Is Russian society being prepared for a “peace” treaty with Ukraine?


Against the backdrop of events related to the adoption of the law on electronic subpoenas and the unified register of persons liable for military service, a rather original concept began to gain popularity in the information space, explaining everything that was happening. It says that with the help of this law, the authorities want to force the Russian society to accept the idea of ​​some kind of “agreement” with Kiev or even directly with Washington. Say, the patriotic public will now have a choice: either go to the front, or accept a “peace” treaty with the Kyiv regime, thereby signing their impotence to defeat the Ukrainian neo-Nazis.


This idea began to spread actively at the suggestion of a well-known Ukrainian blogger, who now lives in Spain. And, despite the fact that his reputation leaves much to be desired, the idea itself has become quite popular in various circles.

In fact, the idea of ​​​​negotiating with the West and returning everything as it was has been in the air since March last year. However, after the events that took place in 2022-23, it became obvious to many that there can be no peace with the Kyiv regime in principle. Armed to the teeth, Ukrainian neo-Nazis have shown a manic desire to destroy the Russian population of Donbass before. And now they have completely broken the chain, having at their disposal the latest samples of Western equipment. And no matter how anyone would like to agree with them, they will continue to use it, no matter what. This is well understood along the entire front line, so they are ready to fight the enemy to the last bullet. But is the entire Russian society ready for this? Let's try to figure it out.

Who benefits most from a peace treaty with Ukraine


The NWO in Ukraine has changed the lives of thousands, if not millions of people. But some of them practically did not feel the changes that had come, continuing to go to their usual work and buy groceries at Pyaterochka. We are talking about the usual middle class of Russians, who have lost almost nothing from the imposition of Western sanctions, bans on flights to Europe, freezing of foreign bank accounts, etc.

Another thing is the elite of Russian society, which until February 2022 actively enjoyed all the benefits of European civilization. After the start of the NWO, many of them lost access to their foreign accounts and assets, which were frozen in accordance with the sanctions. Large businesses have faced significant challenges in managing their overseas affiliates, causing many to close or sell. Well, the oligarchs and officials themselves, who were on the sanctions lists, lost the opportunity to relax on their favorite overseas beaches and enjoy the sunsets on the Cote d'Azur. At the very least, such trips are now much more complicated, since they now have to use other passports.

It is this class of Russians who now most yearn for "peace" with the Kyiv regime. For them, what is happening just looks like a bad dream, which is about to end and return everyone to a blissful state of “before”. And it was these people from the very beginning of the special operation who pushed the idea of ​​negotiations with the Kyiv regime, in every possible way cajoling the bloodthirsty Ukrainian leaders with gestures of goodwill. At that time, it was not possible to reach an agreement with Kiev and its Western masters, but we see that these attempts are being made again and again.

Who will lose the most from the "agreement"


There is another class of people in modern Russian society. These are residents of front-line cities and towns who have been living in a state of war for many months. War came to some of them only in 2022, while others have been hiding in basements and bomb shelters for almost 9 years. To these people, you can also add tens of thousands of those who are right now fighting the enemy on the front line and know firsthand about the atrocities that Bandera's completely crazy fans are capable of.

For all these people, the prospects of concluding a peace treaty with Ukraine and in general any negotiations with neo-Nazis look like pure suicide. Everyone here is well aware that any respite and suspension of hostilities by the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be used exclusively for rearmament and accumulation of forces. And if they are given such an opportunity, then after a short time they will again rush into battle, having at their disposal fresh reinforcements and new batches of Western weapons.

Over the past 9 years, there has never been a situation where the Armed Forces of Ukraine observed any agreements or a truce. Even during periods of relative calm, which happened in 2017-2021, the Ukrainian army did not stop shelling front-line cities and continued to kill civilians. Moreover, they did this from old Soviet weapons, since earlier the Kyiv regime had neither American HIMARS, nor French howitzers, nor German tanks at its disposal. Now they are, and there is no doubt that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will continue to use them, regardless of any agreements. And this means that in the event of a truce or some kind of "Minsk-3", hundreds of thousands of residents of new regions of Russia will continue to suffer and die every day.

Under what conditions is real peace possible?


The only and truly genuine guarantee of peace on our land is complete and unconditional victory over the enemy. To do this, the Armed Forces of Ukraine must not only be forced out of the constitutional territory of the Russian Federation, but also completely defeated. After all, if we assume that we win a partial victory, leaving behind the enemy at least certain territories of the former Ukraine, he is guaranteed to continue to accumulate strength and prepare for a new attack. To this we must also add the presence of modern long-range weapons in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which they will use both in new regions and deep into the territory of Russia.

