How the Russian liner "Superjet-100" turned into an Italian-Arab

March 3 2023 46

The history of the long-suffering project "Superjet-100" made another sharp turn. So the short-haul liner, which did not have time to completely “Russify”, went beyond the cordon, from where it once came to us, and did not promise to return.

Just a few weeks ago we told that the "Superjet", as well as other domestic liners MS-21 and Il-114, are looking for a new home in India. The head of the UAC, Slyusar, spoke in favor of transferring the production of these aircraft to Southeast Asia with subsequent localization:

A 100-seat aircraft is in demand here primarily for domestic transportation, the country is large, in our opinion, such aircraft will do. Well, we are ready to provide all the necessary assistance with both technological and technical side, because India is our great friends. We would like this friendship to develop not only in the military sphere, but also in the civil one.

I remember that at that time we expressed a hypothesis that the decision on the possibility of moving production abroad could be associated with well-known problems in the field of import substitution of Western-made components. Initially, their share in the short-haul "Superjet" reached three quarters, and in the medium-haul MS-21 - about half. The localization of Russian aircraft in India would theoretically make it possible to circumvent sanctions restrictions on components. However, apparently, New Delhi is still not interested in this format of international cooperation.

According to Gulf News, the Superjet 100 will fly from Russia to the United Arab Emirates, where it will begin mass production in 2025. It is reported that our United Aircraft Corporation is leaving the Russian-Italian joint venture SuperJet International (SJI), through which Russian aircraft were supplied to Western markets. UAC will sell its 49% stake to UAE-based Mark AB Capital Investments and exit the program entirely.

The ownership structure now looks like this: 49% of the shares are owned by Mark AB Capital, 41% by Studio Guldotti International and 10% by Leonardo. The new co-owner will invest as much as 190 million dollars in the project, of which 110 will go to expanding production facilities in Venice. The Italian-Arab partners intend to develop new versions of the Superjet, including not only passenger and business, but also cargo modifications. They plan to sell at least 240 aircraft in the UAE and India markets.

The once-Russian short-haul aircraft will be produced in the Emirates, and the final customization will take place in Venice. Also, a center will be opened in Italy, which will certify new models of the liner, train personnel, sales and after-sales service. Two Arab companies Strata and Sanad will act as component suppliers.

The former has partnerships with the world's leading aircraft manufacturers such as Airbus, Boeing and the Leonardo-Finmeccanica Aerostructures Division, and is a Tier XNUMX component supplier to Pilatus, SAAB and SABCA. Strata is owned by Mubadala Investment Company (Mubadala), an investment and development company based in Abu Dhabi, part of the UAE investment platform, which aims to promote the development of a leading aerospace center in Abu Dhabi. The second company, Sanad, is also owned by Mubadala Investment Company PJSC and provides financing, leasing and maintenance services to the global aerospace, energy and industrial sectors.

The enchanting finale of a promising Russian liner, you can’t say anything. Under this project, it was quite deliberately at one time that the domestic short-haul Tu-334, completely ready for production, was killed, having defame it with the help of various experts and analysts. But the "Superjet-100" has become truly "golden" for our country, so much budgetary funds have been pumped into it. And now this liner is becoming not even Russian-Indian, but Italian-Arab. Deal of the century!

To replace the Superjet, a 100% imported version called Superjet-New has been announced inside the Russian Federation, which must be certified, as promised, by the end of 2023. Sounds great. But there are questions.

The PD-8 aircraft engine, which is supposed to replace the French unit, has not yet been certified, and the start of its mass production, according to the most optimistic plans, is expected no earlier than 2024. Is it possible to talk about a completely imported Superjet-New without a domestic engine? There are also doubts whether it is really possible, under our sanctions conditions, to replace imports of three-quarters of aircraft components so quickly? If we really managed to set up the production of domestic components for the Superjet so quickly, why not start earning by supplying them to the conveyor to India or the UAE?

After getting acquainted with such managerial decisions, for some reason, there is some feeling of understatement.

