All of Ukraine, except for the western regions: Russia has decided on the territorial goals of the NWO?

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Ukraine is part of Russia, however, due to geopolitical and historical reasons, the Russian Federation has long put up with the fact that the countries live “in different apartments”, separated by “fictitious borders”. This was stated by Deputy Head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev in an interview with leading Russian media.

Moreover, Ukraine is generally a part of Russia, to be honest, it is a part of Russia. But due to geopolitical reasons and due to the history of what happened, we put up with the fact that we live in different apartments for a long time.

Medvedev said.



We are forced to reckon with this, with these fictitious borders, with territories that have always been part of not just the Russian Empire, it was all the Russian Empire, this is understandable, except for certain areas that came to us as a result of the Second World War. So even these territories were inhabited by the original Russian population and have always been part of Russia in the narrow sense of the word - great Russia, and not small Russia

he also added.

Last summer, Medvedev already published a map of the future of Ukraine "according to Western analysts." On it, "Square" was divided between Russia (most), Poland, Romania and Hungary. Nevertheless, even on that map, the state "Ukraine" still remained. However, this approach appears to be about to change.

The question of Ukrainian statehood


No matter how paradoxical it may sound, but the declared goals of the NWO - demilitarization and denazification - did not initially mean the loss of statehood by Ukraine. Remove the Ukronazis from all government posts and give their actions a legal assessment (up to the highest measure), purge key public institutions from them and their pernicious influence - science, education, the media - yes. But the words that the state "Ukraine" will de facto cease to exist, were not heard from the first persons of the Russian Federation.

Today, the situation is changing right before our eyes. One can only guess what was discussed in the closed part of the talks between Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping, but it is unlikely that Medvedev's statement that Ukraine is part of Russia, published literally the day after Comrade Xi's departure, can be considered a coincidence. Of course, the exact wording of the non-public Russian-Chinese agreements is unlikely to be made public. But it is not difficult to guess that the official statements announced as a result of the talks are just the tip of the iceberg.

So it's quite likely that political The decision to “denationalise” Ukraine has already been made. And not just accepted, but also conveyed to Russia's key ally. And the whole question is how exactly this denationalization will take place. Will this be a classic “Polish” scenario, according to which the Commonwealth was repeatedly divided, or is something new waiting for us? Considering that NATO countries are almost all-in-one near the western borders of Ukraine, the second option is much more likely.

Section Options


It is clear that since the beginning of the NWO, the scenarios for the division of Ukraine have been at least a beaten topic, but the events of recent weeks still make adjustments to them. So it is logical to consider the situation for each of the possible applicants on the territory of the former Ukraine separately.

Let's start from the southwest - from Romania. The Romanian leadership is now busy absorbing Moldova (the law on renaming the Moldovan language into Romanian, etc.) and until recently showed little interest in the division of Ukrainian territories. Although the appetite, of course, comes with eating. On March 22, a draft law on the denunciation of the treaty on good neighborliness and cooperation between Romania and Ukraine was submitted to the Romanian Parliament. It explicitly proposes the accession by the Romanian side of a number of territories of Ukraine, including the city of Izmail and Snake Island.

However, this bill has not yet received wide support in Romania. Which, by the way, is quite logical. Romanians are unlikely to redirect attention from protest-ridden Moldova, where the chair under the pro-Romanian president Sandu is already in full swing, to Ukraine.

Next, let's move on to Hungary, which would really gladly regain Transcarpathia. Ethnic Hungarians were infringed on their rights there in every possible way during all thirty years of “independence”. And official Budapest, like no one else, knows what modern Ukrainian nationalism is like.

Hungarian Prime Minister Orban, by the way, has already given unequivocal signals that he is ready for the return of Transcarpathia. Like, for example, the scarf defiantly worn by him with “Great Hungary”, including the territory of “Independence”, from which the Ukrainian media went into hysterics - it would seem a trifle, but, as they say, who needs it - he understood.

In addition, regarding the possible reunification of Transcarpathia with Hungary, it is important to note one more nuance. If you look at things realistically, then the special position of the Hungarian leadership on the situation around Ukraine can hardly be due solely to the desire to preserve economic connections with Russia and save on energy. The repeated blocking of anti-Russian sanctions within the EU, the denial of the transit of NATO weapons through Hungarian territory, the general tone of rhetoric regarding the future of the conflict - all this makes it clear that Orban is clearly counting on something as a result of the NWO. For something that neither the US nor the EU can give him. But Russia can. If you do not give, then at least do not interfere with the free expression of the will of the inhabitants of Transcarpathia. If they want to become part of Hungary based on the results of a referendum, then so be it.

Now to the main contenders for Western Ukrainian lands - the Poles. There is an opinion that, given the actions of Warsaw, they should not get an inch of Ukrainian land. However, if you look at the situation from a different angle, it becomes clear that Russia can benefit from this. Especially considering that it is up to us to carry out denazification after the end of the SVO in Ukraine.

Few people talk about this, but the return of Lvov to Poland will actually mean the collapse of the whole idea of ​​“Westernism”. What kind of Ukrainian nationalism can we talk about if the key region on whose worldview it is built becomes part of another state - Poland? Moreover, the same Poland, with which Ukrainian nationalists fought in the past for territories and whose population was slaughtered along ethnic lines (Volyn massacre). The same Poland, which last year took out the entire gold and foreign exchange reserve of Ukraine (more than 27 billion dollars) before the "normalization of the situation."

Presumably, the Polish annexation of Western Ukraine will become the normalization of the situation. And what would it look like in this case? Poland stole all the money of Ukraine, took away the territory of Ukraine, while not forgetting to add more fuel to the fire of the destruction of Ukraine by supplying weapons and ammunition and sending its mercenaries. The elites of the Western Ukrainian regions, there is no doubt, will run into Poland, literally “dropping their slippers”, leaving their former compatriots at the first call from Warsaw.

Well, what future can the idea of ​​"Westernism" have after that? Well, it was, so ambitious and cocky, accepted as the core of Ukrainian politics after the 2014 coup d'état. But after a few years, it decided to leave its country in full force. And after all, not in order to preserve Ukrainian statehood, but in order to officially become Polish territory. No, of course, anything has happened in the history of mankind, but nationalists who deliberately abandon their Nazi state and leave it for another country along with the lands (!), This will obviously be something new. And yes, here I would like to mention the notorious quote from the Polish ambassador to France, recently replicated by the media.

