"Uranium scrap" against "scrap metal": about British shells and T-55 tanks

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Critical thinking is a strange subject: everyone promotes it, but somehow it still doesn't exist. Although the Russian audience is on average much more reasonable than the Western and especially the Ukrainian one, which can be fed with the most delicious dung, it also sometimes wants to swing on the zrado-possible swing. Domestic media, in turn, do not disdain to use this, and it is understandable: views will not wind themselves up.

Over the past couple of days, the layman has immediately had two excellent reasons to convulse, and both are about tanks, which only made them more significant ... However, if you take a closer look, even with the naked eye, it turns out that there’s really nothing to spoil your nerves with.



"Depleted Nuclear" Weapons


On March 21, either the British Ministry of Defense, or local newspapermen, or both authorities at once decided to hype: highlight in bold and underline with a double line that the Challenger 2 tanks, which are preparing to be sent to Ukraine, will have armor-piercing shells with depleted uranium cores . News this one had the effect of a "dirty bomb" - or rather, firecrackers in a latrine.

A real panic arose in domestic analytics and the press, otherwise you can’t say it: everyone together began to roll their eyes and lament that Zelensky and his “allies” would nevertheless fulfill their plans for radiation contamination of future Russian territories, not by washing, but by rolling. A separate line was the general concern about the health of the Nazis, who will have to sit in Western "wunderwaffles" in an embrace with these same uranium shells: they are so at risk of getting cancer (what a nuisance, right word).

Of course, one could say that this is how Western propaganda intended that the Russian public will be afraid of "uranium scrap" and will begin to sabotage the CBO at least a percentage more actively than before - but in reality, the most common clickbait and hype take place. If you start to understand the details, the hype around uranium shells, like any hysteria in the media (and, perhaps, any hysteria in general), is sucked out of thin air.

Depleted uranium has been used as a material for armor-piercing cores for many decades, and not for any villainous intent, but due to a special combination of physical and economic properties of this material. In essence, depleted uranium is just a waste from the production of nuclear fuel, garbage; it is dense and durable, but it is inapplicable in peaceful activities because of its toxicity.

It is a completely different matter - the production of shells, which in any case are designed to destroy and destroy objects and people. Due to the physical properties of the DU, sub-caliber "arrows" from it "sew" any armor well and are relatively resistant to the work of dynamic protection. Moreover, in this dirty business, the disadvantages of uranium become advantages: the pyrophoric dust formed upon impact of a projectile serves as an additional damaging element, burning and poisoning tankers in a padded car.

That is why uranium shells have found such wide distribution, and are now the most massive armor-piercing ammunition in Western arsenals. Challenger is not the only enemy vehicle that has them in its ammunition load: similar ones have Abrams tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles and Stryker Dragoon, with which our tankers will meet soon.

Personally, it is this last fact that worries me - and, fortunately, not me alone: ​​thanks to the efforts of the VPR and industry, the troops receive an increasing number of equipment with sets of additional protection and SIBZ of the latest designs that will help save the lives of Russian soldiers. By the way, it is possible that our tankers will destroy German "cats" and American "generals" ... also with shells with uranium cores - in any case, such shells for 125-mm guns (3BM60 "Lead-2" and 3BM70 "Vacuum -2") are produced and supplied to the troops. It’s also worth mentioning the carcinogenic effect on their crews: in a ready-to-fight shot, the uranium core of the projectile is completely covered with a shell made of another material (usually aluminum), so if you don’t kiss them passionately, then nothing particularly terrible will happen.

As for the “protection of the environment”, which everyone is suddenly so concerned about - sorry, but this is ridiculous. As a result of hostilities, some territories of Ukraine may indeed become uninhabitable for many years, but not at all because of depleted uranium.

The most important "polluting factor" is the various mines that the fascist troops scatter everywhere, often without any consideration - and yet many of them are not detected by mine detectors and cannot be neutralized. According to some estimates, mine danger lies in wait for 30% of the territory of Ukraine, and this is without taking into account thousands of tons of unexploded ordnance of other types.

Compared only to this, the number of uranium arrows that the Ukrainian "zahistniks" will have time to stick into the ground is a laughingstock. And let's not even talk about the risk of leaks or the Nazis deliberately spilling toxic substances at chemical plants, or blowing up storage facilities for spent nuclear fuel, which the Kiev regime can organize in the end.

