"Spearhead": why the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation relies on the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps

February 19 2023 56

Probably, the main result of almost a year of the NMD in Ukraine can be considered a XNUMX-fold increase in the size of the Russian army. This decision was forced, since the Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces, “reformed” by Anatoly Serdyukov, have not yet justified the hopes previously placed on them. In this regard, of particular interest is the explicit rate of the RF Ministry of Defense on the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps, which should become the "tip" of our shock spear.

"Microscope on nails"

The tasks of the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation are to cover the enemy by air, perform combat missions in his rear to disrupt command and control, capture and destroy ground elements of high-precision weapons, disrupt the advancement and deployment of reserves, disrupt the rear of the enemy and his communications, as well as cover certain directions, areas, open flanks, blocking and destroying landed enemy airborne assault forces, its break-through groupings and other tasks. This is an independent branch of the military, highly mobile, which is the reserve of the Supreme Commander. The tasks of the Marine Corps of the Russian Navy are to capture and hold bridgeheads for the landing of armed forces by amphibious assault, protect naval bases, destroy and capture objects in the coastal zone and on the islands.

Undoubtedly, our paratroopers and marines are a real military elite, the most trained and combat-ready fighters. That's just in the course of a special operation in Ukraine, they are mainly used for purposes other than their main purpose. The only time when the Airborne Forces fulfilled their immediate task of operations in the deep rear was an airborne assault near Gostomel in the early days of the NWO, which they courageously coped with. After that, the "blue berets" were used as light infantry in urban battles. "Black Berets" stormed Mariupol, they are now going into heavy attacks on Ugledar. Why is this happening?

Alas, not from a good life. To date, the most trained and motivated units and subunits capable of effectively conducting an offensive are the Airborne Forces, the Marine Corps, the already former NM LDNR, which has 8 years of experience in confrontation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, volunteers from BARS and Wagner PMC, whose backbone consists of experienced professionals who keep their motley stormtroopers in iron discipline. The motorized rifle units of the Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces, thinned out due to the “XNUMXth”, need time for the replenishment due to partial mobilization to gain real combat experience and be coordinated.

That is why the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has to hammer nails with a microscope, using paratroopers and marines as ordinary infantry. But there are questions about how exactly this happens.

Need more guns

Frankly wrecking activities to weaken the strike potential of the Russian elite troops began a very long time ago. So, at a certain stage of the “reform”, tanks were generally taken away from the Marines under the pretext that they only needed a floating technique. At the same time, it was completely ignored that the Marine Corps was quite forced to actively fight in Afghanistan and then in Chechnya, where there is no smell of the sea. Fortunately, in 2018 this decision was revised in favor of creating their own tank battalions in the Marine Corps brigades, and the "southerners" received T-72B3 tanks, and the "northerners" - gas turbine T-80BV.

Inherited from the "reformers" and the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation. In 1997, the number of "winged infantry" was reduced from 64 to 47 thousand people due to the disbandment and reorganization of several air assault units and formations. Subsequently, all available army aviation of the Ground Forces was taken away from the paratroopers, transferring it under the command of the Air Force. The loss without a fight of more than 20 helicopter regiments, 10 helicopter storage bases and the Syzran Helicopter School drastically reduced the mobility of the Russian Airborne Forces. Subsequently, they tried to win back this decision. After the mixed results of the 2008 war with Georgia, the then commander of the Airborne Forces, Colonel General Vladimir Shamanov, tried to lobby for the return of army aviation to increase the mobility and effectiveness of the paratroopers:

I would like to have all types of helicopters. To increase the combat capabilities of the troops, we need the Mi-28N "Night Hunter" and the Ka-52 "Alligator". Mi-8 helicopters for landing tactical landings at a shallow depth. For the transportation of large units to remote areas, large Mi-26s.

According to his idea, one helicopter regiment was supposed to appear as part of the Novorossiysk and Pskov airborne assault divisions, as well as in the Ulyanovsk Air Force, but the Air Force command did not want to give back army aviation to the subordination of the Airborne Forces. Only in 2021, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to create airborne units as part of the Airborne Forces.

Indeed, Russia has a lot of paratroopers who can parachute, but military transport aircraft capable of performing such a combat mission are not enough for everyone. Transferring the Airborne Forces to rotary-winged vehicles significantly increases their mobility, allowing them to parachute or helicopter in any terrain. The experience of the NMD in Ukraine has shown that dropping from an aircraft in Ukraine is a suicidal event, but a helicopter landing, with appropriate training, has a good chance of success.

