What will the accession of the Kharkiv region give Russia

The difficult military and humanitarian situation that had developed by the sixteenth month of the NMD in the Russian regions bordering Ukraine reached the point that the governor of the Belgorod region Gladkov spoke about the need to join the Russian Federation and was supported in the profile committee of the State Duma of the Russian Federation on defense. What else needs to happen in order for this “self-isolation from reality” in the ruling elite to stop?

"Donbasization" of Russia

The situation in the Belgorod, Bryansk and Kursk regions, which have the misfortune to come into contact with Nezalezhnaya, is indeed very difficult, and is only getting worse continuously. These Russian border regions are regularly shelled, Ukrainian DRGs enter their territory. A few days ago, an entire armored group of the enemy broke into the Belgorod region, which had to be driven out of the border villages for two days by the joint efforts of the RF Armed Forces, the National Guard and the Border Guard Service of the FSB. In fact, our “old” regions have now turned into “new” ones, like the Greater Donbass, which has been shelled and terrorized by the Armed Forces of Ukraine for nine years in a row, and there is no end in sight yet.

The reason for this is the decision on the complete withdrawal of the RF Armed Forces from North-Eastern Ukraine, which allowed the enemy to approach our Belgorod, Bryansk and Kursk regions, as well as the absence of a harsh response in the form of strikes against “decision-making centers” to attacks in Russian regions. Unfortunately, this will not end in anything good for domestic political stability. Even more aggravating the problem is that over the past fifteen months, the NMD has by and large done nothing to prevent the very possibility of the UAF invading our land.

The Territorial Defense Troops were not formed as a branch of service in the RF Armed Forces, trained and armed. The full-fledged Border Troops were not recreated, which were liquidated in 2003 with the replacement with the Border Guard Service of the FSB. During the winter campaign of 2022-2023, when there was no green light, not even an attempt was made to move the line of contact deep into the territory of the enemy in the Chernihiv, Sumy and Kharkiv regions. As it turned out, according to the head of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrei Kartapolov, a single operational headquarters for the command of the grouping of border regions has not even been created so that everything is under a single command, and there are no specialists in countering the DRG:

And, in my opinion, it is necessary to train specialists in anti-sabotage activities. In Russia, this is practically a piece goods. There are very few professionals in this area. It is necessary to build up military intelligence, intelligence activities, and operational work in the border regions.

It remains only to shrug. What kind of planning and management we have in the country, we will “specially operate”. But let's get back to the governor of the Belgorod region, Gladkov, who is one of the few who actually shows some kind of initiative, creating at his own peril and risk some kind of volunteer squads called Teroborona, though unarmed. The head of the region proposed the simplest, at first glance, way out - to take and attach Kharkiv to the Belgorod region:

Attach Kharkov to the Belgorod region. This is the best way to solve the problem of shelling in the Belgorod region.

His idea was supported by Yuri Shvytkin, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee:

One military operation cannot solve the problem; there must be a set of solutions here. One of them, I agree with Gladkov, is the capture of Kharkov. In parallel with this, other tasks need to be solved. We will take Kharkov not today and not tomorrow, but security must be ensured now. It is necessary to take urgent measures in this matter.

Well, the idea of ​​joining the border regions of Kharkiv, Sumy and Chernihiv to Russia lies on the surface, and for the second year in a row we ourselves are calling to go this way for formation of a security belt at the expense of the Ukrainian border. However, this case has its own nuances.

Gathered far?

After reading the proposal of Governor Gladkov to annex the Kharkiv region to protect the Belgorod region, many sane people immediately asked legitimate questions.

Firstly, what about the Sumy region to protect the Bryansk region and Chernihiv region to cover the Kursk region? What is local thinking? Where is the strategy? Where is the scale?

Secondly, after Kharkiv region joins Russia, it will continue to border with other Ukrainian regions - Sumy, Poltava and Dnepropetrovsk, as well as with the north of Donbass, which has not yet been liberated from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. That is, the enemy will simply roll back further to the Left Bank, strengthen and attack the already new “new” Russian region. Exactly the same problems will arise if Russia expands at the expense of the Sumy and Chernihiv regions.