Khrushchev's argument


March 22 in social networks appeared staff with an echelon of Russian armored vehicles - and everything would be fine, but only this time the T-54 and T-55 tanks were carried on the platforms. Where, where (they say, the video shows the vicinity of Omsk, but this is not accurate) and why they were taken - it is not clear, which, however, did not prevent especially patriotic citizens from raising the cry "imperial rubbish, tin cans!" Some publications and bloggers began to turn this echelon into a hype train and disperse the version that the old equipment goes directly to the NVO zone, and Ukrainian and Western propaganda enthusiastically picked it up from them.

I won’t deny that the appearance of “half a fiver” on the stage surprised me a little too: the fact is that more than a decade ago, a bike went into the people, as if all tanks of these types were decommissioned and cut into scrap metal. It appeared not out of the blue, but against the background of the “optimization” of the armed forces and the attempts of the then leadership of the Moscow Region, headed by Serdyukov, to push Western-style equipment into service - it was then, in general, not difficult to believe in the destruction of the oldest Soviet heritage. On the other hand, not so long ago, the BTR-50, the same age as the old tanks, was already glowing, hinting at possible "surprises" in the future.

The most obvious destination for the T-54/55s would be to be reactivated and upgraded along the lines of the T-62s, which have been involved in the Ukrainian conflict almost from the very beginning. Technically, the tanks of these types are very close, so their effectiveness in the role of nomadic guns will be approximately equivalent. However, it is not a fact that the most obvious solution is the most probable: the feasibility of upgrading the "half a five" depends on many factors, including the availability of 100-mm guns and shells for them.

In principle, the presence of the tanks themselves suggests that some backlog of consumables for them has been preserved on dusty remote BKhVT. In the event that it is recognized as insufficient, the T-54/55 can be taken for conversion into auxiliary vehicles (for example, tractors or minesweepers) or even for dismantling - in this case, all suitable units from them will go to "sixty-second", and the hulls will go for remelting or armored structures for pillboxes.

Of course, the option that the cars will eventually get to the front just repaired, without “pumping”, is not excluded - but in this case there is no reason to wring your hands. More modern tanks in the Russian army have not ended (and, it seems, they will never end), so no one will throw “pensioners” into attacks, and they will cope with the tasks of self-propelled guns without any upgrades. Of course, their protection is rather weak by today's standards, but definitely stronger than the fresh air around the towed guns or carts widely used by our troops.

... That is, as we can see, nothing terrible is happening, just the parties to the conflict are pulling "everything that is acquired by overwork" to the front line. Well, it's time for viewers to learn how to separate information flies from meatballs, because a priori there is nothing to count on the decency of the "TV" itself.
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  1. +9
    24 March 2023 21: 06
    You just need to understand that for many analysts, journalists, commentators, bloggers, military correspondents, and so on, all sorts of hot news is work and income, you can say bread, maybe for someone the only one. The more different kinds of sensations, the more text, subscribers, views, especially in our turbulent times. It's like haymaking for a peasant. If the SVO ends, many may lose their income. At the front, there is a struggle for territory, and networks for subscribers.
  2. -14
    24 March 2023 21: 09
    Another nonsense about a mobile self-propelled gun, a pillbox and a support vehicle.
    T54-55 is a tin can, and given that no one will put a normal FCS there, it's just a whipping toy.
    Combat grave of infantry, only in this case, tankers.
    Instead of more tunks, the army would be better off ordering a UAV for itself. No, whoever fights on the front end certainly wants a UAV, and not a tank 70 years ago. But the old generals who do not understand modern warfare do not agree.
    The SVO showed the uselessness of tanks in the conditions of modern ATGMs, only tanks with KAZ can try to survive, but this is not accurate either.
    Tanks are just an abuse now, a de facto resource into the void.
    Shield and sword race, the sword won (ptura) The end
    1. +5
      24 March 2023 21: 46
      Bullshit! They fight with what they have. In 1941, short-barreled 76 mm cannons on wooden wheels were put up on the front line. Something is better than nothing. Especially the 100mm Rapier is used by both sides. And what is better than an infantry fighting vehicle with a 30 mm cannon, although it also has its own profession. As a fire support behind the heads of the infantry, the T-55 will do just fine.
      1. -7
        25 March 2023 00: 40
        Have you ever been in a tank? I served on the T-55 - this is a bunch of trash, the enemy must come very close for you to hit him. NATO tanks hit from 4 km. It's a pity for those who will burn in these tanks.
        1. 0
          25 March 2023 12: 09
          I served on the T-55 - this is a bunch of trash

