Where are the projects from the "Party of Peace" and the "Party of War" leading Russia?


In the sixteenth month of the special military operation in Ukraine, the initial somewhat vagueness of its goals and objectives, the lack of understanding and consensus about when, where and how it should end, naturally led to a split in Russian society, both at the "top" and in the "bottom". Today, we can already talk about at least three ways in which our country can go further.


The fact that Russian society in relation to the NWO, its goals and objectives has split into the conditional "white top" and "red bottom", we spoke in ARTICLES dated November 8, 2022. By the end of May 2023, we have to admit that the situation has become even more complicated both within the country and around it. With some assumptions, three vectors of force can be distinguished that are dragging it in different directions.

"Nagorno-Karabakh scenario No. 2"


The first can be attributed to a certain grouping in the “top”, which, according to some assumptions, includes the richest Russian oligarchs of the first draft, closely tied to the collective West, and also, probably, some high-ranking officials, also tightly integrated there through their families and assets. They do not need Crimea, Donbass, Novorossia, or Ukraine, and Russia itself is just a place where they earn money, which is then withdrawn to foreign accounts. War and introduced economic they extremely dislike sanctions, and they are mortally afraid of winning it, raising a huge country to a mortal battle. It is clear why.

The easiest way to solve all their problems is to simply lose, allowing Kyiv to take by force what Moscow, with all its desire, cannot give up voluntarily for political reasons. After that, it will be possible to overthrow the incumbent head of state through a “patriotic Maidan” and install in the Kremlin a puppet completely controlled by the West, who will agree to pay compensation and reparations to Ukraine under the guise of “investment in restoration” and privatize the remnants of state property. There are two possible further developments.

First, Russia is preserved as a single state and is being turned by Washington and London into a shock ram against China. Now this may seem like nonsense to someone, but it is possible that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fight against the PLA together with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The second option is that they decide to finish off our country, and it falls apart into 2-3 dozen feudal principalities, since governors, corporations and oligarchs already have their own armies. In this case, a preventive entry of the Chinese army into the Far East and Siberia to the Urals is possible in order to creating a safety belt. Anyone who is amused by such prospects is advised to look at what is happening right now.

And right now, Mr. Pashinyan is legally formalizing the "drain" of Nagorno-Karabakh, recognizing it as part of Azerbaijan, which was welcomed by President Aliyev:

There is a possibility of reaching a peace agreement between Baku and Yerevan, especially considering that Armenia has officially recognized Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan.

Nikol Vovaevich has already distanced himself from what will happen on the territory of the former Artsakh:

I hope that a normal, constructive dialogue between Baku and Stepanakert will begin in a short time.

About the fact that this is a role model for the Russian "peace party", we are very subtly hinted earlier. Fortunately, not everyone, even in our “elite”, is ready to accept a humiliating defeat from Ukraine, and two alternative projects have already de facto formed from the “party of war”, coming from both “above” and “below”.

"Above"


The public demand for the truth about what is happening at the front and tough uncompromising actions against an equally implacable and dangerous adversary is now being satisfied by well-known St. Petersburg businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin. The founder of PMC "Wagner" positions himself as "a man with a sledgehammer" who is able to come and "unwind" any Gordian knot with it. At the same time, he directly opposes himself to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Shoigu and the head of the General Staff and the commander-in-chief of the Northern Military District Gerasimov, whose activities have long been criticized.

Soledar, and now Artemovsk, have become a calling card for Yevgeny Viktorovich, with which he can now trump against the backdrop of the failures of the Russian army. The “music producer” himself, in his typical “real kid” manner, emphasizes in any case that his private army is the best in the world. Not everyone likes his style, but in comparison with functionaries from the Ministry of Defense and the presidential administration, Prigozhin wins in the eyes of many anxious patriots. A recent interview with the “producer” can be considered significant and at the same time programmatic, in which he voiced key points on the prospects for the NVO, Russia in general and Ukraine in particular.

His words confirm the fact of the need to transfer the country to a military footing, which should have been done a year ago:

Most likely, the CBO scenario will not be good for us. We need to prepare for a very difficult war. What should be done in this war in order not to forgive Russia? We must introduce martial law... We must announce new mobilizations. During martial law, we must transfer everyone who is possible to the production of ammunition. We must stop building glass towers like Gazprom... Stop fattening, stop building new roads and infrastructure facilities. And work only for the war. We win - you can build anything. Stabilize the front and then move on to some kind of active action.