Achieving the coveted victory is not easy, but not impossible. As has been repeatedly said, for this our multimillion-strong country must unite and mobilize all the resources it has. With a high degree of probability, this has already been realized at the very top, which caused the adoption of laws similar to the one with which we began this article. One can only hope that the implementation of the adopted decisions will be carried out taking into account the interests and rights of citizens, and not for show and report.
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  1. tkot973 Offline tkot973
    tkot973 (Konstantin) April 13 2023 15: 25
    -6
    Absolutely correct, in my opinion.
    But what does the "Ukrainian blogger now living in Spain" have to do with it? Couldn't get past a competitor or what?
    As for his reputation, as for me, it is much better than, for example, Mendel, who is trying to lead a decapitated Russia.
  2. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 April 13 2023 17: 23
    -2
    and what, are the people of Ukraine ready to make peace with the Russian Federation? it seems that Washington clearly ordered them - no negotiations and truces until the Russian Federation leaves for the borders of 91 ...
    ps

    our country of many millions must unite and mobilize all the resources it has

    mobilize the entire male population of 20-45 years old and "finally" make room for millions of new Russians from Sr.A. ???
  3. Pembo Offline Pembo
    Pembo April 13 2023 17: 52
    -13
    Only the bourgeoisie will benefit from the world? Are they the only ones in isolation? And athletes, and science, and culture? That which is isolated from the world! Do you think that there will be no peace anyway, and the shelling, as it was, will be. If we conclude peace, then conclude it not only with Ukraine, but also with the West. And this should be PEACE, and not a truce with continued shelling and attacks by the DRG. And if you don't need peace, then you need war. And it will be a war with the West without a single ally, oh yes, Lukashenko forgot, he also calls for peace by the way. It will be a war that will affect everyone. And above all those who will die at the front. Wake up, madman, the army is incapable of combat, it cannot push the LBS away from Donetsk, so that there are no shelling, and no millions of Kalashnikovs armed with machine guns will fix the matter. Our armored vehicles are effectively destroyed by enemy ATGMs. With the use of videoconferencing problems, with communication problems, with high-precision artillery problems. For what do not take it - a problem. That is. It's not just about the lack of people. That is why we need PEACE!
    1. Ezekiel 25-17 Offline Ezekiel 25-17
      Ezekiel 25-17 (Andrei) April 14 2023 11: 03
      +1
      Let's apply to the Ukronazis Ya.O. !!!
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    3. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) April 14 2023 15: 17
      +3
      Just the bourgeoisie absolutely do not care about the current war. Only a very few of them placed their assets in Russia and therefore not only did not lose anything, but, on the contrary, they are making very good money on the military theme. At the moment, the most affected is the middle class. And in the future, the poorest segments of the population will take the rap for everything. They will also bear the brunt of restoring the Ukrainian economy. And it doesn't matter who wins.
    4. Lomlad Offline Lomlad
      Lomlad (Alex) April 18 2023 13: 18
      +1
      In fact, by the beginning of the NMD, the Russian Armed Forces and its other troops outnumbered the VFU quantitatively in tanks, artillery systems, and even in the number of military personnel at least 5 times, and in combat aircraft and helicopters - about 10 times. And if we take into account their quality and condition, as well as non-nuclear missile weapons, then the overall military-technical superiority of the Russian Armed Forces over the Ukrainian Armed Forces is even more than 10-fold, not taking into account, of course, the Russian Navy and even more so its nuclear weapons. And even now, despite the fact that Russia’s MPD never gave the command to “start” for real, and the West, with the connivance of this very Russian leadership, provides huge military-technical and other assistance to the Kiev regime, the advantage of the Russian Armed Forces over the enemy is still multiple. That is, if there was political will and sane plans for Russia's CDF, the Banderofshist troops would have been defeated within 2-3 months, even without the notorious new mobilizations. To do this, it is enough to inflict massive strikes on the transport infrastructure of Ukraine, through which the Kiev regime still uninterruptedly supplies its troops, and also to send at least half of the share of the armed forces sent there by the Kiev regime to the NVO zone. Almost all combat-ready armed formations are fighting in Ukraine, in Russia, probably, no more than one quarter of the ground units and even less VKS. It is difficult for us, the uninitiated, to understand what military-political and other goals and plans the Russian MPD has. Only one thing is obvious, that they far from coincide with the interests of the Russian state and the majority of the people of Russia. Russia needs an early victory over the terrorist neo-fascist Kiev regime, the total defeat of the VFU, the liberation of at least Novorossiya and Slobozhanshchina, as well as a lasting peace based on this victory, so that the bandrs no longer threaten Russia and terrorize our border territories, and its leadership needs something own, special. Apparently, they want to sit on two chairs: somehow, as it were, to win in the NWO, but in such a way that they do not spoil their affairs in the West at all. So it turns out neither this nor that, neither fish nor meat.
  4. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) April 13 2023 18: 52
    -6
    Maybe there will be a truce. But, only with the inclusion of the condition: When shelling in response, Russia has the right to launch a nuclear strike.
  5. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) April 14 2023 00: 18
    +5
    After a year of war in the defeat of the Ukrainian army, denazification from denationalization, peace on the terms of the Russian Federation, there are fewer and fewer believers, and there are more and more prerequisites for a separate peace with nationalists. The issue will finally be decided by the outcome of the announced offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    The large capital of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, their foreign “partners”, who are losing huge amounts of money as a result of the sanctions policy, are interested in a separate conspiracy.
    Separate peace will mean the defeat of the Russian Federation and personally its President. Big capital dreams of integrating into the world economy and participating in the robbery of the so-called state formations. the third world, and for the sake of this, he will easily execute a warrant for the arrest of V.V. Putin and his extradition to an international tribunal.
    Victory always means the defeat of the enemy army and peace on the terms of the winner. The victory brings some dividends to the winner. In the case of the Russian Federation, this is the influence and removal of some previously imposed critical sanctions on large national capital and, above all, financial ones.
    1. dimbasic Offline dimbasic
      dimbasic (Dimitrius) April 14 2023 17: 22
      +4
      so this conflict with the West is precisely the result of an attempt by our capitalists to crawl into the countries of the 1st and 2nd worlds. didn't leak.
      https://dzen.ru/media/m2econ/zametki-na-poliah-626cdf9aa258be5d864c7eb1
      1. Nelton Online Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) April 14 2023 18: 02
        0
        Quote from dimbasic
        https://dzen.ru/media/m2econ/zametki-na-poliah-626cdf9aa258be5d864c7eb1

        interesting article, thanks
  6. Sergei N Offline Sergei N
    Sergei N (Sergey N) April 14 2023 04: 32
    +7
    The war is fought to victory, period.