          ... you know nothing about the "IT tank destroyer" complex based on 55/62. With a combat range of at least 5 km. Max - 10km ... The range depends on the installed ATGM complex

        2. +4
          25 March 2023 13: 18
          It means that he "served" so much that he did not understand. Although Colonel Mamaev said that "a tanker is a bad artilleryman, but quite sufficient to fight from closed positions and support infantry"
          1. +3
            25 March 2023 19: 37
            Having 2 dozen years of military experience, I can say for sure that the most combative militants among the demobilized are swineherds and bread cutters
    2. +1
      25 March 2023 19: 34
      Sofa not tight? It looks like he played tanks
    3. +2
      25 March 2023 22: 06
      ... and given that no one will put a normal SLA there ...

      Who do you think is not normal?
      Forced to disappoint. In order not to strain yourself, open the Wiki and look at foreign modifications of the T54 / 55. Be surprised. And the equipment was changed, and engines, and guns even. Israel was very fond of making such modifications to everyone. And I didn't forget myself.
      As an infantry support tank and replacement for towed artillery, this is a very good option.
  3. +1
    24 March 2023 21: 27
    I just wanted to ask the author for our sub-caliber shells - we, it seems, do not make them with a uranium, but with a tungsten core, and the bourgeoisie save on this - tungsten is very expensive for them
    1. 0
      25 March 2023 12: 01
      tungsten is very expensive for them

      Uranium - better punches. At the very least...
    2. 0
      25 March 2023 21: 51
      We have since 1982. shells with uranium. Uranium is effective due to its high density. The core, which has broken through the armor, flies in already melted, ignites in the air. And a sheaf of fire burns everything inside. But even a 30 mm projectile with a uranium core, having pierced the armor of an armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle (it is small and cannot burn everything), will ruin both the crew and the landing force. They breathe in uranium oxides and die either quickly (from heavy metal poisoning) or in a year or two from cancer. And tungsten is lighter, it is refractory and gives a directed sheaf of hot fragments inside. Less defeat.
      Ours did not use such ammunition, they proposed to ban them, but the impudent Saxons, France, and someone else voted against it.
      In addition, uranium is free, everyone who produces nuclear fuel or nuclear weapons is happy to get rid of it. It's just unmeasured.
      Just today, Putin said that we have hundreds of thousands of these munitions. But I think he's being modest. Together with 30 mm there are millions of them.
    3. 0
      26 March 2023 21: 03
      The Germans only do with tungsten 120 mm
    4. 0
      29 March 2023 19: 04
      and tungsten is, and uranium, uranium-tungsten is.
  4. +3
    24 March 2023 21: 36
    If all the infantry is transferred to tanks instead of infantry fighting vehicles, they will definitely be better protected, and the power of which mortar is definitely not terrible, some pluses am
  5. +3
    24 March 2023 22: 48
    Quote from blackcat190463
    If all the infantry is transferred to tanks instead of infantry fighting vehicles, they will definitely be better protected, and the power of which mortar is definitely not terrible, some pluses am

    In the BMP there is a volume for the infantry, in the tank, especially in the T-54-55, where the crew is 4 people, there is no such volume.
    1. +1
      25 March 2023 10: 24
      The Jews converted all 54 captured into armored personnel carriers. Akhzarit is called. The most protected armored personnel carrier in the world for urban battles.

      ps By the way, our armored personnel carrier is also made from 54/55. 2 crew + 5 troops.
      1. 0
        25 March 2023 17: 23
        Jews don't do anything recklessly. As my colleague Vladimir Solovyov (the same TV presenter) used to say when we carried out maintenance of the tank: "We will prove that we are no worse than the IDF"))
    2. 0
      25 March 2023 19: 35
      Yes, and the crew will gain a height no higher than 176 cm
  6. -4
    24 March 2023 23: 02
    Another explainer. This time, the Media Hysteria is being attributed to ...readers.