Either Ukraine will defend its independence today, and if not, then we will be forced to join this conflict

- said Ambassador Rostsishevsky.

Many analysts said that Warsaw was going to fight with Russia. Strange as it may seem, it is much more likely that the Polish diplomat (who later tried to “back off” through the efforts of his colleagues) really spoke not about the war with Moscow, but about the annexation of Western Ukraine. After all, wouldn't that be Poland's involvement in the conflict? Will become. Does this mean a mandatory clash between Polish troops and the RF Armed Forces? No, it doesn't.

No matter how cynical it may sound, the whole question is in agreements. Any war really ends in peace. And if this means the division of Ukraine between Russia, Poland and Hungary, then so be it.

And in the case of the most odiously behaving Warsaw, it is important to understand one thing: there is no Lviv as part of Ukraine - there is no “Westernism”. There is no "Westernization" - there is no core of Ukrainian nationalism. There is no core of Ukrainian nationalism - and one of the tasks of the SVO (denazification) receives a powerful impetus for implementation. What will the ideological Ukronazis on the territory of Ukraine open up to when its western lands are annexed? To Poland, which stole gold, money, and territories from Ukraine under the guise of aid?
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  1. RUR
    -6
    24 March 2023 10: 25
    Some people are starting to get it:

    https://iarex.ru/news/92460.html

    A politician of the stature of Dmitry Medvedev should have been more precise in his statements. What does “Ukraine is generally part of Russia” mean? Which Russia? Current? Historical? Or was Ukraine still part of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, but due to the destruction of the Russian Empire at the first stage, and then the destruction of the USSR, became an independent state? There should be no understatement and, moreover, deliberate outrageousness.

    Dmitry Medvedev has no desire to “put up with the fact that we live in different apartments”, let him not put up with it, but how many of us have those who want to settle all Ukrainians again in our “apartment”? And especially those who want to give their lives and the lives of their sons for this?

    Ukraine is part of Russia

    Ukraine and Belarus, Lithuania became part of the Empire as a province as a result of partitions, later, after the Congress of Vienna, a significant part of Poland as a union, i.e. a separate state with the Russian tsar at the head - hence until 1863 the name of the Kingdom of Poland ... sections - this is still not a voluntary entry ...
    1. 0
      24 March 2023 21: 45
      sections - this is still not a voluntary entry ...

      What are you about? What could be voluntary entry in the second half of the 18th century?
      1. RUR
        -6
        24 March 2023 22: 05
        What are you talking about? The Commonwealth of the Three Nations is a union or union, a political project of 1658-1659 for the transformation of the confederation of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (that is, the Commonwealth of the Two Peoples) into a triune state (the Commonwealth of the Three Peoples), the association is completely voluntary .., of course after Hordes such seems like a fantasy so far
        1. +5
          24 March 2023 22: 57
          The Kingdom of Poland + V.Kn.Litovskoe - two peoples, and then suddenly three peoples. Where did the third people come from and what kind of people are they?
          Partitions of Poland - second half of the 18th century. Why did you suddenly jump into the Commonwealth and the horde? Is the association completely voluntary? Unlikely.
          1. RUR
            -7
            24 March 2023 23: 20
            It is believed that progress becomes more significant over time, if you did not know, and you get a regression over time, not progress. The Lithuanian prince Jagiello was crowned king of Poland, and became king * (Jagello - in Polish) Two peoples too - voluntarily ... three peoples. - this is with the lands of central Ukraine of the Grand Duchy of Russia (without two 'c')

            in general, use the Internet - everything is there, and do not make naive assumptions - "Hardly"
            1. +1
              25 March 2023 08: 33
              The history of the Commonwealth is not included in the range of my scientific interests.

              generally use the Internet - everything is there,

              This phrase says that you have absolutely no historical education, and you are an ordinary Internet educated person. Many users rightly compare the Internet with a garbage dump - "everything is there", and you pull out various facts from the mountains of garbage that fit your "inferences", and you juggle these facts here.
              I simply disdain to communicate with such "historians". Even on the Internet.
        2. +1
          25 March 2023 00: 14
          Who taught you history?! The Polish-Lithuanian union was created in 1385 (and not in 1658!). Russia at that time was under the rule of the Mongols
          1. RUR
            -3
            25 March 2023 00: 31
            I just wanted to show the instructor of the trampoline zone the closest Unia to the 18th century - he wrote about the 18th century, and I - the 17th century ... the instructor argued that there could be nothing voluntary in the 18th century, and, it seems, did not understand what else in the 17th voluntary association could be, what is there to say about the 14th century? Actually, I wrote about the coronation of Prince Jagiello ... it's strange that you didn't notice
        3. +1
          25 March 2023 02: 07
          There was no common language until 1608 or 1619! The name Rzeczpospolita itself can be translated as Rzecz-cut, divide: we remove one (Z) and (C), pospolita-in half, REZ-thing in half, common thing in half, equally. Version not mine
          1. 0
            25 March 2023 08: 56
            So if it was a confederation, then on most issues they were independent. They could be united by issues of the army (defense), finance, etc.
    2. +6
      24 March 2023 22: 53
      But nothing, why did Tsar Peter the Great simply buy the entire Baltic states from Sweden stupidly for money?! What other union? And Poland generally became part of the Russian Empire simply as a conquered territory after the defeat of Napoleon in 1814. You, dear man, are talking nonsense.
      1. -5
        24 March 2023 23: 14
        Tsar Peter the Great just bought the whole Baltic region from Sweden stupidly for money?!

