Why both the US and China are betting on Russia's defeat in the conflict with Ukraine


During his visit to Kiev, clearly timed to coincide with some kind of "epoch-making" speech by Vladimir Putin on the anniversary of the recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR, US President Joe Biden promised to supply Ukraine with a huge amount of offensive weapons. It is obvious that the White House is not going to give up its bet on the military defeat of Russia. It is very significant that at the same time, quite unexpectedly, China came up with a peacekeeping initiative, which diligently tried to distance itself from the war on the territory of the former Independent.


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Speaking in Kiev, President Biden said that the United States had succeeded in creating an (anti-Russian) coalition of more than 50 countries, stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and promised to provide the Armed Forces with an impressive new military aid package:

We all pledged to supply about 700 tanks and a thousand armored vehicles, a thousand artillery systems, more than two million artillery shells, more than 50 advanced multiple launch rocket systems <....> and air defense systems.

It is quite obvious that we are talking about modern NATO-style offensive weapons, since the stocks of the old Soviet equipmentcollected for Kyiv around the world, pretty depleted. To compare the scale, the Russian SVR published the following data on the weapons already supplied to Ukraine by its Western sponsors and accomplices:

The Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation has information that during the period of aggression against Russia since December 2021, NATO countries transferred 1170 air defense systems, 440 tanks, 1510 infantry fighting vehicles, 655 artillery systems to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

That is, there is a clear and deliberate escalation of the conflict with Russia, which was directly stated by President Biden, promising Ukraine "hard days, weeks and years." In turn, I would like to reproach those domestic news observers, experts, analysts and other predictors who are busy calming the alarmed public, telling them that the collective West allegedly "throws" Kiev with the supply of modern strike weapons and that they, these weapons, allegedly will not have any impact on the course of hostilities.

In fact, the legalization of NATO tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and other military equipment is proceeding exactly according to the algorithm, which we describe in detail told previously. At first, the "Western partners" argued among themselves about miserable dozens of tanks with a bunch of reservations, and now we are talking about 700. Then there will be 1700 or 2700, if necessary. There will be fighters, and attack aircraft, and bombers, and anti-submarine aircraft to hunt our "Varshavyanka" in the Black Sea, and cruise missiles, and in the end - even tactical nuclear weapons. The war that began a year ago is too beneficial for the American and European military-industrial complex for it to have a chance to end as soon as possible. Here are some numbers to illustrate.

Poland, neighboring Ukraine, will invest $2023 billion in the purchase of modern weapons in 22. Warsaw's military spending will reach 4% of GDP, which will make it the leader in this indicator among the countries of the NATO bloc. The Polish Army will have two new divisions deployed on the eastern border. Attention is also drawn to the composition of weapons, which they rely on in Warsaw. Do you remember how negatively the appearance of only two dozen HIMARS MLRS in the Armed Forces of Ukraine affected the state of affairs of the RF Armed Forces at the front? So, Poland ordered 486 HIMARS from Lockheed Martin, and 218 units of their functional counterparts called K249 Chunmoo from South Korea. Seoul will also sell 1000 modern Panthers K2 tanks to Warsaw, most of which will be localized and assembled in Poland, and Washington - 366 Abrams tanks. You don't have to be a great predictor to imagine scenarios in which these armored vehicles could later end up in Ukraine.

Arming and other Western European countries. France will spend 2030 billion euros on defense by 400. Britain will soon increase military spending by 10 billion pounds. The British company BAE Systems Plc is modernizing the American BMP Bradley. Shares of the German defense concern Rheinmetall and the Swedish Saab rose by 100%. In addition, the former Warsaw Pact countries also benefited from the war in Ukraine. There are now actively increasing the volume of production of Soviet-style ammunition and weapons, which are then sent to Ukraine along the "untouchable" railways. Prague and Kyiv generally created a joint defense cluster for the repair of Ukrainian armored vehicles, which the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Czech Republic Tomasz Kopechny commented as follows:

The Czech Republic will become a reliable industrial rear for the Ukrainian defense and the entire military-industrial complex.

So it goes. Nobody there is going to give Ukraine away kindly. Seeing the weakness, the "Western partners" intend to push Russia further, until its defeat. This armed conflict is for a long time, and President Biden is not in vain talking about "difficult years." The matter is very serious.

China offers to surrender?


Quite symptomatic in this vein is the unexpected peacekeeping demonstrated by Beijing. The head of the office of the Foreign Affairs Commission of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, Wang Yi, during a conversation with French President Emmanuel Macron, stated the need for a political solution to the armed conflict in Ukraine. According to the information and analytical agency Bloomberg, citing anonymous European officials, Mr. Wang Yi during his visit to Moscow, which is due to take place today, February 21, 2023, will come up with the following initiative:

European officials familiar with the plan, who asked not to be named, said the plan was expected to include calls for a ceasefire and arms supplies to Ukraine. They said the US and its allies think Putin might make similar remarks during a speech Tuesday in Moscow.

Recall that the activation of Beijing was preceded by the threat of a "fundamental revision of relations" between the United States and China from Washington, if China provides material support to Russia.

How can one evaluate the Chinese “peace dove”? An optimist will say that Beijing has decided to position itself in the international arena as an active peacemaker in defiance of the United States and the NATO bloc with all their accomplices, while it will continue to tacitly support Russia. A pessimist, on the other hand, may assume that now China will push the Kremlin towards Minsk-3. What can China get if our country is defeated? Look at the map.