Sergey Marzhetsky

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Michael 68

+12

3 March 2023 14: 49

Russia does not need production. We will buy everything we need. These are the words Medvedev used to say. Nothing changed. The main thing for our officials is not to produce anything.
1. Anatoly-68
  
  +5
  
  4 March 2023 15: 04
  
  Gaidar said this, as far as I remember
2. Vdars
  
  0
  
  14 March 2023 14: 35
  
  Gaidarism from his words and rushing!!
Vasya 225

+19

3 March 2023 15: 06

Serdyukov is now in the UAC. So what are the doubts? Where Serdyuk is, there is victory.
1. Vdars
  
  0
  
  14 March 2023 14: 39
  
  It’s good that he didn’t introduce Iveco on our soil (he didn’t adopt it) !!
vlad127490

+13

3 March 2023 15: 10

Comprador power of the Russian Federation. They have long been citizens of the golden billion.
1. Kostyar
  
  +10
  
  3 March 2023 15: 27
  
  Bureaucrats for sale!
2. prior
  
  +8
  
  4 March 2023 10: 54
  
  With our "Manturovs" it will not be different a priori.
Potapov

+6

3 March 2023 16: 05

The corrupt girls of capitalism ... Their efficiency is not cured ... they taught the cunning stupid freaks ...
1. Vdars
  
  0
  
  14 March 2023 14: 42
  
  Their consumption will hiccup us a lot!!
Sergey Latyshev

+10

3 March 2023 16: 19

If all this is true, then the Superjet 100 was simply sold to the Arabs.
Like, those need to develop their own. So why not start with what you've already mastered. Work to certify. Italians also like to develop together with someone. They have technology, the Arabs have money and space.

Or they pretended to be sold. To be less scolded.
and there the project will be quietly merged.

We'll find out later.
In passing

+6

3 March 2023 19: 45

There is nothing new under the sun. So who is to be thanked for this? FULL NAME?
jekasimf

+1

3 March 2023 19: 55

A strange article. The author, in fact, himself claims that there is an expansion of production, in new areas, in SA .. In order to enter the world market, bypassing sanctions.
Once again, and in Russian: In Russia, production does NOT stop. The production of an upgraded version "called Superjet-New" begins.
What's wrong again? Again order?
Any questions? Is the engine "wrong"? So they used to be.
1. The comment was deleted.
2. Nelton
  
  -3
  
  4 March 2023 22: 10
  
  Quote: jekasimf
  The engine is "wrong"? So they used to be.
  
  Here are the engines. There is only one option, pd-8.
  Even if everything else is Arabic / Italian - is tea bad for exporting aircraft engines?
  Again, the black wing and all other composite parts - the same will be from the Russian Federation.
  And in general, the list of components from the Russian Federation will not be short.
  
  Factory in UAE going to open in 2025?
  Well, in Moscow they are going to open an aircraft engine components plant in 2026.
  
  In general, if the idea succeeds, it will be a breakthrough.
Linkovich Chumovsky

+5

4 March 2023 01: 03

To replace the Superjet, a 100% imported version called Superjet-New has been announced inside the Russian Federation, which must be certified, as promised, by the end of 2023. Sounds great. But there are questions

And there are answers. Under this case, you can still oh how much money to master.
Linkovich Chumovsky

+3

4 March 2023 01: 22

It is a pity that the rules of the site do not allow you to express your thoughts with the help of profanity.
Sanya Sanin

+4

4 March 2023 03: 11

I’m generally shocked, the production of MS-21 and Tu-214 will be transferred to India, but what will our factories and people do ?! I see only one thing: another lie from the TV and another muddy schemes of officials, and all this is against the Russian Federation
1. rotkiv04
  
  +1
  
  4 March 2023 13: 14
  
  Quote: Sanya Sanin
  I’m generally shocked, the production of MS-21 and Tu-214 will be transferred to India, but what will our factories and people do ?! I see only one thing: another lie from the TV and another muddy schemes of officials, and all this is against the Russian Federation
  
  and this is the result of last year's epochal meeting of Zhdun on the issue of civil aircraft manufacturing, they realized that the matter was completely seams and this gunny manturov manager turned out to be a complete zero
dpu

