German journalist showed the wreckage of the allegedly downed Russian missile "Dagger"

10 May 2023 33

Paul Ronzheimer, a journalist for the German newspaper Bild, showed fragments of fallen and downed Russian missiles, among which was the alleged warhead of the Kh-47 Kinzhal missile.

Today we managed to see fragments of the Kinzhal missile shot down by the Patriot system in Kyiv. It became a sensation as the hypersonic missile was considered Putin's miracle weapon. Parts are being reviewed right now.

Paul Ronzheimer wrote.

Recall that today we reported that the Pentagon speaker confirmed information about the defeat of the "Dagger" by the American Patriot air defense system under the control of the Ukrainian military. The United States would greatly benefit from such information, as it enhances the reputation of American weapons.

However, many military experts doubt the reliability of the published information.

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Alex D

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10 May 2023 18: 50

And la "give up, rus".
Dust

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10 May 2023 19: 01

If they had really been shot down, then specialists from the United States would have taken it to America long ago, and would not have demonstrated it publicly.
Rustam 86

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10 May 2023 19: 05

It's probably worth hitting Zelensky's bunker to check the operation of the American air defense system. So to say otvetochka with verification.
Dmitry Volkov

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10 May 2023 19: 06

Well, as a military pilot, it’s just ridiculous for me, after flying at Mach 10, the factory paint remained on the rocket, but at Mach 3.5 on the MiG-25, all the paint was already burned and the glass lantern was silver from melting, and here everything is green, maybe this is a rocket from Iskander, but the shape of the nose does not match, based on the thickness of the metal shirt of the possible warhead, it all looks like a 3000 kg guided air bomb, something like this
1. Kristallovich
  
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  10 May 2023 19: 49
  
  You, as a "military pilot", should have known that this is a warhead shell, and not a missile shell.
  1. Dmitry Volkov
    
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    11 May 2023 08: 42
    
    Are you envious? I flew, I saw the world, and you rub the sofa
    And for understanding, on the nose of Iskander there is a ballistic cone in which equipment is possible and it is no worse than a warhead shirt in strength ..
    1. Kristallovich
      
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      11 May 2023 09: 27
      
      I do not envy the narrow-minded. This is the first. Second: you are the same pilot as I am an astronaut. You don't even know the nomenclature. The radio-transparent cone is the lightest part of the shell of any modern rocket, because it is made either of fiberglass or ceramic, as is the case with the "Dagger". The strength characteristics there are minimal, the fairings do not withstand shock loads and are destroyed when they collide with a solid object.
      1. Dmitry Volkov
        
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        11 May 2023 12: 08
        
        There is no radio-transparent cone, you are my sofa commander, at a speed of Mach 10 the temperature on your radio-transparent cone is like in the sun, and this cone is multi-layered, and if this were true, then when it hit the warhead, the rocket would all detonate, and it's time to know that at a speed of 10 or more Machs, the rocket is shrouded in plasma, which is not what! it doesn’t let the signals through, which is why the Westerners have never been able to create such a weapon and will not create it ...
        
        Kristallovich
        
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        12 May 2023 09: 59
        
        There is no radio transparent cone
        
        You know, it's interesting to argue with a smart person, and not with such "formers" as you. In the photo of the fallen "Dagger" in Stavropol, the RLGSN antenna is extremely clearly visible. So you can share your "expert" guesses that the rocket does not have a radio-transparent fairing in the local children's magazine of a novice designer.
        
        it's time to know that at a speed of 10 or more Machs, the rocket is shrouded in plasma, which is nothing! does not pass signals
        
        You can also leave this for the kids. "Dagger" in the final section of the flight significantly slows down, just in time to make a correction for the target. This is evidenced by all the videos of tests of this rocket published by the Ministry of Defense. Her arrival is recorded by a conventional camera, even without slow motion. At Mach 12, this can't happen. The Kinzhal, like the Iskander ballistic missile, essentially arrives at the target at the speed of a normal free fall, and in the terminal phase of the flight, it probably flies at a declared speed of about Mach 10.
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2. Dust
  
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  11 May 2023 15: 31
  
  Today, military experts have confirmed that this is not a dagger, but the remains of a fab-500.
k7k8

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10 May 2023 19: 12

Now compare the bullshit that is given out as the "Dagger" warhead in the video, with the photo of the "Dagger" on the suspension of a combat aircraft
https://rg.ru/2023/02/19/neotrazim-i-bet-bez-promaha-v-chem-preimushchestvo-rossijskih-giperzvukovyh-raket-kinzhal.html
But in general, let them think that they shot down the "Dagger". No matter what the child amuses, if only she does not cry.
1. Kristallovich
  
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  10 May 2023 19: 53
  
  You are trying to compare the snake with a hedgehog. In the video, the shell of the warhead, which is INSIDE the rocket. What you are going to compare with (the nose of the rocket) is generally a radio-transparent fairing. This is not a combat unit!
  1. k7k8
    
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    10 May 2023 20: 16
    
    For some reason I am sure that you have never seen a real BB.
    Z.Y. Oh, how you want it to be really "Dagger".
    1. Kristallovich
      
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      10 May 2023 20: 28
      
      Already a number of facts indicate that this is a "Dagger".
      
      For some reason I am sure that you have never seen a real BB.
      