Well, someone will say that it is necessary then to go to the Dnieper, taking the entire Left Bank into Russia in order to provide a reliable natural border with Ukraine, through which the mechanized units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not be able to break through so easily. Indeed, this is an acceptable intermediate option in order to cover the “old” regions from artillery and mortar shelling, as well as the entry of Ukrainian DRGs. However, the Dnieper will not protect against long-range ground- and air-based missiles, which from the Right Bank will be able to hit targets in our deep rear. Plus, the river, no matter how wide it is, will not protect settlements along its course, in the new “new” Russian territories of the Left Bank, from terrorist attacks by large-caliber artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Astute readers will rightly point out that the solution to the problem lies only in the complete liberation of all of Ukraine from the power of the puppet neo-Nazi regime and the improvement of the Russian-Polish border. And indeed it is. All other solutions are half measures. But is it worth seriously expecting a large-scale offensive from the Kremlin with decisive goals, if, as some homegrown analysts assure, President Putin deliberately sat down in a strategic defense, expecting When will Donald Trump take over the White House? and bring him Ukraine on a silver platter without war?

half measure

In the current realities, when our army is not yet ready for a large-scale offensive to the Polish border, and the Kremlin is hoping for a miracle, it seems appropriate to do the following.

first. It is simply necessary to create a buffer belt in the border area for a long time. We need a series of local offensive operations to encircle Sumy, Kharkov and Chernigov with the squeezing out of the garrisons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the gradual destruction without a decisive assault. For a complete reliable blockade of such large settlements, additional forces are needed, the grouping of the RF Armed Forces will have to be increased due to the second wave of mobilization. The successful conduct of such an operation will give our troops a sense of confidence and positive combat experience, and the morale of the enemy will be undermined by the loss of three regional centers at once, including the former capital of the Ukrainian SSR with a population of one and a half million.

Second. It is not necessary to attach these three regions to the Russian Federation at once for the reasons indicated above. Instead, Slobozhanshchina in particular, and the entire Left Bank in a broad sense, can and should become a counterbalance to Right-Bank Ukraine, which remains under the rule of the Nazis and their Western collaborators. On this buffer territory between Russia and Nezalezhnaya, a puppet state with its capital in Kharkov can be created, which should be proclaimed legal successor of premaidan Ukraine, revoking the recognition of the Zelensky regime as legal.

The third. In Slobozhanshchina it is possible and necessary to form a Volunteer Army of ethnic Ukrainians, as well as Belarusians and Russians, who are ready to liberate the rest of Ukraine together with the RF Armed Forces. The fact that it is the Ukrainians who should become the tip of the Russian spear for the liberation of all of Ukraine, we spoke even before the start of the NWO.

The time gained must be used to prepare for further war, which is inevitable, since the bet on Trump's victory is beaten from the very beginning. Sooner or later, but we will have to go to the Polish border, and when we reach it, we need to think what to do with the entire liberated territory and its embittered population. Pre-formed governing bodies and power structures from among the locals would be very useful here. Well, or you can do nothing at all and wait for the weather by the sea. But it certainly won't end well.
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  1. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 29 May 2023 16: 22
    It is from those areas with which there is no armed conflict that the DRGs come. We push them back to the border of Ukraine, and stand in their tracks. There is an operation with all Ukraine. For three kilometers we can advance into the territory of a foreign region. Since they allow the invasion of saboteurs from their territory, they must feel for themselves what it is. What are we afraid of. This area is not the area of ​​a NATO country.
    1. E NOT Offline E NOT
      E NOT (Eugene) 30 May 2023 09: 23
      And who will hold these three kilometers? And these three kilometers are nothing for the DRG
  2. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 29 May 2023 17: 41
    The plans proposed by the respected Author are relatively realistic.
    But the problem is that Ukraine has seized the initiative and is conducting its own NWO in the border area in order to capture a bridgehead-gravity and a far-reaching prospect ... to provoke a "Russian rebellion - senseless and merciless"!
    And while the Author believes that it is the Ukrainians who should become the tip of the Russian spear for the liberation of all of Ukraine - in practice: ethnic Russians create this anti-Russian springboard for Ukraine, they threaten to go to Moscow!
    Under "sleepy" Putin, no turn of events can be ruled out!
    1. vladivan Offline vladivan
      vladivan (Vladimir) 30 May 2023 00: 30
      As times he and sleeps 20 years! Wakes up only before the presidential elections And the Minsk agreement slept for 6 years. His entire AP tried to shove the independent LDNR into Ukraine. Only after Merkel's statement did the president wake up and hear how he and the Presidential Administration, the European partners, had been deceiving all 6 years. The SVO that his AP came up with, slept through the mobilization of the military-industrial complex and the army for six months, which almost ceased to exist, turning it into a mini-army. Here the authorities of Ukraine just did not sleep for 8 years. And in every possible way they made an artificial "monster" out of the GDP and Ukrainianized Ukraine, banning the Russian language, and threw out the Russian businessmen. perception - Crimea
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      2. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 30 May 2023 14: 09
        Quote from vladivan
        after Merkel's statement, the president woke up., and heard how he and the AP, the European partners were deceiving all 6 years.

