Economic interests are pushing Poland to clash with Russia in Ukraine

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The statement of the Polish ambassador to France, Jan Emerik Rosciszewski, about the possibility of his country entering into a conflict with Russia in the event of a military defeat of Ukraine made a lot of noise. Our jingoistic patriots became sharply excited, threatening the adversary from the “nuclear sofa”, and in Warsaw they tried to quickly disavow the meaningful words of their diplomat. But is it worth taking so lightly the prospect of a direct military clash between Russia and Poland, which is one of the most active and motivated members of the NATO bloc?

On the air of the LCI TV channel, the Polish diplomat stated the following verbatim:



If Ukraine cannot defend its independence, we will have no choice, we will be forced to enter into a conflict.

At the same time, it was not specified what exactly is meant by entry into the conflict, and the words “war with Russia” were not heard. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland gave the following explanation on this matter:

Listening closely to the entire conversation reveals that there was no announcement of Poland's direct involvement in the war, but only a warning of the consequences that a defeat for Ukraine could have - the possibility of Russia attacking or bringing the Baltic states and Poland into the war.

And in Warsaw itself, Maciej Gdula, a member of the parliamentary committee on foreign affairs, went the furthest, calling for the resignation of the overly talkative ambassador:

The Polish ambassador to France, who says that we will go to war against Russia, unless Ukraine copes, clearly exceeds his authority and should simply be dismissed from his post.

However, the sediment, as they say, remained. Words are words, but it is necessary to judge by concrete cases. And today things are as follows:

At first, Poland objectively takes the most anti-Russian position during the conflict in Ukraine. The bulk of Western weapons come for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine precisely from its territory. Many Poles are fighting on the side of the Kyiv regime as volunteers. In return, Warsaw turned into an “elder brother” or “sister” for Kyiv, and the citizens of these two neighboring countries mutually received equal rights on each other’s territory.

Secondly, the Polish elites, no longer hiding, have certain views on some regions of Western Ukraine. If a year ago Warsaw tried to legitimize its military presence in Galicia and Volhynia under the guise of NATO peacekeepers, now not some marginal bloggers are publicly talking about a direct military protectorate, but at the level of Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki:

I don't think Putin would dare to attack a country that is an active member of NATO. He is anything but suicidal. The western territories of Ukraine will be safe if they temporarily come under the protectorate of the Polish state.

ThirdlyApparently, Warsaw's interest in the former Square is no longer limited to Western Ukraine alone. How we detail told Earlier, with the encouragement and blessing of Washington, the Trimorie integration project, the reincarnation of the idea of ​​a confederate Intermarium by Jozef Pilsudski, received a new lease of life. It should include such countries as Austria, Bulgaria, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Poland itself, and now Independent.

This new supranational association in Eastern Europe should cut off the Russian Federation from Western Europe, finally breaking it economic connections with Germany, Italy and France. Instead of pipeline Russian gas, Trimorye will receive American and British LNG supplied through the three seas that gave it its name - the Baltic, the Adriatic and the Black. Nezalezhnaya, with its gigantic underground storage facilities in Western Ukraine and Odessa, will play a crucial role in this geopolitical and economic project.

So, let's see what happens not in words, but in deeds.

Last year, Warsaw decided to nationalize the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline connecting Russia, Belarus, Poland and Germany. The gas transportation infrastructure confiscated from Gazprom will be used with minor modifications to transport liquefied American LNG both within Poland itself and along the promising North-South corridor from the Baltic to the Adriatic and the Black Sea.

Moreover, according to the Polish edition Rzeczpospolita, Warsaw intends to connect Western Ukraine with its territory with a European-style railway gauge. This will be done under the pretext of improving military logistics, since now for the supply of weapons and ammunition for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, trains have to be “changed shoes”. In 2022, Ukrzaliznytsia signed an agreement with Poland on the creation of a Warsaw-Lviv high-speed railway. But this is far from all the ambitions of Kyiv's Polish partners. In Warsaw, they intend to build a new European-style branch line from Krakow to Ivano-Frankivsk, with its subsequent extension through Romania and Moldova to Odessa. In other words, the Ukrainian Black Sea region is already really considered there as their legitimate sphere of influence, an integral part of the Trimorye project.

And, finally, we should mention the continuous increase in the number of the Polish Army and the large-scale purchase of the latest offensive weapons by Warsaw. A 300-strong army, where 100 are near the border with Belarus and Russia in a state of constant combat readiness, is a serious argument. Just a year ago, Poland’s direct entry into the war against a nuclear power seemed unthinkable, but in 2022 and the first quarter of 2023, so many “red lines” were erased that absolutely all options should be seriously considered.