      The warhead of this missile has already been seen by many, because it fell abnormally on the territory of the Stavropol Territory. It was in September last year. Frames at one time were distributed on the Web.
      1. k7k8
        
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        10 May 2023 21: 23
        
        Yes, even if this is the "Dagger" warhead (which I personally deeply doubt), then its appearance in the frame could only be the result of abnormal operation of the rocket. With modern technologies, it is impossible to shoot down a warhead moving at a speed of ~ 4 km / s either on a catch-up or on an oncoming trajectory. And you openly claim that this can be done by a complex armed with missiles with a maximum speed of 2,2 km / s, which entered combat duty in 1982, when there was talk of hypersound only in smoking rooms and at the level of pseudo-scientific chatter. In order to shoot down an object moving at the speed of the Kinzhal warhead, it is necessary to create a cloud of submunitions a few meters in front of this object, i.e. get almost into this object. We will not delve further into the theory of probability and the basics of combat use.
        
        Kristallovich
        
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        11 May 2023 08: 34
        
        Shooting down a warhead moving at a speed of ~ 4 km / s is impossible with modern technologies.
        
        Tricky question. Here's a video from MO. The arrival of the "Dagger" is clearly visible. Do you see ~4km/s here? Do you even imagine what kind of speed this is and whether such an ammunition can "catch" the camera?
        
        k7k8
        
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        11 May 2023 13: 15
        
        Quote: Kristallovich
        Tricky question
        
        Backfill answer. Actually, 4km / s is 12M, which is the maximum speed of the "Dagger" in terms of performance characteristics.
        
        Kristallovich
        
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        12 May 2023 10: 05
        
        Kind of a solid answer. Your conversion exercises are very interesting, of course, but why are you writing this to me at all? Above, you state that it is impossible to shoot down a rocket traveling at a speed of Mach 12. I'm clearly showing you that the "Dagger" in the final section of the trajectory slows down, and significantly. Therefore, there is nothing stopping him from being knocked down. The ERINT SAM from the MIM-104 Patriot PAC-3 air defense system works just for such purposes.
Pacer

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10 May 2023 21: 23
Quote: Kristallovich
Already a number of facts indicate that this is a "Dagger".

Disappointment again: a BetAB-500ShP concrete-piercing bomb without a rocket part was identified in the Kinzhal from the video of the Armed Forces of Ukraine...
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2. DeadPahom
  
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  10 May 2023 22: 56
  
  BetAB was inside the Dagger. Do not disgrace!
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3. Kristallovich
  
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  11 May 2023 08: 42
  
  Well, if you see BetAB-500ShP there, then you definitely have vision problems.
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Pacer

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11 May 2023 00: 06
Quote from DeadPahom
BetAB was inside the Dagger.

and finally it is a land-protective color ...

No more Hyunmoo-2
Guess which is more suitable -

And never a Dagger, VKSos light-ball color
Skipper

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11 May 2023 01: 32

You have to be a complete idiot to believe this nonsense and lies. this blank looks more like a shell from a World War 1 battleship than any missile. ! The Dagger's nose is generally narrow and cone-shaped .. and in the photo there is a shell-type blank.
1. k7k8
  
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  11 May 2023 03: 13
  
  Here, with persistence worthy of a better use, some are trying to prove that this is really the "Dagger" BB, and the shape is such because there is not enough radio-transparent fairing. Let's assume so. Then why on the side surface of this piece (where there should no longer be any fairing) are clearly visible paint inscriptions of a clearly non-technological nature, which, when flying at a speed of 12M, should have stupidly burned out? Or, for this one-time inscription, they used expensive paint that can withstand temperatures under 2000 Celsius, so that the adversary could find out exactly what hit him by the unburned GRAU index? By the way, there are no index inscriptions on the body of the "Dagger" (the real one), only technological marks.
  1. Kristallovich
    
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    11 May 2023 08: 53
    
    Here's a diagram of what it looks like. Find the warhead, understand where it is located.
    1. Horon
      
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      11 May 2023 13: 57
      
      Sir! Why the hell did you drag a subsonic cruise missile as proof of the conformity of the "dagger" shapes! These wings on a rocket will fly off at 4M! Have you tried going to school?
      1. Kristallovich
        
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        12 May 2023 10: 08
        
        This is a diagram of the structure of all modern guided missiles. It doesn't matter what it is - "Caliber", "Iskander", "Dagger", X-31, etc. The scheme is the same: first, the missile control unit under the nose radio-transparent fairing, then the warhead itself. And nothing else.
2. Kristallovich
  
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  11 May 2023 08: 36
  The problem of the majority is that they compare warheads with a radio-transparent fairing. Here is a diagram of the same "Tomahawk" for you, purely for example. Try to find the fairing and the warhead itself. Maybe it will finally come.
Sergey_2

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11 May 2023 08: 21

The American general said that the Patriot system shot down a Russian missile, but did not specify which one. He emphasized the answer that the system is effective against Russian missiles. Although the question was asked specifically about the Dagger, he deftly dodged a direct answer.
Pacer

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11 May 2023 09: 44
Quote: k7k8
clearly visible paint inscriptions are clearly not of a technological nature

... and obliquely written
M.b. Persians or Sevkorean friends painted?
Siegfried

+2

11 May 2023 12: 21

This is just proof of a fake. The downed Dagger is so interesting to the West that its fragments, every screw, would already be in the USA. And here in the country there is evidence of the moronic ukroreikh lying around.
KLNM

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11 May 2023 12: 28

100% fake, Klitschko showed a photo next to a rocket that is lower than him, but in fact the dagger is twice as tall as the dumb-headed Klitschko. Typical divorce, fodder for zombies and dumb-headed DBs.
1. Monster_Fat
  
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  11 May 2023 13: 33
  
  It's unpleasant when the next "has no analogues" turned out to be- Understand. It’s hard to give up what has been blown into your ears for so many years and on which conceit and pride in the “we can repeat” style were built ... Look, Prigozhin is still asking for ordinary shells ...
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