If the last assumption is correct, then a truce without a decisive and unconditional victory of Russia over an irreconcilable adversary will simply give Kyiv time to rearm and prepare for an even more powerful strike with extremely adverse consequences for our country.
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  1. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 21 February 2023 10: 31
    +12
    Either Biden is bluffing or the position of the Russian Federation is really unenviable. Taking into account the ambivalent position of China, which apparently is not averse to fishing in troubled waters, Russia essentially has only one serious argument, the threat of the use of nuclear weapons. That's right, first the threat. But act now, place, test, pull out of warehouses.
    1. silver169 Offline silver169
      silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) 22 February 2023 11: 47
      +3
      Only the use of tactical nuclear weapons could save Russia. But, unfortunately, its application is very unlikely. When a slow-witted person is at the helm of power, the country is doomed. In 2014, he had a great opportunity to enter the history of Russia as a great collector of Russian lands ... but a faithful follower of Judas Yeltsin chickened out. It was in 2014, choosing between war and shame, that he chose shame, and in the end he got both war and shame.
      1. go to Offline go to
        go to (ira) 24 February 2023 17: 51
        +1
        why are you crazy about what WMD ??
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    3. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
      Peter rybak (Patrol) 27 February 2023 20: 10
      0
      What part of the brain did you turn on? None? What is the use of nuclear weapons? You do not care about the children of grandchildren, mothers, sisters for the sake of your master's dubious ideals?
  2. unc-2 Offline unc-2
    unc-2 (Nikolai Malyugin) 21 February 2023 11: 07
    +12
    To surrender is to be defeated. China does not need our defeat. But the conflict prevents China from continuing to do business with Europe. China’s view of the war is very different from ours. And if we hadn’t voluntarily given up our lands in 91, then our views on foreign policy would have been the same. Our main enemy is not the West, it remained as it was, but time of missed opportunities.
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 21 February 2023 16: 37
      +5
      If Russia wins in Ukraine, then it will strengthen its position on the world stage and China can only count on a discount from the sale of Russian minerals, which Russia will continue to be forced to sell while under sanctions. But if Russia loses, then it will definitely break up into several puppet states and China will have a great opportunity to either chop off a huge piece of Russian territory or create its own puppet state on a part of the territory that is completely under its control. So, China really benefits from the defeat of Russia.
      1. Anatoly Porotnikov (Anatoly Porotnikov) 22 February 2023 06: 10
        +4
        Profitable defeat of Russia? What would then be left alone with all the imperialist predators and their pack of jackals?
        1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
          goncharov.62 (Andrei) 22 February 2023 15: 11
          +3
          Stupidity or provocative. After Russia, they will bite China and not wince. And the Celestial Empire must understand this. "Now many will fly ..." (c)
          1. go to Offline go to
            go to (ira) 24 February 2023 17: 52
            +1
            No, everything is cool in China. Everyone there will volunteer. Anyone who has been to China will understand. Can't stand against billions
        2. go to Offline go to
          go to (ira) 24 February 2023 17: 51
          +1
          Yes, we will be serfs of China. This is very beneficial for them.
      2. Andrey2023 Offline Andrey2023
        Andrey2023 (Andrei) 23 February 2023 15: 31
        0
        What is the opportunity to chop off a piece? Will the Anglo-Saxons share with him?
        For them, this is a defeat, China already has resources that are superfluous from the point of view of the NATO countries, it will not be allowed to strengthen further.
        The territory itself does not mean much, China needs oil and gas.
        And it is transported through pipelines from fields located far from its borders. Russia normally sells these resources to him, in other cases they may be lost to him.
        For example, the length of the "Power of Siberia" is 2159 km.
        The Eastern Oil Pipeline connects the fields of Western and Eastern Siberia with the markets of Asia and the USA. The length is 4 km.
        The loss of these resources for China is critical, because the sea lanes will be cut off at the snap of fingers from Washington.
        Then China does not have strategic nuclear forces comparable to those of the NATO bloc.
        So your conclusions are at least controversial.
        1. go to Offline go to
          go to (ira) 24 February 2023 17: 54
          +2
          forget about WMD, no one in the west wants to die. They live too well for that. they are not the DPRK, Is it really so hard to understand.
  3. Igor Offline Igor
    Igor (Igor Vladimirovich) 21 February 2023 11: 07
    +6
    It’s just that the Chinese were stunned by the fantastically “advanced management style of the Russian military leadership” and the ability to step back and decided that it’s better for the Russian Federation to lose a part than everything and it’s better to have 1 weak state on its border than 5 even weaker ones.
  4. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 21 February 2023 11: 44
    -14
    TNW strikes on Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lutsk are obviously necessary
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  6. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 21 February 2023 12: 05
    -7
    a truce without a decisive and unconditional victory of Russia over an irreconcilable adversary will simply give Kyiv time to rearm and prepare for an even more powerful strike

    So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not struck at all, only picking up what was left without a fight.
    And a year ago, it was not the Armed Forces of Ukraine that struck at the Russian Federation, but the Russian Federation sent in its troops and occupied a number of territories.
    So it is in Ukraine that the logic is appropriate that "a truce will give Moscow time to rearm and prepare for an even more powerful strike."

    In fact, the time for rearmament is the same for both sides, the question is who will use it better and who is more hampered by mutual shelling.

    At the moment, the Russian Federation does not have superiority in conventional weapons over the NATO countries in order to achieve decisive, unconditional, so in any case, the attack on Uzhgorod is postponed.

    Will the Russian Federation be able to milk such superiority?
    Even if you throw all the resources at the military-industrial complex, taking them from the social sphere and the development of the economy / infrastructure, I strongly doubt that it will work out. The economic potentials of the Russian Federation and the bloc of NATO countries are too incommensurable. But this is guaranteed to undermine the country, and for years cutting back on social programs and development, we will come to a new 1991, which is what the United States is actually betting on.

    Concreting of defense and evacuation of civilians from the frontline zone is much less expensive.
    In the event of a truce, if it lasts for any length of time, even in Ukraine there will be fewer and fewer people who want to be subjected to massive shelling again. Moreover, the arsenals for shelling on any will be accumulated, although not at the maximum possible pace.
    On the other hand, it will be possible to develop the economy, and our opponents will wait for the new 1991 as the second coming, constantly postponing the final collapse for "two years" from the current date.
    1. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 21 February 2023 12: 49
      +15
      The problem is that with the existing enemy top in the face of the Fin. authorities, Russia, even in the event of a truce, will continue to degrade to the level of Zimbabwe or the countries of Micronesia and Polynesia ...
    2. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 21 February 2023 12: 52
      -6
      I will clarify -

      arsenals for shelling will accumulate in any way, although not as fast as possible

      far from being the same as

      throw all resources on the military-industrial complex

      You can produce 10 missiles per month, or you can produce 100.
      10 won't break the economy, but 100 is easy.
      But even if they are produced at 10 per month, and not spent, in 2-4-10 years they will accumulate enough to not burn with the desire to fall under their massive blow. Even if there are means to respond.