Surely many Russians are ready to subscribe to what has been said. There is also a hint about the image of the future for Ukraine:

If we want to return Ukraine to the “pro-Russian bosom”, we need to change the top of power, kiss the people on the ass and call them to us. What did we do instead? They walked boorishly throughout the territory with boots in search of the Nazis. While they were looking for the Nazis, they knocked out everyone they could.

In other words, the “party of war” up there, which de facto represents Prigozhin, has an alternative scenario to the Nagorno-Karabakh scenario. It involves militarization, the transfer of the country to a military footing and war to the bitter end. Ukraine, apparently, should become a kind of protectorate, formally independent of Russia. A change in the socio-political system is not expected, only point changes “at the top” are possible. What exactly is delicately kept silent, but Yevgeny Viktorovich has his own private army, the best in the world, as he himself claims.

"Bottom"


In Russia, the “party of war” also has an alternative project coming “from below”. This, of course, is the Angry Patriots Club, or PKK. About what this association is, what led to its appearance, we will detail told earlier.

The strength of the PKK can be considered that its basis is represented by people who, since 2014, in one way or another, have been involved in the events of the Russian Spring, personally and consistently defending the interests of Greater Russia and the Russian people in a broad sense. The image of the future for them is as follows: the militarization of the country, the transfer of the economy to a military footing, an uncompromising war against Ukrainian Nazism until complete and unconditional Victory, the annexation of Novorossia and Little Russia to the Russian Federation. In this, both the left and the right turned out to be united.

The weak side of the PKK is precisely the fact that it includes people with very different views on our common past: for example, the monarchist Strelkov (Girkin), a supporter of the creation of the USSR-2 and the former head of the Odessa underground Vladimir Grubnik and others. In the conditions of war, all these contradictions are deliberately taken into account, but in the event of a Victory, this issue will still have to be returned to. If it works out, of course. Understanding this, no one shares the skin of an unkilled bear in the PKK. Also, the problem is that this association “from below” has neither financial resources, like the “Party of Peace”, much less its own private army, like Prigozhin.

It should be noted that, despite the coincidence on most points, there is no unity between the two projects from the “party of war”. Evgeny Viktorovich himself is in a state of personal hostile relations with Strelkov (Girkin) and defiantly opposes himself to the "Club":

The increase in the ratings of Kadyrov and Surovikin, on the contrary, pleases me, because they are doing their job. So sum up our ratings and you get the volume of people who are against the "Naughty Grandfathers Club", it is also sometimes called the "Naughty Dwarfs Club".

These are the swan, cancer and pike that are dragging our country in different directions. But all this could have been avoided if, from February 25, 2022, a course had not been taken for negotiations with the Kiev regime instead of mobilization in February-March and a decisive and uncompromising Victory over the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the summer of last year.
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  1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 26 May 2023 11: 32
    +5
    The author is right, in the Russian Federation, problems in connection with the SVO are exacerbating. But the NATO members directly announced that Russia must be defeated with all the consequences. The main contours of the acting forces are emerging, this is the Gaidar-Chubaisian outgrowth (superstructure) of speculative and criminal laws of citizens of the Russian Federation who have become rich by the laws, more often with Israeli roots and connections, and the rest of the "class of patriots" - the poor, because the Gaidar-Chubasov rule was aimed at creating pro-Jewish powerful clans that to this day have the main significant influence on the politics and economy of the Russian Federation. (Trace the crypto-Jews in the power structures of the state - more often the mother is Jewish, the father is clearly not Jewish surnames, and much will become clear, from Nabiullina, Shoigu, Peskov, Lavrov, Medvedev, not counting the vast majority of "oligarchs", etc. Conclusion: anti-Russians forces retain the main reins of government in the Russian Federation and the fate of Russia is in the hands of forces that are essentially hostile to it, therefore even the NWO will be shaken.
  2. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 26 May 2023 12: 01
    +2
    There is such a fable "Swan, cancer and pike". We have the opportunity to see who wins. But there was no leopard in the fable, the cat. will come and turn the head of all three. Judging by the situation, he is unlikely to change his mind. They themselves provoked him and framed him.
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  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 26 May 2023 12: 04
    +2
    It's all just fluff. All these "angry", "electors", "Valdai", "our" and other "polished experts" - no one and nothing.
    Allowed, threw money - go ahead. Carry "Sarmat-shaitanmobile" on a "rope".
    Rypnutsya - and they are not. How did the "stop khamovtsy" once disappear

