Prigozhin revealed the losses of PMC "Wagner" in Artemovsk and gave a forecast for the further course of the NMD

24 May 2023 44

Yevgeny Prigozhin in an interview with a diplomat and policies Konstantin Dolgov spoke frankly about the losses of the opposing sides during the battle for Artemovsk (Bakhmut) and shared his thoughts on the further development of the situation.

According to the head of a private military company, during the liberation of Artemovsk, the PMC lost 10 thousand full-time fighters and the same number of former prisoners. The Armed Forces of Ukraine missed about 50 thousand soldiers killed, 50-70 thousand Ukrainian servicemen were injured.

By June 1, the “orchestras” must transfer Artemovsk to the jurisdiction of the RF Ministry of Defense, and if the regular forces do not hold it, this will completely discredit the RF Armed Forces and show the combat advantage of the Wagner PMC.

Prigozhin noted that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are currently one of the most combat-ready armies in the world, which effectively works with both Soviet and modern weapons. At the same time, Ukrainian fighters are highly motivated, as the USSR once was during the Great Patriotic War.

To protect Russia's own territory, it is necessary to use, in particular, territorial defense, the detachments of which should be under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defense. The head of the defense department can be General Mizintsev, and the chief of the General Staff - Surovikin. The state should abandon "cheers-patriotism" and pay more attention to real facts in order to make more informed decisions.

Yevgeny Prigozhin believes that there are two scenarios for the development of the situation. The optimistic and unlikely one is that the West will “get tired” of the Ukrainian conflict, Beijing will mediate in the negotiations, and all parties will agree to new Russian territorial acquisitions.

The pessimistic and most realistic scenario, the head of the PMC considers a long war, during which Ukraine will receive powerful long-range missiles. A well-prepared and motivated UAF will attack and strive to reach the 2014 borders. At the same time, martial law will have to be introduced in the Russian Federation, new waves of mobilization will be announced, industry will be put on a military footing, stop “fatting” and build costly infrastructure facilities. At the initial stage, it is necessary to stabilize the front, and then move on to active actions.

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Perun61

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24 May 2023 11: 12

20! Tin! I was hoping for much less of our losses.
Plus the Ministry of Defense, the National Guard, volunteers, the people's militia of the DPR, LPR.
How much total?
40? 000?
Who will name the total losses of Russia?
1. isofat
  
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  24 May 2023 23: 15
  
  Perunand who told you that?
  1. Perun61
    
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    25 May 2023 08: 12
    
    What did you say? What are the losses of PMCs 20?
    Prigogine said in an interview. Are you suggesting that he not believe, but believe the talking head from the Moscow Region or the talking mustache from the Kremlin?
    1. isofat
      
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      25 May 2023 08: 39
      
      Dear, where did you read this interview? Here is an article by an anonymous author, where only his words, not Prigogine's.
      1. Perun61
        
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        25 May 2023 08: 59
        
        The entire Internet is littered with a video of this interview, where Prigozhin himself says what the article says. Have you heard about the Internet? Or are you, bots, forbidden to use the search?
        
        isofat
        
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        25 May 2023 09: 46
        
        Perun, the Internet is littered with a lot of things, but you cannot find a link to this interview. It's as simple as you say.
        
        Pembo
        
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        25 May 2023 11: 48
        
        Dolgov was fired the day after the interview, bluntly saying that because of the interview. Yes, the numbers are terrible, and these are our best troops, the most skilled and the most motivated. Dear turbopatriots, estimate how many Artemovsks are in Ukraine.
        
        Leontrotsky
        
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        25 May 2023 16: 14
        
        There are many Artyomovsks, but there are not a lot of crests either. 20 against 000 and this is pushing through the defense. In general, the losses are acceptable If there is a war going on, and not a cricket game.
        
        isofat
        
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        25 May 2023 19: 37
        
        Journalist Konstantin Dolgov planned to leave the Cart Online project even before the interview with businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin, the contract with him expired on April 16, the channel representative said, commenting on Dolgov's video message, in which he accused the project of his unexpected dismissal immediately after the interview with the entrepreneur. As evidence, the channel published the text of the service agreement and a screenshot from the working chat, in which the journalist thanked his colleagues on May 7 for the good work.
        
        https://news.ru/internet-smi/kanal-telega-online-prokommentiroval-skandalnyj-uhod-dolgova/
        
        Pembo, listened to Prigozhin, he reports more than ten thousand dead for Artyomovsk, somewhere around the forty-eighth minute, full version.
        The author's article distorts the sounded information.
        
        https://rutube.ru/video/ce51f415cd22f5fb53b0ce2a5127efac/
        
        Pembo
        
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        26 May 2023 17: 16
        
        Quote: isofat
        Journalist Konstantin Dolgov planned to leave the Cart Online project even before the interview with businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin, the contract with him expired on April 16, the channel representative said, commenting on Dolgov's video message, in which he accused the project of his unexpected dismissal immediately after the interview with the entrepreneur. As evidence, the channel published the text of the service agreement and a screenshot from the working chat, in which the journalist thanked his colleagues on May 7 for the good work.
        