      Quote: Vladimir80
      Russia, even in the event of a truce, will continue degrade to the level of Zimbabwe

      Russia quite successfully developsand not degrade.
      1. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
        Vladimir80 21 February 2023 14: 01
        +4
        Russia is quite successfully developing, not degrading.

        to be honest, I haven’t noticed yet, there was a hope a year ago that changes would begin, but so far there has been nothing significant ... if you have a different opinion - share it, it will be interesting!
        1. Nelton Offline Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 21 February 2023 16: 28
          -1
          Quote: Vladimir80
          To be honest I haven't noticed yet

          Where does a friend live?

          - Infrastructure is being built. roads, bridges, airports, subways.
          indoor skating rinks, swimming pools, schools and kindergartens.
          gasification increased from 40% to 73%
          Housing is being built at a record pace and housing supply is rising.
          Perinatal centers were built, and infant mortality was reduced to European-US indicators.
          Is this not development?

          - Technological projects are being carried out as usual. VVER-1200 reactors are already operating, VVER-1300 is being completed. MS-21 with Russian engines is already flying. Icebreakers 22220 are guiding ships, 10510 Leader is under construction.

          - in the transport system - Russian electric trains, trams, buses, electric buses operate. In the days of the RSFSR, there was import in Moscow - Riga electric trains, Czech trams, Hungarian buses.

          - the production of agricultural products is growing, and from a hopeless net importer, the Russian Federation has become a net exporter.

          - built a new cosmodrome, raised quality control throughout the chain of rocketry, having achieved a record-breaking accident-free series of 100 launches. Yes, and the Angara did fly.

          -the depth of oil refining rose from 67% to 84%.
          -production of basic polymers has grown many times, and large plants are being built.
          say polypropylene - from 97 thousand tons to 1 thousand tons.
          1. basilchurikov Offline basilchurikov
            basilchurikov (vasily churikov) 21 February 2023 19: 26
            -2
            are these fairy tales?
            1. Nelton Offline Nelton
              Nelton (Oleg) 22 February 2023 09: 46
              +2
              Quote from basilchurikov
              are these fairy tales?

              yes, yes, "I'm sure you'll be sure!" (C)

              Funny.
              The site is considered as if patriotic, but for a message with a brief listing of some of the achievements of the Russian Federation "-5" at the moment.

              And they themselves, as it were, "patriots" are ready to tear their shirts off, proving that Russia ("one thieves!") Is the worst state in the world, in principle not capable of development, "while the whole world is developing" (C).

              Guys, if the Russian Federation is really one thief incapable of development, as you prove it, then there is nothing surprising in the fact that citizens of other countries are ready to defend every farm to the last, just not to end up in the same state with this "one thief".
              This is far from being the case, the Russian Federation is developing quite well - see above - but thanks, among other things, to your efforts, the image was created just like that ...
              1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
                goncharov.62 (Andrei) 22 February 2023 15: 17
                -2
                I especially feel it on the skin of our LLC ...
              2. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
                Piramidon (Stepan) 23 February 2023 07: 54
                +2
                You don't prove anything like that. This is the type of people who see nothing further than their yard. He looked out the window, saw that his toilet had collapsed and Putin was in no hurry to repair it, from which he concludes that Russia is degrading
          2. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
            goncharov.62 (Andrei) 22 February 2023 15: 16
            -2
            Dyainka king, very hot cauliflower! ...
          3. go to Offline go to
            go to (ira) 24 February 2023 18: 00
            +1
            and what about plants, factories, infrastructure. From Moscow 100 km horror.
      2. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 22 February 2023 15: 15
        +1
        And you will not show - where, in what, and in what places is it (Russia) developing? I just live in a beautiful region called the Tver region. And I'll tell you what - the term "developing" is not for us. I don't know how it is in the mountains... but Moscow St. Petersburg can be ignored.
        So?...
        1. Nelton Offline Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 22 February 2023 15: 55
          +5
          Quote: goncharov.62
          Tver region. And I'll tell you what - the term "developing" is not for us.

          M-11 was laid through you, isn't it noticeable?
          The Tver Carriage Works is provided with orders.
          The center of Tver looks quite good.
          The Tver Suvorov School was transferred to a new complex of buildings.
          A modern dialysis center (Nefroline) was introduced not so long ago.
          School in microdistrict Brusilovo.


          The microdistrict itself is nothing like that.
          A bridge across the Volga is under construction...
          1. Nelton Offline Nelton
            Nelton (Oleg) 22 February 2023 16: 55
            +1
            Or here is RzhevMash - cheerfully reports on development in production
            -The first Russian ballistic separator for mixed MSW
            - accelerating conveyors for optical separators with belt width up to 3000 mm and belt speed up to 4 m/s.
            http://ecomechanica.ru/category/sobitiya/

            Isn't this development - mastering the production of equipment for waste processing (instead of landfills)?
          2. Pavel Darts Offline Pavel Darts
            Pavel Darts (Pavel Darts) 24 February 2023 12: 44
            0
            It's useless. There is a type of people who will whine incessantly
    3. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 21 February 2023 12: 59
      +8
      Oleg, this is a real liberal hysteria, complete nonsense, some kind of ridiculous nonsense, we have no way back, as it will never be again, the devil is not as terrible as he is painted, any difficulties can be overcome, for this you need to talk less and more do.
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 21 February 2023 13: 19
        0
        Quote: sgrabik
        we have no way back, as before there will never be again

        ?
        But was it somewhere in my text that "it is necessary to return everything as it was"?
        Everyone understands that the window to Europe is boarded up for the foreseeable future.

        Quote: sgrabik
        difficulties are surmountable, for this it is necessary to chat less and do more