    Reminds old bikes about the choice between authority with an ax and a swindler-swindler with a knife.
    There seems to be a choice, but teachers, builders, doctors and scientists are not considered there.
  4. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 26 May 2023 12: 11
    +1
    The current situation is the result of a series of crooked decisions. Somehow I can’t believe it will suddenly end without real changes.
  5. Griffith Offline Griffith
    Griffith (Oleg) 26 May 2023 12: 17
    -4
    How well to paint and advertise what did not happen. Let's look at the donut hole, or the so-called happy ending, which the author feeds us, i.e. victory last summer. Let's get a look. First, what does victory over the Armed Forces of Ukraine mean? Is this the destruction of personnel? Or the conquest of the territory of Ukraine? Or the elimination of the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? In general, it is still incomprehensible than the goals of the NWO. Secondly, I think the author knows that the so-called Ramstein, i.e. supply of APU equipment, was developed even before the start of the NWO. Those. arms deliveries after the so-called. victories over the Armed Forces of Ukraine were not stopped. And there is always enough cannon fodder in the world. Only in Bakhmut they put up 6 mercenaries. If necessary, instead of hundreds of thousands of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Pentagon will organize hundreds of thousands of mercenaries of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Third. so-called. victory in the summer would play a cruel joke on Russia. As smart people know, there are short-term, medium-term, and long-term results. A simple example is the power engines with gas in Europe. In short-term Europe in chocolate, all gas needs in 2022 are resolved. In the medium term, it suddenly turned out that the price of gas in 2023 is 10 times lower and Europe’s losses amounted to more than $1 trillion. That is, the medium-term results are somehow not very good. And in the long term, Western experts generally shout guard. Debts to help the population have accumulated more than half a trillion, production has been curtailed, inflation and economic growth have not been seen at all for five years. So it was with the victory over the Armed Forces of Ukraine last summer. Let's say we won. What's next? There is no consolidation of society at all. After all, the leadership of the European Union has not yet had time to say what they think of us. Liberals continue to govern, as before in Russia. At the same time, new bridges are being built with the European elite. Carry out new privatizations. Hundreds of thousands of saboteurs are secretly imported all over Russia. Mass sabotage by Ukrainians on the territory of Ukraine. In 2024, during the presidential elections in Russia, massive sabotage throughout Russia. Imported saboteurs arrange separatism throughout Russia. After 2024, proteges of the West come to power. The people are silent, because there were no those words from European officials that we have already heard. In the situation that the author so kindly advertises to us, these people would smile sweetly at mass sabotage, and would say that they support the independence of peoples. In 2025, Russia ceases to exist as a state. And this is the result of the victory over the Armed Forces of Ukraine last summer.
    1. Vox Populi Online Vox Populi
      Vox Populi (vox populi) 26 May 2023 13: 13
      +1
      And this is the result of the victory over the Armed Forces of Ukraine last summer

      Write more!!! lol
      1. Griffith Offline Griffith
        Griffith (Oleg) 26 May 2023 13: 31
        -1
        I don’t understand those who tell us that a victory over the Armed Forces of Ukraine last year would have decided everything. In addition to the above, you can add the following. The modernization of the Russian Armed Forces would not have been carried out. Why, if they won anyway? The military-industrial complex would not be mobilized. Why, if they won anyway? They would not spend money on infrastructure and new factories from the National Welfare Fund. Why, if they won anyway? Import substitution, which is still going on with difficulty, but would be curtailed. Why, if they won anyway? And there would be many other positive changes. Why, if they won anyway? As smart people say, there is no silver lining. Sometimes you need to poke a person's nose into the shit, so that he would wake up from the pink fantasies of his imagination and face the harsh reality. But why wake up if you already won?
        1. Nelton Offline Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 26 May 2023 14: 42
          0
          Quote: Griffit
          They would not spend money on infrastructure and new factories from the National Welfare Fund. Why, if they won anyway? Import substitution, which is still going on with difficulty, but would be curtailed. Why, if they won anyway?