        Pardon me ... what university did you study the history of Russia at?
        1. 0
          25 March 2023 20: 49
          Is history only taught in universities? You, dear man, are talking nonsense.
          1. -2
            25 March 2023 21: 57
            So you studied it first at school, and then on the Internet, which is why you are carrying the nonsense you mentioned here.
            1. 0
              25 March 2023 23: 08
              You, my dear man, say something more convincing, otherwise you are talking nonsense.
              1. 0
                26 March 2023 11: 42
                Read the textbook of the history of Russia for the 7th grade of the secondary school, it says, as a result of what events Russia received the lands that today are called the Baltic states.
                My history lessons are expensive, you can't afford them.
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  2. +7
    24 March 2023 10: 41
    An important point on the division of Ukraine.
    The transfer of Western Ukraine to the Poles will worsen the geopolitical situation in Belarus and the Kaliningrad region, because. will lead to the fact that NATO will hang over Belarus and will not leave plans to cut off the Belarusian balcony. After that, immediately Poland and NATO hang over the Kaliningrad region, where even now we have not simple questions about the geopolitical situation. When cutting off the Belarusian balcony, NATO will have the possibility of a complete blockade of the Kaliningrad region. Therefore, you need to think 100-100000 times what to do with western Ukraine.
    1. RUR
      -4
      24 March 2023 14: 18
      Transfer of Western Ukraine to the Poles

      I really liked the word - transmission ... Ukrainians themselves have been deciding for more than a year now that Moscow has nothing to betray Poland so far ... In general, life in Ukraine is in many ways different from Russian / Moscow or Eurasian, if you use the main Russian / Russian ideology -
      in Ukraine, presidents are changing, it seems that none of them has served two terms, but in Russia, as the secretary general / president sat in the chair of the ruler, this, often, before being carried out with their feet forward ...
      Historically, life in the Horde / Muscovy / Kingdom / Empire in comparison with Ukraine as part of the Commonwealth was also very different:

      http://ebookiriran.ru/index.php?view=article&section=8&id=108

      Proceedings of the Institute of Russian History. Issue 8 / Russian Academy of Sciences, Institute of Russian History; resp. ed. A.N. Sakharov, comp. E.N. Rudaya. M.: Nauka, 2009. 383 p. 24 p.l. 24,4 us.-ed.l.

      On the territories of the Right-bank Ukraine and Belarus, there were lands of a number of voivodships, headed respectively by voivodes of Kyiv, Russians, etc. Most of the land on the Right Bank was owned by magnates, and all the cities of this region were also privately owned.

      For comparison, from a modern Russian school textbook:

      https://resh.edu.ru/subject/lesson/7919/conspect/254314/

      Khan owned all the lands and population. His power was based on a huge army and numerous officials ...

      those. private property is completely absent, and therefore it is now believed that:
      https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/zapadnyy-feodalizm-i-russkiy-obschestvennyy-stroy-polemika-s-a-a-gorskim

      It is no coincidence that in our time, researchers are increasingly saying that there was no feudalism in the Russian lands.

      Differences like this cannot be ignored.
      1. +6
        24 March 2023 19: 20
        Quote: RUR
        presidents are changing in Ukraine, it seems that none has served two terms,

        Well, what has changed from this?
        1. RUR
          -3
          24 March 2023 21: 38
          Well, what do you think yourself, what happens when a person sits for 25-30 years or up to feet first?
          1. +1
            25 March 2023 16: 45
            RUR, The 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution limits the tenure of the President to two four-year terms. Bill Clinton, and before him, Richard Nixon, spoke out for the abolition of this restriction. New York Democrat Jose Serrano introduced a bill to repeal the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, and so on.

            RUR, hurry to the US before they cancel the amendment. And live there, stupid. laughing
          2. +2
            26 March 2023 11: 10
            Quote: RUR
            Well, what do you think is going on?

            I asked a very simple and specific question and would like to receive the same answer.

            Quote: Dart2027
            Well, what has changed from this?
        2. -1
          25 March 2023 02: 17
          Reading official historical science when there are other versions on the Internet is not modern. Putin, Medvedev, State Duma, Roskanals, for 7 years hush up the history of Ukrainization of 1925-32, as well as Ukrainization of the UCR of 1917-19. that is why they then lost Ukraine, for hiding the history of Ukrainization, as well as Ukrainophilism in Galicia since 1885. In fact, our government is Ukrainophilism
      2. +1
        24 March 2023 21: 49
        presidents are changing in Ukraine, it seems that not one has served two terms ...

        When it seems, you need to be baptized.
        1. RUR
          +1
          24 March 2023 22: 00
          I appreciate your accuracy, but 10 years is not 25-30 years or up to feet first.
          1. +2
            24 March 2023 23: 00
            Which of the presidents of Russia has been president for 25-30 years or up to feet first?
            Surnames.
            1. RUR
              -1
              24 March 2023 23: 26
              Putin is almost such a term (and it’s strange that you don’t see / understand this), and with Xi’s support that he received, it will be 30 ... of course, he will be re-elected, since he has Chinese support
              1. -1
                25 March 2023 09: 00
                "Almost like this", "WILL" ...
                you jump here like one insect on a ridge.
                First you blurt out, and then you start to dodge.

                Which of the presidents of Russia has been president for 25-30 years or up to feet first?
                Surnames.
      3. -1
        25 March 2023 14: 02
        You don’t know modern history well, but you climb into ancient years. How many times has Kuchma been president in Ukraine? But in the fact that not one has served the due date, you are right here, thieves for whom the prison is crying.
        1. 0
          25 March 2023 15: 27
          I wrote about Kuchma yesterday at 21.49, but his name was erased for an unknown reason. All "served their terms," ​​except for Yanukovych.

          The prison wept very much for Tymoshenko, and she went there; wrote that her "dungeons" in their comfort and size were not inferior to the apartments in the "Hilton".
    2. +3
      24 March 2023 23: 03
      That is why, Ukraine must be taken all the way to the Polish border, so that later part of western Ukraine can be exchanged from Poland for the Suwalki Voivodeship, adjacent to the Kaliningrad region and Belarus. And support all the balconies, if anything, with Iskanders.
      1. -2
        24 March 2023 23: 16
        That is why Ukraine must be taken all the way to the Polish border,

        Here you are, go ahead and take it. If possible.
        1. +1
          25 March 2023 20: 54
          Here you are, go ahead and take it. If possible.