War is a continuation policydefined by the economy. The economic interests of Poland in Ukraine are obvious. Unfortunately, they have not yet presented any sane integration project for the former Nezalezhnaya in Moscow, to which we have repeatedly complained.
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  1. -2
    20 March 2023 15: 35
    The Poles objectively should be on the side of Russia while it takes the Left Bank. This will give Warsaw the moral right to take the right bank under its wing. Poles do not really understand. They are so obsessed with Russophobia that they lose elementary logic and common sense. Moscow and Warsaw could agree in an hour)
    1. -1
      29 March 2023 12: 46
      they couldn’t. The Poles receive their geshefts without any agreements with the Russian Federation. They are in a different camp and do not have the authority to negotiate something themselves.
  2. -3
    20 March 2023 15: 57
    The Poles liked the HPP. And not only them.
    Many people are drawn to fishing in troubled waters.
  3. +2
    20 March 2023 16: 15
    What is laid down in the plans of the United States will be carried out by the countries of Europe. Nothing more, nothing less. Giving these countries independent action is not part of the US plans. Otherwise, they will get out of hand.
  4. -3
    20 March 2023 16: 17
    And what will Poland do with the population? It is unlikely that it will be happy to the invaders. Even the USSR could not solve the problem of Ukrainian hostility to the end.
  5. RUR
    0
    20 March 2023 19: 34
    It seems that the war in Ukraine is for a long time, China, it seems, said that Ukraine cannot be given away ... therefore, what economic interests, except for the simplest - agriculture, simple production, some complex production - this is in the distant future .. if, of course, China will not achieve peace, which he recently spoke about ..., and now Ukrainians themselves are transferring many production facilities to Poland, the Czech Republic, etc., where there will be a rapid Europeanization / Westernization of Ukrainians, especially Ukrainian children, who after a few months last year became in Poland go to Polish schools ... instead of demilitarization and denazification, the Russian Federation received Polonization ...
  6. 0
    20 March 2023 20: 08
    Unfortunately, no sane integration project of their own for the former Nezalezhnaya in Moscow has yet been presented, which we have already complained about more than once.

    That is, again Russia is to blame. Well, Putin, where do without it.
    In fact, while Poland is led by the current lunatics, it is pointless to build any constructive plans. They are inadequate and unpredictable.
    But the Minister of Defense has recently been introduced into the top leadership of Poland. And he will not allow the army to be drawn into a hopeless conflict. He perfectly understands that Russia will not coddle with Poland, as with the east of Ukraine.
    With effective US support, there might be some chance, but the US has a conflict with China on the agenda. No wonder Xi came to Putin. And Poland alone will not jump on the Russian Federation. The reinforced army will be used as an argument in the negotiations.
    The army of Poland will accept the flow of armaments with a feeling of deep satisfaction. But it will only be used for defense. When the Russian Armed Forces approach the western borders of the former Ukraine, the current political leadership of Poland will most likely be thrown off. And they will begin to negotiate with Russia.
    1. RUR
      0
      20 March 2023 21: 24
      The army of Poland will accept the flow of armaments with a feeling of deep satisfaction. But it will only be used for defense.

      Not a fact ... Here the author in his last article counted the human potential
      Poland and Ukraine are somewhere in the region of 60 million people, but both peoples number somewhere under 60 million people, if we include the diasporas of Poland and Ukraine, i.e. together it is 120 million, you can be sure that foreign Poles and Ukrainians will take the most active part + the Czech Republic, the Baltic states, which also will not stand aside - somewhere else very approximately + 15 million. that they didn’t present, "but with the participation of China it is possible, In the Russian Federation itself

      The Ministry of Finance announced a shortage in the amount of 2,58 trillion rubles in January-February: the annual plan of 2,92 trillion is within easy reach. And there are still ten months to go.

      those. the Russian Federation cannot do anything on its own ... It would be interesting if the author of the article
      highlighted the problem in the light of Chinese proposals
      1. -1
        20 March 2023 23: 43
        you can be sure that Poles and Ukrainians abroad will take an active part