          Well, exactly the same sanctions would have slapped them, whether they would have won or not.
          1. Griffith Offline Griffith
            Griffith (Oleg) 26 May 2023 15: 36
            0
            They would have stuck. Do you think we would be fed the thought that we would buy in Asia what we cannot buy in Europe, why spend extra money on import substitution, because we already won, so we are the best and everything is fine with us? That's exactly what it would be. As a last resort, they would continue to re-glue the labels and call it import substitution, as it was before February 24, 2022. Or do you think otherwise? And judging by the minuses to my comments, there is a wave of those who don’t want to change anything, a bunch of alarmists that everything is gone and others who want everything to be over, otherwise, God forbid, they will have to get up from the couch.
            1. Nelton Offline Nelton
              Nelton (Oleg) 26 May 2023 16: 29
              -3
              Quote: Griffit
              why spend extra money on import substitution, because we already won, so we are the best and everything is fine with us? That's exactly how it would be

              You can chat anything, but no matter how much you shout "Victory!", and Western imports will not appear on the shelves from this. Asian will not replace everything, with all the desire. So hosh is not hosh, but it would have to spin in exactly the same way.
              And yes, if the axiom that the Russians did nothing was true, only

              re-glued labels and called it import substitution

              - we would have died by 2022% already in 90 without food and light, and the remaining 10% would happily grab biscuits from the hands of NATO volunteers. What, in fact, was the calculation of our Western ex-partners.
              1. Griffith Offline Griffith
                Griffith (Oleg) 26 May 2023 19: 16
                0
                Tell me we can't buy in Asia what we can buy in the West? We do not live in the 20th century. And no one sold super duper new technologies to us even before the SVO. Have you already forgotten about the Jackson Vanik amendment? So no one canceled it with the collapse of the USSR. And how did they live before SVO? And somehow everyone listened to Kudrin that money should be kept in a jug and there is nothing to spend on the economy. And the NWF fund was printed at the end of 2022. And now the question. The author of the article says that there would be no problems if we won last summer. Would they then print the NWF to modernize factories and infrastructure? Would you finally start building North-South logistics? I strongly doubt it. Even now, all progress is creaking.
                1. Pembo Offline Pembo
                  Pembo 27 May 2023 17: 44
                  0
                  The Jackson-Vanik Amendment was repealed by the President of the United States for a year every year.
        2. skeptic Offline skeptic
          skeptic 27 May 2023 10: 33
          0
          Quote: Griffit
          Sometimes you need to poke a person's nose into the shit, so that he would wake up from the pink fantasies of his imagination and face the harsh reality.

          Don't look at the cons. They are uncomfortable with the harsh reality.
    2. strange guest Offline strange guest
      strange guest (Strange Guest) 26 May 2023 20: 15
      +2
      In 2025, Russia ceases to exist as a state. And this is the result of the victory over the Armed Forces of Ukraine last summer.

      Eee... Did I understand correctly that we can't win before the 25th year? And better, as DAM said, that this music should be eternal? For decades?
  6. Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 26 May 2023 12: 20
    +5
    Peter 1, at one time, broke the elite and forced them to sing to their tune. This, with regards to personality in history. The problem here is not in the clubs and parties, the problem is in the person who runs the country. Definitely not drawn to stand on a par with Peter, Stalin, Lenin.
  7. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 26 May 2023 12: 21
    0
    Confusion in the minds. We will soon be like boys with lanterns on their heads at night. Logically, we had to strike at the territory from where the saboteurs arrived in tanks. next step I will listen to "Tsargrad" about how volunteers' money is appropriated by individuals. There is a lack of activity of civil husbands. Against the backdrop of all this, preparations are underway for future elections. Everyone is looking for their electorate. Or maybe these elections will not happen at all. One thing is clear - the 90 years were not in vain for our country. And some want them back. Then it remains for us to say with the words of Sharik from the cartoon - "Do with me what you want."
  8. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 26 May 2023 12: 25
    +5
    What should be done in this war in order not to forgive Russia? We must ...… We must ...... We must ... We must ......

    And who are the "we" who should?
    It's easy to say "should". Prigozhin has an army, but he does not say "I must", he refers everyone to the abstract "we".
    Yes, he and his people took Lisichansk and Artyomovsk. Honor and praise to them. But did this solve the tasks of the NWO, did the security of the country be ensured? Maybe the shelling and terrorist attacks have stopped?
    What exactly can these "we", and to put it bluntly, the Russian people, without organizing power, without weapons, without money, without ideas and ideology, without leaders, finally?
    Where is the boy who honestly says that "the king is naked."
    Maybe for a start at least call the war a war?!
  9. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 26 May 2023 12: 41
    +9
    Putin is clearly not catching up with something ..
    Maybe he is being misinformed.

