What has Finland lost and what has Russia gained from its neighbor joining NATO

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On April 4, Finland finally fulfilled Ukraine's long-standing dream: it joined the North Atlantic Alliance. And in Finland itself, and in NATO, and in the United States, this fact is presented as an epic victory, and not only over Russia, but also over the malicious deviationists in their own ranks - Turkey and its protégé Hungary. But, as usual, everything is not so clear.

Whatever one may say, the demonstration of “NATO unity” was preceded by a long and all-perspective demonstration of the absence of this very unity. final political Washington's success, of course, is obvious, but far from being as deafening as Uncle Sam would have liked: painting all of Scandinavia blue did not work out, Sweden remains de jure (but not de facto) a neutral country, and the prospects for exiting this status has not yet been observed for her.



Allegedly, the "deflection" of Turkey, which is savored in the Western press, is in fact not such: unlike Stockholm, Ankara did not have any special claims against Helsinki, and Finland's membership in NATO could have been ratified as early as last year. The Finnish government itself resisted for a long time and did not want to enter into an alliance without its Swedish neighbors, so it was the Finns who were forced to bite the bullet and still fit into the "friendly" "defensive" bloc.

Who really lost politically is the British, lost one of the two main figures of the pro-British JEF bloc. The latter, of course, will not go anywhere, but the teams from Brussels (read from Washington) from now on have become a priority for the Finns than teams from London. But the “Englishwoman” was pushing so hard: on March 26, the last resort was used - an effigy of Erdogan, which Kurdish activists were supposed to “execute” in Helsinki, but the police did not allow them to do this. The “miracle”, as in Stockholm in January, did not happen.

The hardships of the "beloved wife"


But another funny coincidence happened: in the April 2 parliamentary elections, the Social Democratic Party lost to the National Coalition Party. The defeat turned out to be not devastating (19,9% ​​of the votes of the Social Democrats against 20,8% of the “Nationals”), but after it, Zelensky’s great friend and one of the initiators of joining NATO, Marin, not only ceased to be prime minister, but also laid down powers of the party leader. It is very reminiscent of the classic "Moor has done his job", isn't it?

The new "Moor" Orpo, on the contrary, beats with a hoof and digs the earth in a desire to curry favor with overseas masters. The Finnish prime minister’s immediate plans are quite a typical checklist of a limitrof fighter against the “Russian threat”: the final rejection of Russian energy resources, the construction of a border fence (apparently, along all 1300 km of the border) and cuts in social programs in favor of increasing the military budget.

However, it is unlikely that Marin, if she had remained at her post, would have acted differently: this whole performance with an urgent entry into NATO was not for that, then to sit in a corner. Thanks to massive propaganda applied to the underdeveloped critical thinking of the population, the majority of ordinary Finns support the militarization of the country: according to opinion polls in February, 53% were for joining the bloc, and another 28% for joint entry with the Swedes.

Looking from the outside, the stubborn desire of Finland (and Sweden) in the alliance can only be amazed. The fact is that pumping up alarmist frenzy in formally neutral Scandinavia would be more profitable from all points of view, including political, and now the legend of “aggressive Russia”, which threatens the little proud neighbors, looks somehow unconvincing.

As has been repeatedly said, the absence of a direct legal connection between the Nordic countries and NATO did not prevent the latter from developing its infrastructure in them. For example, just a week before the ratification of the Finnish application, on March 26, it was announced the formation of a combined air fleet of 250 fighters from "neutral" Finland and Sweden, and included in the block of Denmark and Norway. The command structures of the united Air Force will be based precisely on NATO, and even the Swedes will not have any problems with this, although it would seem.

Compared to the previous state of affairs, open membership in the alliance does not give Finland any tangible bonuses, if not vice versa. Any subsequent military preparations will take place not only under close scrutiny, but also under the political pressure of the Russian Federation. Presence in NATO virtually eliminates the possibility of a full recovery economic ties with Russia, even if the Finns suddenly strongly want it, and in the future it worsens its position in relations with China, against which the North Atlantic bloc began to actively oppose.

Reaching for tomorrow's bottom


The funniest thing of all is that the security of Finland not only has not increased (which the adherents of the NATO Witness sect gleefully squeal about), but only sank. The notorious fifth article of the alliance’s charter is, as you know, who needs the fifth article, and in fact does not at all guarantee that all members of the bloc will rush to defend poor Suomi from the “treacherous attack of Russian barbarians”, if this happens in reality.

