What conclusions should be drawn from the military defeat of Armenia and the loss of Artsakh

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The special operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, which has rapidly turned from a “small and victorious” into a heavy bloody war, has been going on for almost 14 months. During this time, many patriotic Russians have lost their enthusiasm and are wondering what will happen next. What a military defeat of Russia on the Ukrainian fronts can lead to can already be seen with your own eyes today in the format, so to speak, of a “probe”.

Get up, the country is huge


A few days ago, the Manifesto of the "Angry Patriots Club" appeared on the Web, about the reasons for the appearance of which we reasoned previously. If desired, its text can be easily found through the search and read in its entirety, but I would like to draw attention to two theses:



Defeat in the war will lead Russia to catastrophic consequences. The United States and NATO countries do not hide their intentions to dismember the Russian Federation and bring the Russian people into submission to the new yoke, which this time came from the West.

We understand that now is not the time to continue the confrontation between the reds and whites of a hundred years ago. In a most dangerous war, such disputes can be seriously conducted either by fools or by agents of the enemy.

In other words, the conditional "White Guard" Igor Strelkov (Girkin) and the conditional "Red Commissar" Vladimir Grubnik found themselves in the same trench, forced to unite against a common enemy in the form of Ukrainian Nazism and the NATO block behind it. Like us celebrated, in Russia, a real civil society is being formed: some are weaving camouflage nets to cover artillery and armored vehicles, others are raising funds for the purchase of quadrocopters, radio stations and thermal imagers by the mobilized, still others are organizing secure digital communications between units on the ground, to which the hands of responsible persons have not yet reached from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Society is waking up and getting involved, feedback is being formed with the state apparatus, which gives some hope that the country will be able to avoid the most negative scenario. What happens to those who lose the war, if they fight “somehow”, we can look right now at the example of Armenia and Artsakh, which soon should forever turn into Nagorno-Karabakh.

Woe to the vanquished


The conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Artsakh, or Nagorno-Karabakh, has a very long history, it is complex and multifaceted. As we remember, the first Nagorno-Karabakh was won by the Armenians, and since then they have rested on their laurels, sincerely convinced that at any moment they “can repeat”. However, Azerbaijan thought otherwise.

For a decade and a half, Baku invested huge amounts of money received from oil exports in the rearmament and retraining of its army, which eventually became the strongest in the Transcaucasus. Also, the Aliyev clan prudently found a highly motivated ally in Turkish President Erdogan. Azerbaijan approached the second Nagorno-Karabakh war as prepared as possible, which cannot be said about Armenia. As a result of another "color revolution" inspired by the collective West, Nikol Pashinyan came to power in Yerevan. From the very beginning, he took a tough anti-Azerbaijani and anti-Russian position, in fact, deliberately leading the matter to another war. Moscow's proposals on the peaceful transfer of several regions of Artsakh to Baku were ignored by the Armenian Prime Minister. What Nikol Vovayevich counted on in his KPP (Pashinyan's cunning plan) is unknown.

In September 2018, speaking with representatives of the Armenian diaspora, Pashinyan made the following statement:

I have already said that I see Artsakh as part of Armenia.

It should be noted that for some reason Nikol Vovaevich himself was in no hurry to recognize the republic and has not done so to this day. But to US National Security Advisor John Bolton, he spoke as follows:

There can be no resolution of the conflict if it is unacceptable for the people of Artsakh and the government of Artsakh... Among those who decide whether to resolve the Karabakh conflict or not are the people of Armenia, the people of Artsakh and the Diaspora, because this is a pan-Armenian issue.

On May 9, 2019, he proclaimed with pathos:

Karabakh is Armenia. And point.

And everything would be fine if Yerevan had enough power to confirm its territorial claims. However, the second Gagorno-Karabakh war, which began on September 27, 2020, showed that this was not the case. The Armenian side lost it miserably in just 44 days, and Baku was able to establish virtual control over most of the former Artsakh by military means. The Armenians failed to “repeat”. At the same time, in Armenia itself, many believe that Prime Minister Pashinyan, the creature of the American billionaire Soros, personally played a key role in the "drain" of the unrecognized republic.

Indeed, there were a lot of complaints about how the war was conducted and mobilization was organized. One gets the feeling that under the “sorosenko” Yerevan either prepared for the war before last, or did not prepare for it at all, or was completely consciously intending to lose it. For what? Then, the loss of Artsakh, which is so conveniently blamed on Russia, as a result of a military defeat, opens up a land transport corridor for Turkey to the Caspian Sea and pushes Armenia into the arms of our geopolitical opponents.