    From the screens of everything and everything - just a crazy house, inconsistencies, deceit, hypocrisy.
    Listen, but the whole Telegram and YouTube is just filled with scenes of Russian soldiers being killed,
    throwing bombs into trenches, blowing up tanks, etc....
    And this is watched by schoolchildren, children on their phones. how is this possible?
    And anti-Russian propaganda from enemies - everything is filled and overflowing.
    It's like Hitler's Nazi newspapers being sold in Moscow in 1941...

    The propagandists have lost all control and for them it is already natural
    talk live on where they would drop nuclear bombs ...
    For them, it's just a table talk about the apocalypse with millions of victims.
    Are there other options out there?

    Children and old people simply have a tremor from all this, and any explosion, provocation is already a panic.

    There is a strong opinion in society that Russia is being beaten, kicked, insulted
    without any answer. Here are naval drones and .... nothing.
    An attack on Russia near Belgorod and .... nothing, they just drove it out, forced it out?
    Russia looks weak, helpless, divided.
    In any kitchen, they attacked again, and Putin "drank water in his mouth like water."
    For some reason, Israel can attack any nest of terror, but Russia cannot.
    Banks in Ukraine are "holy".
    Without them, the war could end.

    In the Kremlin, there is no goal of destroying the neo-Nazi regime, defeating the army.
    What then is VICTORY? Why then the red flag on the sleeve of the generals?

    And when Putin himself declares that he pays money to the neo-Nazi regime
    for the transit of gas - then this already generally blows the roof of the layman ....
    And why don't the Hungarians actually pay, since they need it?

    Everyone is confused about everything. In red lines, perspectives. answers.
    Everyone says different and contradictory things.
    The Kremlin is one thing, the PKK is another, the communists are betting on a revolution (Sivkov), the Solovyov circle is on the third,
    military correspondents - their own, Prigozhin - their own .... This is a cancer swan and a pike ...

    And Medvedev declares that the conflict is for decades ....
    And immediately comes to mind only one proverb "..... seven miles is not a detour."

    Do you know how afraid the Kremlin is of a military poster contest like 1941-1945?
    After all, then you have to take Kyiv!
    And here, for Kherson, you still need to contrive not to get impeached ...
  10. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 26 May 2023 12: 42
    -1
    they decide to finish off our country after all, and it falls apart into 2-3 dozen feudal principalities, ... In this case, the preventive entry of the Chinese army into the Far East and Siberia to the Urals is possible

    Those. in the West decide to transfer everything to the Urals to China?

    stop building new roads and infrastructure facilities...
    work only for the war. We win - you can build anything
    many Russians are ready to subscribe to what was said

    The US also has nuclear weapons.
    This means that there can be no military victory with the capture of Washington.
    Moreover, even with conventional weapons, the prospects for reaching at least the Dnieper look very vague.
    We will intensify the onslaught - and the West will plant both weapons and their tamnets.

    So those who are ready to subscribe are ready to ruin the country's economy, and then the country itself.
    1. scolopendra Offline scolopendra
      scolopendra (Kirill Sazonov) 26 May 2023 13: 40
      +2
      Quote from Nelton.
      This means that there can be no military victory with the capture of Washington.
      Moreover, even with conventional weapons, the prospects for reaching at least the Dnieper look very vague.
      We will intensify the onslaught - and the West will plant both weapons and their tamnets.

      HPP.
    2. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 27 May 2023 11: 04
      +1
      Quote from Nelton.
      Those. in the West decide to transfer everything to the Urals to China?