        Well, we are expanding BAM and Transsib, + a new railway to Chumikan, and much more.
        1. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
          Rico1977 (Alexander) 23 February 2023 20: 09
          +6
          Fully agree with you Nelton on all your answers. All these urapatriots are sitting scribbling comments and tearing their shirts instead of working. Or let's attack to Lisbon, but no one joined the army. And the lack of people in the troops is now the main problem of our army. Or they yell that it was necessary to finish off the ruin in the 14th, not realizing that in the 14th we would not have been able to withstand such sanctions pressure as now. Maybe the rejection of such Western sanctions was the reason for our stop. But if then they introduced what is now - our economy, our banking and financial sectors would collapse. And these screamers would be the first to run into the street to overthrow Putin. And so in the 14th they ate withstood. Now you can see - for 8 years we have prepared well. There is no financial, trade or political isolation.
          Our state is really developing well, but is it fast enough? And is it possible to develop in such a way as to be able to defeat the West? This is the main question of screamers. And this also makes sense. It is clear that the war is long. And that now NATO also does not have superiority in conventional weapons. But it will. Huge money was poured into the military-industrial complex in the West. New workshops and factories are being built. 1-3 years and they will start mass production of weapons. And the industrial potential of Russia and the entire West, plus Japan and Korea, is incomparable. This means that sooner or later even our most reinforced concrete defense will be broken through. Filled with meat and missiles. The mobilization potential of the West is also much greater than ours. There are 16 million combat veterans in the US alone. Millions!!! We won’t recruit so many recruits, but they have people with combat experience. At the same time, everyone understands - this fight is up to bloody diarrhea. If the West wins, we will be torn apart. If Russia wins, the West will collapse and Russia will eventually subdue at least the whole of Europe. Well, that is, the stakes are high and grow even higher with each move of the parties.
          And this is with the neutrality of China and the global South. What China will do - only God knows. But I wouldn't trust him. It is always easier to have resources yourself than to pay for them. This means that in 2-3 years we will be one on one with all the fired-up potential of the military-industrial complex of the West and cunning China behind our backs. If we don't end the war earlier, we won't survive. What do we do? Well, except for a nuclear strike, but this is the end of everything.
          Ps. And yes, it won't work. If the West has sentenced us, he will climb until he dies.
          1. movechin Offline movechin
            movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 11: 27
            -2
            Comrade, yes, you seem to be in a panic .. 16 million evil veterans of the Americans! It was smooth on paper and forgot about the ravines. Where did they manage to score, with whom did they fight? When, which of them is ready to die now? What would it turn into a disfigured corpse? And of course they have a lot of experience. When did they fight for the last time? there will be a total mobilization of not only men, but women, 50 for 60 million, you can get up to 25 million, if there is a desire. Example.
            1. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
              Rico1977 (Alexander) 24 February 2023 13: 39
              +2
              I'm not hysterical at all, I made a deal. And here you are hysterical. Moreover, I did not ask you. But since you answered. That. This works both ways. And total mobilization and missiles. West - a billion people, three countries with nuclear missiles. Resources are sold to them, even we. And China. And if such a booze goes on, then only memories will remain of our industry too. And 16 million veterans are official statistics. So even more, do not consider all sorts of PMCs. I understand that we have no choice, as in 41, but I'm trying to figure out what to do in such a situation.
          2. movechin Offline movechin
            movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 11: 47
            -1
            16 million. There is a war going on for a year. And the United States cannot pinch off at least a small piece from this horde. Ready to deliver everything. Wants to win like that, but is it a pity to send at least 1-2 million to her? Or maybe they just don’t exist? I just can’t remember when in such quantities the United States fought Where? In the Syrian Arab Republic in IRAQ?) Maybe they fought in World War 2 in the coral sea or on Iwo Jima? Or Vietnam? (how old are they?) well, even then it’s too much. century. Is this IRAQ 20 companies, well, Syria Libya? There, but they mostly bombed. Probably for the entire 21th century and the beginning of the 2st. Then I’m afraid to imagine what kind of veterans there are and how old they are in retirement. have long been afraid of big losses, what has changed? By the way, these sheep would be better off thinking how to deal with their parties ... While they all look and look out how to bite Russia even more. with chemicals...
          3. Nelton Offline Nelton
            Nelton (Oleg) 25 February 2023 23: 21
            +1
            Quote: Rico1977
            Huge money was poured into the military-industrial complex in the West. New workshops and factories are being built. 1-3 years and they will start mass production of weapons. And the industrial potential of Russia and the entire West, plus Japan and Korea, is incomparable. This means that sooner or later even our most reinforced concrete defense will be broken through. Filled with meat and missiles.

            Meat from EU / US citizens will definitely not be filled up.
            At the expense of "they will smash with missiles" and in general a total war - I strongly doubt it.

            I have long been of the opinion that the West will supply so many weapons so that the front does not collapse, but nothing more.
            Maybe they will produce something, place it in Poland, Romania, but until the Russian Federation starts borrowing a regional center a week, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not receive these funds.
            In any case, rockets are an expensive pleasure, crumbling concrete.
            So with t.z. economic potentials, it is more profitable to exchange their rocket for our concrete than vice versa.
            1. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
              Rico1977 (Alexander) 26 February 2023 01: 58
              -1
              In this case, the front will collapse at the dill. Due to the exhaustion of human resources and technology. In general, even if the West hands over everything it promised at once, only this will be able to stabilize the front. And when the front collapses, then the West will have a question - let Russia win or fight on their own. And I think they will choose the latter. Especially when it becomes absolutely clear that the ruin is losing. This will be the most dangerous moment. And not immediately, but there will most likely be a war with NATO. Rockets I figuratively, this is art too. By the way, they are very significantly increasing the production of artillery and jet systems. And from our side and from their side it turned out to be the most effective weapon ... However, as always. They are not very good with tanks, but they will also try to produce more of them. And they will spare no money. They understand that if they lose, both the dollar and the euro will become candy wrappers.
    4. go to Offline go to
      go to (ira) 24 February 2023 17: 55
      +1
      100% exactly how unfortunate. Our economy is weak. we've been beaten up like that.
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  8. Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) 21 February 2023 13: 03
    +1
    Wang Yi's proposal to conclude a truce looks unnatural, because as long as the conflict continues, China will not be able to provoke an attack on Taiwan. China is EXTREMELY interested in continuing the conflict. Bluffing.
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 21 February 2023 19: 36
      +7
      Bluffing.

      No, he's not bluffing. Any statement by a politician of this rank in China is consistent with the general line of the CCP and its Politburo.
      This is not Peskov's "purgomet" ...
  9. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 21 February 2023 17: 07
    +13
    Beijing behaves according to the principle "both yours and ours." In any case, whether the Russian Federation wins or loses, Beijing wins, which is why Beijing behaves like this. Beijing needs Moscow as a supplier of cheap resources and a sales market, and a safe border in the north - that's all. With the defeat and collapse of the Russian Federation, the territory of the Far East and part of Siberia, China will take it for itself. Waiting and hoping for help from China is naivete, bordering on a crime against the people of Russia. China is a neighbor that can stab in the back at any moment. This must always be remembered.
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 21 February 2023 19: 51
      0
      China is a neighbor that can stab in the back at any moment. This must always be remembered.