    Carl von Clausewitz
    1. hell MASTER Offline hell MASTER
      hell MASTER (Hell MASTER) April 14 2023 06: 11
      +3
      So the war, and then the SVO. Well, it will be until the 100500 Istanbul agreements, where it is joyful to shout that there are no alternatives, as was the case with the Minsk disgrace.
  7. UAZ 452 Offline UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 (UAZ 452) April 14 2023 06: 55
    -5
    A significant, if not most, part of the "patriotic public" consists of elderly repeaters who know very well that they have long been removed from the military registration and enlistment office, so they can bliss on the topic "we will reach Lviv and move on", "Kyiv should be ours", nothing without risking it.
  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 14 2023 08: 58
    +3
    Who is this "Russian society" will ask? where you poke your finger, it will be.

    When some shoot Ukrainians, a number of agencies announce a record number of tourist tours to Turkey, the Emirates, the Maldives, richer Asian countries .... and a record number of billionaires in Moscow

    If someone increases the dough, then the rest decreases .... Lomonosov's law ...
  9. Serdar Offline Serdar
    Serdar (Mladen Sofrenovic) April 14 2023 09: 04
    +14
    I don't understand how it is not clear to you in Russia that everything is going on according to the Balkan model. Without the capitulation of fascist Ukraine, you lost the war. If now they have told the truth that the agreement in Minsk was used only to gain time and weapons, then you have a question: - What will fascist Ukraine serve, with which they will eventually conclude a peace treaty ?!
    1. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 April 14 2023 10: 39
      +1
      how is it incomprehensible to you in Russia that everything is happening according to the Balkan model

      Yes, everything is clear to all reasonable, only we do not have the strength and determination "at the top" to "defeat" the edge
      1. molotkov60mkpu Offline molotkov60mkpu
        molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) April 14 2023 11: 27
        +7
        For victory in any armed conflict, the mobilization of the entire country is needed. If some are at war, while others live an ordinary life, planning a vacation in comfort, there will be no sense. Liberalism and softness have never led to a positive result, but only to confusion and anarchy, and gives rise to permissiveness. If the country's leadership thinks to do things in white gloves, it will not work.
        1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
          syndicalist (Dimon) April 14 2023 15: 23
          +3
          General mobilization will work in a country with an ideology that is understandable and close to the people. We are doing worse with this than at the front. People even in lines stopped talking. At work, only about work. Opinion about the war was divided almost like fifty-fifty. One half, having received a weapon, will go to war with the Ukrainians, and the other, it is not known in which direction they will start shooting.
  10. Kuziming Offline Kuziming
    Kuziming (Alexey Kuzmin) April 14 2023 11: 34
    +1
    Dear friends, let's discuss the prospects for a truce in a purely abstract way.
    So, from the triple agent of the Entente, emissions rained down about the possibility of negotiations.
    I believe that we still have iPhones, and tiramisu, and negotiations with a respected Kyiv clown in reserve.
    The question is what do all the parties to the conflict expect from these negotiations, and what are the dangers for us.

    1. Let's start with our esteemed US partners.
    They need a free hand for bloodshed in the Taiwan Strait, and the protracted bloodshed in Ukraine is breaking their schedule.
    The continuation of the conflict does not bring benefits, there is no desire to restore heavy metallurgy, build thousands of tanks, and in the future, there is no need to get into a European war on our own.
    The EU is quietly whining under the weight of economic problems, only crazy Tri-Baltic tigers and frostbitten Poles want war until Ivan is defeated.
    The United States habitually plunged another region into chaos and devastation, now it's time to run away.

    Russia first showed its weakness, then showed that this weakness is a variable, not a constant, and now the bear began to sharpen its claws and bare its teeth. The military supply car began to spin, the economy began to profit from military orders. The Americans certainly did not expect such a result.

    2. The EU does not have the right to vote, the opinion of the EU is not considered.

    3. Russia "failed to cope with the weight of the projectile", the attempt to "take the weight" failed. We recall how "the Crimean War showed the rottenness and impotence of feudal Russia", and "tell the Sovereign that the British do not clean their guns with bricks."
    In general, the enemy is the best examiner, his postscripts and fraud cannot be defeated.
    Nevertheless, Russia has not collapsed, which already inspires optimism.

    Does Russia need a continuation of the war?
    Short answer: no.

    Detailed response:
    1. Our ability to win on the battlefield does not depend on the ability of commanders to make beautiful reports, but on the availability of missiles, shells, self-propelled guns, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, communications equipment, reconnaissance equipment, electronic warfare and air defense systems.
    All these things are a product that needs to be first developed by teams of researchers, and then embodied in metal / plastic by workers and engineers in factories.

    Victory is forged in the rear.

    2. The production of weapons is a long chain of actions. Investments are huge, profits are doubtful, the complexity of the tasks is incredible.
    People whose thinking is ossified in schemes for making quick profits are not able to carry out such projects.

    Speculators do not know how to develop.