        Do you seriously believe the words of Merkel, who herself had to justify herself over these 6 years?
  3. Pembo Offline Pembo
    Pembo 29 May 2023 18: 28
    Our country is so huge, the borders are so long that we cannot constantly guard the border as a front line. If now the borders of Russia with Ukraine are not a line of military contact and do not require troops, then when moving deep into Ukraine, the LBS will have to be built according to any, and in the case of blocking Kharkov and around Kharkov. This will require a large number of troops, which will be associated with this task. The liberation of all Ukraine seems to be a global solution to the problem. But firstly, it is practically unattainable. Secondly, this is the West's plan for Russia to seize Ukraine, and that would drag it (Russia) to the bottom. So, in my opinion, not only Putin's plan for Ukraine failed, but the West's plan for Russia also failed. More precisely succeeded, but partially. Russia is bound by Ukraine, but not hand and foot. Those who dream of the liberation of Ukraine dream of tying Russia hand and foot. You can not wage war indefinitely, especially realizing that it will not lead to anything good. This is a crime against the people. It is necessary to conclude a peace that will be unpleasant and difficult. I'm afraid that our president is thinking more about how to save face, but we need to think about how to save Russia!
    1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
      Mikhail L. 29 May 2023 18: 55
      Ukraine categorically does not want negotiations...
      The other day, on behalf of the West, German Chancellor O. Scholz made a similar statement.
      Ukraine has an educated population, a historically huge industrial potential, and the best black earth in the world. If she disposes of this in a businesslike way, she will still pull the Russian Federation to the surface!
      1. Pembo Offline Pembo
        Pembo 29 May 2023 20: 24
        Mikhail L. Today, 18:55
        Ukraine categorically does not want negotiations.

        Well, if we insist on maintaining the status quo, the non-bloc status of Ukraine. Then why would she crush water in a mortar. She is counting on the summer offensive to seize the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov, inflict a heavy defeat on our army in the south, defeat and encircle our troops, and prevent them from retreating to the Crimea. And you'll be lucky and break into the Crimea, where then there will be few troops. Perhaps our leadership of this option is even eager to shrug and say this: our army has not coped with what we have instructed it and we have to sign a difficult peace on the surrender of the territories still captured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And the government thinks that then it will save face.
        Will we get a huge industrial potential of Ukraine? Yes, we have already received Azovstal from this potential and we will get a lot more of the same. And the chernozems ... what's what, and we already have grains in bulk.
        1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
          Mikhail L. 29 May 2023 20: 51
          There was already a precedent: the industry of Ukraine after the fascist occupation was restored at an accelerated pace ... L. Brezhnev!
          Has the white light converged on the grain like a wedge - there are no other crops?

          To plan the NMD as a forerunner of surrender in order to bring NATO missiles closer to the same Moscow?
          Many claims can be made against the leadership of the Russian Federation, but it does not look like a "non-commissioned officer's widow who flogged herself"!
          1. Pembo Offline Pembo
            Pembo 30 May 2023 13: 43
            Those. you want to first turn the cities and enterprises of Ukraine into ruins, then restore them, and then the Ukrainians, with the support of the world community, will kick us and laugh at us. How much we have swelled into Crimea, and if, God forbid, we have to leave it, what will happen, that instead of Russia, we were courting a part of Ukraine. And you propose to rebuild the whole of Ukraine, and even turned into ruins. It's .... it's brilliant!
            The Baltics have been in NATO for 20 years, there are not only NATO missiles, but there are no NATO troops either. Yes, they do not have their own troops, they did not threaten us with anything.
            What were the goals of the SVO: demilitarization and denazification, turning Ukraine into a friendly state, where Russian is the second state language, where the friendly Ukrainian people live. Ukraine has at least a non-bloc status, and even an alliance with Russia. What happened as a result of SVO. The unprecedented militarization of Ukraine, the unprecedented nazification of Ukraine, it is impossible to speak Russian, the hatred of Ukrainians for Russians is going through the roof. Ukraine will soon be accepted into NATO. Cherry on the cake: Finland was admitted there, Sweden will be admitted in July. I am generally silent about sanctions and gold, foreign exchange reserves. If that doesn't mean you're in the position of a non-commissioned officer's widow...then...then I have no words for you.
            1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
              Mikhail L. 30 May 2023 14: 02
              You twisted everything.
              But the hysteria of the statements excludes objections!
              1. Pembo Offline Pembo
                Pembo 30 May 2023 14: 19
                Thank you for responding, for reading. I didn't reply yesterday because I didn't see it, sorry. And today, as I saw immediately for the answer sat down. We had a nice chat.
                1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
                  Mikhail L. 30 May 2023 14: 35
                  Didn't D. Kennedy get angry when N. Khrushchev put a knife to his throat with Soviet missiles in Cuba?
                  Similarly, V. Putin acted in advance.
                  NATO has a goal, through the efforts of the satellite of Ukraine and the 5th column, to blow up the Russian Federation from the inside in order to deprive it of statehood and seize natural resources.
                  "Excess population" - to reduce to 50 million.
                  "Sequester" was announced not by anyone, but by Nobel Peace Laureate Lech Walesa.
                  At the moment, V. Putin prevented the deployment of enemy missiles on the adjacent Ukrainian territory.
                  And here's what's next...
                  1. Pembo Offline Pembo
                    Pembo 30 May 2023 21: 01
                    Quote: Mikhail L.
                    Didn't D. Kennedy get angry when N. Khrushchev put a knife to his throat with Soviet missiles in Cuba?
                    Similarly, V. Putin acted in advance.