        https://news.ru/internet-smi/kanal-telega-online-prokommentiroval-skandalnyj-uhod-dolgova/
        
        Pembo, listened to Prigozhin, he reports more than ten thousand dead for Artyomovsk, somewhere around the forty-eighth minute, full version.
        The author's article distorts the sounded information.
        
        https://rutube.ru/video/ce51f415cd22f5fb53b0ce2a5127efac/
        
        Thank you, this is certainly more comforting, but we in Afghanistan have lost 9 thousand in 15 years. This is less than 5 people per day. Hundreds of thousands of people. Losses killed 6,5%. And here 45 people a day. 10 thousand in 224 days. group of fifty thousand. Losses killed 20%. Yes, this is a different war, but such a difference!
        
        Perun61
        
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        25 May 2023 12: 30
        
        For the special ones who are not allowed to use the internet:
        https://vk.com/video-213181913_456306028
        
        During the operation, I "selected" 50 thousand prisoners, of whom about 20% died. They died exactly the same number as those who came to us under the contract - without a zone.
  2. lord-palladore-11045
    
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    25 May 2023 12: 22
    
    - this is the interview, though not complete
    1. isofat
      
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      25 May 2023 20: 08
      
      lord-palladore-11045, the full lasts more than an hour, an hour and a half. Prigozhin took up politics, the interview is controversial. There are enough of those moments. Apparently Zelensky's team had to be kissed in the ass, that's when the SVO began.
2. bonifacius
  
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  25 May 2023 00: 38
  
  Well, he won’t say that the losses of PMCs are 1000 people. What actual losses only Prigogine knows. And of course they won't make it public. And why such figures were made public, you need to know what is written in the contract between PMCs and the Moscow Region.
3. Monster_Fat
  
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  25 May 2023 09: 26
  
  Strelkov has a completely different alignment. According to him, the loss is 1:1 ....
borisvt

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24 May 2023 12: 18

Hmm.
In my humble opinion, there is a third option: to scare the insolent West in a serious, bold way, in contrast to the current "one step forward and two steps back." A two-move mover, if in chess - a blow to the territory of the most daring NATO country and a subsequent statement that the next blow will be to a pentagon in America, an ultimatum, that is
1. Carmela
  
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  24 May 2023 14: 07
  
  Quote from borisvt
  strike on the territory of the most daring NATO country and the subsequent statement that the next strike will be on the pentagon on the territory of America, an ultimatum, that is
  
  And why do you think that they will not answer after our first strike?
  1. Andrew13
    
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    24 May 2023 20: 25
    
    Of course, you can’t do that! We will patiently wait for it to be applied to us, but even after that we will say, we are not like that, there will be no answer! This whining is our EVERYTHING!
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    2. isofat
      
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      25 May 2023 08: 49
      
      Andrew no noah, who is unbearable and does not want to wait, he is already at war with Bandera.
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  3. Leontrotsky
    
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    25 May 2023 16: 16
    
    But because in this case it will fly along the pentagon. Are they ready to accept the Sarmatians for the sake of conditional Poland?
    1. strange guest
      
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      25 May 2023 18: 27
      
      Quote: Leontrotsky
      But because in this case it will fly along the pentagon. Are they ready to accept the Sarmatians for the sake of conditional Poland?
      
      And FIG knows them. Familiarize yourself at your leisure with how the Americans tested nuclear weapons on THEIR troops. So maybe they don't feel sorry for anyone.
  4. Ksv
    
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    27 May 2023 18: 36
    
    Neither the French nor the Germans nor the Americans nor the Angles will die for Poland, that's a fact! the only question is the strength of the nuclear strike on the territory of Poland, the main thing is that it should not be excessive and that the wind rose should not go to the above countries
2. Raymond
  
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  24 May 2023 20: 10
  
  But in your humble opinion, why do you think that Wagner's boss, i.e. the one who is most capable at the moment, did not mention this possible solution number 3?
Kulikov Victor

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24 May 2023 21: 02

In the Kremlin - a lethargic dream. How can you fight the world evil-devil in American guise, having witches and demons in your ranks. Russia is heading towards the abyss. Completely discredited, especially against the backdrop of recent events in the Belgorod region, Shoigu and Gerasimov for some reason are still kept in their positions, as if cynically mocking the opinion of ordinary citizens. When will they be kicked out? And the Americans are still deliberately "cooking the frog", gradually raising the level of conflict. Time is now playing against Russia. The "fifth column" in the Kremlin prevents attacks on railway bridges and tunnels. Russia and Ukraine are suffering horrendous losses, which, in fact, is the main goal of the Americans in this conflict.
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2. Monster_Fat
  
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  25 May 2023 13: 46
  
  How can you fight the world evil-devil in American guise, having witches and demons in your ranks
  
  Maybe first stop consuming the hallucinogens from the zomboyaschik? And stop listening to the pseudo-religious nonsense of the modern type of "ideologists"? Look at yourself in the mirror and critically rethink what is happening?
k7k8