          What, you have nothing more to say? Out of arguments?
          1. -2
            25 March 2023 22: 01
            The loudest screamers here scream, who probably know that neither they nor their relatives will go to fight in Ukraine, and this confidence makes them unnecessarily active and noisy here.
            1. 0
              25 March 2023 23: 11
              I’m definitely not going to fight for Ukraine, I’ve been to Ukraine only once, and then in my childhood I was passing through.
              1. -2
                26 March 2023 11: 46
                I'm definitely not going to fight for Ukraine

                I didn't doubt it. But you are yelling here for three, that there you have to take other people's lives. I don't feel sorry for my own.
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  3. +6
    24 March 2023 10: 44
    I’ve said for a long time that these western regions are not needed, let the Poles suffer with them. But for these regions, let them give us part of the territory with all their Russophobic code so that there would be a corridor to Kaliningrad. I think it’s a good exchange. And Odessa and the rest of the regions, up to Kiev is all Russia. Well, maybe more wink
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    2. +3
      25 March 2023 02: 26
      Putin not only lost Ukraine-outskirts, near the edge, but also Moldova, Sandu signed a document on renaming the Moldovan language into Romanian. In fact, Moldova is in Romania, and therefore in NATO. By his 70s, Putin has lost everything in his 20 years in power, along with his party EP and SR. In the State Duma, the EP has 330 seats, and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation has 55 seats. So consider who destroyed everything
      1. -2
        25 March 2023 09: 02
        Questions of language have nothing to do with who is there and what lost.
      2. +1
        25 March 2023 20: 57
        Sandu, by renaming the Moldovan language into Romanian, violated the law - the constitution of Moldova.
        1. -1
          25 March 2023 22: 03
          Let's give them the opportunity to figure out their own language.
          Your attempts in the field of Russian history and Moldo-Romanian linguistics cause nothing but regret for me :)
    3. +1
      27 March 2023 20: 55
      there the only thing that is attractive and valuable is all sorts of mountains. and for tourism and sacred geographical meaning (if you look for the esoteric meaning of territories and geo objects)
  4. +5
    24 March 2023 10: 53
    You won't gain anything by military means now, except for hemorrhoids. And The Hague in the future.
    It was necessary to pay salaries and pensions to people for two thousand euros, to shoot thieves on Red and Palace Squares, not to take money offshore, not to build palaces and yachts, but to build schools and hospitals instead of churches.
    Then there would be no need to fight!
    1. +6
      24 March 2023 18: 16
      They are trying to gloss over the failed policy on the territory of the former USSR (and not only) with loud statements!
    2. +5
      24 March 2023 23: 56
      Can you tell us more about the US military presence in Syria and Iraq, and at the same time about the US-led NATO aggression against Yugoslavia in 1999? There is one of the largest American bases in Kosovo now, isn't it? How is it with the prospect of The Hague?
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  6. +6
    24 March 2023 11: 20
    Mr. Medvedev is, to put it mildly, very careless in his statements.
    Transferring “kitchen” chatter to public space is not in order.
    Any nonsense "can" be carried to Solovyov, who in every broadcast bombs Paris, Berlin, London, etc. with atomic bombs. But this is not healthy ..... Why sink to the level of etheric zashkvar.
    Through the box they bring teenagers and old people to tremors with war and, of course, nuclear ...
    Schoolchildren have a very strange and new ... immeasurable fear, apathy and indifference to the future.
    Which parent has not heard... It was you who lived well, traveled everywhere, and now we have a war and all this....

    Medvedev began to talk a lot, defiantly and aggressively. But not on business, without strategy and logic.
    If consistent, then file for the denunciation of the Belovezhsky ...
    Vaughn and the Old Man are nearby. But no .... Empty talk and nonsense are one thing, and reality is behind the screen.
    Both Belarus and Ukraine are members of the UN.
    Part of Ukraine will still remain as a state. Even after surrender.

    Waving your tongue to the right and to the left not out of rank and out of position ....
    Maybe he has nothing to do? So send him as Ambassador somewhere in Africa.
    There he will need both Twitter and Facebook and the language will come in handy.
  7. -2
    24 March 2023 11: 40
    They forgot the most important thing: who will allow them to divide Ukraine? Definitely not the USA.
    1. +2
      25 March 2023 14: 06
      And who allowed to divide Yugoslavia? Yeltsin?
      1. +1
        26 March 2023 19: 25
        Partly yes, given how Russia then threw the Serbs.
        I mean that neither Romania nor Poland are independent and follow the instructions from Washington, and the described scenario is beneficial for Russia. So why would the United States allow them to divide Ukraine and thereby help Russia? On the contrary, they will support Ukraine to the last.
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  9. +1
    24 March 2023 13: 05
    Words, words, but where is the Law. The Russian Federation needs a Law that says that the entire territory of Ukraine is an integral part of Russia. Take an example from China, everything in Taiwan is formalized by Laws, Taiwan is the territory of the PRC. There is the Federal Constitutional Law of December 17, 2001 N 6-FKZ
    "On the procedure for admission to the Russian Federation and the formation of a new subject of the Russian Federation as part of it," but therefore the law can be adopted if the people vote in a referendum for joining the Russian Federation. Kyiv and other republics, NATO will never allow a referendum. So there is only one way left, the military one and the issuance of a new Law on the unilateral inclusion of the entire territory of Ukraine into Russia. There can be no division of Ukraine. The division of Ukraine is the defeat of the Russian Federation. Did the year of the war in Ukraine teach nothing?
    1. +3
      24 March 2023 20: 35
      Germany is still occupied by the US. According to this principle, part or all of Ukraine can also be occupied, since it threatens the territorial integrity of Russia. Here, only "dreams ... dreams ... where is your sweetness." You also need to conquer the whole of Ukraine, but there are no such forces.
      1. +2
        25 March 2023 14: 08
        There are forces, but the Abramovichs will not allow
    2. -1
      24 March 2023 23: 57
      Did the year of the war in Ukraine teach you nothing?

      He obviously didn't teach you. The war lasts a year and the loot is scanty, but you want all of Ukraine? Have you lost your mind somewhere?
      1. 0
        25 March 2023 21: 05
        If the NWO were conducted by the military, and not by the oligarchs, the war would have already ended. As for the bobble, according to the IMF, Russia’s GDP growth for 2022 was 0,3% with all sanctions, the percentage is not large, but still growth with all the aggravating circumstances!
    3. +2
      25 March 2023 02: 39
      First, we need an investigation into the Ukrainization of 1925-32! But there will be no law, since the entire State Duma has been hiding the historical fact for 7 years, although a law on “decommunization” has been adopted in Ukraine, it was useful to open an investigation into the history of “Ukrainization” while the history of Ukrainization and the renaming of Little Russia and Little Russians into Ukrainians will be hushed up 1917 of the UCR in its "generalists" no law that Ukraine is part of Russia cannot be in the State Duma of the ED, SR,
  10. +7
    24 March 2023 13: 14
    Should not be given to Poland. Let there be Galicia. And then we'll figure it out. Lutsk and Rivne cannot be given away.
    1. +1
      25 March 2023 11: 41
      Not "Galicia", but Lviv, Rivne and Ternopil regions as part of Russia!
    2. +1
      25 March 2023 21: 08
      Should not be given to Poland. Let there be Galicia. And then we'll figure it out. Lutsk and Rivne cannot be given away.