                    Kenedy got angry, they put a photo of launchers in Cuba on his desk. What information do we have that missiles are going to be installed in Ukraine? None, but there is a possibility. So you can attack any country. Imagine that your neighbor will preventively fill you with fashion because you don’t like him and you can offend him. Will act proactively.

                    NATO has a goal, through the efforts of the satellite of Ukraine and the 5th column, to blow up the Russian Federation from the inside in order to deprive it of statehood and seize natural resources.

                    As for the plans to blow up and deprive, I agree, but why are we helping NATO in this, restoring the whole world against ourselves. As for natural resources, I disagree. Our resources - energy carriers - are not needed by anyone. The United States itself is the leader in oil, gas and coal production. We are their competitors.

                    "Excess population" - to reduce to 50 million.
                    "Sequester" was announced not by anyone, but by Nobel Peace Laureate Lech Walesa

                    This is not anyone, but the Nobel laureate Lech Walesa, a former political figure, and now an ordinary Nobel freak who is not responsible for the market. And he did not tell how and who and when will produce this hecatomb? It would be interesting to listen, maybe you know, tell me.

                    At the moment, V. Putin prevented the deployment of enemy missiles on the adjacent Ukrainian territory.

                    I wonder how it is? We do not control the territory of Ukraine. I don't want to.
                    1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
                      Mikhail L. 31 May 2023 15: 01
                      Remaining your own opinion is your right.
                      I set out my vision not only for you, but also for ... readers!
                  2. Vega (Eugene) Offline Vega (Eugene)
                    Vega (Eugene) (Eugene) 2 June 2023 19: 51
                    What preemption? Missiles in Cuba appeared for a reason, but in response to a very specific action: missiles in Turkey.

                    And why did NATO collapse the Russian Federation? Get dozens of small ones instead of one nuclear power? For red buttons to fall into the hands of people like Kadyrov? Who needs it? If they wanted to, they would have finished off in the 90s.
            2. For the Russian army 2 June 2023 16: 29
              What will be your suggestions?
            3. Cetron Offline Cetron
              Cetron (Peteris) 2 June 2023 21: 09
              Well, you turned it down, my friend! There are no NATO missiles and troops in the Baltics!..
              In each of the three republics, there is a full-fledged corps: in Lithuania, a US tank, in Latvia a motorized FRG, in Estonia a motorized Canada. Each has about 20000 troops, plus its own armies, although not large. In Estonia, a complex of anti-ship missiles with a range of 300 km (this is according to the passport, who prevents you from putting more long-range ones?)
              This is what is widely known, apart from anti-missile radars and the constant presence of "axe" carriers in ports and the readiness of airfields to receive nuclear weapons carriers.
              I am from Latvia, NATO exercises are ongoing, there are more military aircraft in the sky than during the times of the union.
              1. Vega (Eugene) Offline Vega (Eugene)
                Vega (Eugene) (Eugene) 3 June 2023 12: 17
                There are troops, of course, but 60k is clearly not a threat to Russia. It used to be even less.
                No one interferes, but for some reason they do not deliver.
                Of course, it is not surprising that there are intensive exercises now, guess for what reason ...
    2. vladivan Offline vladivan
      vladivan (Vladimir) 30 May 2023 00: 44
      But the plan of the West is 70% successful! If Ukraine is divided, then part of the territory will be received by Hungary, Poland, Moldova-Romania. And these countries are members of the EU NATO received a lot from the collapse of the USSR, even the Baltic states And from the Yeltsin-Putin policy of NATO received the complete destruction of industry, military-industrial complex = defense industry, scientific institutions. the working class ceased to exist with the peasantry
      1. Raymond Offline Raymond
        Raymond (Raymond) 30 May 2023 22: 14
        Here you are trying to explain that Russian industry was mainly military?

        At the time you were producing the Tu-144, why not at the same time create a type of high-speed train, world-famous high-performance vehicles, ultra-efficient trucks, airliners competing with Boeing, the world giant.