      Some of our media think otherwise:

      Wang Yi: Sino-Russian relations are as solid as a rock

      Wang Yi, head of the office of the Foreign Affairs Commission of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, at a meeting with Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev, said that Sino-Russian relations are solid as a rock.

      https://russian.rt.com/world/news/1114395-van-i-otnosheniya-rossiya-kitai
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 21 February 2023 20: 19
        +1
        (Victor) Take a deeper look, the main showdowns are ahead: the USA-PRC, so they are preparing for them. The United States is putting pressure on the Russian Federation and taking China's ally out of the game. So far, the PRC does not get into battle and is preparing, diplomatically calling for negotiations and a TERMINATION in the supply of weapons to Ukraine. Diplomacy, deep and diverse action. The PRC will not betray the strategic shoulder - the Russian Federation. And nonsense about territorial claims to the Russian Federation, ahead of the battle for Taiwan, and then coalitions of countries will clash foreheads, not to trifles.
        1. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
          Rico1977 (Alexander) 23 February 2023 20: 18
          +2
          Now the main enemy of the West is Russia, not China. . there is a fight for the remaining resources. And only Russia has them in normal quantities. Whoever gets them will win the global race. If Russia itself does not decide to win.
      2. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
        Rico1977 (Alexander) 23 February 2023 20: 15
        0
        They have such a job
      3. movechin Offline movechin
        movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 11: 57
        +2
        China in a nightmare will only see that Russia has fallen. It’s all sushi crackers. Belarus and Kazakhstan), Belarus and Russia, and even Kazakhstan, they will become simply raw material monopolists at the planetary level. They won’t even have to wet China, he will give up himself, having understood the whole situation when they are on both sides with one NATO on the other AUKUS and start stupidly throwing it biological poop, for example, (laboratories will work 24/7) and all the Chinese will arrange a blockade. The Chinese will devour each other. If they don’t take a break from a new strain of coronovirus, they are unlikely to hit them with nuclear missiles, despite the fact that they will capture the entire arsenal of Russian nuclear warheads (about this there will be a lot), unless, of course, the Chinese humbly accept death. And they don’t wander around a lot with their population. They can set India on fire, they just “love” each other. on their knees and kiss their hands. So that they would be kept as slaves at least. Next will be genocide and the cleansing of everyone who does not consider the water in which the Americans washed their feet delicious. There will be no one to stop the brutalized from the already absolute permissiveness and impunity. So it would be better support Russia..
    2. Dust Offline Dust
      Dust (Sergei) 22 February 2023 05: 51
      0
      China is a neighbor that can stab in the back at any moment. This must always be remembered.

      That you are talking complete nonsense. Are you writing from Ukraine? China, unlike Russia, is a much more peaceful state. No wonder they have a parable "to wait for the corpse of their enemy on the river bank." History shows that during its existence, China almost never fought with foreign states. In this situation, China needs Russia like air. There will be no Russia, there will be no China. Deal with Russia, China will be next. This is an axiom.
      1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
        vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 22 February 2023 15: 34
        +2
        You be careful with expressions and do not reach insults, if you oppose something, then use historiography and links to primary sources. There was no big war between China and Russia, apart from skirmishes, due to the weakness of China and its remoteness from the center of Russia, but that was before. At present, China has already benefited from the Russian war in Ukraine. Now China is the second largest superpower in the world. China has problems with territory, with fossil resources, with a food base, with overpopulation, etc., and it needs to solve them. How? Now China is developing Africa, it is not known there. The countries of Southeast Asia know what China is, so they are being careful with China. This is another topic, not for discussion here.
      2. movechin Offline movechin
        movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 12: 19
        0
        Yes, the only problem is that the spreader has not grown enough for them to defeat Russia in a modern war. With a lot of resources and in vast expanses stuffed with mountains and hundreds of rivers. They will unwind their NATO along the roads of war. Yes, so for hundreds of years it will be a pain to give in generations. .They only have a chance for the 5th column. But it's too late
    3. go to Offline go to
      go to (ira) 24 February 2023 17: 56
      0
      The Chinese are the smartest. Who was there knows. They want to eat fish and somewhere to sit down.
  10. For the Russian army 21 February 2023 19: 00
    -1
    Again, a mournful article ...... Everyone should mind their own business, then everything will be fine.
  11. George V Im Offline George V Im
    George V Im (George V Im) 21 February 2023 19: 43
    +8
    Because both China and the United States clearly see that the political leadership of Russia is not only corrupt, irresponsible, incapable .. Our rulers are deceitful, cynical hypocrites .. Today, the speech of our leader showed the whole world the weakness of the Russian authorities, the Russian nation .. It was a shame on the air .. A weak-willed, cowardly, hypocritical speech ... About NOTHING .. He poured water again, back and forth .. After talking for an hour, he said nothing .. General phrases, no specifics .. Some kind of tax deductions for large families .. Ridiculous .. A large-scale task has been announced - the minimum wage is as much as 19 thousand ... people go for a walk, do not deny yourself anything !!!
    Disgrace!!!! Even about the START, he shyly, modestly peeped: "suspends" .. There is a war going on in the country, people are dying, every day the cruelest Donetsk is hammering everything and hammering the Nazis, and he pours about changing the name of the education system .. Nonsense, frank .. The people expected him actions, deeds - as a maximum, declare a war on them, at least break diplomatic relations and evacuate Russian citizens from the USA, England, Germany .. What they saw - Russian liver sausage .. What a shame, what a shame ... And this is the ruler of the greatest country in the world ...
    1. Constantine N Offline Constantine N
      Constantine N (Constantin N) 21 February 2023 20: 15
      0
      if you start a war in full, you won’t be able to write comments, because NATO missiles will smash everything.
    2. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 22 February 2023 08: 53
      -4
      A minimum wage of 19000 rubles is 260 US dollars in translation ... and the Russians will live in clover at the benefactor's will, now without denying themselves anything ... yes lol
      1. Odessa Greek Offline Odessa Greek
        Odessa Greek (Greek) 22 February 2023 10: 38
        +2
        With pleasure I looked at the history of your bile stinking comments. Are you at work here?))) What are you working for? For 30 hryvnias, or (Oh lucky man) for 30 euros?
      2. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
        Rico1977 (Alexander) 23 February 2023 20: 20
        0
        The minimum wage is an administrative unit of measure, not an economic one.
    3. movechin Offline movechin
      movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 12: 27
      0
      I would agree with you. Well, you just spat. Putin is surrounded, that there is a step to the left, a step to the right, you can fly down, and 140-150 million people are responsible for him. He can "beep" anything. It is important what will be done. Here Putin did not pick anything, and then bang and partial mobilization. He is cunning, he never does what is expected of him. Let's see what happens next. The USA is doomed anyway, for objective reasons.
    4. Pavel Darts Offline Pavel Darts
      Pavel Darts (Pavel Darts) 24 February 2023 13: 16
      0
      Did this training manual fit such a CIPSO?
    5. go to Offline go to
      go to (ira) 24 February 2023 17: 57
      +1
      20 years of the same pouring.
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  13. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 21 February 2023 20: 07
    +2
    That is, there is a clear and deliberate escalation of the conflict with Russia

    But it was to be expected!