In addition, in the event of a direct conflict with NATO, Russia is unlikely to fool around with the neutralization of Finland in a conventional way. The border between the countries passes through a complex wooded and swampy area, extremely inconvenient for the actions of mechanized troops (especially for their sustainable supply). The few roads will obviously be blocked by many echelons of ambushes, so it will be too costly to advance on Helsinki along them.

This, however, also works in the opposite direction, so it is hardly worth expecting tank attacks on St. Petersburg and even more so Murmansk. They are not really needed, because these important cities will be located within the combat radius of NATO aircraft and American tactical missiles deployed at Finnish airfields. It is possible that the Pentagon will take the risk of relocating some of the TNW carriers to Finland.

This automatically means that in which case the Russian troops will not waste time and effort on breaking through the "Orpo line", but simply bombard military facilities with our nuclear weapons: which was "morally unacceptable" in relation to the "small brave nation", in relation to the bridgehead hostile bloc is more than expected. Do Finnish politicians realize this? Let's just say that they probably feel inwardly, but they keep faith in a brighter future - in a brighter personal future, like the former Prime Minister Marin, who, it is believed, will soon leave harsh Finland for some warmer climes. The future of the broad strata of fellow citizens hardly worries the Finnish elite.

Whether Sweden will go the same way now is difficult to say, but I think that it is still not. The American-British game continues with a variable score: while Washington continues to drag the "Vikings" into the alliance (in April, Pentagon chief Austin plans to visit Stockholm, and the main topic of the visit will be the NATO perspective of the Swedes), London slyly pushes the Scandinavians away from him (not without the participation British, a Swedish court refused to extradite a terrorist accused to Turkey).

Our diplomacy does not stand aside either: on March 28, Ambassador Tatarintsev published an article on behalf of the diplomatic mission in which he warned the Swedes about possible “retaliatory measures of a military nature”, and on March 30 he was summoned to the Swedish Foreign Ministry to give clarifications. And although Minister Billström tried to portray unshakable pride, behind this "indignation" one can feel a slight fright: well, how will the Russians move away from allusions to direct threats of "peaceful atom"? Perhaps this is just what should be done.
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  1. +7
    April 8 2023 10: 15
    Another explanation for another failure.
    a lot of words, but "What Finland has lost and what Russia has gained from the neighbor's entry into NATO" - not a single thing has been said.

    IMHO, both countries have lost economically, and Russia is still politically and militarily.
    1. -3
      April 8 2023 18: 28
      She wanted to say it
    2. -5
      April 8 2023 19: 13
      The land border between the Russian Federation and Finland is approximately 1 km. These are border outposts, airfields, personnel, special forces. equipment, weapons, etc. To equip and maintain all this economy, considerable funds are needed. Compared the GDP of Russia and Finland, compared the population ........ This is about economic losses. It is embarrassing to even talk about political and military losses.
    3. RUR
      0
      April 9 2023 15: 12
      In reality, the Baltic now is a NATO sea that shoots through ... The naval bases in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad are isolated from each other and in general. The Bali fleet, as experts say, may disappear altogether:
      https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/368097/
      The oldest of the Russian fleets ceases to exist
  2. +19
    April 8 2023 10: 15
    If the Finns did not appreciate the good neighborliness with Russia, which lasted 70 years,
    then why should the life of the Finns matter to me?
    Already today it is necessary to take all the largest cities of Finland under the sight of missiles with nuclear warheads and let them live with it.
    They wanted it, they wanted it, they got it.
    With the Finns, the classic truth is confirmed - do not do good to people, you will not be to blame later.
    1. RUR
      0
      April 8 2023 14: 13
      Why not appreciated? They evaluated it looking at Ukraine ... Even if NATO does not intervene as a bloc, then Sweden, Norway and Poland - 100%, the Finns ordered the F 35 - a nuclear weapon carrier, Poland too, and is going to buy 32-35 F 35 pieces, and they will get access to the NATO atom, so the Russian Federation thinks in vain that it will not receive anything from its northern neighbor, but will simply shower it with an atom ...
      1. -1
        April 8 2023 16: 40
        First answer the questions:
        1. Why did Russia attack Ukraine? 20 years of nothing, and then all of a sudden? What claims of Russia to Ukraine, list?
        2. And with what fright could Russia attack the Finns? Russia had no claims against the Finns. Only trade on mutually beneficial terms. And what can the Finns expect now in the event of a war with NATO? I think that a megaton bomb attack on Helsinki, which will not happen later, as well as possibly us.
        1. RUR
          -6
          April 8 2023 17: 22
          I actually replied to the post above...