      Perhaps you are right, but these are already nuances - we will figure it out.
  11. +4
    24 March 2023 13: 28
    We often talk about how difficult it is to understand China. But for a country that has long been collecting its lands, we also become misunderstood. First, the Belovezhskaya agreement, then close trade with Ukraine. Then our times. As for Poland, I think she is satisfied with the current situation. A stream of weapons flows through it. And possibly money. Further fantasy is not enough.
  12. +6
    24 March 2023 14: 34
    Ah, nothing.
    China, write on more analytical sites, blah blah for all the good things. But "build your own" Power of Siberia 2.
    So nefig to cling to them.

    Ukraine - that there are enough forces to "join", then it will come out. It's clear from the start. and all the chatter is for "blondes".
    The desire to blame everything on China, Poland, Brussels, Honduras, the State Department .... this childhood is blond in the minds
    There are a lot of proverbs like: "a bad dancer is always interfered with" .... "For the sake of record profits, the elite is ready to sell everything to NATO no matter what" (non-verbatim)
  13. +7
    24 March 2023 15: 20
    If Medvedev and Putin continue to "chew snot", then instead of the territories we will get uranium contamination of the area for centuries. God sent us trepachi. Mediocrity, when are you going to do things?
  14. +4
    24 March 2023 15: 27
    The skin of Ukraine is already being divided, first you need to have this skin and then you will see. Poland has a plan - from sea to sea. Some here propose not to interfere with Poland to annex western Ukraine, that is, to help her in the implementation of this plan. Voluntarily strengthen your worst historical enemy. As a result of the Second World War, Poland already got too much, we can talk about the Suwalki corridor, which it should transfer to the Russian Federation
    1. -1
      25 March 2023 00: 01
      what is so humble? Suwal corridor? Why don't you want to go straight to Paris? Do you think how you write?
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  15. +1
    24 March 2023 16: 58
    There are Belovezhskaya agreements, internationally recognized, incl. and RF
    Based on the logic of Mr. Medvedev, not only Ukraine, Kazakhstan and all post-Soviet state formations are part of Russia - a direct path to war, in which the Russian Federation has no chance. This is in a patriotic frenzy, Mr. Medvedev understands?
    Following the logic of Mr. Medvedev and neighboring state entities can claim the territory of the Russian Federation and, above all, our hope - the PRC, the German chancellor gave a map of China in 1879 for a reason, which raised the ninth wave of the tsunami, a surge of nationalism and patriotism in the PRC.

    The issue of Ukraine's possible loss of its statehood was relevant before the start of the NWO, and today it has completely disappeared from the agenda and the upcoming negotiations with the nationalists, and the 12-point plan proposed by the PRC, which the Russian Federation agrees to take as a basis, does not provide for the loss of statehood of Ukraine.
    If the Russian Federation beats off the expected counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Russian Federation will have more bargaining chips and chances to gain the territories of Crimea and the DPR-LPR and possibly other territories that it can occupy and hold.
    The international recognition of the new borders of the Russian Federation is guaranteed to ensure a compromise with Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania - NATO members who will not give up the adjacent territories of Ukraine that they secretly claim, but what will remain after the division between the Russian Federation and the NAT and will be called Ukraino and only because that the Russian Federation cannot quickly and convincingly defeat the Ukrainian army and conclude an agreement on its own terms, but is forced to gnaw through the defenses and rely on intermediaries, from whom there is no end.
    1. +2
      24 March 2023 19: 43
      The territory of Ukraine is a gray zone, a draw. The Treaty "On Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" dated May 31, 1997 ceased to be valid on April 1, 2019 due to its denunciation by Ukraine. The termination of this Treaty releases the Russian Federation from any obligation in relation to Ukraine. Since the borders were established by the Helsinki Accords of 1975, signed by the United States, 30 countries, NATO is waiting for the Russian Federation to decide on the borders itself, and after that Poland, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia will start pulling the rest of the territory of Ukraine. The solution is in the Kremlin.
  16. +5
    24 March 2023 22: 03
    We are forced to reckon with this, with these fictitious borders, with territories that have always been part of not just the Russian Empire, it was all the Russian Empire, this is understandable, except for certain areas that came to us as a result of the Second World War.

    Medvedev is a lawyer, but in this case he put it very clumsily.
    On August 23, 1939, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed, which defined new borders in Eastern Europe. After September 1, the Germans occupied part of Poland, after September 17, the Soviets occupied the eastern regions of Poland, which in Soviet historiography were called Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. The new districts became part of the Ukrainian SSR and the BSSR not as a result of World War II, but already in November 1939.
    1. +2
      24 March 2023 23: 34
      After the military borders were fixed by the Helsinki Accords of 1975, they are signed by the USA, France, Great Britain, the USSR, etc. only 30 signatures. Changing the borders of Poland and others is not so simple.
      1. +3
        25 March 2023 10: 01
        It is only unclear where the Helsinki agreements were during the collapse of Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, the USSR and the unification of Germany.
        Kosovo was also registered separately in 1975 :(.
    2. +1
      25 March 2023 00: 07
      And what is wrong? World War II began in September 1939. And the demarcation of the state borders of the USSR following its results took place during the Yalta Conference of 1945.
      1. +4
        25 March 2023 10: 09
        In fact, the new (old) lands became part of the USSR already in November 1939, and not "according to the results."