+3

4 March 2023 09: 39

And let ordinary citizens try to say that I.V. Stalin is not good ... For THESE slobbering and guny slusars, etc. He is, of course, very bad. But for the country and honest people - it’s completely different !!!
1. UAZ 452
  
  -3
  
  4 March 2023 13: 38
  
  Under Stalin, the country had the opportunity to win, having lost several times more people than the enemy, now such victories will not suit anyone. And as for industrialization ... so then the Americans sold entire turnkey plants to us and set up production on them. According to statistics, up to 200 thousand Western engineers provided the then breakthrough of the country. Well, tens of millions of our people with shovels.
  And in those areas where foreigners were not allowed ... GIRD Koroleva launched toy rockets for several years, but they stubbornly did not want to fly further (higher) 1,5-2 km, then they, then "analogues" were imprisoned, and success in domestic rocket science began after the war, when the USSR received the development of von Braun, and some of his employees. That's when the suit went! What about the pre-war shipbuilding program? Battleships were laid down with pomp, but they could not build a single one, although at the very least, under the tsars, they built. Such is the negative progress ...
  So, alas, many of the problems of our country do not depend on the social system, the same NWO is similar to the Russian-Japanese, the First World War, and the Finnish.
  1. dpu
    
    +7
    
    4 March 2023 16: 32
    
    Von Braun, with his best specialists, left for the USA in 1945, and the Yankees took out almost all the V-2 samples and documentation. And what? Former convict Korolyov was left with splashes and leftovers from the master's table. And the destroyed backward country, to which "the Americans sold entire turnkey plants", got into space faster than the more developed, well-fed and advanced ones. Von Braun is resting ... And with a flight to the moon under the guidance of von Braun, questions and questions. Our cosmonauts and their colleagues signed a non-disclosure agreement for a reason. And the overseas capitalists, not for the beautiful eyes of L. Brezhnev, KAMAZ helped a lot to win back, just after the "flights of the Moon". And GIRD Korolev worked under the guidance of the unforgettable Tukhachevsky, because of whom Korolev went to Kolyma. Yes, and eReSs and Katyushas were created by former GIRD members, and smart Germans hunted for samples until the end of the war, so they didn’t blind an analogue.
  2. Sergei Fonov
    
    +2
    
    4 March 2023 18: 00
    
    The losses of the spacecraft and the population of the USSR are still not exactly known, there is no critical difference in losses in the army, historians say. By factories, until 2014, we were quite close friends with the West, but Gaidar, then Kudrin decided that you can make money by investing your money to the Western economy. US rockets and nuclear weapons were built by physicists who fled from Hitler to the West, after the war, the same Brown. Shipbuilding pre-war programs, it is naive to expect that after the civil war and intervention in the destroyed country there will be an abundance of funds for all transformations. I agree with your position that the attitude towards Russia does not depend on the social system in Russia, if earlier in the West they quietly hated Russia, now they are implementing a policy of genocide of the Russian people much more frankly than the Nazis.
    1. Nikolay Volkov
      
      +3
      
      5 March 2023 08: 11
      
      now they are pursuing a policy of genocide of the Russian people more actively than the Nazis?
      
      excuse me, but Obama also closes schools and hospitals in the Russian Federation with Biden? or is it Ilyin's fans inside Russia? if you call them Nazis, then there are no objections ...
      1. Sergei Fonov
        
        +1
        
        5 March 2023 20: 46
        
        There were 3 schools in the village, now there is only one, and instead of 1200 children there are now up to 500. Ilyin refused to cooperate with Vlasov, and in Switzerland he wrote anti-Hitler articles, he is not all so black, but they usually use what is convenient. There were 11 thousand in the village, now there are 4, along with the surrounding villages, the surgeon has long been gone from the hospital. Experts from the box say that it is impossible to manage pricing policy in a market state, you can only pay farmers a penny for their work, and retail chains are untouchable. There are many problems, but the main one is of course Ukraine.
  3. Nikolay Volkov
    