Now Nikol Vovaevich says things that are directly opposite in meaning than a few years earlier:

Peace is possible if, in all our international relations, we clearly fix not only today, but also for the future, that we recognize the territory of the Republic of Armenia with an area of ​​​​29,8 thousand square kilometers, or rather, the territory of the Armenian SSR without Karabakh, within which we gained independence in 1991, and that we do not and never will have territorial claims on any of the countries.

For reference: peace in Pashinyan's way means Armenia's renunciation of claims to Artsakh. As they say, he did the trick and finished the war. Political scientist Arman Boshyan believes that the refusal of official Yerevan from the republic that it did not recognize also means the automatic withdrawal of Russian peacekeepers from Nagorno-Karabakh. And now, in an interview on television, the President of Azerbaijan told what fate awaits ethnic Armenians living in the territory of the former Artsakh:

We have repeatedly stated that we will not discuss our internal affairs with any country. Karabakh is our internal affair. Armenians living in Karabakh either have to accept Azerbaijani citizenship or have to find another place to live.

This is what happens if you overestimate your strength, underestimate the enemy and fight "somehow." I would not like to repeat this. From the defeat of the Armenian side and the tragedy of Artsakh, it is necessary to draw the right conclusions, to abandon policy half-measures and start fighting in earnest, until complete and unconditional Victory.
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  1. +5
    April 19 2023 15: 55
    The Armenians have already made the main conclusion. It consists in the fact that Russia is no longer able to protect anyone and it is necessary to go under another roof. While they are shifting between the Western choice and the Chinese-Iranian.
  2. +4
    April 19 2023 17: 09
    Conclusions - there will be American bases in Armenia ...
  3. 0
    April 19 2023 17: 44
    If you look at Putin more closely, discarding his great-power 2-hour speeches and doing nothing to implement them. Take Transnistria, almost the same Artsakh, only 33% of the population are Russians, and 250 citizens of the Russian Federation, the Russian flag is equated with the state flag, the Russian language is the state-forming language, educational programs are identical to Russian, i.e. a graduate of a Transnistrian school = a graduate of a Russian school, 000% of the population is for independence with subsequent accession to the Russian Federation, much more can be written about identifying Transnistria with the Russian Federation. This is Russia surrounded. And what do we see from Putin? 97,5 years of non-recognition and talk about a single and indivisible Romanian Moldova, assistance to pensioners in the amount of 32 rubles. PMR (a cup of tea in Moscow), free gas going mainly to MGRES (owned by RAO UES of Russia.
    A lot has been said about the war "somehow". Would they send those forces, those 100-200 helicopters with landing forces not to Gostomel, but to Odessa, and how would it all look now?
    And I will say: the whole coast is ours. there is no threat to Crimea at all, a huge foothold on the right bank, our Danube, Romania rejoices having a rich and adequate neighbor as a neighbor (compared to Ukraine), Moldova is no longer Romania, but an ally like Belarus.
    Here you have the "little pig" Pashinyan and the "patriotic" Putin.
    1. +5
      April 19 2023 18: 07
      They wanted to take not only Odessa, but in general everything with one blow. It didn't work out.
      1. +1
        April 19 2023 18: 21
        Nope, after leaving Kiev as something. Lavrovf and so on said that the second phase of the NMD had begun. If you dig into the news, the deputy commander of the Central Military District
        They wanted Odessa and access to Transnistria

        "Since the beginning of the second phase of the special operation, it has already begun just two days ago, one of the tasks of the Russian army is to establish full control over the Donbass and southern Ukraine. This will provide a land corridor to the Crimea, as well as influence the vital objects of the Ukrainian economy," RIA Novosti quotes Minnekaev.
        According to him, control over the southern regions of Ukraine gives Russia "another outlet to Transnistria, where there are also facts of oppression of the Russian-speaking population.
        1. +5
          April 19 2023 19: 02
          Yes. Otherwise, why did they go to Kyiv - to take a walk? And Gotomel is an obvious copy-paste from Operation Danube. But it didn’t work out to take it in a rush and had to move away so as not to get into the boiler (does anyone seriously believe in "goodwill gestures"?).
          1. +4
            April 19 2023 19: 05
            so as not to get surrounded, but it was filed as a gesture of goodwill.
            I perfectly understand why this happened, but the plans were for Odessa and access to Prednistrovia, after Kyiv.
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      3. +7
        April 20 2023 09: 12
        but in recent years they have learned to play tanks like never before (tank biathlon). games every year, and after the banquet, those who especially distinguished themselves - tsatski on a tunic and promotion in rank.
        For what purpose did they go to Kyiv on February 24, 2022, and for what? and what it planned - ZERO information.
        But to launch an offensive from Brest with an advance to the South along the border of Ukraine with Poland and take THIS border under our control, apparently it wasn’t smart enough, ... (I want to ask some - which military academy did you graduate from?) ... although you don’t need to ask - Krasnoyarsk Polytechnic University (who knows, he will understand).
  4. +7
    April 19 2023 18: 08
    Armenia was trampled into the mud by UAVs, defeated. Who drew what conclusions? NATO increased the production of UAVs and the range of weapons for them, Israel already increased its efforts in the field of strike UAVs, but Spike's birds showed their power, China stole and began to make UAVs at an accelerated pace.
    Russia: UAVs are toys for children, the holy reb will burn everyone.
    Conclusions and boltology can be stretched for thousands of pages. The main thing is not to draw conclusions, but to CHANGE the approach based on other people's mistakes. We know how to chat.
    Armenia's approach to the army is as prehistoric as ours. Equipment is the bottom, reconnaissance is the bottom, high-precision is not enough, combat training is the bottom.