    An optimist will say that Beijing has decided to position itself in the international arena as an active peacemaker in defiance of the United States and the NATO bloc with all their accomplices, while it will continue to tacitly support Russia. A pessimist can assume that now China will push the Kremlin towards Minsk-3

    If the latter option is implemented, the situation for us may approach a stalemate...
  14. Art Pilot Offline Art Pilot
    Art Pilot (pilot) 21 February 2023 20: 17
    +2
    How did the author, in his routine calls for peace, see from the Chinese the idea of ​​Russia's defeat? China was supposed to call on the parties to war to a victorious end?
    1. movechin Offline movechin
      movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 12: 30
      +1
      China has been calling for peace for a whole year now, only changing words. This is his job, he said.
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  16. VID 2 Offline VID 2
    VID 2 21 February 2023 21: 37
    -3
    I count and read umeb: * pledged to deliver about 700 taekr, most of Leporlyu1 The Netherlands and Denmark do not intend to give Leopaparly yuyuyu2
    We have a load of 1500 t
    Of these, T-90m, about 110, T-72b3, sumodi Fikatsi2016, probably 420 vehicles, T-14, possibly 5, my son saw there Roughly speaking: 530 & 540 of the latest tanks, the rest of the T88 are modernized.
    If you have not forgotten how to count, do we have an advantage?
    1. movechin Offline movechin
      movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 12: 40
      0
      We have a lot of canned food. About 22 thousand. But it’s true there is also a T-55. But if you upgrade, put on all kinds of armor, put sights, etc. it’s not the same as re-producing everything. But to the heap. There is a tank. It’s another matter that tanks are coffins on caterpillars. They can’t be hit now except with small arms, everything else rapes tanks to varying degrees. who will be honored with such an honor? Dill, go or Psheki? Well, they won’t have NATO fillings .. the tanks will be baked when they are defeated.
      1. go to Offline go to
        go to (ira) 24 February 2023 17: 58
        0
        where do you get the electronics?
  17. Andrey M Offline Andrey M
    Andrey M (Andrey M) 21 February 2023 22: 50
    +2
    Quote from Nelton.
    Concreting of defense and evacuation of civilians from the frontline zone is much less expensive.

    Where to evacuate? While 70 km from the border? So they will give missiles for 150-300 km and ....?
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 21 February 2023 23: 01
      0
      At least from the area affected by conventional projectiles.
      Missiles at 150-300 km are already quite expensive, and they can already be shot down with cheaper anti-missiles.
      Well, control over such missiles is much stricter than over mortars.
    2. movechin Offline movechin
      movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 12: 49
      +1
      Yes, they will give nuclear ones. Why not? We have already shown that we are ready to loudly resent and indignant and warn about the consequences. Otherwise, Poland would already be on fire with its sewer Hub, which passes all the "faeces" from Europe and the USA to Ukraine. Which we are already grinding only on the battlefield, chasing every poop, which is like the Mongols of Genghis Khan. Hit and run .. But at the same time, we ourselves are persecuted. Well, we can’t hit the rear hard, the officials have business there. this fuel is sacred ...
  18. jekasimf Offline jekasimf
    jekasimf (jekasimf) 21 February 2023 23: 45
    +2
    China is quietly draining US bonds, so that they do not collapse in price. The US national debt is already 31 dohreneon. And they borrow, already from themselves. companies, in dollars, i.e. on hand just enough to repay the debt without losing the company, for debts. Then Taiwan will become communist.
  19. Pilot Offline Pilot
    Pilot (Pilot) 22 February 2023 00: 04
    +1
    Previously, they were afraid of us, but now ....... Thanks to our friends and to him. So, China really benefits from the defeat of Russia. But whales .. they are historical ochkonauts and have never won a single war. But there are many, yes. In their military doctrine, losses are not taken into account at all. We don't have enough ammo for them. So only nuclear. Maybe at least they don’t hang noodles on our ears about nuclear.
    1. movechin Offline movechin
      movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 13: 20
      0
      Enough cartridges) If there is not enough, they can produce up to 10 billion. But where does it come from. How is it beneficial for China? The fact that he will really be left alone against the whole world? Without Russia's resources? Or do you think that the United States will agree with Chinese hegemony? Or China or West. Who was afraid? In 1941 they were afraid of us? And after 1945? The fact is that they are not afraid of us because Russia is mainly controlled by enemies, these are governors. Gauleiters and so on. But now there is a historical chance to change this. It is in times of crisis everything changes. Otherwise, they would have died slowly rotting. What is the point of fighting with a container that will 100% destroy everything in the world if it starts to lose. some promised that they would not allow Putin to use nuclear weapons. They will counteract this figuratively. So they are not afraid. Ross and the rest are finished, they should be thrown down by everyone and Putin + the People + the Elite who has seen the light .. They will remove the shit from power, the war will fall like in March. last names and more
  20. In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 22 February 2023 00: 42
    0
    What did you expect China to sing in unison? Our NWO is far and convenient for them (good prices), and Taiwan is closer to their hearts. But it is necessary to say, to declare oneself a peacemaker, and the states a warmonger, for their future NWO. Regarding our NMD, yes, it will take a long time, but now it will be possible to bombard us by rail and other "inviolable" targets. Well, where to hurry? The states contain a social program, all fifty of the army are independent (ha ha), they themselves have terrible inflation, and the money goes into a black hole. Why grab Russia at once the entire territory of the 404th? Feed them all later. No, hurry up slowly. But it will be necessary to deal with these deliveries of them even before the LBS, ours must be protected. In the meantime, strengthen the economy, diversify everything that is possible, block everything that is possible, let Europe do without us, yes, not right now, but tomorrow. The road will be mastered by the walking one.
    1. movechin Offline movechin
      movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 13: 34
      -2
      It is almost impossible to defeat Russia. Firstly, we have more resources than in all of NATO. And there will definitely be more variety for the war, and there will still be. Secondly, our people have gone through many wars, many trials, from hunger to genocide, to the attack of all of Europe 2 times. And always, with God's help, he won one way or another. The pain threshold is very high. Outrageous in some cases. Yes, and we have a choice to lie down and die or win. In such a situation, is NATO ready for such sacrifices? They are even in the D-Day Company and then they had handkerchiefs with a map of drawn whiskey, everything was still fine, they didn’t take anything with them for a pedicure. and argues ... And where are they like hunting?
      1. go to Offline go to
        go to (ira) 24 February 2023 18: 03
        0
        not to be confused 41 with 2021
  21. Otto Davar Offline Otto Davar
    Otto Davar (Otto Davar) 22 February 2023 01: 01
    +2
    Apparently, the leadership of the Russian Federation likes Kutuzov's plan.
  22. Omas Bioladen Offline Omas Bioladen
    Omas Bioladen 22 February 2023 01: 22
    -1
    China will send peace balloons.
  23. Siegfried Online Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 22 February 2023 01: 22
    0
    China cannot offer to surrender because itself is part of the anti-Western bloc. The defeat of Russia for China will have catastrophic consequences. China will simply lose the ability to resist the West, will be forced to submit, and eventually there will be a regime change.