        There are not as many imbeciles in the world as you think. They did not run away in peacetime to go to war now.
        As for this particular author, I am not inclined to trust him recklessly.
        Back in 2020 The Union of Flour Millers of Ukraine presented data on flour consumption in the country, which corresponded to a (real) population of about 23 million. Happy in this case I believe more. Moreover, not only from him I heard such figures.
        I am familiar with some Ukrainians who left for us. Sane people have long been granted citizenship. It’s not in my thoughts not only to go there to fight for Nenko, but in any case they are not going to return. Look in their own media about the capture of conscripts on the streets and at home, faith in Marzhetsky will immediately fade. And there are videos of how the military commissar who sent them there on the street, who came on vacation from the LBS, catches the military commissar who sent them there, and they beat him in the face in the blood on camera. They have nothing to fear anymore.
        And the Poles are definitely not more stupid than non-brothers.
        As for the Czechs, google and find a lot of videos about massive protests in the Czech Republic against aid to Ukraine.
        About the economy, I would also not advise you to be especially sad. I have some confidence that not everything is as many say.
        Under Serdyukov, it was clear to everyone that he had ruined the armed forces, the military budget was poor, etc. And then Daggers, Calibers, Zircons, Vanguards, Poseidons appeared from somewhere .... Where is the money, Zin?
        About that period, I generally imagine where they came from, under the noise of Homeric corruption. Yes, not entirely correct, but the money was sent to the right place. Someone involved could not stand it and was greedy. What did you pay for.
        I think that this time there is some option. But I have not yet heard that pensions are going to be delayed, as at the beginning of the XNUMXs.
        However, we will soon see.
        In Eastern Europe, people in the lower and middle echelons of power have long begun to understand where things are going. And in Poland, and in the Baltic states, and in the Czech Republic. They know for sure that no one is waiting for them in the West. And they are slowly getting ready. And our oligarchs have already realized that no one will give them the money stashed in the West. It's just too late already. This was discussed at Putin's meeting at the RSPP.
        1. RUR
          +2
          21 March 2023 18: 20
          There are not as many imbeciles in the world as you think. They did not run away in peacetime to go to war now. As for this particular author, I am not inclined to trust him recklessly. Back in 2020 Union of Flour Millers of Ukraine presented

          In vain they attacked Marzhetsky ... after all, he gave some data ... I met a figure somewhere - 65 million Ukrainians, at his inauguration Zelensky named the same figure - 65 million Ukrainians ... I reduced it to 60, but and let it be 50, but only in the USA officially only 10-11 million Poles, but really more, since the Poles of migrants to the USA from Prussia and Austria were recorded as Germans ... an example is one of the founders of Apple-Apple - Steve Wozniak - according to documents a German , it seems that he really thinks that he is a German, the Ukrainians write him down in the Wiki, and the Russians, by the way, also, like, albeit indirectly, but still involved in a genius, but the surname is still more Polish.
          Recently, Pavel came to Poland, he said that there is a strategic partnership between the Czech Republic and Poland, this is with the NATO and EU alliances, what do you think it means? And yes, the statements of the Czech military leave no doubt ... but no one asks the peoples, they will be driven into the trenches ... and they will go ... especially if there is a provocation

          PS I read somewhere that in the first months of the war, about 100 Ukrainians in Poland voluntarily went to the front - these were men who worked in Poland, they went without any coercion ... so do not hope ...
  7. 0
    20 March 2023 21: 00
    There will be no clash between Poland and Russia.
    The Poles are as emotional as Simonyan, Solovyov. Medvedev, who threaten everyone with an atomic bomb .....

    The Poles do not want any wars. They live well.
    If the leadership of the Russian regions arranged for citizens the same comfortable life as in Poland, then the Russians of the same Smolensk region would say HUGE thanks.
    Until recently, the Belarusians plowed the fields there and harvested the harvest, such was the collapse ....

    For 30 years, the Poles have improved their lives.
    The villages are well-groomed, everyone trades, they travel all over the world.
    What attack? Poles are like migratory birds - they will fly away at any kipish ...
    They have a problem that there are no pilots, tankers, etc. for the purchased equipment.
    Will appear in 2-5 years. So relax for now....
    And then the tanks will be resold, back to Korea)))