        A tiny country like France, connected to its old and worst enemy, could do it, why not Russia?
    3. Scharnhorst Offline Scharnhorst
      Scharnhorst (Scharnhorst) 30 May 2023 07: 05
      The commentary began for health, and ended for the repose. There is no need to go beyond the Dnieper. Four new regions will be weights with chains for the sanctions economy of Russia for decades. The example of the United States and Israel, which have been "fighting" since the end of WWII and since its formation, serve as indisputable examples of the effectiveness of a military or mobilization economy. In the long term, the course of the NWO is even somewhat hasty and chaotic. Where is denazification? Where is the destruction of the "Red Terror", the creation of SMERSH, the work of the DRG of the Airborne Forces and the MTR? Why does oil and gas go to or through Ukraine? Why are the ports, railways and energy of a hostile country still working? Well, a provocative question: why are the Airborne Forces sitting in the trenches on the flanks of Wagner? It's time to reformat into motorized riflemen - we will reduce the range of airborne equipment!
      1. For the Russian army 2 June 2023 16: 31
        The Airborne Forces are sitting where they were put and assigned tasks. The Wagnerites are different...
  4. staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) 29 May 2023 19: 28
    Until we deal with Europe, there will be no peace.
    1. Raymond Offline Raymond
      Raymond (Raymond) 29 May 2023 22: 22
      That's what's strange ... they say here: "until we deal with Russia, there will be no peace" ...

      Who do you think is right?
      1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
        Mikhail L. 30 May 2023 04: 39
        Was it a weakened Russian Federation moving west or NATO countries moving east?
        So who is the originator of the "showdown"?
        1. Raymond Offline Raymond
          Raymond (Raymond) 30 May 2023 05: 46
          The one who wants to go to the West, having no other means than the military, and who thinks that he has the strength to do so.

          Fine! ... I acknowledge the fact that sometimes we make mistakes in our assessments...
          1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
            Mikhail L. 30 May 2023 08: 53
            who wants to go west

            Or is it really heading east?

            I acknowledge the fact that sometimes we make mistakes in our judgments...


            Errors must not be recognized. They must be washed off. Blood!

            (Prisoner of the Caucasus, or Shurik's New Adventures)
      2. Pembo Offline Pembo
        Pembo 30 May 2023 15: 09
        Backfilling question: where is "here"?
  5. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 29 May 2023 20: 10
    Before joining, you need the LAW of the Russian Federation. The State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation should issue a law according to which the entire territory of Ukraine is an integral part of Russia. Then. Since, in accordance with the Law, the territory of Ukraine is the territory of Russia, then by the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation to transfer the NMD to the counter-terrorist operation (CTO), i.e. all military actions on the territory of Ukraine will be held in accordance with the law "On countering terrorism" dated 06.03.2006 N 35-FZ, this is the legal basis for conducting military operations. The law will allow for changes in administrative boundaries within the state. There is no need to wait for the complete liberation of the territory of Ukraine from the separatists. Everything is simple, but the desire and will of the President of the Russian Federation are needed.
    1. vladivan Offline vladivan
      vladivan (Vladimir) 29 May 2023 22: 02
      To issue a law that Ukraine is part of Russia! it is necessary to issue a law on the discovery of the history of Ukrainization of the UCR of 1917-20 and the KPU (b) People's Commissars of Education and Images. Zatonsky, Shumsky, N Skripnik 1925-32 Also the story about Krivor. Don. People. Rep. And also from what the term Ukraine, Ukrainians, Ukrainian language appeared and when these terms began to be introduced. These terms were announced by the Galician publicists, I. Franko, P. Kulish, M. Grushevsky, Prosvitoy-1901, the Taras Brotherhood, M. Grushevsky-NauchTovarishch. and T. Shevchenko 1901-905 as a mandatory reference in their publications, replacing the former names of Rusyn, Ruthenian, Little Russian, Little Russian language, Little Russia.
      And so your law that you offer-profanity. Therefore, all our authorities deliberately do not mention the history of Ukrainization anywhere for 7 years. But on the Internet there are many articles about this story, although many are copies from several sites. But the Ukrainian authorities know very well, but they also hide it from Ukrainians. But Ukrainization has been carried out since 2014 or since 19 purely according to the patterns of Bolshevism, which suggests that Ukrainians. the authorities are well aware of the history of the Ukrainianization of the population by the Bolsheviks
      1. Raymond Offline Raymond
        Raymond (Raymond) 29 May 2023 22: 15
        It's called "rewriting history"...
        and by the way, you are erasing the historical decisions of the USSR.

        In the union of republics, the preamble stated that each country is a republic with borders.
        Centralization does not erase this.
        In 1991, the collapse of the USSR did not mean the end of the republics.