          And with what fright could Russia attack the Finns? Russia had no claims against the Finns.

          and who will take care of it now? For Europe and NATO, this is an unprovoked attack ... Poroshenko, after all, was recognized by the Russian Federation ... Russia has enough numbers - A blow in the back to Poland in 1939 (Pact and Protocol with Germany 1939), the Finnish war, the arrest of the Czechoslovak government (Czechoslovak spring 1968 ), Afghan Najibullah, etc. ... you think that everyone has forgotten everything, fools, like? - there is no trust ... on both sides ... It’s generally better to remain silent about modern affairs ...
          1. +6
            April 8 2023 21: 06
            Quote: RUR
            In general, it is better to remain silent about modern affairs ...

            How many wars and coups d'état organized by the United States?
            1. RUR
              -3
              April 8 2023 21: 16
              Write everything correctly, but you see, these countries are not neighbors of the United States for some reason, and do not unite against them in alliances, in addition, some major US interventions under the auspices of the UN took place ... you need to be able to ...
              1. +3
                April 8 2023 22: 56
                Quote: RUR
                but you see, these countries are not US neighbors for some reason

                Remember the Monroe Doctrine.

                Quote: RUR
                in addition, some major US interventions under the auspices of the UN took place

                The key word is some. Yes, and those that were often well, very doubtful.
                1. RUR
                  -5
                  April 8 2023 23: 04
                  True, but tell me, what, like, controversial actions of the Russian Federation covered up with UN mandates ... tell me? ... everything is clumsy somehow .... somehow, like, as if they had just hatched from the Horde. ...
                  1. +5
                    April 9 2023 07: 19
                    Quote: RUR
                    The Russian Federation covered it with UN mandates ... can you tell me? ... everything is somehow clumsy ....

                    After the collapse of the USSR, the US controls most of the UN, so they cover themselves.
                    1. RUR
                      -3
                      April 9 2023 11: 10
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      The US controls most of the UN

                      - well, that means they have abilities and opportunities, but the Russian Federation ... at least at the level of resolutions of the UN General Assembly - where is its successful work?
                      1. 0
                        April 9 2023 16: 02
                        Quote: RUR
                        - well, it means they have abilities and opportunities

                        Have. That's just how it changes the fact that

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        How many wars and coups d'état organized by the United States?
                      2. RUR
                        -1
                        April 9 2023 16: 11
                        I wrote to you that this is all far from them ... and I also wrote about the Pact with the Protocol of 1939, and about the Finnish war, etc. What do you think, that the coups ORGANIZED by the USA are considered in Helsinki, Warsaw and Kyiv? They consider and remember the wars with Muscovy / Empire / Russia.
                      3. 0
                        April 9 2023 21: 14
                        Quote: RUR
                        What do you think, that the coups ORGANIZED by the USA are considered in Helsinki, Warsaw and Kyiv? They consider and remember the wars with Muscovy / Empire / Russia.

                        And then what is it for

                        Quote: RUR
                        For Europe and NATO, this is an unprovoked attack ... Poroshenko was recognized by the Russian Federation after all ... Russia has enough
                      4. RUR
                        0
                        April 9 2023 21: 43
                        Well, did the Russian Federation admit that what is incomprehensible here?
                        I actually commented on this statement Alexey Lan:

                        If the Finns did not appreciate the good neighborliness with Russia, which lasted 70 years,