    All that the Poles can do is, by agreement with Russia, occupy their former territories.
    But for this Ukraine must lose control and power.
    And the Poles can strangle Zelensky in their arms.
    And then by analogy with the Crimea ..
    And Patrushev will close his eyes. He did warn.
  8. 0
    20 March 2023 21: 44
    Polls
    Should Russia use tactical nuclear weapons against Poland if it enters the war?
    The survey has been conducted since March 20, 2023.
    3422 people voted.
    Yes 72%
    No 21%
    I do not know 7%
    https://eadaily.com/ru/poll/
    1. RUR
      +1
      20 March 2023 21: 55
      Already sick of TNW in Poland ... these 72% do not know that the wind rose in Europe is such that the wind is mainly from west to east, i.e. they will receive this radiation and the author of Jstas, by the way, too, and especially in Belarus ... by the way, in a couple of years Poland will receive nuclear weapons carriers - F 35, the atom will be moved from Germany to Poland - there are such opinions, but I suspect that the Ukrainians and Poles are already somewhere in the deepest old mines of Silesia already riveting something themselves, at least the so-called dirty bomb
      1. -3
        20 March 2023 22: 28
        About the Ukrainian dirty bomb, the explosion of the dam, the explosion of the nuclear power plant, the division of Ukraine with Poland, they have been repeating for almost a year now. And nothing has changed.
        1. RUR
          +1
          20 March 2023 22: 46
          I would believe you if you pushed this cart with a dirty bomb in any way .., by the way, physics in Poland and Ukraine is at a fairly high level, Ukrainians also have some kind of experience in this matter .. .
      2. 0
        21 March 2023 01: 03
        It seems to me that in vain you are sad about the wind rose. We in Russia have a thermonuclear charge that does not give radioactive contamination of the area. It turns out that it has been used for a long time for seismic exploration, activation of oil wells, etc.
        Ours have learned to set fire to a thermonuclear reaction without a primary nuclear explosion.
        Therefore, there are no fission products of uranium. Any isotopes of iodine, cesium, etc.
        https://vgf-tag.livejournal.com/751958.html
        In this regard, you can make a charge of a kiloton or less.
        This leads one to think about Russia's suspension of the implementation of the START 3 treaty.
        Maybe they were going to change part of the warhead for new, clean, with moderate power? Like a kiloton or less?
        1. RUR
          +1
          21 March 2023 18: 47
          Well, gifts will fly from the Polish F-35s to the Russian Federation, but why else would Poland buy aircraft carriers of nuclear weapons?
          and if Russia uses the usual atomic bombs / missiles, it will receive double radiation - both Polish and its own ... so you still study the wind rose
      3. 0
        24 March 2023 16: 30
        One way or another, the Polish State must be destroyed, otherwise there will never be a good life in either the Bryansk or Kursk provinces.
      4. 0
        24 March 2023 16: 32
        In the event of a clash between the Russian army and NATO, tactical nuclear weapons must be used against Poland.
  9. 0
    21 March 2023 01: 48
    in such cases, Russia could, at the appropriate moment, turn to the Ukrainian people, and especially to the Vushniks.

    This signal can be sent if the Poles do not go to the front to fight, but remain in the western regions. The signal must reach everyone, so it is even possible to drop leaflets over cities, hack TV and other media channels.

    Citizens of Ukraine
    Poland, at one time called by Churchill the hyena of Europe, waited for the weakening of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so as not to be afraid to bite off a piece of Ukrainian lands. The Polish Armed Forces did not appear at the front against the RF Armed Forces, they are not trying to "defend" the eastern borders. They just came for your lands.
    Obviously, the Kiev regime sold these lands for its own survival.
    Russia is not ready to help Ukraine defend its territorial integrity if Ukraine itself is not ready for it.
    But if you are ready to send the Poles back home, and maybe even further - let me know! In this case, Russia is ready to provide military support to Ukraine.

    Well, or there will be an agreement with the Poles on the division of Ukraine, which may be even better than fighting for the sake of preserving the den of Bandera. Someone will have to reformat the brains of the Ukrainian Nazis in the Banderoregions. Let it be the Poles.
    It will be possible to fuel Bandera resistance against the Poles there, even send them weapons.

    But the statements of the Polish ambassador are similar to the US signal to Russia (as noted in the federal media) or an attempt to force Russia to hold back part of its military potential for a possible war with Poland and thereby ease the pressure now
  10. 0
    29 March 2023 11: 27
    What kind of reasoning is this, to whom to give part of Ukraine and to whom not?! Until we reach London and Lisbon, no stops and respite!!! To think next time!
  11. -1
    29 March 2023 11: 43
    considering how the "second army of the world" is fighting, plus the "genius" of its top military leadership, headed by the greatest leader of the Defense Ministry of all times and peoples, then a much larger and more powerful modern Poland will have every opportunity "we can repeat" and take Moscow again .And no Russian nuclear weapons will help, because they will not be used - a new red line will be drawn somewhere beyond the Urals, where the Poles will not go.
    1. 0
      29 March 2023 11: 48
      Quote: dude23
      much larger and more powerful contemporary Poland

      Let's see how the Armed Forces of Ukraine carry out their offensive with all the Western help.
      1. -1
        29 March 2023 12: 30
        there are no fools in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in the West (which is also difficult to affirmatively about the other side, in particular about directly the top military leadership or outright sabotage) and there will be no large-scale offensive. There will be local, tactical battles in separate areas.
        I have been writing this everywhere since NOVEMBER and also wrote here under a different nickname. RF Armed Forces). in the West and Ukraine are confident in the loss of the Russian Federation. They understand that the Russian Federation is stupidly trying to save face and do not exclude at all that the issue of territories can be closed not by military means. There is already an understanding on the part of the leadership of the Russian Federation. Therefore, this push-pull may still last a very long time, but by the fall they will try again about agree on something. If it doesn’t work out (there is such a high probability), then the expansion of the war with new participants (Belarus, for example) and its bitterness. the mechanisms have been completely exhausted. But this may take several years.