        Going back to the past to explain the inexplicable is nonsense.
        1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
          Mikhail L. 30 May 2023 03: 40
          Everything can be explained. Even if it's wrong.
          Your "inexplicable" is nonsense!
          1. Raymond Offline Raymond
            Raymond (Raymond) 30 May 2023 05: 50
            There is a proverb for this:

            let the lie run, the truth always catches up with her in the end.

            In other words, an "explanation", if it is a lie, does not last very long in the face of the real facts.
            1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
              Mikhail L. 30 May 2023 08: 55
              Transfer of arrows to another concept - low flight!
    2. Raymond Offline Raymond
      Raymond (Raymond) 29 May 2023 22: 20
      Why not legislate that America is Russian territory? And then, while you are there, the same can be said about the territories of Europe!
      1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
        Mikhail L. 30 May 2023 03: 35
        If America and Europe are de facto semi-colonies ... of aliens, then it is possible to fix their belonging to the Russian Federation by law!
        1. Raymond Offline Raymond
          Raymond (Raymond) 30 May 2023 05: 27
          Ask yourself the right questions: Why hasn't this been done yet?
          Because it goes without saying that others have been tempted to do so.
          And there is an answer.
          1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
            Mikhail L. 30 May 2023 08: 58
            Ask yourself the right questions - plural.

            Why hasn't this been done yet?

            is the only question. Etc.
            But I have no desire to deal with slyness!
  6. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 May 2023 20: 31
    All this is nonsense.

    First, the annexation of territories is logical and beneficial from the point of view of imperialism.
    But the buffer zones are just a prelude to "joining"
    What is preventing you from making a lunar landscape of the buffer zone even now? Nothing. And they do. So they still shoot.

    Secondly, the shelling of several kilometers is solved simply - by temporary evacuation. Many have stated this - Strelkov, Goblin, but ... if they don’t evacuate, then it’s not necessary. LDNRs were generally not recognized for 8 years.
    And of the affected Vipov, only Rogozin. And I relaxed in the restaurant.

    At 3. The sortie of saboteurs, according to the media, ended in a resounding victory for the Russian Federation. For 70 killed enemies, against several wounded. For the worst in Nord-Ost, Heroes of Russia were given. And if they were evacuated, then there were no wounded.

    At 4. Since there is such a tactic, it means that the Kremlin and the Ministry of Defense of the Armed Forces need it. otherwise it smacks of discrimination.
    And Prigogine, for example, explained this. A similar tactic - for more than six months they took Artemyevsk on the forehead, made a wonderful plan with the generals - Armageddon, in order to grind the Ukrainians more, to kill them all.

    Is it logical? Is logical.
    And they will still bring Central Asians to Russia, they will give citizenship.
    1. Raymond Offline Raymond
      Raymond (Raymond) 30 May 2023 05: 57
      As you can see, the "imperialist" era is over, the last existing Empire on Earth is in "decline".
      Please note that in the decline of empires, France is ahead of everyone (having survived the monarchy of divine right), Russia is in second place, we should generally be able not to repeat the same mistakes.
  7. Artificial Intelligence (artificial intelligence) 29 May 2023 23: 05
    about creating an intermediate puppet state to stop shelling - extremely original and logical thoughts), but in theory it seems easier than in practice. in practice, if this state is clearly puppet and fictitious like the ldnr, then this will in no way limit ukrov from shelling, and the fate will be the same as that of the ldnr. so it would have to be done in such a way as to hold some independent and honest referentums on self-determination there that could be recognized by the international community, which is highly dependent on the West as a party that will throw weapons at the Nazis and turn a blind eye to everything. if such a new state is possible, then not immediately, because it would be necessary first to denazize the local population, at least to appease them for a couple of years, in order to then be sure of their choice in referenda, which would have to force the rest of the world, and especially the West, to recognize when the shelling ukrov would have been aggression.
    in general, a complex multi-move turns out to be necessary. and lengthy. in fact, it again comes down to agreements with the West, about the fate of the Ukrainian.

    another option is the transformation of the government in the Russian Federation, when the government should come to the Russian Federation, which will inspire more trust and respect, incl. from ordinary Ukrainians, i.e. be able to qualitatively influence propaganda on the mass consciousness, depicting the noble qualities and desires for peace and justice, and at the same time not to give up Russian patriotic positions in favor of the Ukrainian regime. it is difficult to achieve an ideal in this, but it is probably possible to partially extinguish the sense of righteousness of the war among the population of Ukraine by replacing the reputation of the Russian Federation and its government. moreover, the effect would be complex, not only in the application to the shelling of territories.
    but it is also not fast and difficult.

    and yet it is not even clear how this can be solved. probably the simplest and fastest method is at the same time the most severe - the method of retaliatory terror, when you unilaterally establish a rule according to which for each arrival on the growing territory - there will be an arrival in Kiev. in Kyiv, in this case, they will no longer rejoice at hooliganism at all, just as they will not remain indifferent. but I can't say that I approve of it on my own. it just might work.