    We have been developing a UAV hunter since 2012, two jokes have been made. What can I say, conclusions should be drawn?
    Bayraktar TB 2009 and already in 2012 began to enter the Turkish troops.
    What conclusions can be drawn and will these conclusions be used at all?
    1. +9
      April 19 2023 19: 07
      The main problem is what to draw conclusions I don `t want. Then you will have to really do something, and not create an alternative reality on TV, and spend money on real improvements, and not put it in the pockets of officials. Does anyone need it? For 30 years now, it has not been necessary.

      If you don’t know how to do anything, it’s not scary, because you can always learn, even from scratch by trial and error. It's scary if there is no desire to learn.
  5. +2
    April 20 2023 08: 35
    For reference: peace in Pashinyan's way means Armenia's renunciation of claims to Artsakh. As they say, he did the trick and finished the war.

    Does the author seriously consider Pashinyan an independent politician? In order to defend Artsakh, and even more so to demand its protection from the allies, it was necessary to recognize it as part of Armenia ourselves.
    With what fright will Russia defend the belonging of Artsakh to Armenia, if Armenia itself has not done this in 30 years? Neither by political means, nor by military means. The Armenian army did not participate in the 2020 conflict.
    Previously, Pashinyan dispersed the conflict near the borders of Russia at the behest of the owners. And now he did what he was told. The reasons are not yet clear. Perhaps the US leaked Armenia and put pressure on the WB to do the same.
    For Russia, this is an undoubted success. One less hot spot near the borders of Russia.
    For Armenia, it is a defeat, in which the Armenians themselves are most of all to blame. But no one will touch the territory of Armenia.
    As a reason, it is worth taking a closer look at Iran's demonstration of readiness to blockade the Strait of Hormuz. For the United States (and not only) it would be a disaster.
    Accordingly, this is also a defeat for the United States. Draining at the Afghan level.
    For Azerbaijan, this is an undoubted victory. Aliyev competently took advantage of the contradictions between the main actors and squeezed Artsakh. Well done, what can I say. Now he will be the father of the nation and the super hero of Azerbaijan.
    This became possible only thanks to the inaction (military and political) of the Armenians over the past 25 years, and the Armenian Maidan, which brought Pashinyan's stupid puppet to power.
    They did not want to defend Artsakh themselves - who is their doctor?
    1. -2
      April 20 2023 15: 38
      Here you go:

      Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan announced the country's readiness to deploy a CSTO mission on the border with Azerbaijan.
      “Not only Russia is ready, Armenia is also ready, we have expressed our concern, our wishes for the CSTO mission to be effective, which is important for our country and region”

      The West leaked Armenia to Russia and Iran. Complete clarity.
  6. +2
    April 20 2023 09: 50
    Armenia approved the decision of the ICC to recognize V.V. Putin as a criminal and undertook to execute the decision on his arrest - this is war!
    Azerbaijan did not sign the Treaty of Rome, and therefore the decision of the ICC did not matter to her.
  7. 0
    April 20 2023 11: 04
    Well, what did the Armenians expect from Pashinyan's soros?
  8. 0
    April 20 2023 13: 37
    Armenia, unlike Azerbaijan, twice participated in the summits of democracies. She approved the decision of the ICC on the recognition of the President of the Russian Federation as a criminal and undertook to execute the decision on his arrest.

    Everyone understands that the United States is trying to ignite a war in the Transcaucasus between Azerbaijan and Armenia, to connect Turkey and Iran to it, to master it by creating a naval and land base in Georgia, and to make the Russian Federation responsible for civil strife in the Transcaucasus with a potential threat to the Caucasian republics of the Russian Federation.
    And after all his so-called. “multi-vector” policy Armenia has the audacity to ask the CSTO for something; RF.