    3. The fundamental issue of the annexation of territories is the ability to reproduce a high standard of living for the annexed population. Under the colonial structure of the economy, there will be no prosperity for the masses.
    On the other hand, create an advanced economy, and people will be drawn to you.
    The key to success lies in the field of economics.

    Can not be forced.
    ________________
    Summarizing,
    if it is possible to conclude a truce, you need to go for it.
    Our main enemy is incompetence and inability to solve problems of long-term development.

    The main condition for victory is successful internal transformations, the elimination of the technological gap from the United States.
    1. Nelton Online Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) April 14 2023 11: 45
      +2
      Quote from Kuziming
      does not have the right to vote

      You have forgotten Ukraine. it may of course have the right to vote and does not have it, but it will thwart any agreements made behind its back, and will continue to fire and attack with all types of missiles that it can get one way or another.

      People whose thinking is ossified in schemes for making quick profits are not able to carry out such projects.

      Speculators do not know how to develop.

      Oh, another supporter of the theory that the current generation of Russians are incapable subhumans ...
    2. dimbasic Offline dimbasic
      dimbasic (Dimitrius) April 14 2023 17: 31
      +2
      How will you pay reparations? there is a queue for them from at least 5 countries (outskirts, polyandia, estonia, latvia, lithuania), and everyone wants a trillion dollars. the vanquished pays everyone and as much as they say. so don't be fooled then.
  11. Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) April 14 2023 12: 14
    +1
    The only and truly genuine guarantee of peace on our land is complete and unconditional victory over the enemy.

    I completely agree. as well as almost 99% sure that there will be neither full nor any other with this "Ylita"
    1. scolopendra Offline scolopendra
      scolopendra (Kirill Sazonov) April 14 2023 12: 46
      -1
      Nikolai, run for at least people's deputies, at least for president, if the current government does not suit you.

      Oh yes, for this you need to get up from the couch.
      1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
        syndicalist (Dimon) April 14 2023 15: 27
        +4
        Oh my God! Are there still people who believe in elections in 23?
        1. scolopendra Offline scolopendra
          scolopendra (Kirill Sazonov) April 16 2023 20: 30
          -2
          It says so in the Constitution. Do we believe in the Constitution and its guarantor?
  12. valery lebedev Offline valery lebedev
    valery lebedev (Valery Lebedev) April 14 2023 13: 03
    +6
    In order to defeat Ukraine, you need to defeat the internal enemy, that is, those who have lost a lot from the SVO. And these are not only oligarchs, but also middle and senior officials.
    1. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 April 14 2023 13: 13
      0
      you need to defeat the enemy internal

      Namely, we often forget about the internal enemy, and yet this is still half of the youth in cities with a million inhabitants, and part of the "middle class" who have lost the opportunity to relax in Italy and Spain! And if we remember about our "creative party" !?
      1. hell MASTER Offline hell MASTER
        hell MASTER (Hell MASTER) April 14 2023 14: 55
        0
        In what way, it turns out that the youth who post memes are the enemy. Not those who mastered the budgets talked about having no analogues, 70 percent of new technology, UAV toys for children. Namely, who posts memes.
        Hmm, having no analogues, thanks to people like you, because their failures are attributed to others
        1. dimbasic Offline dimbasic
          dimbasic (Dimitrius) April 14 2023 17: 33
          0
          the parents are to blame, who raised cretins who want their country to defeat.
    2. Jstas Offline Jstas
      Jstas (jstas) April 16 2023 10: 22
      0
      Some troops went to Kyiv.
      Others moved to Moscow.
      And there, and there they caught lyuli,
      Crowd and one at a time.
      And the whole kahal was baptized in the Dnieper,
      Well, how is Gerasim Mumu!
  13. Ulan.1812 Online Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 (Boris Gerasimov) April 14 2023 13: 04
    +9
    The fact that there is a group in the Russian government that is ready to reach an agreement has long been clear.
    The people of Russia 90% are categorically against it.
    To freeze the conflict and agree to the current demarcation line is Russia's defeat.
    This suits primarily the United States.
    They will keep the Nazi-Bandera entity, which will be a constant threat to Russia.
    They will again pump them up with weapons, create a million-strong army and war again. But already on worse conditions for us.
    They will accept the rest of Ukraine and NATO, don't go to a fortune teller.
    In addition, the United States will immediately declare it a victory.
    Well, how could they not let Putin capture the whole of Ukraine.
    And we will leave to the Ukronazis Kherson and part of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions and part of the DPR, which, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, are part of our territory.
    There is only one option to radically solve the problem of our security
    - the complete and final defeat of this Nazi-Bandera formation called Ukraine.
    Denazification and demilitarization of ALL this territory.
  14. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) April 14 2023 14: 51
    +5
    Another thing is the elite of Russian society, which until February 2022 actively enjoyed all the benefits of European civilization. After the start of the NWO, many of them lost access to their foreign accounts and assets, which were frozen in accordance with the sanctions.