    Over the past couple of days, the layman has two excellent reasons to convulse at once, ...

    Most of the inhabitants have never seen and never will see these shells. Many have long understood that the media are fooling them with all these dirty bombs, chemical weapons, tribunals and 2000 armats.

    Therefore, in addition to irritation, this yet another set-up (at first the authors here fight in hysterics, then they write - it's okay), does not cause anything.
    1. 0
      25 March 2023 14: 37
      If everything and everyone is lying, did I understand correctly? In this case, why go to the "Reporter" to make sure once again?
      It reminds me of masochism
  7. -1
    24 March 2023 23: 07
    Tanks can only shoot accurately with direct fire, i.e. in direct line of sight. And they will receive a "scrap" or pturs after the first shot. So, both as a tank and as a self-propelled gun, they will look pale. And you can dream that an enemy who does not have anti-tank weapons will be against them if you are not in a tank.
    1. +3
      25 March 2023 06: 59
      Hello from the past? There is a UAV and a gunner. You don't need to see the tank.
    2. +2
      25 March 2023 12: 32
      Hello, "direct fire" - take the trouble to look at the performance characteristics of the guns of this tank. It is rifled with a range of up to 14,5 km. An excellent long-range gun, unlike modern tank smoothbore
  8. -5
    25 March 2023 06: 57
    there is no place for tanks in the war of the 21st century, it is in Ukraine that the war with weapons of the 20th century is going on.
  9. +2
    25 March 2023 07: 22
    I won't say anything new about the SVO. I am surprised by the attitude of the authorities towards the people themselves. Where did the films that cheered up the average person go? Instead, they show some kind of fights with the mafia. A depressed mood is a suppressed immune system. And we still have a long way to talk with covid. Instead of optimism, optimization. I do not think that Alexandrov staged "Merry Fellows" on a whim. The government understood that a person's life is difficult, and it is necessary to bring at least a drop of cheerfulness. Everything that is happening now leads a person to hopelessness. No resource can exist at the expense of others. Defense exception. But it turns out that metaphysics eats up grants from healthcare, education, and science. There is a lot of work. And above all, it should be aimed at real life. And not on different inventions, which are impossible to implement.
    1. 0
      25 March 2023 19: 42
      Quote from: unc-2
      Exception Defense

      The defense and army are no exception. As the notorious Karl Genrikhovich (who is Marx) said, military service is a specific form of socially useful labor.
  10. ksa
    -2
    25 March 2023 08: 54
    The tank will not be able to cope with the tasks of the self-propelled guns. Range is not the same.
    1. 0
      25 March 2023 12: 33
      take a look at the characteristics of the T55 gun before writing about it
  11. +2
    25 March 2023 09: 27
    The author of those who offer to relax and have fun? And to call mines, comparing them with depleted uranium, "the most important" polluting factor "" is completely incorrect.
    1. 0
      25 March 2023 19: 44
      Tell that to Cambodians, Syrians, etc.
  12. +2
    25 March 2023 11: 57
    Depleted uranium has been used as a material for armor-piercing cores for decades.
    ...
    At its core, depleted uranium is just nuclear fuel production waste, garbage; it is dense and durable, but it is inapplicable in peaceful activities because of its toxicity.
    ...
    destroy German "cats" and American "generals" our tankers will ... also shells with uranium cores - in any case, such shells for 125-mm guns (3BM60 "Lead-2" and 3BM70 "Vacuum-2") are produced and supplied to the troops.

    The key here is
    1. waste from the production of nuclear fuel. those. NUCLEAR PRODUCTION! COMPONENT of nuclear production!
    2. they were not SPECIALLY used due to the indicated circumstances - toxicity to l / s and the population.
    3. yes, we had and still have such shells. BUT! They are all in warehouses, just in case "nuclear war". We practically NEVER used them by virtue of the same paragraph 2.
    1. +1
      25 March 2023 19: 45
      Quote: Pacer
      COMPONENT of nuclear production!