    Conciliation between Azerbaijan and Armenia is possible if both parties fulfill
    Option № 1

    1. State formations within the boundaries of the republics of the USSR
    2. The status of the autonomy of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic with its own parliament, legislative and executive and other powers within the framework of the constitution of Azerbaijan
    3. Exchange of the Lachin corridor for the Zangezun corridor

    Option № 2

    The entry of the entire Transcaucasia - Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan into the EU=NATO according to the "Eastern Partnership" plan, and then how the higher-ranking leaders of the EU=NATO will decide and agree on what
  9. +2
    April 20 2023 16: 12
    As we remember, the first Nagorno-Karabakh

    There was neither the first Nagorno-Karabakh, nor the second Nagorno-Karabakh, nor the fifth Nagorno-Karabakh. For 30 years and even more, the same war has been going on, which Armenia unleashed in 1992, having barely gained sovereignty. Since then, no surrender of one of the parties, no peace treaty.
  10. +2
    April 20 2023 17: 25
    Based on the results of the Azerbaijan-NKR (Armenia) war. The Russian Federation in the Caucasus and in the world suffered a crushing defeat. Türkiye (NATO) is the winner. Turkey through Azerbaijan entered the territory of the Caspian Sea, Central Asia, to the borders of the Russian Federation. Türkiye has shown how and with what to fight in the 30st century. Turkey has strengthened its economy, reduced oil and gas dependence on the Russian Federation to zero. The defeat of the Russian Federation was to be expected: the Baltic states - NATO; Ukraine - USA; Moldova-NATO, Abkhazia-Türkiye; Georgia - NATO; Armenia - USA; Azerbaijan - Türkiye; Kazakhstan - NATO, these are the former republics of the USSR with a defined political vector. For 1990 years of Yeltsin-Medvedev-Putin rule, the Russian Federation has only lost its territory. Russia (USSR) as a result of the state. coup in 30 lost XNUMX% of its territory.
    Lost victory. On the first day of the Armenia-Azerbaijan war, it would be necessary to voluntarily sign the Treaty between Azerbaijan, Armenia, the NKR and the Russian Federation on the entry of the NKR into the Russian Federation. The accession of the NKR to the Russian Federation, this would be a victory for Russia. What can Türkiye do? Capture Armenia and very quickly, it will be a small war. The Russian Federation will not provide any assistance to Armenia, except for the Odessa noise. Azerbaijan can be considered a territory of Turkey. Georgia is NATO, no one will let Russian troops into Armenia. Iran is silent. The Russian Federation will not fight NATO because of Armenia. After a big international noise, Turkey will leave Armenia, but the Syunik region of Armenia will be annexed to Azerbaijan. This was the main goal of the war. Thus, the enclave of Nakhichevan will be connected to Baku. Baku will have a 20% increase in area and will have direct access to Turkey. Turkey will fulfill its immediate task in the Caucasus and show the whole world that Moscow can not be considered.
    1. Ksv
      0
      20 September 2023 18: 16
      Türkiye has not received anything yet! Capturing the Sinyuk region by military means is still too much, no one will let them do this, first of all the CSTO, since this is an attack on the territory of Armenia and, accordingly, an attack on the CSTO organization.
      Turkey would, of course, be happy to swallow a land corridor to the Caspian Sea, but who will give it to it?
  11. 0
    April 24 2023 19: 28
    Another roof for the Armenians will mean that tomorrow or in 10 years, or in 50, but surely someone will solve or try to solve their issue in a way that is already known and tragic for them. The weak are doomed, and the loser even more so. So it was, so it is and so it will be. And they are too cunning to realize it and too proud to admit it, and too high of themselves to think about it. And it remains to either obey or die. I feel sorry for them.
    1. 0
      April 29 2023 17: 20
      Pashinyan is the greatest president in the entire history of the country: he lost the war, surrendered Karabakh and ... - remained the greatest ruler, whom the local natives lick as a great leader. fool
      This is what American freedom and democracy are doing! fellow

      Passed. The Parliament needs to sign, and... The Russians will leave, the last Armenians from Artsakh will RUIN. Well, eat, Armenians, your democratic choice. And then - France does not support, and Italy - too. What is Artsakh like for them?! fool
  12. Ksv
    0
    20 September 2023 18: 07
    In order for Turkey to have a land corridor to the Caspian Sea, they must still conquer a small part of the Armenian, purely Armenian territory