    By signing the "agreement" with the United States, the current elite will sign their final verdict ....
    But they will have nowhere to run, in the west they are "persona nongrata" and in Russia traitors to the Motherland, swindlers and thieves ....
  15. Vyacheslav Semkov (Vyacheslav Semkov) April 14 2023 16: 40
    +7
    No negotiations! Ukraine must be taken completely, along the western border and no statehood for it, divided only into regions, otherwise fascism will reappear with the help of overseas forces. Enough of Gorbachev's and Yeltsin's policies.
  16. Constantine N Online Constantine N
    Constantine N (Constantin N) April 14 2023 17: 26
    0
    And why does the West need any negotiations? he spends only money on Ukraine and probably less than 1% of GDP.
  17. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) April 14 2023 18: 39
    +6
    There is an internal enemy in the Russian Federation, this is the fifth column, comprador power, because the people are brainwashed about the world, about the good West, about humane oligarchs.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Bandera, no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to the EU countries. NATO will no longer be able to use Ukraine against Russia. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia.
    Even if part of the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have an enemy in the person of Ukraine. Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    Any half-hearted decision is the defeat and capitulation of the Russian Federation to NATO.
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  20. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) April 14 2023 20: 28
    +1
    It is this class of Russians who now most yearn for "peace" with the Kyiv regime. For them, what is happening just looks like a bad dream, which is about to end and return everyone to a blissful state of “before”. And it was these people from the very beginning of the special operation who pushed the idea of ​​negotiations with the Kyiv regime, in every possible way cajoling the bloodthirsty Ukrainian leaders with gestures of goodwill. At that time, it was not possible to reach an agreement with Kiev and its Western masters, but we see that these attempts are being made again and again.

    Bullshit! How long can you lie, huh? What are you up to as an author? Destruction of the oligarchs, next who? President, Shoigu, Gerasimov?
  21. Enoch Offline Enoch
    Enoch (Enoch) April 15 2023 12: 08
    -1
    Liquid noodle.
  22. Artificial Intelligence (artificial intelligence) April 15 2023 14: 03
    +1
    how interesting the author, from notifying the presence of a difficult question being posed to the population with mortal danger, switched to jingoistic populism of victoriousness, but did not say the main thing - that he was personally ready to welcome to the front! (or if there is an excuse that it is not suitable - donate most of your property and savings to the front, according to the principle: someone pays with their lives, but I will not stand aside; I will pay with what I have - material wealth).

    I personally am not ready to fight. although I don’t know how others feel it, maybe others need to show courage, but my worldview and fate are different, I am an individualist, a humanist who does not identify his identity with the state and the People. so I ask less.

    if the patriots of victories are ready to wake up and get in line, then there are no questions, it is clear that this is desirable.
    but if not.. it is clear that Russia will not be able to stupidly allow the territory to surrender to Ukraine. it is also desirable to complete the minimum task - to move the front from Donetsk and the land corridor to the Crimea, to take Avdeevka, Slovyansk, Ugoldar, to reach convenient defensive lines.
    would such an outcome be a danger to the future of Russia? it largely depends on Russian politics, diplomacy, and probably even more on Ukraine and the West. there is a possibility that Ukraine will not withstand the post-war world and will itself die from the burden of problems if the West does not save hundreds of billions of investments and NATO. without NATO, with security guarantees, a significant part of the young, enterprising population will leave Ukraine under the threat of war. the rest will plunge into internal srach, they will know the consequences of the return from the front of hundreds of thousands of warriors with a crippled psyche. for a country with their population, this will be very noticeable. as well as many other things. but I'm not saying that this will definitely finish off Ukraine in the best way for Russia. it’s just that there is such a possibility, which does not make a truce a mandatory threat to the Russian Federation.

    However, I think that now a truce is not expected. I think that the command of the Russian Federation is planning offensive operations, first in the Donetsk region, and then if Ukraine does not make concessions, then a campaign against Kyiv. whether we want peace or victory. at least that's how it seems to me logical to plan on their part.
  23. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) April 17 2023 05: 06
    0
    China, which is trying the role of an arbitrator, can persuade Russia to a truce. And the probability of such a deal is not zero
  24. Tikhonov Alexander April 17 2023 16: 54
    +2
    No negotiations! Victory - and only by knockout! And to work not only against the NATO countries, but also against those whose mercenaries lit up in the war.
  25. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
    Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 17 2023 17: 45
    +2
    War, very cruel, but sometimes such a necessary teacher and examiner!
    If the NWO is stopped now, then it will not end in anything good for Russia ...
    Even if the Civil War does not start, in the country itself, a historical step towards change will be lost !!!!!
    Just as Tsar Peter began the changes after Narva!
    If stop, all now:
    1. Bandera will lick their wounds, strengthen even more and everything will happen again SOON! Only in worse conditions (This is for those who think to save their skins);
    2. The elite in Russia will again take up their favorite "French bun" (Plundering the country).
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      Nelton (Oleg) April 17 2023 18: 18
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      1. Bandera will lick their wounds, strengthen even more and everything will happen again SOON!

      if the truce is so beneficial for the Bandera people to lick their wounds, why do they reject it?
      It is they, ours, that are ready for a truce at any moment.

      the answer is simple - a truce gives time to both sides.
      The Russian Federation in 2015-2021, as it turned out in 2022-23, very effectively prepared its economy for sanctions.
      Of course, not everything possible has been done, but enough to do what is missing already in the course of the play.

      And Ukraine ... if our troops take one city after another, then in Europe they will feel the approach of the Russian Federation to their homes, and they will find funds for Ukraine.
      And if the front line is standing (with or without an official truce), then the desire to bear material costs is sharply reduced.
      Already, food from Ukraine in a number of countries, including fraternal Poland, has come under a ban - Ukraine is Ukraine, and its own farmers are more important ....
      https://tass.ru/ekonomika/17534789
      And there, the mobilization potential for earnings will disperse ...
      1. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
        Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 19 2023 14: 47
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        Therefore, these "ours" are ready for a truce at any moment!
        They are so "our"
        Half of the Kremlin sits there and dreams of how to return everything back and just continue to rob the country, the people, the army and hang out in the West!
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          Nelton (Oleg) April 19 2023 15: 11
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          There, half of the Kremlin sits and dreams of how to return everything back.