      Much easier. The USSR occupied the Western parts of Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltic States, Moldova, to ensure the foreground, before the German attack. And therefore, the capture of the territory of the Urals, Siberia, the Far East is also raw materials.
      Naturally, the remaining Ukrainians and Russians will be thrown (without exception) into the furnace of the war against China. This will free up territories for US resettlement after a geotectonic catastrophe.
      It is a pity that neither the Ukrainians nor the Russians understand that the West arranged for the mass utilization of the Slavs, as it previously pitted the Indian tribes, for the sake of their own interests, and not for "Ukraine over the land."
  11. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 26 May 2023 15: 13
    0
    Youtube, Telegram, VPN banned immediately. During the fighting.
    Soldiers will manage. Political scientists will shut up at least for a while from wang-ing on the "coffee" grounds.
    It is not necessary to know that for the 1001th time Russia is attacking Ugledar (where only 15 people lived).
  12. Platon Verdictov 26 May 2023 15: 43
    +4
    Until the last, you understand, we will be surprised? It has long been clear that it is not the beds, but the boys that need to be changed.
  13. In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 26 May 2023 16: 53
    +4
    It's like at school in chemistry they mixed everything and everyone into one test tube, and we'll see what happens. Yes, our fragmented society, but without money, does not decide anything here, the Kremlin decides. The goal is generally understandable, Ukraine in its current form should not exist. But this must be done with minimal costs, losses, and the maximum possible gain for the "Moscow big boys", hence the staggering back and forth, because these "boys" are different. I want to hope that these "boys" understand that the war is against them, and their "assets", that they will never "fit" into the Western picture of the world, and if something happens to the state of Russia, they will lose. At the "red bottom", as the author says, they have already understood this, because they never "fit" into Western life. But the top is still hoping for something. Still clinging, trying to negotiate. Alas. And there is no need to invent what would happen if ... We live here and now. I hope that society will gradually crystallize, take shape and take shape. And it will be a completely different country.
  14. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 26 May 2023 17: 16
    +7
    Quote: Griffit
    I don’t understand those who tell us that a victory over the Armed Forces of Ukraine last year would have decided everything. In addition to the above, you can add the following. The modernization of the Russian Armed Forces would not have been carried out. Why, if they won anyway? The military-industrial complex would not be mobilized. Why, if they won anyway? They would not spend money on infrastructure and new factories from the National Welfare Fund. Why, if they won anyway? Import substitution, which is still going on with difficulty, but would be curtailed. Why, if they won anyway? And there would be many other positive changes. Why, if they won anyway?

    As shown by the CBO, we have nothing before and after 16 months. We drive through the gaskets, the same as we drove earlier from the west, but less, which happened to be finished off by the Chinese.
    They turned away from the west and turned to the east, but nothing inside the country changes, I would even say that it has become worse and more expensive.

    As smart people say, there is no silver lining. Sometimes you need to poke a person’s nose into shit so that he wakes up from the pink fantasies of his imagination and faces harsh reality

    Has it been unclear since 2014? 9 years have passed, and during this time they have learned to drive oil, gas and other raw materials from west to east.
    There was recently an article about how we in metallurgy have become worse than the Chinese and Swedes, we can only produce ingots that are exported, plus iron ore, ferrous metal. We buy high-quality steel in Sweden and China, and how will we raise our industry if we are dependent on the Swedes and the Chinese in metal?
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  16. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 26 May 2023 23: 21
    +4
    To go or lead you need to know the direction, you need to know the goal. Nobody knows where the president is going and what he wants.
  17. strange guest Offline strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 27 May 2023 07: 54
    -1
    Yes, what are the parties of war and peace. We have a typical monarchical republic. This is a historical tradition and we can't get away from it anywhere. Yes, and no need. How many rulers have left their post in the thousand-year history of the state, not because of biological death or a coup, but as a result of the transfer of power in a legal way? Units. I am practically sure that our next head of state will be for life.
    1. Raymond Offline Raymond
      Raymond (Raymond) 28 May 2023 09: 25
      -1
      Are you saying that the Russian people are so servile that they can no longer change this fate?
      1. strange guest Offline strange guest
        strange guest (Strange Guest) 28 May 2023 09: 37
        0
        Quote from Raymond
        Are you saying that the Russian people are so servile that they can no longer change this fate?

        Isn't history convincing? Riot, and then again the king around the neck. Your way though.
  18. Vladimir R. Offline Vladimir R.
    Vladimir R. (Vladimir Russian) 27 May 2023 17: 14
    +3
    .........I have long proposed declaring Ukraine a terrorist state. And I received an answer that if we recognize the Ukrainian state as a terrorist organization, then how will we fulfill our obligations under the UN Charter to ensure its territorial integrity and inviolability? This position is in line with Russian policy.........