        I didn't say it wasn't. I said that lawyer Medvedev should speak very accurately and accurately, but he spoke clumsily - essentially correct, but absurd in form.
  17. +5
    25 March 2023 00: 16
    Can't you just give this Zapadensky filth a goofball, and send some of them to raise agriculture in Chukotka?
    1. +3
      25 March 2023 09: 27
      Can. but for this you need to work ... and all kinds of LADIES can only write tweets ... and remember the story about the lands that have always been somewhere there ... moreover, not paying attention to the fact that the same Kerch is 2000 years old, and in it has been part of Russia for several centuries ...

      and most importantly, on the same basis, the Germans have every reason to demand the return of the Kaliningrad region ... and if the Armenians open the map of the 10th century and Great Armenia ...

      one must live on the basis of historical realities, and not phantom pains ... while we have the Yeltsin Center in Russia, while on the grave of this character, who created independent Ukraine (and not Lenin) Putin wears flowers on the DR, talk about what some historical events are simply ridiculous ...

      The Russian Empire, through the efforts of the upper strata, destroyed itself in February 1917 ... various kinds of UNRs, Azerbaijani democratic republics, BNRs and so on were formed on its fragments. but the Bolsheviks were able to defeat all these quasi-entities and return the regions to a single country. and the Yeltsins, greedy for personal power and personal enrichment, destroyed this united country. Chubais, Sobchaks and their other servants represented by all sorts of former KGB officers from Dresden ...

      want to return the territory? so firstly, offer the people of these territories an image of the future ... and instead of the future, we have quotes from Ilyin, the great writer Solzhenitsyn and "temples within walking distance" ... it is quite natural that between THIS and "lace panties" Ukrainians choose the second
  18. +1
    25 March 2023 09: 07
    Why is Belarus ignored? They also have the right to territory.
    1. 0
      25 March 2023 09: 34
      well, if you dig well, then Belarus has rights to Smolensk, since the Grand Duchy of Lithuania owned these lands ... stop doing historical digging ... otherwise you will play out until the complete collapse of Russia. Soviet soldiers made Uzhgorod, Chernivtsi and other Soviet cities at the cost of their lives. if you honor their memory, then you need to honor everything for which they gave their lives. if not, then it's time to stop these ostentatious events on May 9th ... when the Mausoleum of the one with whose banners and slogans that war was won is draped ... we won, we, we ... you are the "huge metropolis" Marinka with 3 houses you can't take...

      secondly, I absolutely do not understand the idiotic desire to give Poland territory ... the most Russophobic country in Europe ... do you think you will be grateful for this or what will they be there? for them, this will be a clear sign of Russia's weakness and an even greater rise in ambitions for Poland from sea to sea ... Are you ready to give Kaliningrad to the Poles? or do you prefer to run the Germans there?

      Romania is actively climbing into Moldova, if things continue like this, then Chisinau, Balti, Comrat, and even Tiraspol will be absorbed by Bucharest ... but this is not enough for us and we are ready to throw them Chernivtsi as well. maybe then immediately give Moscow to the Poles? Well, what, they were historically here ...
  19. -1
    25 March 2023 09: 13
    the desire to strengthen the lands of such a frank enemy as Poland I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ... with Romania you can only talk in the section of the exchange of territories ... the Russian-speaking parts of Moldova, together with Chisinau, should remain Russia. otherwise it turns out that they eat Chisinau, and even kind Russia will give them Chernivtsi.

    ingenious in its stupidity decision. the entire territory of Ukraine should be part of Russia ideally. or independent. Russia will not receive any benefits from the enlargement of Poland. how not to receive gratitude. why the lives of Russian soldiers rake the heat for the Poles is not clear
    1. +2
      25 March 2023 10: 29
      with Romania you can only talk in the section of the exchange of territories ... the Russian-speaking parts of Moldova, together with Chisinau, should remain Russia.

      I'll try to show you more.

      What is "Russian speaking"? Ethnic Moldovans speak 98% Russian. They speak especially well at the age of 45+, who caught the USSR with its mandatory study of the Russian language in schools. Are they all Russian speakers too?

      In 1989, the data of the last census of the USSR showed in the MSSR the presence of 12% of ethnic Russians on both banks of the Dniester. In 1990, Transnistria broke away from Moldova - no one counted the number of ethnic Russians there.
      The data of the last census of Moldova reported that 5% of ethnic Russians remained in Moldova (!!!). Of these 5%, the vast majority are aged 65+ (children and grandchildren of the "occupiers"). All the rest simply parted ways.
      Who should "remain Russia" there? Which Chisinau? Which Comrat, given that the Gagauz have almost completely moved to Moscow-Moscow region?

      Finally, someone asked them themselves if they wanted to hypothetically join somewhere? Practically how to do this, if Russia and Moldova do not even have a common border, and Ukraine is between them?
    2. -1
      25 March 2023 11: 29
      there should be no Ukraine in principle - after all these historical senseless bloodshed!
      "Ukrainianism" was invented by our enemies - this invention to the underworld!
  20. -2
    25 March 2023 13: 45
    The author is not familiar with the history of Ancient Rus' as such. He is also unfamiliar with the history of Austria-Hungary, and also not familiar with the Transylvanian question.
    It is important to understand that Romania as a state actually arose thanks to the POLITICAL WILL of the Russian Empire.
    Transylvania at that moment was not and could not be in its composition. But Moldova, as a state, existed much earlier than the emergence of a state with the name Romania.
    As for Galicia, Volhynia and Podol, including Ochakov, this is the historical part of the "Novgorod Commonwealth" - an ancient state, an ally of Ancient Rome. Talk about the fact that these are the Lands of the Russian Empire is not very correct.
    If for me - "Russian Empire" - this is the highest format for the unification of the 4 Novgorod Republics and the Moscow Grand Duchy.
    And for you, it is an Empire led by hereditary absolute monarchs. In this case, the reformatting of Ukrainian statehood is impossible.
    1. +1
      25 March 2023 15: 41
      As for Galicia, Volyn and Podil, including Ochakov, then this is a historical part of the "Novgorod Commonwealth" - an ancient state, an ally of Ancient Rome.

      In! Another "historical discovery"!
      It remains only to find out what kind of Novgorod we are talking about, Veliky or Nizhny? lol
    2. 0
      25 March 2023 16: 32
      As for Galicia, Volyn and Podol, including Ochakov, this is the historical part of the "Novgorod Commonwealth" - an ancient state, an ally of Ancient Rome

      What was it??? belay
    3. 0
      25 March 2023 21: 14
      As for Galicia, Volhynia and Podol, including Ochakov, this is the historical part of the "Novgorod Commonwealth" - an ancient state, an ally of Ancient Rome.