          With the Kremlin, let's say everything is clear.

          I repeat the question - why do Bandera categorically reject a truce if it is allegedly beneficial to them?
          1. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
            Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 19 2023 16: 22
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            Does anyone ask them? Zelya or one of the clowns?
            I think Zele has long been explained that if anything, it will be replaced with a click.
            So far, everyone is happy, because the pigs themselves are happy to climb to the slaughter!
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              Nelton (Oleg) April 19 2023 16: 44
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              Does anyone ask them?

              Their opinion must be taken into account.
              If they don’t want to fight, they will drop any weapon and run away.
              If they want to, they will wreck any truce concluded behind their backs with shelling.

              That's as long as they want. Anyone who even dares to blurt out something about a truce until complete de-occupation will be immediately identified as a prisoner.
              And the thought does not hover there that a truce is only in their favor, and will allow
              "lick your wounds and become stronger" and then strike again (especially since a truce is not peace, violation of a truce is not considered an act of aggression).
              1. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
                Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 19 2023 17: 28
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                Bandera, in the world of their propaganda! (Or not yours?! That's another question.)
                After processing this propaganda 24/7, they really believe that.... And the Donbass, and the Crimea, and there the campaign against Moscow, and the Russians will contain all the suckers, until the end of their lives! lol Sometimes outright stupidity or betrayal of some of the elites in Russia contributes to these "wants and dreamers." Besides, are their lives important to anyone? Ze? Or Americans?
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                  Nelton (Oleg) April 19 2023 17: 47
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                  Quote: Alexbf109
                  they really believe that something .... And Donbass, and Crimea, and then a trip to Moscow

                  This is yes.

                  Quote: Alexbf109
                  stupidity or betrayal

                  according to you it turns out that:
                  Ukraine has stupidity, they don’t understand that a truce is more beneficial for them than for us,
                  in the Russian Federation - betrayal, tk. a truce (which ours are ready for) is more profitable for Ukraine / the USA than for us?

                  Or maybe everything is simpler, a truce is more profitable for us, that’s why we offer it, and it’s completely unprofitable for Ukraine, that’s why they categorically do not agree to it?

                  For the second year now, the NWO has been going on, well, there is no pumping of Ukraine with weapons, even against the background of the NWO.
                  And there are enough opponents of unlimited support for Ukraine in the US / EU.
                  And against the backdrop of a truce, the desire to spend on that Ukraine will decrease even more.
                  And Nenka will be left alone with her problems ...

                  In general, while we are waiting, sir, how the counteroffensive will end, if it starts at all before the end of the season. And there we will once again evaluate who did what in 2023, who uses time more efficiently. In fact, the current harness skirmishes for the forester's hut and sluggish shelling, with preparations for some future battles, are not much different from a truce.
                  1. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
                    Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 20 2023 09: 12
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                    You are forgetting another important factor! (And I forgot to mention it too)
                    After the conclusion of the "obscene peace", I am almost 100% sure that Zelya will be finished! Not Americans, so their own.
                    "Well, there is no pumping of Ukraine with weapons, even against the background of the NWO." .... But here it was really funny! What would dill with Bandera "heroes" fight with ??? Take away from them Chimeras, NATO armor, Stingers, UFOs, Starlinks and NATO intelligence. And what?
                    Gangs of "Vsu" will turn into ISIS slippers!
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                      Nelton (Oleg) April 20 2023 10: 56
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                      What would dill with Bandera "heroes" fight with ???

                      I have already written many times that the West supplies the Armed Forces of Ukraine in volumes so that the front does not fall apart, but nothing more.
                      Under "pumped weapons" I mean deliveries in quantity and quality sufficient for an offensive with decisive goals (at least the regional centers of the old regions of the Russian Federation) on the basis that the Russian Federation will have serious defense there.

                      so I won’t be surprised if it suddenly turns out that the Kursk direction is covered only by traffic police posts, and a battalion on motorcycles is enough to occupy that Kursk.
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                        Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 20 2023 11: 25
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                        so I won’t be surprised if it suddenly turns out that the Kursk direction is covered only by traffic police posts, and a battalion on motorcycles is enough to occupy that Kursk ....

                        As I like, "Mriya" suckers!!! laughing
                        So let them take a chance, since everything is so simple! Forward Bandera bully
                        Forward, forward, first to Kursk, and then to Moscow and "overcome" .....
                        Finally, I hope to happen what I have long wanted!
                        1. The authorities in Russia will get down to business (On the complete destruction of Bandera and liberoid carrion inside Russia). And in Russia, the latter will understand that we are at war not with some "brothers", but with the Bandera bastard. For which only death!
                        2. Or, finally, there will be strikes on bridges, on Kuev .... Or better all together + nuclear strikes on Bandera Galicia!
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                        Nelton (Oleg) April 20 2023 11: 49
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                        As I like, "Mriya"

                        That's what happened near Kharkov in September - the same Mriya?