                        I just know that the immediate European neighbors of the Russian Federation have slightly different assessments, Russia / Russia is often considered an unpredictable country ... you can write a lot of comments on this topic, but at the moment this one is so, so NATO just expanded
          2. +2
            April 9 2023 21: 20
            Where did you see Poland on September 17th? The USSR stood on the Curzon line, on the territories chopped off earlier by Poland. And all of Europe has recognized this. The Finns were persuaded for a very long time, and as a result, now the territory is the one that Stalin proposed, and all of Europe also agrees with this. The Czechoslovak government was found another, from the Czechoslovaks. The same is true in the case of Najibullah. The USSR took the side of the "other side" in the internal conflict of these countries. Perhaps we should have waited until they got into a fight? How was it in Kazakhstan last winter? Or in your Ukraine, starting with the Maidan? Your selective memory.
            1. RUR
              -1
              April 9 2023 21: 49
              Galya, are you climbing again with your "morocco boots and river-sea boats"? In fact, bast shoes - then the most common type of footwear - were worn in Muscovy and Russia until 1930 (as in wiki), and for some reason they sailed on boats to Holland to learn how to build ships ...
              1. 0
                April 10 2023 02: 32
                This does not negate the fact that morocco was exported, and the people, who were "kozhemyakov", themselves wore bast shoes. You might think that you also wear Prado shoes. That's right, Russia had to learn how to build sea vessels, otherwise the British somehow provided logistics by sea. And piracy, too, they are. You can’t fight against galleons on boats and longboats. And what does it end up canceling?
                1. RUR
                  -1
                  April 10 2023 10: 48
                  The USSR stood on the Curzon line, on the territories chopped off earlier by Poland.

                  and what about the Curzon line in Russia bothered? It was, as it were, about ethnic borders, to which Russians have nothing to do, neither then nor now ...
                  1. -1
                    April 10 2023 19: 57
                    Not in modern Russia, but in the USSR, which included Ukraine and Belarus, the lands of Western Belarus and Western Ukraine were torn away by Poland as a result of the Polish-Soviet war under the 1921 treaty. In 1939, when Poland was defeated by Germany, and its troops could occupy these lands, they were returned to the USSR practically without a war. And this return was recognized as legal not only by Germany, but also by Great Britain with France and other Western countries. For the USSR had the right to these lands as the successor of the Russian Empire, where they had previously been part of for more than 100 years. And even earlier they were part of Rus' and other East Slavic states, the territory of which was occupied first by the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and then by the Commonwealth. However, until 1917. Russians (Great Russians), Ukrainians (Little Russians) and Belarusians were considered one people speaking different dialects of the Russian language and having a single Orthodox faith. And the vast majority of the ancestors of modern Ukrainians then called themselves Russians, Rusyns or Little Russians. It is clear that you are engaged in anti-Russian propaganda here, but you cannot so brazenly ignore historical and other facts, as you do not hesitate to do.
                    1. RUR
                      +1
                      April 10 2023 23: 24
                      Ukraine and Belarus The lands of Western Belarus and Western Ukraine were torn away by Poland as a result of the Polish-Soviet war under the 1921 treaty. In 1939, when Poland was defeated by Germany, and its troops could occupy these lands, they were returned to the USSR practically without a war.

                      Nonsense, purely formally, the Commonwealth still exists, neither an agreement on its liquidation, nor any other legal document exists, these lands were part of it longer than the Russian Empire and the USSR ... about 400 years ...

                      It is doubtful that Western Belarus and Western Ukraine wanted to go to the USSR, where atheism was introduced, private property was liquidated and famine took place, etc...

                      Guido Knopp, History of the Wehrmacht
                      http://loveread.ec/read_book.php?id=90218&p=13

                      Finally, the last factor that finally decided the fate of Poland was the blow of the Red Army in the east, a blow that hit the already exhausted Polish armed forces in the back.

                      The war against Poland created a myth that both the Germans themselves and their opponents very quickly and willingly believed - the myth that the Wehrmacht was an invincible and ultra-modern military machine. At the same time, the lightning victory over Poland cost the Wehrmacht dearly: the losses of the army almost exceeded the permissible limits: more than 16 German soldiers died. However, there were also more severe losses: almost 000% of divisional equipment was disabled. These "holes" were closed only by the spring of 50. In addition, the Germans used up most of their ammunition. It was not worth even dreaming of a quick replenishment of the reserve, since the capabilities of German industry were fairly short of the level of the needs of the Wehrmacht. The steel industry was short of 1940 tons of steel per month for the army, and there was nothing to talk about increasing the production of gunpowder. Only the fact that on September 600 the battle with Poland had already been practically won saved Germany from a difficult situation at the front.

