected Author specifically focus on Central Asian migrants, but he is not interested in "holders of Israeli or American passports"?
    In the old days, volunteer international brigades fought for a just cause ...
  6. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 30 May 2023 18: 37
    Nobody can imagine the crowds of migrants in Chukotka. And actually why? We need to rebuild the country. And where they work, everything is in order for a long time. They just paint a better picture. Oh, and we will finish playing these games.
  7. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 May 2023 19: 34
    What nonsense.
    Considering that in most countries of the world it is a criminal offense for citizens to serve in the army of a foreign country, etc., then the position of the Central Asian countries is understandable.
    Nafig them other people's problems and criminals to do their own.

    Secondly, the massive importation of dark-skinned people from other republics is designed to fill the wallets of the owners of life .. And suddenly, out of the blue, lose the source of milking and cheap labor? disloyal to the same? (remember the execution of one forcibly shoved?)
    Therefore, all good wishes have been broken against the harsh laws of the market for many years.

    The market has already decided everything. (Not, if there is a big F, then they will start grabbing. It’s not to attract deputies with the oligarchs)
  8. Anatole 46 Offline Anatole 46
    Anatole 46 (Anatoly) 30 May 2023 20: 58
    The fact that citizenship through military service, I think, is fair. And rightly so. PS I would also think about the North Koreans. It slips from time to time, whether they want something, or they are already ready ...
  9. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 30 May 2023 21: 27
    The army should be one, without any national units.
    1. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 30 May 2023 23: 31
      National divisions or not does not play any role - the Motherland is one and the oath is one. In tsarist times, the Cossack troops were also different: the All-Great Army of the Don, Terek, Siberian ... Yes, remember how in 1814 the Kalmyks on camels prancing around Paris! Let there be national battalions if they so desire.
  10. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 30 May 2023 23: 25
    Yes, there is no ridicule, such impulses should be welcomed, of course, with the subsequent granting of citizenship. As for the president, he will not raise his rating for him, he is the president, and not a huckster in the market.
  11. Anyuta Glorious Offline Anyuta Glorious
    Anyuta Glorious (Anna Koval) 30 May 2023 23: 49
    For example, in Uzbekistan there is no such law that would allow dual citizenship. It's punishable. The big difference is that a person is a labor migrant or an emigrant. Yes, everything is correct, if he is a labor migrant, then he does not have and cannot have any obligations, debts other than tax. If a person emigrated to the Russian Federation, but at the same time he already served in the army in the country where he was born, raised and lived, is it fair to force him to serve in the army again? But an emigrant is obliged to register with the military registration and enlistment office for any. Further ... Yes, one cannot compare someone who was born, always lived in the Russian Federation with someone who emigrated 1-5 years ago. Many questions arose for those who were born, grew up, sank nishtyaki in their homeland, and at a difficult moment these native Russians rushed on the run and without looking back from this homeland. Why are we silent about them? And they rushed to the same Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan. So these hundreds of thousands of evaders, relocators will sit out, and then return to their ancestral homeland for nishtyaks? There are no complaints about them and will not be, right? Everything is possible for his, relatives, radical traitors
  12. Serdar Offline Serdar
    Serdar (Mladen Sofrenovic) 31 May 2023 06: 55
    Russia needs Wagner 2.0, that is, to invite all murderers and convicts from all over the world, arm them and release them to the EU. Citizenship is not required, just promise them that they can keep all the loot.
    Destination Berlin!
  13. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
    syndicalist (Dimon) 31 May 2023 07: 21
    The statistics says:
    In the first quarter of 2023, 2.7 million migrants arrived in Russia.
    Azerbaijan: 81000. Of these, 47000 received a residence permit, and 3800 immediately received a Russian passport
    Armenia: 83000. Of these, 37000 received a residence permit, and 9000 received a Russian passport.
    Kazakhstan: 111000. Of these, 49000 received a residence permit, and 7000 a passport.
    Kyrgyzstan: 253000. Of these, 14000 received a residence permit, and 5500 a passport.
    Tajikistan: 703000. Of these, 124000 received a residence permit and 45000 a passport.
    Uzbekistan: 1 million. Of these, 78000 received a residence permit, and 4700 a passport.
    And so on.
    And how many of them are already here? Who is more in Russia now - natives or migrants?
    Does anyone think that this problem will resolve itself? Or does someone think that it will be different than in the famous cartoon, where helpful brothers from the casket began not only to work, but also eat for an infantile jerk?
  14. Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
    Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 31 May 2023 07: 56
    It would be possible to push them forward during assaults. Weapons are not required.
  15. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 31 May 2023 08: 29
    Even today, there is a tendency among labor migrants to resolve issues with the indigenous population of Russia by using violence against them.