    +1
    
    5 March 2023 08: 08
    
    so then the Americans sold entire turnkey plants to us
    
    I understand that for you the key word in this phrase is the Americans, although the key here was SOLD ... and it is worth noting that then these sold factories worked for the benefit of the country, the surplus value from their work remained within the Union, and did not go to the accounts of the oligarchs , their yachts and footballs ... by the way, what prevented Putin's Russian Federation from doing something like that? The "American" MMK is still working ... but where is Putin's great automotive industry, can you tell me?
    
    secondly, you have already been washed with von Braun, but still I will say ... but how did it happen that the stupid Korolev, with the developments of von Braun, was the first to launch an artificial earth satellite and the first cosmonaut into space faster than the great von Braun ... if that lived until 1977 and saw firsthand his defeat in the space race...
    1. UAZ 452
      
      0
      
      5 March 2023 12: 27
      
      secondly, you have already been washed with von Braun, but still I will say ... but how did it happen that the stupid Korolev, with the developments of von Braun, launched the first artificial earth satellite and the first cosmonaut into space faster than the great von Braun
      
      Washed? I wrote somewhere that we had von Braun himself? German specialists who participated in the V-projects - yes, I still say this now, because I read about it. Or will you refute? If not complete design documentation for the missiles, then there were also working samples.
      And why, in the 50s, rocket science developed faster in our country than in the United States, in principle, it is understandable - ALL the efforts and resources of the country were concentrated on this topic, since it was a matter of survival. The United States had a head start in the form of air bases covering the entire USSR from all sides, excellent strategic bombers, so it was not so important for them to drive horses with missiles. We, however, could not threaten the United States itself until the appearance of intercontinental missiles, even in the presence of the vigorous loaves themselves. Sputnik and Gagarin are just a side, albeit a pleasant offshoot from the main program - the formation of the Strategic Missile Forces.
      It's like in a war (yes, it was a war) - the weaker side can, through incredible efforts, concentrate forces and means in one place, becoming stronger than the enemy here, win the battle. But winning a war "for a long time" in this way is much less common. Therefore, back in 1969, von Braun saw revenge for the initial defeat in the space race, and then ... everything in general became sad for us, and not only with space.
      1. Nelton
        
        +2
        
        5 March 2023 15: 43
        
        Quote: UAZ 452
        we generally felt sad, and not only with space.
        
        It is with space - I would not say that "everything is sad." A bunch of pH union - kk union - mk progress - os salute / peace turned out to be more economical and more promising than reusable shuttles, for all their pathos.
        As a result, shuttles are in museums, and unions fly and deliver, incl. astronauts, dragons - in the concept of unions, not shuttles. China's program reproduces precisely the Soviet approach.
        
        How the Russian liner "Superjet-100" turned into an Italian-Arab
        
        Returning to the topic - the people, why is there such a cry of Yaroslavl?
        Superjet international for us, for any cut piece, and it's a miracle that we managed to sell it, and not just write it off.
        
        Next.
        The Arabs decided to start their own aircraft building program, there is money.
        Well, let's say they would buy a license for bombardier or embraer, and start making them with zero components from the Russian Federation.
        This would be neither bad nor good for the Russian Federation. You never know who and what is doing there.
        But suddenly they chose our ssj as the basis.
        Judging by the announced amounts, this plant will be engaged in SKD screwdriver assembly.
        Even for customization (upholstery - chairs - rugs), they even laid more.
        Those. all main units and components will be from the Russian Federation and partially imported, but which are not supplied to the Russian Federation.
        Here again, if it were the assembly of some kind of Embraer thread (neutral for the Russian Federation), then the supply of any components from the Russian Federation (and the same chassis and heat exchangers that were made for Boeing) would be quite positive for us.
        And then there will be engines, and wings, and another 100500 components.
        At the same time, aircraft for the Russian Federation will still be made in the Russian Federation.
        9 billion rubles are invested in one expansion of the production of engine nacelles for engines (Voronezh), this is $ 100+ million,
        More than the entire plant in the UAE....
  4. Nikolay Volkov
    
    +2
    
    5 March 2023 08: 58
    
    the military losses of the USSR and its opponents (especially if we consider not only Germany, but all those who came here: all sorts of Hungarians, Romanians, Italians and other blue divisional rabble) are quite comparable ... and the difference is explained by the genocide of the civilian population of the Soviet country ...
    