                      By the way, Britain imposed a blockade of Germany in order to deprive it of imported raw materials, which the USSR made senseless with its supplies of raw materials to the Reich.
              2. 0
                April 10 2023 13: 54
                The argument is reminiscent of the disassembly of children after a fight: and he climbed first; and he called; and he had beaten before. However, there is no elementary arithmetic in politics. There, the calculus is different: here are grievances with claims, here is Polish arrogance, here are Sorov pupils who sometimes resemble zombies, here is the search for justice, here is the venality of politicians. In particular, I don’t understand why Ukrainian politicians didn’t come to an agreement with Donbass, because the people of Donbass are used to living with Ukraine, there were and are many people with Ukrainian roots. They just needed to be allowed to live the way they used to. And this had to be done not only with the Donbass. Personally, it seems to me that many politicians in Ukraine are just corrupt skins. If they did, then there would be no war.
    2. DO
      -1
      April 11 2023 03: 33
      Finland's accession to NATO is a set-up by the Finnish elite of its own common people.
      For logically, how can the US now harm its geopolitical adversary Russia? Yes, very simple. To strike from the Finnish territory in the north-west of Russia - now nothing will prevent them from doing this. And here it is, another hot spot, and even in a sensitive place in Russia, get it and sign it. And of course, who will get hit back? Simple Finns. Which have never been the former fraternal people of Ukraine, whose barracks with sleeping soldiers the Russian army was embarrassed to destroy in the first minutes of the NVO.
  3. +8
    April 8 2023 11: 48
    Bredyatin. The question is what did we buy? Nothing but a headache.
  4. +6
    April 8 2023 11: 53
    I agree with the author, about all the weeders, the Finns have long been de facto in NATO with 1 foot, now you need to convey to the stupid Finns that there are no more economic ivy from us and as a gift give a map of our Strategic Missile Forces strikes on their independent and proud Suomi, let them learn to live with a target for nuclear missiles on his stupid head.
    1. -3
      April 8 2023 14: 27
      as a gift, give a map of our Strategic Missile Forces strikes on their independent and proud suomi, let them learn to live with a target for nuclear missiles on their stupid head

      You should go to the Foreign Ministry to work with like-minded people.
    2. +6
      April 8 2023 16: 46
      I will add: one megaton rocket bomb with the inscription "Helsinki" should be specially allocated and its photo sent to the residents of Suomi.
  5. +3
    April 8 2023 11: 56
    Finland opened the door to the abyss. It won't last long without Russia, and nobody needs it in the West.
    1. 0
      April 9 2023 21: 07
      It is needed only by the Americans for bases, and only to control the Russian Northern Sea Route. The Finns themselves and the Finns themselves are not needed by anyone.
  6. -2
    April 8 2023 11: 56
    Quote: prior
    Already today it is necessary to take all the largest cities of Finland under the sight of missiles with nuclear warheads and let them live with it.

    NATO will do the same behind the backs of stupid Finns.
    1. -1
      April 9 2023 21: 22
      And they need to be told more clearly about this.
  7. +3
    April 8 2023 11: 56
    Yes, of course, only Finland got worse. Is it okay that the flight time of the nuclear missiles deployed by the Finns will be very short?
    1. +2
      April 8 2023 16: 48
      From Estonia, the flight is the same. More important for Russia is that NATO intelligence will be closer.
      1. -3
        April 8 2023 18: 55
        Hitting from two directions is worse than hitting from one direction for obvious reasons.
    2. +5
      April 9 2023 00: 05
      You just need to disperse large cities. to ban the construction of new housing in Moscow. Dispersal is an effective method of reducing the use of tactical nuclear weapons. And it will come in handy in the future. And then they will build humanists and then shed tears for the destroyed nature.
    3. +1
      April 10 2023 10: 32
      This only means that the Russian Federation will not have time to analyze what is launched from the opposite side and on any sneeze, a single loaf will immediately arrive ...
    4. -1
      April 10 2023 20: 07
      Well, firstly, Finland is small, and Russia is ten times larger. So Russia still has a chance, but the Finns will not have them at all. And secondly, if a patriotic government comes to power in Russia, then the Finns, if they remain in NATO, will finally lose the huge benefits that they had (and in many ways still have) from economic ties with Russia. For Finland, Russia was a huge stable market for its goods, receiving in return almost any raw material, semi-finished products and components at favorable prices. Russia can easily do without Finnish goods, and where will it sell them then? Yes, and it will cost the Finns more to replace Russian raw materials and semi-finished products.
  8. 0
    April 8 2023 12: 31
    Ukraine's accession to NATO is not allowed!!! Finland in NATO is good!!! Where is the logic??? Oh, yes, now the entire Baltic Fleet can be sold for scrap and earn money.
    1. RUR
      -1
      April 9 2023 00: 10
      you write well, but, like, you don’t understand that this is all, like, going according to plan ...
  9. -1
    April 8 2023 12: 37
    Make friends with the strong! They wipe their feet on the weak!
  10. -2
    April 8 2023 14: 08
    Not a single European member of NATO has lost absolutely anything, but has gained the most powerful political, economic and military ally in the world - the United States. It would be different, none of the 30 European state entities and about the same number in other regions of the world even thought to contact NATO, the EU, the USA.

    Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway - are in the so-called. Scandinavian Union, which, through Denmark and Norway, members of NATO, was actually a branch of NATO. So the next expansion of NATO at the expense of Sweden and Finland essentially changes nothing for the Russian Federation.

    The situation may change radically if tactical nuclear weapons are deployed in the NATO state formations bordering the Russian Federation - Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Georgia, as well as dependent Central Asian state formations and Kazakhstan, but so far it has not come to this and there is reason to hope that and won't happen in the foreseeable future.
    1. +6
      April 8 2023 14: 20
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      but acquired the world's most powerful political, economic and military ally - the United States

      The US has no allies, only lackeys.
      1. -2
        April 8 2023 15: 17
        No problem, they are all slaves. Why do slaves live better than us then? Why is the economic miracle of Japan and Korea possible? Why is the standard of living higher there, are there slaves?
        1. +8
          April 8 2023 16: 57
          Listen, master! If we are worse, different Anglo-Saxons, and live worse, this does not mean at all that we should wash our boots and obey them, live according to their laws. Let them not climb into our garden!
        2. +3
          April 8 2023 21: 07
          Quote from Hell MASTER
          Why do the serfs live better than us then? Why is the economic miracle of Japan and Korea possible?

          I still remember these tales from the USSR. In these countries, as in all countries in general, there are a lot of poor and poor people.
        3. -2
          April 9 2023 00: 10
          It's just that people work there "for real", and do not pretend to work.
        4. +2
          April 9 2023 00: 26
          Ask yourself, what do you think this 'worstness' manifests itself in? Any European can ask himself exactly the same. But the answers may not coincide, and it is not so important how much per capita falls out there, how many real goods and services this soul still has, and in society in layers with a total. Somehow you can't see a welfare society anywhere.
      2. 0
        April 10 2023 10: 34
        It would be more correct to say - six.
    2. +4
      April 8 2023 16: 51
      Now, if NATO is in Kazakhstan, then it will be a complete bummer, so if the Kazakhs apply, then Russia and China should immediately occupy it.
    3. +2
      April 9 2023 00: 10
      At the expense of losses, you are in vain. Accession for these countries to the military-political bloc means a total cleansing of the political and military space - Poland, the GDR, ... Financing the military-industrial complex of the states and participating in the actions of the Pentagon with a dubious result. This, my friend, is a loss of sovereignty and not on a voluntary basis. The PRC cannot be blamed for its weaknesses, and yet no one offers the Chinese such alliances. The states' global exploration of nation-states is their hallmark of empire-building.
  11. +3
    April 8 2023 15: 37
    The Swedes will definitely be in NATO, no doubt. Anyone who is closely familiar with the Swedish mentality is well aware that Russophobia is not a modern whim after 2014, but the cornerstone of their character, without which the self-determination of the national identity of the Swedes is impossible. To abandon the idea of ​​destroying the Russian subhuman is just as unacceptable for the Varangians as for the Russians the idea of ​​abandoning Orthodoxy. So the Swedes in NATO de jure or de facto does not matter, they have been there for a long time. It is also clear that for logistical reasons, the "Russian landing" will not arrive to them, but only I / o will arrive. But they go for it, so they accept it.
    1. -4
      April 8 2023 15: 44
      Why should Sweden and Finland destroy the Russian? What is the point? Oil and gas? So this is all cheaply sold to Europe several times cheaper than the market.
      Europe completely controlled the money of Russia, since everything is stored in their banks.
      so why would they start a war against a country with nuclear weapons? This is nonsense, pure propaganda and nothing more.
      Why were there no sanctions for 2008 and the UN recognized Georgia as the initiator? Stop looking for conspiracies where there are none
      1. +3
        April 8 2023 17: 57
        there is much less wealth in Syria than in Russia, but for some reason the United States occupied part of the territory and Israel has already begun to occupy the territory.
        and Georgia was just a decoy.
        1. +1
          April 9 2023 21: 30
          Water in the Golan, oil in Deir ez-Zor. Here is the bait for Israel and the states.
    2. +2
      April 8 2023 16: 36
      Most likely, both the Swedes and the Finns will soon be asked to host nuclear weapons for this very reason. There will be Caribbean Crisis 2.0.
      1. -6
        April 8 2023 17: 03
        The Caribbean crisis is possible only in the event of a confrontation between two equal opponents. Compare NATO and Russia, this is impossible
    3. +1
      April 9 2023 21: 28
      They have information about the Russian boot on their bone marrow (coccyx area). And I want revenge.
  12. +1
    April 8 2023 17: 57
    The funniest thing of all is that the security of Finland not only has not increased (which the adherents of the NATO Witness sect gleefully squeal about), but only sank. The notorious fifth article of the alliance's charter - as you know, who needs the fifth article, and in fact does not at all guarantee that all members of the bloc will rush to protect poor Suomi from the "treacherous attack of Russian barbarians", if this happens in reality