    Weakening China is the primary goal of the US and whatever China does, the US will try to achieve its goals. Russia is existentially important for China, it is a support in the form of resources, in the form of a transport route, Russia is leading a world revolution against the hegemony of the United States and the West. Without Russia, China will not be able to secure its interests. Will be forced to submit to the interests of the United States, and these interests require the weakening of China.

    By pushing the peace initiative, China is putting pressure on the West to negotiate. Also, China is giving a voice on the world stage, which has not been observed before. This could be an important start to a more active role for China in world politics.
    1. movechin Offline movechin
      movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 13: 37
      0
      Regime change? For what?
  24. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 22 February 2023 01: 57
    -4
    After reading the title, I thought - Only one author could write this - Marzhetsky, and I was not mistaken. I wanted not to read this defeatist-predictor of the situation at all in my utopian view. But no mastered. Everything is as usual - Russia is doomed. Nonsense is shorter. The author has no idea about the capabilities of Russia and in terms of armament and economics and finance, he has no idea who the Russian people and our president are. In short - only the grave will fix the hunchback. And yet, this is already stuffed askomina -WE! Who is WE wondering?
    1. Art Pilot Offline Art Pilot
      Art Pilot (pilot) 22 February 2023 09: 57
      -2
      Chinese Foreign Minister said that relations between Russia and China are stronger than ever. That is, the author brought his fantasies into the heading of the "article".
    2. movechin Offline movechin
      movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 13: 40
      0
      He understands everything. One of the ways to defeat the Russians. Make them think (deceive) that they will lose, they won’t succeed. I don’t remember who said.
  25. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 22 February 2023 02: 06
    +2
    How, in general, is it clear that China needs our defeat?
    First, no one saw China's proposals.
    Secondly, it is useful for China to promote itself as a peacemaker when the US is clearly pushing 404 to continue the war.
    The very fact that Wang Yi is negotiating not with Lavrov, but with Patrushev, suggests that he did not come as a diplomat. Patrushev's background is not the same.
    And only Xi can put pressure on Putin. But he won't push. Not those relationships.
    China now needs a strong Russia. The weaker Russia is, the greater the pressure on China. Times are tough for China.
    The demographics are such that the social sphere will weaken in the near future. And there is nothing to motivate Xi with, he did not take Taiwan. Hence the protests that have already begun.
    1. Alex Smirnov Offline Alex Smirnov
      Alex Smirnov 22 February 2023 14: 32
      +3
      China will try to take advantage of any outcome.
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  28. Sergei N Offline Sergei N
    Sergei N (Sergey N) 22 February 2023 13: 19
    +1
    What kind of truce can we talk about ?!

    The war is fought to victory, period.

    Carl von Clausewitz

    You can no longer trust the so-called "contracts" like "Minsk".
  29. Alex Smirnov Offline Alex Smirnov
    Alex Smirnov 22 February 2023 14: 29
    +2
    Quote: In passing
    What did you expect China to sing in unison? Our NWO is far and convenient for them (good prices), and Taiwan is closer to their hearts. But it is necessary to say, to declare oneself a peacemaker, and the states a warmonger, for their future NWO. Regarding our NMD, yes, it will take a long time, but now it will be possible to bombard us by rail and other "inviolable" targets. Well, where to hurry? The states contain a social program, all fifty of the army are independent (ha ha), they themselves have terrible inflation, and the money goes into a black hole. Why grab Russia at once the entire territory of the 404th? Feed them all later. No, hurry up slowly. But it will be necessary to deal with these deliveries of them even before the LBS, ours must be protected. In the meantime, strengthen the economy, diversify everything that is possible, block everything that is possible, let Europe do without us, yes, not right now, but tomorrow. The road will be mastered by the walking one.