                        Or, finally, there will be strikes on bridges, on kuev .... Or better all together + nuclear strikes

                        Well, this was the defense strategy of the Russian Federation until 2022 inclusive.
                        It was clear to everyone that if a conditional 100 thousand corps (70% equipped with modern weapons) is not enough to stop the capture of the regional center by an adversary, the Russian Federation will hit nuclear weapons, first tactical ones.
                        Accordingly, no one even thought about invading the Russian Federation, dumb dumb.
                        And no one needs our Kursk (by itself) ...
                        It is now, having captured Kursk, Ukraine may try to bargain for its exchange for the "used" territories.

                        the destruction of liberoid carrion inside Russia

                        So they will shoot you the same way, you talked to me here ...
                        By the way, during interrogations I confess that I persuaded you to liberalism, and you wavered in your convictions ...
                        In general, it’s strange - there is so much fighting spirit, and the comrade is still not at the front ...
                      3. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
                        Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 20 2023 12: 37
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                        I have long wanted to see the exclusion zone on the territory of Banderostan, and the town of Kuev destroyed by rockets! And bridges.
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                        Nelton (Oleg) April 20 2023 14: 30
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                        I have long wanted to see the exclusion zone on the territory of Banderostan

                        so go to the recruiting office, sign up as a volunteer, they will send you to the front - there you will see ... what is holding you back?
                      5. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
                        Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 20 2023 15: 33
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                        so go to the recruiting office, sign up as a volunteer, they will send you to the front - there you will see ... what is holding you back?

                        Well, it’s not for you to teach me where and what to go for someone! I am doing my job for the good of the country! In 1941-1945, not only those who shot won, they also worked for victory, who produced shells, steel, oil, gold, etc. Without them, the Victory would not have happened either!
                        And by the way, why don’t you “protect” your favorite dill ???
                        Like you, they sit in Russia, and stink, how bad "in Russia". But when asked why you don’t go to Germany, to the USA, no one is holding back !!! Silence, tongue in the back! laughing
                        I am AGAINST spending my guys in the war when you can save them! I completely agree with the methods of your liberoid torch and master here)) They dropped a nuclear one on the Yaps in 1945, saved the soldiers! I really want it to reach the Kremlin, and we will finally do the same! And I will definitely come to see it good

                        An interesting train of thought, it turns out that Red Banner schools and academies produced ...

                        They are the same people and products of the system! They also watch TV and surf the Internet. A system created on the ruins of the great USSR, liberoid bastards! And there are enough hidden liberals there too.
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                        Nelton (Oleg) April 20 2023 16: 05
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                        Quote: Alexbf109
                        and we will finally do the same!

                        Japan in 1945 could no longer respond to America.
                        But the Western coalition behind Ukraine has enough funds to respond in the event of an escalation of the conflict.

                        Quote: Alexbf109
                        Like you, they sit in Russia, and stink, how bad "in Russia".

                        you are confusing me with someone else.
                        I’m just the opposite, with facts, figures and photographs I prove that the Russian Federation is developing, it has achievements in the economy / technology and arrangement and all that.

                        on the ruins of the great USSR, liberoid bastards!

                        Accordingly, I look at everything done over 30 years in terms of development and improvement.
                        I look at what has been done in other countries over the same 30 years.
                        Somewhere more and better - there are such.
                        Most are smaller and worse.
                        Despite the fact that the Russian Federation has a number of factors that greatly complicate development.
                        So I see no reason to find fault with the civil-economic bloc.
                      7. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
                        Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 20 2023 17: 21
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                        But the Western coalition behind Ukraine has enough funds to respond in the event of an escalation of the conflict

                        And someone promised to get involved in a nuclear war for a "consumable" like suckers ????? laughing
                        Remind me who? I forgot something! Nope, no one will. Give Berdanka and send pigs for minced meat, yes! But no one from the West will die for them! DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT! laughing

                        So I see no reason to find fault with the civil-economic bloc

                        To put it mildly, but SOOO controversial statement! About the mistakes of this particular bloc, I think you can write a whole book (At least about 300 billion that are stuck in the West! Or about the ditched production of civilian aircraft, etc., etc. Even now, in war conditions, there is a talk that "to invest in the National Security Fund, you need to invest in roads and utilities"! DURING THE WAR?!
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                        Nelton (Oleg) April 20 2023 17: 48
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                        And someone promised to get involved in a nuclear war for a "consumable" like suckers?

                        The use of nuclear weapons after they themselves started the SVO, but did not master it - this will be a sign that the Kremlin has been ripped off by failures. First in Ukraine, then in Poland, and then the turn will reach Washington ...
                        Accordingly, the risks that the United States will decide on a preventive disarming strike are growing very much.
                        Not for the Ukrainians, but so that their turn does not come.
                        and China won't mind.

                        About the mistakes of this particular bloc, I think you can write a whole book (At least about 300 billion that are stuck in the West! Or about the ditched production of civil aircraft, etc., etc.

                        Here is a typical example of how you aptly put it:

                        Like you, they sit in Russia, and stink, how bad "in Russia"
                      9. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
                        Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 20 2023 17: 59
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                        The use of nuclear weapons after they themselves started the SVO, but did not master it - this will be a sign that the Kremlin has been blown off the roof from failures

                        Crazy assertion!
                        Everyone will understand exactly the opposite! That eggs were found in the Kremlin!
                        Why were tanks not supplied to Bandera at the beginning? They were afraid of Russia's nuclear weapons!
                        Also Himarsy, etc. and so on. They were afraid of nuclear weapons!
                        The flow of weapons will not end until the Kremlin finally finds the eggs and stops playing "peacekeepers" and "we don't have tacos"

                        Here is a typical example of how you aptly put it:

                        It's totally funny! laughing
                        But what about reasonable criticism? Pluralism, etc.
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                        Nelton (Oleg) April 20 2023 18: 26
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                        But what about reasonable criticism? Pluralism, etc.