      Where is the Novgorod speech of the Commonwealth? Historically and geographically indicate the location of the region. Did you really study history?
  21. -2
    25 March 2023 14: 29
    Quote: RUR
    Transfer of Western Ukraine to the Poles

    I really liked the word - transmission ... Ukrainians themselves have been deciding for more than a year now that Moscow has nothing to betray Poland so far ... In general, life in Ukraine is in many ways different from Russian / Moscow or Eurasian, if you use the main Russian / Russian ideology -
    in Ukraine, presidents are changing, it seems that none of them has served two terms, but in Russia, as the secretary general / president sat in the chair of the ruler, this, often, before being carried out with their feet forward ...
    Historically, life in the Horde / Muscovy / Kingdom / Empire in comparison with Ukraine as part of the Commonwealth was also very different:

    http://ebookiriran.ru/index.php?view=article&section=8&id=108

    Proceedings of the Institute of Russian History. Issue 8 / Russian Academy of Sciences, Institute of Russian History; resp. ed. A.N. Sakharov, comp. E.N. Rudaya. M.: Nauka, 2009. 383 p. 24 p.l. 24,4 us.-ed.l.

    On the territories of the Right-bank Ukraine and Belarus, there were lands of a number of voivodships, headed respectively by voivodes of Kyiv, Russians, etc. Most of the land on the Right Bank was owned by magnates, and all the cities of this region were also privately owned.

    For comparison, from a modern Russian school textbook:

    https://resh.edu.ru/subject/lesson/7919/conspect/254314/

    Khan owned all the lands and population. His power was based on a huge army and numerous officials ...

    those. private property is completely absent, and therefore it is now believed that:
    https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/zapadnyy-feodalizm-i-russkiy-obschestvennyy-stroy-polemika-s-a-a-gorskim

    It is no coincidence that in our time, researchers are increasingly saying that there was no feudalism in the Russian lands.

    Differences like this cannot be ignored.

    As for the transfer ... And what, someone asks Urkain what is "yes" and what is "no"? If you haven't noticed, the very independent, that independent, only has to shoot himself. And that's the question.
  22. +1
    25 March 2023 15: 51
    Take all of western Ukraine, and then just sell it profitably as unnecessary. At least the fatter part of Hungary, but negotiate with the Poles in exchange for a corridor to Kaliningrad.
  23. +2
    25 March 2023 22: 29
    Who is Medvedev?
  24. 0
    25 March 2023 22: 45
    Zapadno-ukropsky hemorrhoids let the European proctologists get it. I think the president and the government, as well as the deputies and their "parents" will be pragmatic in this situation.
  25. 0
    26 March 2023 00: 44
    And who, interestingly, gave Medvedev the right to make such statements? If Ukraine is Russia, let him go there. I consider such statements to be provocations, we have no interest beyond the Donbass. And Medvedev's party both deprived the workers of pensions and lost the support of the electorate. It's good to remember this.
  26. 0
    26 March 2023 11: 17
    The VLK and Poland have been officially in alliance since 1569... By this time, Lithuania as a state began to die... Later, Poland simply swallowed up Lithuania...
  27. 0
    26 March 2023 21: 39
    Somehow he wrote about the Russian language and Russians and Ukrainians in Ukraine. The current story is even more important than the past. Here I repeat once again that ours do not talk about Ukraine on TV of the Russian Federation:
    - there are Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians who are mainly for an independent Ukraine with total Ukrainization and there are millions of them;
    - there are Russian-speaking Ukrainians, who are the majority in such cities as Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, and in Kharkov, and in some others. These are the children and grandchildren of Ukrainian-speaking families, who are in favor of independence, but in which there is linguistic diversity. At the same time, they will survive Ukrainization, even though it is unpleasant for them. This is a swamp, most of which do not care to be in Ukraine or Russia, as long as life is better. There are more of them, and there are millions of them;
    - there are Russian-speaking Ukrainians coming from Russian families, from families of non-Ukrainian, non-Russian nationality, as well as from Russian-speaking Ukrainian families who lost their everyday Ukrainian language a long time ago, who would very much not want to be Ukrainianized. Basically, these people are for Russia. There are also millions of them.
    At the same time, the Ukrainian language dominates in the west, and Russian in the east.
    For some reason, Russians in Ukraine consider all Russian speakers to be Russians, although this is far from the case, as you can see.
  28. 0
    27 March 2023 17: 25
    As for the scenarios for the end of the NWO, one can be ruled out - the signing of Zelensky agreements with Russia, where Ukraine is separated from the territories. The US cannot afford to force its vassal to sign such a humiliating document for the US.

    Therefore, the liquidation of the US Zelensky is one of the likely scenarios that will allow the US to try to save face. The liquidation of the president in Ukraine gives the United States the opportunity to assert that this is either the work of the Russians, or internal disassembly in Ukraine, but in the end, the United States ceases to be the overlord of Ukraine. The United States no longer influences the decisions of the new Kyiv authorities. They may even expose the new government as traitors.

    When the new government signs agreements with Russia, the US will be able to condemn this decision, thereby giving rise to the germ of revenge for the future. On this basis, it will be easier for Poland and the rest to bite off territories in the west of Ukraine, because. the Kiev authorities are no longer an ally, but traitors to the struggle of the Ukrainian people for their independence (it would be pointless for the West to give legitimacy to the new government and record itself again as the overlords of Ukraine). On this basis, the need for assistance in the reconstruction of the country and financial support is reduced.

    Ukraine without the eastern regions (RF) and without the western ones (Poland, Hungary) will become an outcast for everyone, it is not clear why, not about the western, not about the Russian, no one will be considered the patron of Ukraine until they digest what happened there. Then a new struggle between Russia and the West will begin for the remnants of Ukraine.

    Another scenario is the complete defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, after which it becomes necessary to bring NATO forces into the western regions. This scenario is possible with a secret agreement with Moscow to avoid escalation. In such cases, the liquidation of Ukraine as a state is more likely, because. its preservation is made more difficult by the rejection of the western regions of Poland and Hungary.