    the conclusion of some compromises may also act when Ukraine will depend on the leniency of the Russian Federation in some matters in order to obtain certain benefits, for example, hope for the future return of territories through referendums or the payment of some compensation, the supply of free gas to Ukraine. but with the condition that if they start to misbehave, then there will be no handouts and they will lose everything, they will make themselves worse. then they would not really want to do dirty tricks to their own detriment. this is in case you have to conclude some kind of compromise agreements without the ability to win and dictate your terms in everything.
    1. Raymond Offline Raymond
      Raymond (Raymond) 30 May 2023 05: 34
      What is your relationship with your neighbor?
      - Buffer zone between you,
      - the right to his expired property,
      - taxes for what goes in and out of his house,
      - ...

      Of course not... and you wouldn't want him to do the same to you.
      This is called "living together", this is what characterizes us in the animal kingdom and what we call "civilization".

      If you do not know how to do this, you become an animal again and act instinctively, in fact, stupid and vile.
    2. Pembo Offline Pembo
      Pembo 30 May 2023 14: 42
      ... another option is to transform the government in the Russian Federation, when the government should have come to the Russian Federation, which will inspire more trust and respect, incl. from ordinary Ukrainians, i.e. to be able to qualitatively influence propaganda on the mass consciousness, depicting the noble qualities and desires for peace and justice, and at the same time not to give up Russian patriotic positions in favor of the Ukrainian regime. it is difficult to achieve an ideal in this, but it is probably possible to partially extinguish the sense of righteousness of the war among the population of Ukraine by replacing the reputation of the Russian Federation and its government. moreover, the effect would be complex, not only in the application to the shelling of territories.
      but it is also not fast and difficult.

      Less than a year before the presidential election, Putin probably will not be nominated, and the Ukrainians do not particularly like him, so we will choose a president whose Ukrainians will love, maybe we will like him too.
  8. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 29 May 2023 23: 50
    I highly appreciate the article, especially the caustic phrase about astute readers!
    To my regret, the author, who thinks broadly and superbly generalizes diverse and contradictory information, stops at the Polish border. I believe that Poland, like the Dnieper, are intermediate stages on the way to the future, so far European, hegemony of Russia.
    Even twenty years ago, mattress covers, understanding and predicting the growing influence of the Russian Federation in Europe after the pacification of Chechnya, resolutely moved their levers towards them, which clicked in the fourteenth and began to crumble in the last two years.
    Fully sharing the bitterness of the respected S. Marzhetsky about the fact that the authorities are acting slowly and with mistakes, I believe that we are moving in the right direction. Tram-not trump, America will still get on its knees. And not in front of blm, but in front of us!
    1. Raymond Offline Raymond
      Raymond (Raymond) 30 May 2023 05: 42
      But you are not the only ones who "look" at Europe, others also hold the same views.

      What America doesn't like is when Russia and Europe get closer...
      But if Russia dreams of hegemony over Europe, there will be other adversaries, including China (who dreams in this sense), America (always), Africa (currently your friends) and the Middle East (by interests).
      This is a much more complex work than the one being done in Ukraine.
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  9. radvas Offline radvas
    radvas (Igor) 30 May 2023 09: 07
    Everything is as always... Stalin, come already! It is very bad to fight without you.
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  12. Serj Iff Offline Serj Iff
    Serj Iff (Serj Iff) 30 May 2023 09: 23
    If you really look at things, then the immediate task is to throw the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the right bank. ALWAYS liberate Chernihiv, then Sumy, then Kharkov and Poltava regions. From these areas to create Eastern Ukraine, as opposed to the Western part (FRG-GDR) The border of demarcation along the Dnieper, a demilitarized zone of 50 km on each bank.
    The next stage in the liberation of Ukraine is an approach from the North with a simultaneous amphibious assault on Odessa and Nikolaev.
    And the third stage - Western Ukraine, if necessary.
    And if you sit and pick your nose, chew snot and wait for peace from "Western partners", then they can soon get it on Rublyovka. By the way, a good idea, we need to hit not on the Bank, but on the Kyiv "ruble".
    All this can be achieved in a short time. But for this it is necessary to work harmoniously by political, economic and military methods. So far, we have swan, cancer and pike in this regard.
  13. radvas Offline radvas
    radvas (Igor) 30 May 2023 09: 30
    I read our blah blah... It's WE who chose the GDP .. It's WE who are behind this. Therefore, this is OUR WAR. and we must WIN. Otherwise Khan, Belarusians. Love you. There you have my grandfather buried
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  15. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 30 May 2023 15: 40
    The accession, or rather the return of the lands, gives hope to the Russian people for the restoration of the Russian state.
  16. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 30 May 2023 22: 16
    Capturing Chernigov, Sumy, Kharkov is certainly good, but where to get so many troops, and especially weapons. A hundred thousand in the current situation is definitely not enough here.
  17. Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 31 May 2023 02: 19
    Opportunities, as they say, a million or strike iron on the spot. Once the commanders-in-chief had to develop and implement the plans of the barbarossa. They have a good life as well. All in business. Bloggers, analysts, mercenaries, military, oilmen, gas workers. The bankers, however, did not become very good. There is nowhere to turn around, the resorts are not allowed. The government regulates something there, thinking about something there. While Central Asia is giving birth, the elite have nothing to fear. As Comrade said. Zhukov - women still give birth. And what kind of women they are, this, categorically, does not bother anyone. Though gray-brown-crimson.
  18. Anton Kuzmin Offline Anton Kuzmin
    Anton Kuzmin (Anton Kuzmin) 31 May 2023 13: 11
    The governor's outlook is not that of a governor. More like local.