    M. Delyagin.
  19. Pembo Offline Pembo
    Pembo 27 May 2023 17: 36
    +2
    It is clear to me that the first person in the peace party is our president. The question is why? Because a large, well-trained, motivated and well-armed army is needed to win. В.В. apparently not sure that it is possible in Russia. The mobilized contingent is not inspired by the idea of ​​giving their lives for the Donbass and the land corridor to Crimea. He is imperfectly trained and imperfectly armed. Big? After the mobilization of 300 thousand people, not even all of them got to the front. Because their number exceeded the number of those who were there, also, by the way, not completely from supermen, and such an increase in not very competent and not very motivated military personnel would make the army completely incompetent. And it was not easy to equip and arm them. To carry out more mobilization and add another 300 thousand soldiers to the army is a good thing, but to add another 300 thousand mobilized to the army, who have yet to become soldiers, while in the army there will be 2/3 of the mobilized, i.e. not a soldier now, but a potential soldier, the idea is not very good. The fact that Prigozhin, who created a professional PMC, does not want to understand this, where training and motivation are given special importance, is amazing. You give mobilization and that's it. And then what? Further, Prigozhin proposes to arm and provide a large army with a total militarization of the economy under the slogan: Everything for the front, everything for victory. How is victory? Prigozhin draws the initial plan for victory as follows: change the government in Kyiv and kiss Ukrainians on the f.... I didn’t like this plan, because kissing on the f... Ukrainians would have to me. And now what is our plan for the Ukrainian rear seat? Prigogine said nothing. And apparently V.V. there is no such plan. And this is the second reason for his peacefulness and the absence of plans for a global victory in relation to Ukraine, well, we will win, and then? .. But Strelkov-Girkin has such a plan. In an interview where Strelkov-Girkin was asked, how are we going to carry out denazification in Ukraine, where 90% of the Nazis are now? S.-G. said: so what, in Germany for Hitler, too, in the 45th 90% was and nothing was denazified. Logics! In 45, we carried out denazification in Germany after it invaded the territory of the USSR, killed two tens of millions of civilians, ten million soldiers defending their country. And on the territory of Germany, when we got there, we saw dozens of concentration camps where millions of Jews and millions of Soviet prisoners of war were killed. 90 percent of the Germans who are for Hitler organized excursions to concentration camps, where they showed mountains of children's shoes, the owners of which perished in the crematorium ovens. So that they have a sense of guilt and the need for denazification. What will we present to the Ukrainians to justify the need for their denazification? Portrait of Bandera? It will not be enough. Shelling of Donetsk? But Russia recognized the Donbass as the territory of Ukraine until the autumn of 22. We also shelled Grozny, and so that it was turned into ruins and civilians also died. Can we show Ukrainians the ruins of Donetsk? So with denazification in Ukraine it is hopeless.
    1. In passing Offline In passing
      In passing (Galina Rožkova) 27 May 2023 22: 29
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      "Movement to Europe"? It's just that the majority hopes for a freebie,
      from European funds, some hope that Europe "will sort out their troubles with their hands", some have set their sights on emigration. And practically no one understands that Europe will close production - competitors, introduce strict rules. That there will be forced mass emigration. And this is in a country of "legalized corruption." By the way, agriculture will also go under the knife, because competitors. The land has already been sold, the forest, in fact, too. The country is impoverished, the states support the social sphere and the army. No EU will ever accept such a "gift", they will only promise. The Turks will soon be waiting for the EU for half a century. But in NATO - instantly.
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  21. Petr7 Offline Petr7
    Petr7 (Petr7) 30 May 2023 22: 37
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    since February 25, 2022, a course has not been taken for negotiations with the Kyiv regime instead of mobilization in February-March

    Completely disagree! It was precisely the Kiev side that did not want negotiations. And yes, the War could not have been avoided in any case, only in a much worse situation.
    1. hellman anton Offline hellman anton
      hellman anton (hellman anton) 31 May 2023 07: 45
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      Just the nonsense of a madman, a Ukrainian has never been flooded into the Crimea. They built fortified areas in the Donbass, apparently for an attack, right? They are stupid, of course.)
      It would be suicidal for them to start first, but the brilliant geostrategist gave them everything they could. Not to mention the complete declusion in the information war.
      There is not even any evidence that Ukraine was preparing something there. They didn’t even come to the UN with a test tube, they work so mediocre. For some reason, "well, stupid USA" somehow justified their aggression.
      CBO is going according to plan and ahead of schedule, we are cracking like nuts