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24 May 2023 23: 06

Here, special people strongly minus me when I voiced approximately the same number, based solely on open data
isofat

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24 May 2023 23: 12

Where is the link to the policy of Konstantin Dolgov?
radvas

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24 May 2023 23: 24

So what did Prigogine say wrong? He is at the front, he knows the topic. It's time for Shoigu to resign, but he himself will not leave, and the GDP may not have the determination to send him to the dacha. All hope is that GDP understands the extreme nature of the situation. It is necessary to put "Suvorov-Zhukov. He is definitely in Russia!
1. isofat
  
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  24 May 2023 23: 40
  
  Igorwhat Prigogine said, we were told by an anonymous author. The link in this article does not add credibility to it. The first comment we see is the only one for that commenter.
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2. Vladimir80
  
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  25 May 2023 08: 47
  
  Where to find Suvorov today, in addition, he will need Shpagins, Koshkins and Lavochkins ... but they are definitely not there
3. Constantine N
  
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  25 May 2023 09: 55
  
  Prigogine does not look at what is happening in a broader sense, and therefore he argues in military terms.
Jacques sekavar

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25 May 2023 00: 02

20 killed for the settlement of Bakhmut, and how many will die if they reach Kharkov or Odessa?
If the regular army does not hold this Bakhmut, then it will completely discredit the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the entire command in bulk.
Prigozhin noted that Ukrainian fighters are highly motivated, as the USSR once did during the Great Patriotic War, which does not fit with the information of the Russian propaganda industry, and if two people talk about the same thing in different ways, one of them is lying. I wonder who?
Arguments in favor of territorial defense, the detachments of which should be under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defense, are debatable, because. there are border troops, the National Guard, the Ministry of Emergency Situations. Maybe it is worth thinking about reforming all these structures, rather than creating a new one?
Discord in the Russian Defense Ministry, especially during a war, must be nipped in the bud, and this is the prerogative of the leader. If, nevertheless, they do take place, and problems with the provision of shells by the same Wagner PMC testify to this, radical solutions must be taken.
The first scenario is clearly from the realm of fantasy.
The first part of the second scenario is “Ukraine will receive powerful long-range missiles. Well-prepared and motivated Armed Forces of Ukraine will attack and strive to reach the borders of 2014” from the field of reality, but the second part - from the field of “Obvious-Incredible”.
1. Kuziming
  
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  25 May 2023 06: 17
  
  The opponent's motivation is his personal problem. The Germans and Japanese in World War II had a very high motivation. And there are not many resources. And the Americans defeated the Japanese with poor motivation, but with great resources and a huge air fleet.
2. isofat
  
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  25 May 2023 08: 55
  
  Jacques sekavaruse verified information.
Oleg Apushkin

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25 May 2023 06: 37

Yes, for 1 object the numbers are not encouraging.
Dmitry Volkov

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25 May 2023 07: 34

Well, if these numbers are real, the future belongs to private armies
1. Fourth
  
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  25 May 2023 21: 31
  
  Dmitry Volkov, who will feed them, private armies?
Vladimir80

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25 May 2023 08: 44

With all due respect to the EVP and VG, he, as a commercial director, must advertise his company. According to indirect signs, the losses are comparable and so far not critical for either side.
cooper

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25 May 2023 09: 56

Completely stop - harshly - all the main routes / means of delivery of Western weapons and completely deprive the Ukrainians of electricity. (Russia has everything necessary for this). All! The war will end with the fall of Nazi Ukraine almost immediately. It is only a matter of the political will of our leadership ..
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Serrrgay

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25 May 2023 13: 36

Quote: Carmela
Quote from borisvt
strike on the territory of the most daring NATO country and the subsequent statement that the next strike will be on the pentagon on the territory of America, an ultimatum, that is

And why do you think that they will not answer after our first strike?

and a third time):
1. 200 days per town and 20 lives. How many will be required for the whole of Ukraine!
2. The authorities are shouting that our enemy is the West, but they are forcing us to fight with our neighbor.
3. The third point follows from the previous one: why did you decide that 100 people with a budget of 100 rubles will overcome 1000 people with a budget of 1000 rubles?
Flight

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25 May 2023 16: 05

As far as I understand, PMCs are officially banned. Therefore, hiring in them goes gray. The numbers can be called whatever you like, it is unrealistic to check. My opinion, the number of losses is taken from the ceiling.
1. Vladimir80
  
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  25 May 2023 21: 20
  
  the number of losses is taken from the ceiling
  
  not quite from the ceiling, but so that they could believe in the said amount, and of course say that Ukrainians have twice the loss ....
  1. isofat
    
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    25 May 2023 23: 09
    
    Vladimir80, and they have two times lower?
    1. Vladimir80
      
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      26 May 2023 06: 59
      
      Are they twice as low? laughing
      
      most likely, about the same ... or slightly lower (because they were defending)
      ps as an example - you can recall the capture of the soledar, there was also a lot of noise that there were huge APU losses in the city (up to 10 tons), and according to the video after the capture - there were APU losses, but ten times less than declared
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