    further about the shipbuilding program ... and of the ships you only know battleships? Have you heard about Soviet submarines, right? and it’s not in modern Russia to talk about shipbuilding ... that’s where there is negative progress, so it’s now ... especially in the context of surface ships
    
    and as for the tsars, they built battleships, but Stalin couldn’t ... and it’s good that he couldn’t ... because the outcome of the Second World War was decided not by battleships, but by tanks, artillery and aviation ... and the nuclear program of the USSR ensured peace for many years .. .if these finances were spent on battleships, we would hardly talk to you now ...
    
    summarize? you lied about the losses several times more ... because the fact that the Soviet army did not destroy civilian Germans cannot be something negative, and military losses have no difference SEVERAL times ...
    
    "American" industrialization ... is it bad that a backward country buys modern technologies, as a result of which it becomes the second economy in the world? I want to remind you that the USSR was a backward country not as a result of the actions of the stupid Bolsheviks, but as a result of the historical legacy ... let me remind you that the metro in London was opened in 1861 ... the Russian Federation in the 2000s had every opportunity to repeat this path ... but instead of turnkey technologies, we decided to purchase screwdriver assemblies ... as a result, we were left without assembly and without technologies ... unlike the same "American" Magnitogorsk ... and now, due to its impotence, only stigmatize Stalin ... who, you see, carried out the wrong industrialization ... that's it, you had to buy football clubs, and he had some factories ...
    
    3. mediocre Korolev and the great von Braun ... it remains a mystery only why Gagarin, and not some kind of Jack Smith ... although if you do not mention in the text that von Braun was taken to the USA and continued to work there, then he may have failed ...
    
    and the last thing ... supposedly does not depend on the social system ... well, yes ... when the Kazakhs raised an uprising due to dissatisfaction with labor mobilization and when the children of those Kazakhs stopped German tanks near Dubosekovo at the cost of their lives - of course, such a difference did not come from - to change the social structure ...
    1. UAZ 452
      
      0
      
      5 March 2023 12: 34
      
      Have you heard about Soviet submarines, right?
      
      And what is the tonnage of enemy ships sunk by Soviet and the same German submariners?
      About the separation of military and civilian losses - this vile tradition is very popular with us. If you forget that the main task of the army is to protect the civilian population, it even works. The genocide of the civilian population of the USSR was precisely the consequence of the fact that the Red Army failed in its main task.
      About Korolev and von Braun answered above. If the economy can produce guns instead of butter, then it may even be necessary for a short period of history, and then, if this continues, 1991 becomes inevitable.
    2. UAZ 452
      
      -1
      
      5 March 2023 12: 46
      
      and it’s not in modern Russia to talk about shipbuilding ... that’s where there is negative progress, so it’s now ... especially in the context of surface ships
      
      But I completely agree with this: negative progress began back in the 60s, and then it only accelerated. In 1991, the country did not at all follow some "other path", the masks were simply thrown off. It is by no means an accident that most of the current elite, even before 1991, were by no means locksmiths and peasants. And there were zero dissidents of that time among them. So there was no revolution or counter-revolution then, it was just a change of scenery, a palace coup with a redistribution of power.
      PS As for the fleet, now it's better to take a break in military shipbuilding altogether. What we can realistically build now is a negative value for defense capability. The same drowned Moskva caused as many image losses as the defeat of several ground brigades could not have caused. The military budget is now needed for a lot of things, and this "many things" is much more useful now and in the future than the fleet and the Airborne Forces.
    3. Ksv
      
      0
      
      5 March 2023 20: 03
      
      On the whole, I’m plus, although why, in general, 100% with one remark, they just had such a ship as the "Marat", which was on the roadstead in Leningrad, still pulls more like a battleship in class, Yes, and it seems we had another similar ship
  5. Ksv
    
    +1
    
    5 March 2023 19: 15
    
    Why are you lying? Svidomo or what?
    There are statistics on the combat losses of both the Soviet army and the German army on the Internet, moreover, reliable. they are about equal
2. Nikolay Volkov
  
  +1
  
  5 March 2023 09: 08
  
  they have already said below ... the truth was substantiated either by outright lies, or by juggling of facts and omissions ...
  