    The amazing confidence of the author ... winked

    This automatically means that in which case the Russian troops will not waste time and effort on breaking through the "Orpo line", but simply bombard military facilities with our nuclear weapons: which was "morally unacceptable" in relation to the "small brave nation", in relation to the bridgehead hostile bloc is more than expected. Do Finnish politicians realize this?

    Do our politicians (unlike the author) realize that this is a game of wallpaper?! I think yes!
  13. +4
    April 8 2023 20: 06
    I'm interested in what Russia has lost. The Russians gave the Finns independence in 1917 for free. In return, they received evil, hatred, an enemy.
    1. RUR
      +1
      April 9 2023 00: 23
      You just don’t tell the Finns and Poles about these Russian, like, noble fantasies, because you gave it when they themselves took this freedom and independence themselves, and nothing depended on Moscow at all, at all, although, like, noble declarations were announced ... only this was only a confirmation of the then state of affairs, to which Russia had nothing to do ...
      1. +1
        April 9 2023 21: 36
        Did you take it yourself? Because the Council of Deputies itself proclaimed the right to self-determination before secession. And there was no strength to fight against the "separators".
  14. +1
    April 8 2023 20: 20
    Quote from Hell MASTER
    No problem, they are all slaves. Why do slaves live better than us then? Why is the economic miracle of Japan and Korea possible? Why is the standard of living higher there, are there slaves?

    It’s just that the authorities there care about the well-being of their citizens, while in our country they only care about their own pocket, and our leaders don’t shine with intelligence ...
  15. -3
    April 8 2023 22: 44
    What France lost and Russia gained when Moscow burned down to take it from Napoleon.
  16. It is necessary to chop off the Baltic coast from the chukhna and bomb their paper mills
  17. +2
    April 8 2023 23: 48
    Erdogan will be eliminated - the Swedes will be drawn into NATO, and then the massacre will begin in the Middle East, the Balkans, Finland and further along the entire perimeter.
  18. +3
    April 9 2023 09: 57
    I still don’t understand what good Russia has gained from Finland’s entry into NATO? And in fact, the Americans will force Russia to carry out NWO on the territory of Finland or Estonia after NATO closes the Gulf of Finland for our fleet, both military and civilian.
  19. +1
    April 9 2023 10: 08
    A good lesson to our "donors" of Ocalan how to bend the Turks!
  20. 0
    April 9 2023 21: 13
    NATO bases on the territory must be destroyed immediately
  21. 0
    April 9 2023 21: 44
    This is the actual consolidation de jure of the situation that exists de facto. But neither the Finns nor the Swedes yet understand that here they are pawns for the Americans. And in the event of a mess, neither "their side", nor, moreover, now, ours will feel sorry for them. Until the last Viking.
  22. 0
    April 9 2023 22: 39
    Russia and the USSR have always hushed up the role of the Finns in the Second World War, against the USSR. After all, it is the Finns, along with the Germans, who are responsible for the worst crime of the 20th century - the blockade of Leningrad. It was they who blockaded Leningrad from the north. They always hated us, therefore, in vain we had normal relations with them .