    All these minor problems are solved within the framework of the principle:

    "For Ukraine, One, Indivisible (as part of the Empire)"

    that's all...
  19. Pavel111 Offline Pavel111
    Pavel111 1 June 2023 23: 46
    Only to the Polish and Romanian borders. All other decisions regarding Ukraine will lead to even greater losses of people.
  20. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 2 June 2023 03: 39
    Sergei, you are correct. I suggested this a year ago, and others did too. But we have such Db (s) there that we can’t say with a word or describe with a pen.
  21. mora Offline mora
    mora (Marat) 2 June 2023 13: 33
    What Kharkiv, what Sumy and Chernihiv, for a year and a half we cannot completely liberate the territory of Donbass and Lugansk regions from at least shelling, they have been shooting since 2014 and continue. This war will go on for many years, and if we liberate, or rather capture these areas, then there will be terror for decades and the Russian people will still CRY.
  22. andrey682006 Offline andrey682006
    andrey682006 (Andrei) 2 June 2023 15: 38
    I liked the idea of ​​forming the government of Ukraine in advance. And in Kharkov.
    That's just how to clean the brains of Ukrainians from rabies? It will take effort and time, and most importantly - where to get the tool?
    In such cases, they say: "You need to start with yourself." First, we ourselves must cleanse ourselves of this pro-Westernness, of the influence from there, and form our own goals and objectives.
    Restore culture and education, raise a new generation.
    But who will give us time?
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 4 June 2023 19: 36
      All the same, even though Ukrainians are mostly anti-Russian, no matter what language they speak, there are also many pro-Russian populations, especially in Kharkiv. In addition, there is a swamp, which is considerable and which generally does not care what kind of power and language, as long as they do not interfere with their lives. There are a lot of gullible people who believe TV. Today they believe Zele, and after the removal of Kyiv programs and the broadcast of pro-Russian ones, they will believe Putin. Within 10 years, and even more so 20, a new generation will grow up that will not perceive the ideals of Ukrainian nationalism, and even the range of the Ukrainian language will decrease. There was little left to do: capture (not liberate) the Kharkiv region.
  23. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
    Grei grin (Gray Grin) 3 June 2023 13: 19
    Dreams and dreams, dreams will melt away, like dreams, when Russia wakes up and understands, while the enemy in the rear is not only some kind of victory, nothing good can be expected!
  24. vap Offline vap
    vap (vap) 1 September 2023 19: 09
    ... There is an operation with all Ukraine. Already three kilometers we can advance into the territory of a foreign region ...

    Mmmm... Yeah...! There is, as it were, the logic of the Russian NWO ... However, the consciousness blocked by the Ukro-media and "Zombie-peacefulness" does not allow OFFENDING the coming-out sadists and limiting the Bendera terror of Russia (well ... perhaps a little pinch for three kilometers ... To justify it - they say "were a little fornicated ..." - We are not like locals ...)!
    And it should have been somewhere like this:

    Chase the enemy DRG to full tactical depth, supported by artillery, strike UAVs and reconnaissance equipment, until it is completely destroyed!. The territories and settlements liberated from the DRG and other formations of the enemy should be considered the buffer (“gray”) zone of the Russian Federation and controlled as far as possible. Bodies of local government and administration under the control of the Kyiv regime - to remove from their work, detain and identify their involvement in terrorist activities. Temporarily transfer control functions to pro-Russian activists from the local population. Heights not occupied by the enemy discovered during the pursuit, hold until the approach of specially assigned formations.

    This is how it will probably be clear that the SVO really covers the whole of Ukraine, and formations of all departments of the Russian Federation participate in achieving the tasks set by the Supreme Civil Code, and they will certainly be fulfilled!