    There is a deep misconception about the fighting spirit of the Tajiks. These jackals can only attack the weak in a crowd, when they realize that they will be rebuffed, they stand with lowered eyes. Google the situation about the Tajiks who kicked the children off the football field.
    + In order to be resilient under small arms and artillery fire, you need a lot of motivation and understanding for what you can get injured or lose your life. They are not going to die for someone else's Russia and become crippled, there is simply no such need, they already take everything they need from Russia.
    Therefore, even if such battalions appear, at the first serious battles they will run, substituting neighboring units, or raise their paws to the top and be captured.
    If they beat someone with a crowd in the markets, in schools or the subway, this does not speak of their martial spirit and stamina.
    1. Vladimir R. Offline Vladimir R.
      Vladimir R. (Vladimir Russian) 31 May 2023 15: 22
      The lack of fighting spirit among the Tajiks from the fact that they fought without the Tajik skullcap and robe. Call everyone to the NWO and give everyone a skullcap and a robe.
  16. Owl Offline Owl
    Owl (Philip) 31 May 2023 13: 23
    Arming and bringing into military formations "like citizens" is a crime. Example: in June 1941, two Lithuanian divisions, in the first days of the war, killed the Russian command staff and opened about 50 kilometers of front to the Nazis, Minsk was captured, General Pavlov was shot.
  17. Vladimir R. Offline Vladimir R.
    Vladimir R. (Vladimir Russian) 31 May 2023 15: 20
    ... And, moreover, if a citizen, after acquiring citizenship of the Russian Federation, does not fulfill his constitutional duty, then he and his family are automatically deprived of Russian citizenship. Just like this and nothing else...

    This is correct and honest in relation to the rest of the citizens of Russia.
  18. Clement Offline Clement
    Clement (Clementius) 31 May 2023 22: 03
    It is not necessary to divide the citizens of the Russian Federation into categories, who received by birth, and who acquired. We are all equal! The law on military service is equal for all! Who evades to punish according to the law, no matter how he got citizenship!
    I acquired citizenship, I myself am Korean, I was born in Uzbekistan, after school I came to Moscow, graduated from an institute in Moscow, got married, I have two sons of school age and now I am doing business, paying taxes and being on military registration. I didn’t get on mobilization, apparently because I didn’t serve. But since childhood, I have been actively involved in shooting: I hunted in the mountains with my father, and to this day I am engaged in hunting, I have a hunting license and weapons with all permissions. I can say for sure that from a distance of 500 m I will hit the target without a miss. Back in 2014, while still a citizen of Uzbekistan, he was going to volunteer in the DPR, but his mother fell ill, and the trip had to be postponed. But I ended up on the Peacemaker website, apparently they leaked information about me, and put me on the wanted list in Uzbekistan. Upon arrival in Uzbekistan in 2016, I was invited to the anti-terrorism department and interrogated, wrote an explanatory note and was released until further notice. Realizing that they would not be left behind, he sold an apartment there and moved his sick mother to Moscow. They lived here in rented apartments, in short, like refugees)) Then he married a beautiful Russian girl, worked at a good job, earned good money and opened his own business: design and installation of engineering heating and water supply systems.

    Bought a house, cars and settled down. A couple of months ago, I was again invited to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but already in Moscow. In the Moscow police department, in the department for combating terrorism and extremism, I was a little scared, but they explained to me that a paper had come to me from Uzbekistan, but because I am a citizen of the Russian Federation, I will not be extradited. I wrote an explanatory note and they let me go. I told my wife that I wanted to volunteer, I would have made a smart sniper, but the tears of a woman, children and a sick mother stopped me a little. I am the only breadwinner in the family, if I leave now, I will lose my business and income without the possibility of recovery. After nightly conversations with my wife, we decided that if they call me, I will not hide and leave at the call of the Motherland, and now I am urgently preparing the ground so that the family does not need it until I am gone or will not be!
    My motherland, if you are wrong, I am with you anyway, and if you are right, even more so!
  19. Rhetorical Rita Offline Rhetorical Rita
    Rhetorical Rita (Rhetorical Rita) 1 June 2023 12: 01
    What are they fighting against? Against the infringement of the Russian language in Ukraine? So they themselves hardly know him, if at all (it turns out that officers must know both languages). Against NATO expansion? So all of them would gladly leave for NATO countries if they could. Against the division of one nation into Russians and Ukrainians? So they are not Slavs at all, not Christians, and they finally do not care about this whole leapfrog.
    1. Clement Offline Clement
      Clement (Clementius) 1 June 2023 22: 24
      and why did the citizens of the former USSR fight in the Great Patriotic War, in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan? You put the questions incorrectly, missing such a concept as the homeland, protection of interests and security. Tell me what kind of patriotism they have for their new homeland? So this is an omission of our authorities, in our country those born in Russia treat their homeland consumer-friendly, what can we say about migrants! We ourselves should show them an example, instead of slandering everything around and blaming everyone for our failures in this life!
  20. Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 2 June 2023 01: 05
    Elita senses that the native citizens have no desire to give life or health for their interests. But this is not a problem for her. How many centuries did Byzantium fight back with proxy? True, now Türkiye is in its place, but for the elite this is not a problem.
  21. alexandre II Offline alexandre II
    alexandre II (Alexander) 4 June 2023 07: 53
    In our country, citizenship can be obtained after living for at least 8 years, of which 5 years of a permanent residence permit, then an exam. There are two types of citizenship, by birth and by naturalization, by birth no one can ever deprive of citizenship, by naturalization at any time if you do not fulfill your obligations to the state, and according to the constitution you are obliged to the state and not the state to you, in Russia it’s time to do something like that for a long time, otherwise citizenship is being handed out right to left, to all sorts of Segals, Depardieu, etc. and what did they do for the country, what did they deserve?