    The preservation of all regions, except for the eastern ones, as part of Ukraine, for the West means the need to restore the country, huge financial investments, and rapid acceptance into the EU and NATO. For Poland, this will be the end of dreams about Lviv. For Germany and France, huge financial injections into the revival of Ukraine and thus the strengthening of the Eastern bloc of the EU is also a dubious goal. It will be easier for everyone if Ukraine disappears or becomes much smaller.
    1. +1
      27 March 2023 21: 30
      yes, I literally had the same thoughts) just today I thought that the United States themselves could eliminate the greenery with its reputation as a principled and insane ("no negotiations") fighter for all territories. in general, there has long been a feeling that perhaps this remains the only convenient way out.
      one of the interesting options: if his body is found with signs of an overdose from some psychotropic substances, white powders on the table, syringes.
      although they can be evacuated to Britain, to thank for the work done at the expense of the Ukrainians.

      As for the territories of central Ukraine, I think it is possible to agree with the West to make them moderately pro-Russian, on the basis of the Istanbul agreements. in this case, the Russian Federation will restore it, maybe even a good small country that has a raison d'etre will turn out, if it is not turned into something like Lukashenka's regime. I suspect that this is rather the western part of Ukraine, in the event of being cut off from the rest of the regions, it would become incomprehensible than with a deep existential identity crisis, because. they are accustomed to the Russophobic struggle against the Russian Federation within the framework of the greater Ukraine, with an attempt to assert themselves in the greater Ukraine by confronting other subcultural identities. and if you give them their territories and say do what you want there, bring down the EU, it will be unusual for them to play this role when there is no longer any need for the possibility of any struggle. the central part could relatively easily sober up and become neutrally humble. although for this it is of course highly desirable for the Ukrainians to go through the experience of military and political defeat, disappointments, for the catastrophe of illusions.

      but such a transition can be if the West wants to normalize relations with the Russian Federation, instead of confrontation. because it is clear that the Russian imperials will never stop wanting the return of Odessa and Kyiv to Russia or recognition only as part of a union state. if the West wants to continue to fight with the Russian Federation, then yes, the remaining Ukraine will remain a problem area. so far, that's what I think.

      in general, I personally would like to preserve some part of Ukraine. I would not want to completely deprive them of the meaning of being total geopolitical and cultural pro-Russianness. maybe they will have something more interesting and worthy than in the Russian Federation. if not on the basis of Russophobia, let's say on the basis of the idea of ​​freedom, the search for realization through some new philosophies and religious and mystical teachings. otherwise the Russian Federation, with its gravitation towards a totalitarian regime, Sovietism, the Russian Orthodox Church "Orthodoxy", also does not inspire much sympathy and optimism. maybe a free, non-Russophobic Ukraine would have done something better.
  29. 0
    27 March 2023 18: 02
    The authorities of the Russian Federation need to issue a law. The entire territory of Ukraine is an integral part of Russia. Then everyone will know that all hostilities take place on the territory of Russia. The authorities of Ukraine who do not obey the President of the Russian Federation are separatists, terrorists. The supply of weapons and mercenaries to the separatists of Ukraine is interference in the internal affairs of Russia, a sovereign state.
  30. 0
    27 March 2023 21: 56
    a good map as one of the options for reflection and a program of action.
    the central (red-orange color) part of ukraine could be left as a sovereign, neutral/friendly country, on the basis of the istanbul agreements. so that there are some kind of arrest officers, etc. ambitious characters wishing to engage in state-building activities tried to implement their projects, experiments, on the condition of non-hostility with the Russian Federation.

    in general, I personally would like to keep some part of Ukraine free. I would not want to completely deprive them of the meaning of life through defeat, coercion, total political and cultural rosification. maybe they will have something more interesting and worthy than in the Russian Federation. only not on the basis of Russophobia, but let's say on the basis of the idea of ​​freedom, individualization, the search for realization through certain philosophies and religious and mystical teachings, new forms of political structure. you can not deprive them of their dreams completely. it is necessary to preserve part of their dignity and freedom (without being anti-Russian).
    otherwise the Russian Federation, with its gravitation towards a totalitarian regime, Sovietism, the Russian Orthodox Church "Orthodoxy", also does not inspire much sympathy and optimism. with such an agenda, there is no full ideological and moral right to engage in full-fledged cultural and political expansion. maybe a free, non-Russophobic Ukraine would have done something better, so that later it would even be possible to take an example from them. instead of trying to stupidly orosiyanit according to the laws of the Russian Federation.
    instead of trying to spread their RF habits to the entire area of ​​​​geopolitical influence, it would be more promising for some time to turn these spaces into a great field of cultural and political experiments (with some restrictions), to see what happens and then choose the most successful options for building a new great empire.
  31. -1
    29 March 2023 11: 24
    What kind of reasoning is this, to whom to give part of Ukraine and to whom not?! Until we reach London and Lisbon, no stops and respite!!! To think next time!
    1. 0
      4 June 2023 13: 49
      Your desire brings grief and mourning to every home, are you ready to sacrifice your children or loved ones for the sake of treating these sick zombies and Nazis?
  32. 0
    4 June 2023 13: 35
    The map may be good, but what is the price for the realization of these desires, how many healthy guys should we exchange for sick zombie Ukrainians, and do we need these zombies, what later, after reaching the goal, how will this affect the well-being of Russians - new costs for treatment zombies and raising their standard of living, but do I need it? Maybe a better world by analogy with Israel - they launched three dozen daggers, demilitarized and waited. In the meantime, we are taking care of our economy and creating an attractive life for others, we help others as Sudoplatov did, and the time will come when Ukraine will rush into the Russian Federation not by force of arms and coercion, but by the force of thought and desire to join the Russian world. "Thank you" to Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the Ukrainian Khrushchev, we are reaping the results of their overwork and contribution. Ukraine opened our eyes and understanding of all the love of Europeans and Anglo-Saxons for Russia. Their Nazism and hatred of Russia are sewn up with mother's milk. Other hostile countries will follow Ukraine, and what, treat everyone, and then again create a German economic miracle for them? We do not have enough young and healthy children for them, why is this, we need to take care of our economic miracle and the standard of living of the population. All healthy people who consider themselves part of the Russian world from any part of the globe can be offered to move to the Russian Federation and create conditions for them (it will be cheaper), we have enough land.