    Where to hurry? We must hurry, because our people are dying every day! Because every month more and more lethal equipment from the West is growing, which will kill our fighters. Because the enemy is constantly inventing new ways to kill our people: chem. weapons, phosphorus bombs, "petal" mines, attacks on infrastructure, terrorist attacks, strikes on our rear cities and military bases, on nuclear power plants, and in the future, it is possible to manufacture a dirty nuclear bomb. It has long been known that the faster the war, the lower the losses. Take 08.08.08, i.e. forcing Georgia to peace. The West did not have time to sneeze, as it all ended. And if there was "We are not in a hurry anywhere," then weapons and mercenaries would be supplied to them immeasurably, and our losses would be much greater. Perhaps then, the picture would have been similar to the current one ...
    1. Khentiamenti Offline Khentiamenti
      Khentiamenti (Hentiamenti) 22 February 2023 18: 59
      0
      All right! We are ruining the guys, we are talking about the Brotherly Ukrainian people! That's bullshit! Only the lazy did not indicate the goal - south and west! The devil needed Kyiv?! Here we are reaping the fruits of the year
  30. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 22 February 2023 15: 08
    +2
    The Chinese in Munich almost licked US shoes. But in return they got a kick in the ass. They are never allies. They are always abstaining. All they need from us is a profitable supply of raw materials. Therefore, our defeat more than suits them. It will be possible to download almost everything for free. Only the tough position of the West towards them, and even an internal crisis of enormous proportions, can turn them a little bit towards us. And all these joint exercises are decorations for the West.
    1. go to Offline go to
      go to (ira) 24 February 2023 18: 05
      +1
      exactly. They will fall under the United States, but only with US debts-))) and will rob us for pennies.
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  32. Materialist Offline Materialist
    Materialist (Michael) 22 February 2023 20: 52
    0
    Recall that the activation of Beijing was preceded by the threat of a "fundamental revision of relations" between the United States and China from Washington...

    preceded by another. China was surprised that Russia did not roll out Ukraine in two weeks. The West was also surprised and took this as a window of opportunity. a year has passed and we are cutting ammunition for the Wagner, we did not respond to the northern stream, we withdrew troops from a number of territories. in short, the rear of China turned out to be lousy. apparently this played a role in the history of Taiwan. we are losing the status of a superpower and the consequences are already visible in Kazakhstan and other republics
    1. go to Offline go to
      go to (ira) 23 February 2023 01: 10
      +1
      we do business there and a lot. Therefore, no one will bomb anything. Learn materiel.
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  34. go to Offline go to
    go to (ira) 23 February 2023 01: 09
    0
    well, the scoop was destroyed and it was cool.
  35. Pro100 Offline Pro100
    Pro100 (Vladimir Babaev) 23 February 2023 03: 10
    +2
    China, in the event of the defeat of Russia, will once again prove for itself what happens to those who abandon the Marxist-Leninist theory. The CCP will only strengthen its position.
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  37. Vitaly 56RUS Offline Vitaly 56RUS
    Vitaly 56RUS (Vitaly 56RUS) 23 February 2023 19: 36
    0
    Maybe enough babysitting already. Use any of our available means. Everything adequate has long been dumped from Ukraine
  38. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 23 February 2023 19: 56
    +2
    If Russia really has clear prospects of getting bogged down in the Ukrainian conflict to the point of complete depletion of resources with hundreds of thousands, and maybe millions of dead, then the only way to radically change the situation is a massive strike with tactical nuclear weapons on the Zapadenschina, through which all the supply of weapons, ammunition, equipment goes , fuel and mercenaries ....
    The Black Sea Fleet must mine the Odessa port and completely stop all possible deliveries through the Black Sea.
    Having destroyed this hotbed of fascism, Russia, on the one hand, will not attack a NATO member country, but on the other hand, in one fell swoop, it will "cut off" all ties between the Ukrofascists and NATO and draw a real "red line" between NATO and Russia.
    All neighbors of Ukraine should receive an official clear signal that for trying to supply weapons to the territory of Ukraine, training and arming terrorist combat units, they will become accomplices of fascism for Russia and legitimate targets for our armed forces.
    After that, Russia will only have to complete the initiated process of denazification of the remnants of the Ukrofascists along the Khmelnitsky-Rivne-Lutsk line.
    Russia has less and less time to make this important decision.
    1. movechin Offline movechin
      movechin (Mikhail Ovechin) 24 February 2023 13: 48
      +1
      Imagine that in order to paralyze the industry not only in Ukraine and Poland, but throughout Europe, you need to throw a bunch of 5-7 thousand cruise missiles of the Iskander type or caliber. Nuclear weapons are already the edge .. when we will know for sure either we press the button, or we're all over.
  39. Kazimir Prutikoff (Kazimir Prutikoff) 24 February 2023 10: 06
    +1
    Politics is a delicate thing. Do not believe everything that the official representatives of the countries say in public. From a geopolitical point of view, China will not benefit from the defeat of Russia in this war. In fact, it is very important for China that Russia wins. Then the aura of the hegemon will fade in the USA and fermentation will begin among their vassals. There will be real prerequisites for the collapse of the military-political alliances that Washington is actively forming in the Indo-Pacific region. Moreover, if Russia demonstrates the effectiveness of its tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine, Washington will think a hundred times before going to war with China. Indeed, with the help of Poseidon underwater drones, all their naval bases on the islands in the Pacific Ocean can be washed away by a wave.
  40. vvnab Offline vvnab
    vvnab (Vitali) 25 February 2023 12: 39
    0
    Yes, it doesn't matter at all. The main showdown in the current world war will be between the US and China, one way or another. And the winner will be the one who enters the war later than everyone else.
  41. Opozdavshiy Offline Opozdavshiy
    Opozdavshiy (Sergei) 26 February 2023 12: 15
    +1
    Some strange dreams of the author. Some kind of anaconda loop. Industry is booming in Russia. At what, most often not military - mechanical engineering, instrumentation, electronics, which are dear to me. The West is doing everything possible so that Russia finally begins to work in areas of high redistribution, especially since the United States will quickly strangle Germany. For which guys thank you from the bottom of my heart.
    Wages are going up, pensions are going up. They really are growing. Bulk work. Moreover, almost everywhere in industry and agriculture, not only in the defense industry ...
    As for China, the United States has done everything possible to ensure that the Russian Federation and the PRC are in the same team. And to survive and win, that is, to return to defend their sovereignty, countries can only work together.
    And we must finally understand our Western partners simple. Russia will use nuclear weapons, including tactical ones, ONLY OUTSIDE THE RUSSIAN WORLD! Vacuum munitions are quite enough to admonish crests and NATO members who have settled into the Russian world. At least no one will need to be treated ...
  42. Daniel K Offline Daniel K
    Daniel K (Daniil Koshevoy) 26 February 2023 20: 55
    0
    Quote from ira
    why are you crazy about what WMD ??

    Everyone is scared and it is not clear how to get out of this conflict. Therefore, they talk about more serious weapons - tactical nuclear weapons / nuclear weapons.
  43. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 27 February 2023 12: 18
    0
    The conclusion is drawn from the current situation over the year of hostilities: there are almost no successes, not a single competently conducted operation, not a single encirclement. only blows to the forehead with heavy losses.