  30 years of mockery of education were not in vain ... and some people are not able to understand that 27 million dead Soviet citizens are more than half of the civilian losses caused by the Nazi genocide against the civilian population on Soviet soil ... apparently, Stalin is to blame, that he did not give the order in response to destroy 15 million German women and children ... then the UAZ452 would be happy ...
  
  well, or you can crow about the fact that the mediocre Korolev launched Vostok-1 only thanks to the achievements of von Braun ... in the hope that few people know what von Braun himself did after the war, to which country he was taken along with his engineers and development...
  
  this is also about how Nicholas II personally developed GOELRO, something was not said this time ...
kriten

0

4 March 2023 10: 06

The hundredth was created in the era of general theft. It was for this (for kickbacks abroad) that Chemezov and his managers strove to ensure that the plane had as much as possible foreign
rotkiv04

+3

4 March 2023 13: 12

in general, the sensitive and "brilliant" leadership of the greatest geostrategist of all times and peoples affects everything, ugh ...
1. Nikolay Volkov
  
  0
  
  5 March 2023 09: 14
  
  the greatest geostrategist once again proves the loyalty of the Marxist-Leninist theory that the state is a tool in the hands of the ruling class ... well, for the population that loves a "strong hand" they created an image that either flies after the Siberian Cranes, or gets amphorae, or juda someone then he throws it on the tatami ...
  
  Borya established the power of the bourgeoisie in Russia, and Vova strengthened and expanded it ... remember how the seven-bankers transformed into a hundred-oligarchs ... oh, excuse me, socially responsible businessmen ... who, for some reason, buys iPhones for the Azov people, and not Vanya Ivanova from Uryupinsk ... well, for those who doubt, there is always a bad Stalin, who could not do anything without the help of the Americans and surrounded himself with mediocre queens who could not do anything without the help of the Germans ...
  1. UAZ 452
    
    +1
    
    5 March 2023 12: 56
    
    You even write everything correctly. Only more important is what you do not write about:
    1. Within the framework of what system, what party, what country and what system were Yeltsin and Gorbachev nurtured and received power?
    2. If they were traitors, would they have been able to do at least something if not for the huge number of traitors in the power steps just below?
    3. If the system, the party has fostered SUCH a number of traitors, then does it even make sense to call them traitors? Isn't it more truthful to say that the CPSU itself (the rank and file in the later period played no role at all there, so the party = the nomenklatura) finally and completely disintegrated?
    4. If in the 70-80s the CPSU and the entire Soviet elite turned into opportunists and degenerates, can the USSR of an earlier period be considered a healthy society if it could not do the main thing - to ensure the education and continuity of its elite?
    1. Ksv
      
      +1
      
      5 March 2023 20: 11
      
      After Stalin, who essentially built the USSR, all the other rulers, starting from Khrushchev, led the country to sunset, this is a fact that you painted.
      Unfortunately, the bureaucracy and the nomenclature won, Stalin did not have time to destroy it, although he really wanted to. He wrote about it by the way. About the fact that he is afraid of the bureaucracy, it is she who is capable of destroying the country. And he turned out to be a great visionary.
      And as for your last paragraph, you can give a lot of examples, but I will give one - it is a healthy body that starts to get sick, nothing strange. This is not nature, which develops from simple to complex with little or no error. Nature has had evolutions for this for millions of years, and our species seems to be only at the very beginning of the path...
rotkiv04

+4

4 March 2023 13: 16

Quote: In passing
There is nothing new under the sun. So who is to be thanked for this? FULL NAME?

so everyone knows, it’s just that in a “democratic” country you can’t name names, you can thunder to the fanfare
wolf46

+3

5 March 2023 10: 08

The story with "Aurus" is repeated:
1) the costs of creating a new product were borne by the Russian budget;
2) the Arabs are included in the finished project, which will be renamed for the new market.
Kuramori Reika