                        Reasonable criticism is when they see both achievements and shortcomings.
                        in proportions from 1:2 to 2:1.

                        Why were tanks not supplied to Bandera at the beginning?

                        Because they already had them.
                        As the tanks ran out, they began to replenish.

                        Everyone will understand exactly the opposite! That eggs were found in the Kremlin!

                        In such matters it is better to proceed from the worst case.
                        You apparently have no children or grandchildren, you do not care about your life and the lives of all other fellow citizens, so you are ready to take risks.
                        With such a vital approach, you really have a place in the NWO, in the sapper unit. And transfer your civilian work to less risky people.

                        And in general, it is surprising ... they started the NWO - supposedly to protect and liberate some citizens of Ukraine from other citizens of Ukraine. And now you are proposing to destroy the same citizens of Ukraine with the help of nuclear weapons ... Despite the fact that the answer can fly to the citizens of Russia ...
                      11. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
                        Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 21 2023 09: 23
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                        Reasonable criticism is when they see both achievements and shortcomings.
                        in proportions from 1:2 to 2:1.

                        What kind of crazy narrative is this? Is this some kind of axiom or just ideas from your own head? laughing
                        Everything is easier! Achievements are spoken of as achievements, and not affluences, as shortcomings! There is no need to invent anything here!

                        Because they already had them.
                        As the tanks ran out, they began to replenish

                        Rave! No one would supply anything if the Kremlin had not shown its weakness! And the weak are beaten. This is just Western thinking!

                        In such matters it is better to proceed from the worst case.

                        All right! I'm just leaving. In case of defeat, Russia will face not only the loss of territory, shame on the whole world and thousands of dead. She is waiting with a huge degree of probability for the Civil War, and millions of dead! At least dozens of new separatists in different regions, and again you will have to fight, only in Russia (If you don’t understand this, then it’s useless to talk to you. This is already a difficult case) So it’s better to WIN!

                        And now you propose to destroy the same citizens of Ukraine with the help of nuclear weapons

                        Yes that's right. And I will continue to offer! Because I see no other option, once and for all to end the Bandera occupation of the RUSSIAN lands in Ukraine, without heavy losses, Russian boys! Galicia to the nuclear desert (and let Poland take it), the rest back to Russia!
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                        Nelton (Oleg) April 21 2023 09: 53
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                        Achievements are spoken of as achievements

                        Can you at least say something about the achievements?
                        so far, only heart-rending cries from liberalophobes "they stole everything", "nothing has been done for 30 years", etc.
                      13. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
                        Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 21 2023 10: 39
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                        liberalophobes only heart-rending cries of "everything was stolen", "nothing has been done for 30 years", etc.

                        Don't think! There is reasonable criticism, blunders of power)) At least we are not liberals who purposefully destroyed our country, and now they are the "5th column"!
                        But in essence, I want to say that Putin had achievements, especially at the beginning!
                        He solved the issue with Chechnya. The people are far from starving, there is money! (in Russia, thank God, there are a lot of minerals, and there really is a lot of things that are constantly being built and work in bulk)!
                        The banking system, after the SVO, withstood.
                        Some of the technologies and industries left over from the USSR did not completely collapse! (Nuclear industry, fertilizer production, space and the military-industrial complex are somehow still breathing! True, there is little breakthrough that would be in mass production, and not in the form of single samples for exhibitions)

                        By the way, a counter question! How does the representative of the "liberoid camp" see the end of the NWO?
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                        Nelton (Oleg) April 21 2023 11: 18
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                        How does the representative of the "liberoid camp" see the end of the NWO?

                        According to the Indo-Pakistani version.
                        Which, by the way, does not prevent India from developing at an accelerated pace.

                        we are not liberals who purposefully

                        Both you and us are ordinary people, and our discussions are vividly described in the chapter on "pique vests" from the Golden Calf.
                      15. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
                        Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 21 2023 11: 52
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                        According to the Indo-Pakistani version

                        Crimea, Donbass, let's surrender, as many of yours offer?
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                        Nelton (Oleg) April 21 2023 12: 06
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                        According to the Indo-Pakistani version

                        The Indo-Pakistani option is fixing the current front line, without signing any documents, and even more so without transferring any territories.
                        Mutual shelling and attacks are reduced, but do not stop completely. In 2019, they had another aggravation there.
                      17. Alexbf109 Offline Alexbf109
                        Alexbf109 (Alexey) April 21 2023 12: 28
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                        Indo-Pakistani version...

                        Yes, I already understood! But it's really an ass!
                        With this option, the war will be new, the Bandera people will very soon receive nuclear weapons, and Russia will miss the opportunity to crush this Bandera abscess at its borders and liberate the ORIGINALLY Russian lands.
                        NOT AN OPTION! This is the "shameful Khasavyurt 2.0"!
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                        Nelton (Oleg) April 21 2023 15: 09
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                        This is the "shameful Khasavyurt 2.0"!

                        Well, after Khasavyurt, who better prepared for the second round?
  • Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) April 18 2023 04: 34
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    Let's apply to the Ukronazis Ya.O. !!!

    Maybe first w / the Nazis?