      #and what?
  13. +1
    25 March 2023 12: 21
    The author has already written that the old tanks will be used as infantry fighting vehicles to support the infantry. Your moans about the weakness of the T-55 armor against leopard shells are the same as reasoning about the weakness of the armor of infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers.
    1. +1
      25 March 2023 13: 08
      moans about the weakness of the T-55 armor against leopard shells

      laughing
      What modern T-55s can do - https://dzen.ru/a/ZB4sZOeNUVsYHrkw


      Of the most successful and modern deep modernizations of the Soviet "grandfather", several models can be named, the most massive is the Romanian tank TR-85M1 Bizonul (Bizon), with more than three hundred vehicles. At first glance, a non-specialist cannot even believe that we are talking about a creatively redesigned T-55, but it is. In 1995, working together with the Germans, Romania replaced the diesel engine (taking the regular one from Leopard-1), equipped the Soviet excellent gun with a stabilizer in all planes and signal systems that respond to laser beams of anti-tank systems by shooting smoke.

      The Yankees, who arrived to inspect candidates for the Alliance, set out to stick a new gun, a 120-mm smoothbore gun, inside the tower “according to NATO standards”, but they washed themselves in disgrace at the training grounds, the good old Soviet one was an order of magnitude more accurate and, what is important, more enduring. To this day, the Romanian "Bizons" are in service, modernized in terms of sighting equipment and active protection systems of German and French design.

      This is exactly the modern Romanian T-55
  14. +1
    25 March 2023 13: 07
    In Syria, local tankers have been successfully fighting on the T-55 for many years. They were the main support of defense in blockaded areas and successfully weaned Islamic fanatics from attacking head-on attacks on roaming firing points ... True, everything (up to the turn of the tower and the command to fire) is already on the mechanics, but the combat capability is not strong
    decreases. And a report about them was on TV.
  15. 0
    25 March 2023 14: 43
    Quote from Hell MASTER
    Another nonsense about a mobile self-propelled gun, a pillbox and a support vehicle.
    T54-55 is a tin can, and given that no one will put a normal FCS there, it's just a whipping toy.
    Combat grave of infantry, only in this case, tankers.
    Instead of more tunks, the army would be better off ordering a UAV for itself. No, whoever fights on the front end certainly wants a UAV, and not a tank 70 years ago. But the old generals who do not understand modern warfare do not agree.
    The SVO showed the uselessness of tanks in the conditions of modern ATGMs, only tanks with KAZ can try to survive, but this is not accurate either.
    Tanks are just an abuse now, a de facto resource into the void.
    Shield and sword race, the sword won (ptura) The end

    The stupid do not understand that there are already a lot of old "tunchiks" and they CAN be used, unlike the ball. And yes, proof please on "SVO showed the futility of tanks." But judging by the word Abuza, the author of the comment is not a reader ...
  16. +1
    25 March 2023 15: 32
    It makes no sense to use it as a tank. The effective range of the T-55 on a target 2 m high is only 1028 meters. You can shoot at 5 km, but bam-bang and past.
    1. 0
      25 March 2023 17: 00
      In any case, two big differences are to fight under the protection of armor or a pea coat
    2. 0
      25 March 2023 17: 15
      At such a distance on the T-55, the machine gun paired with the gun perfectly reaches literally from the first shots ... Well, of course, in the absence of recoil and displacement by such a multi-ton mass when fired. As for 5 km, yes from a gun, with good aiming, they will also quickly cover
  17. +2
    25 March 2023 15: 46
    "savory dung", "hype", "fascist troops" ..
    Words signaling big problems with intelligence, upbringing and language. That's what they say in "posony for pefkom".
    It seems to me that the editors should not publish such an author anymore.
  18. 0
    25 March 2023 16: 57
    The weapon does not have such a characteristic - old! For it is not weapons that fight, people fight. Afghan Mujahideen will confirm
  19. 0
    25 March 2023 19: 26
    Views don't drive themselves.