+4

5 March 2023 10: 23

On the example of Shoigu and Gerasimov, one can see Putin's managerial "talent". He deliberately chose people with a criminal past and a criminal mentality for leadership roles. Such managers have the skills to steal budget funds, but they have neither dignity nor creative skills. Their IQs are typically below 60, approaching the level of animals. Even their offspring are like bio-garbage for selection, which is worth only the Arab girl Ksyushka.
1. rotkiv04
  
  +3
  
  5 March 2023 12: 26
  
  Quote: Kuramori Reika
  On the example of Shoigu and Gerasimov, one can see Putin's managerial "talent". He deliberately chose people with a criminal past and a criminal mentality for leadership roles. Such managers have the skills to steal budget funds, but they have neither dignity nor creative skills. Their IQs are typically below 60, approaching the level of animals. Even their offspring are like bio-garbage for selection, which is worth only the Arab girl Ksyushka.
  
  and what's surprising if Putin, being in the service of Sobchak, he himself was engaged in racketeering and shooters, so that the fish rots from the head
Alex D

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8 March 2023 10: 00

They will take it out to the Arabs, then they themselves will localize the remnants with the Arabs

Quote: rotkiv04
Quote: Kuramori Reika
On the example of Shoigu and Gerasimov, one can see Putin's managerial "talent". He deliberately chose people with a criminal past and a criminal mentality for leadership roles. Such managers have the skills to steal budget funds, but they have neither dignity nor creative skills. Their IQs are typically below 60, approaching the level of animals. Even their offspring are like bio-garbage for selection, which is worth only the Arab girl Ksyushka.

and what's surprising if Putin, being in the service of Sobchak, he himself was engaged in racketeering and shooters, so that the fish rots from the head

These invaders have stolen from us for 30 years.
Alex D

0

8 March 2023 11: 11

Probably, the planes will simply be donated and then British engineers will start working with the Arabs to localize in the "correct way".
jekasimf

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3 July 2023 17: 10

To begin with, in essence. The plane is NOT sold to the Arabs. But it is planned to be assembled on their territory. The same negotiations are underway with the Hindus. OUR fuselage is being assembled, and the engines are being installed by Western ones. For we are under sanctions. We, at home, DO NOT stop production, but we collect updated ones, with PD-8 engines.
For reference, as they say now "proofs": (offhand, the first from the list)
https://www.todaykhv.ru/news/economics-and-business/60660/?sphrase_id=3322506
https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/1096343-ssj-new-rosteh-ispytaniya
1. Nelton
  
  0
  
  3 July 2023 17: 41
  
  Quote: jekasimf
  this article
  
  Oh, what an antiquity they raised ...
  
  Quote: jekasimf
  The aircraft was NOT sold to the Arabs. It is planned to be assembled on their territory
  
  yeah, the same "screwdriver" that turbo-patriots love to snort so much, if it is in the Russian Federation.
  
  Quote: jekasimf
  engines put western
  
  The issue with the engines is a separate one.
  I doubt very much that the French will resume participation in the project.
  Well, in the same emirates, it is necessary to do a separate assembly production of engines, to connect the French hot part with the rest of the Rybinsk one.
  So if it does, then with the PD-8.
  
  Given the state of affairs with the establishment of mass production of engines and other components - all this is not 2023 and not 2024.
  In light of this, I would generally stop any publications on the topic of aircraft construction on non-specialized resources.
  
  Here just now:
  
  ...They also examined the complex under construction of PJSC Irkut Corporation (part of PJSC UAC of the state corporation Rostec): a full-cycle enterprise for the manufacture of components for the wing of the MS-21 aircraft will be located in Rudnevo
  
  what follows from this news?
  that on the one hand, the industry is developing, even under the wing components they make a separate production.
  on the other hand, until they build it, until they equip it with equipment, until they enter mass production, both 2023 and 2024 will pass, God forbid, deliveries of products to the main "conveyor" will begin in 2025.
  But this is not accurate either.
  
  And accordingly, all this time you can be sarcastic and gee-gee-kat about the e-mobile, effective managers and sigh for the Tu-334.