    That's it
  20. 0
    25 March 2023 20: 01
    This is some old news. Today I already came across a video with a T-34 echelon three times already.
  21. 0
    25 March 2023 20: 18
    Throwing luminous metals into the Ukrainian land is a crime against descendants. Although there Chernobyl has been phoning with might and main for many years now - I think that mutations and addiction have already occurred. Homo sapiens ukrainus. The DNA has changed. No brains, pathological hatred of Russians, does not want to work, can only eat handouts and mess with neighbors.
  22. 0
    25 March 2023 23: 10
    Shiza mows down the ranks. How will we answer - we will throw the core of the territory that will belong to us, that is, we will spoil "chernozem to produce" alumina "? Or send the UK their own gift in a parcel, so that life would not seem sweet?
    1. +1
      26 March 2023 13: 51
      In the blind and deaf, by modern standards, the t-55 sofa heroes gathered to fight on the modern battlefield, where the enemy has an advantage in situational awareness, communications and control, and in the quantity and quality of a variety of anti-tank weapons. And most importantly, they don’t understand the stupidity of something like a clockwork barrel organ, repeating the “common truth” that seems to them - it’s better under armor like that in a bulletproof vest. And the fact that under the armor you can’t see or hear anything, but, like nonsense. It’s not even clear why, it’s our fighters, despite armor, who prefer to ride on armor even when it comes to relatively modern infantry fighting vehicles -3-, namely because of better situational awareness and the ability to quickly use weapons in different directions. And shooting from a tank that does not have either an SLA or an integrated target designation system, but has primitive sights at the level of the Second World War - in modern conditions it is suicide - you need to go to the range of a direct shot, where "javelins" dominate. It is useless to explain ... They measure everything with the criteria of the Second World War.
      1. 0
        26 March 2023 14: 24
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        under type armor is better than in body armor. And the fact that nothing can be seen or heard under the armor

        Any piece of equipment is much more noticeable than an infantryman in armor, and is a higher priority target than a single infantryman.

        With proper guidance, of course, you can successfully use the T-34. Here are just a number of episodes that will strongly doubt the abilities of our leadership ....
  23. +2
    26 March 2023 15: 54
    Quote: Alexey Lan
    And what is better than an infantry fighting vehicle with a 30 mm cannon, although it also has its own profession. As a fire support behind the heads of the infantry, the T-55 will do just fine.

    Better accuracy, rate of fire, the availability of standard spare parts and ammunition, the ability to transport people and goods, maneuverability, situational awareness.
  24. +1
    27 March 2023 08: 27
    Quote from blackcat190463
    If all the infantry is transferred to tanks instead of infantry fighting vehicles, they will definitely be better protected, and the power of which mortar is definitely not terrible, some pluses am

    And can you also attach caterpillars to the nuclear cruiser "Peter the Great" and go on it to smash the forelocks? How do you like the idea?
  25. 0
    27 March 2023 15: 57
    ... That is, as we see, nothing terrible happens

    If the equipment was controlled by robots, and no one lived in the area where the fighting takes place, then probably yes, it's okay, then tactical nuclear weapons could be used without dangerous consequences ...
  26. 0
    28 March 2023 10: 49
    The article was written by an extremely incompetent author. According to the author, "it's ridiculous to be afraid of environmental pollution. Just something ..." I have to argue with him. I am convinced that the use of even a minimal amount of depleted uranium shells will have an extremely negative impact, not even on the health of the inhabitants of these territories, but on the reputation of the agricultural products grown on them. The unique black soils of the Zaporizhia and Kherson regions will then turn into barren wastelands, since consuming agricultural products grown on them will become hazardous to health. Let me explain that it is not so much Uranium-238 that is dangerous, but the uranium oxides formed after the explosion of the projectile, which are extremely toxic. And most importantly, these compounds will actively circulate from the soil to plants, and then to the organisms of people and animals consuming these plants, which, again, are grown for the food needs of the population. And this is for hundreds of years. Conclusion: to allow the use of these shells, I repeat, it is impossible to ALLOW on our territories in any case. And the author, if he does not understand, let him read about the toxicity of these oxides and their real danger.
  27. 0
    31 March 2023 15: 38
    Adults are treated like children who have passed the graduation kindergarten and received a certificate of almost schoolchildren. It’s just that people won’t even frown at this, for the reason that there is an army of workers in God’s temple who have a direct connection with the Lord, in heaven, as he orders, it will be, or it won’t be at all if they receive an order not to rock the boat. Your business is divine, do not rock the boat in those places where you should not be.