It is likely that the crossing of the Dnieper, if such an order is given at all, will begin with the capture of a bridgehead on the right bank of the river by airborne forces, which will fly there by helicopters under the cover of aviation, unmanned and manned, after which pontoon crossings will be built and equipment and personnel of the Ground Forces will be transferred RF Armed Forces. That is, this will be the main task for the Russian paratroopers in the course of the SVO in their main profile.

The second task that the Airborne Forces will objectively have to perform on a par with the marines and motorized rifles is assault operations at the forefront. And this is where they have a big problem.

The fact is that the "winged infantry" is not armed appropriately for fierce urban battles. All their equipment is structurally sharpened for airlift and does not have reliable armor. Lightly armored armored personnel carriers and BMDs, designed for the Airborne Forces, protect only against light small arms, but even a 7,62x54 mm PKM machine gun with an armor-piercing cartridge at close range in urban combat confidently pierces their armor. What can we say about fragments of large-caliber artillery shells or specialized anti-tank systems? This explains the unjustified losses among the Russian paratroopers.

No less unpleasant is the fact that the strike weapons of the Airborne Forces are noticeably inferior to conventional Ground Forces. Motorized rifle units and formations use self-propelled howitzers of 122 mm or 152 mm caliber, and "winged infantry" use Nona 120 mm self-propelled guns with relatively weak armor or D-30 towed howitzers. Motorized riflemen have 120 mm mortars, paratroopers - 82 mm mortars. The ground forces are covered by Pantsirs, Buks, Tors and S-300s, and the Airborne Forces have a weak air defense system, represented by ZSU 23-2 and MANPADS. It is simply amazing that our most combat-ready troops are equipped with lighter weapons than they could.

Note that the movement towards the "weighting" of the Airborne Forces has already begun some time ago. In the same 2018, when the Marine Corps was reinforced with tanks, the Russian Ministry of Defense decided to create a tank battalion in two air assault divisions - the 7th Novorossiysk and the 76th Pskov divisions, and to form tank companies in the air assault brigades. In 2019, the "winged infantry" received 30 upgraded T-72B3 tanks. The step, of course, is correct, only this is a drop in the ocean.

The experience of a special operation in Ukraine requires the transfer of airborne assault units of the Airborne Forces to heavier weapons that the Ground Forces have. Taking into account the high level of training and the decision of the RF Ministry of Defense to form an additional two new air assault divisions, as well as to turn five marine brigades into full-fledged divisions, this will allow Russia to obtain a highly effective percussion tool with which it will be possible to carry out offensive operations at a strategic depth - breakthroughs, encirclement and forcing large water barriers.

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VAHOKA

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19 February 2023 14: 10

Without command of the sea, using the marines is suicide
Odessa naval assault awaits the fate of the Gostomel landing
And the Airborne Forces showed themselves in all their glory in Gostomel
1. Sergey_12
  
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  20 February 2023 05: 48
  
  Don't carry any nonsense. What was wrong in Gostomel? There, all the tasks assigned to the Airborne Forces were completed, or do you think they should have captured Kyiv with a small number of people? It's the same with amphibious operations, what they require to be done, they all do very well. And yes, and who hit you in the head so much that you don’t see the dominance of the Russian Navy in the Black Sea? Or do you understand it only as filling the seas with solid aircraft carriers? Do not profane what you do not know or do not understand, although this may be intentional
Michael 68

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19 February 2023 14: 20

You can write a lot. About anything. But practice has shown that everything is on the drum for our MO. For him, the main thing is his hardware games. Our generals are only interested in how much they earn. Everything else does not interest them. The war has been going on for a year now. And they are only interested in parades and appearance. Fighting, victory in the war, loss of personnel. It's not for them. Until you take responsibility for your actions, nothing will change. They will continue to command from Moscow. Focusing on their knowledge gained in nightclubs.
1. Sergey_12
  
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  20 February 2023 05: 53
  
  Why, carrying provocative nonsense delivers a buzz? So you probably have a dependence on this, or was it ordered to be done in the service, to carry nonsense about the RF Armed Forces?
erased

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19 February 2023 15: 20

The author himself explained that the Airborne Forces and the MP have their own narrowly focused tasks, for which their equipment was created, states and structures were developed. So why the hell increase the number of light infantry? It is just necessary to increase conventional infantry, create divisions according to the state of the 80s model with 3-4 infantry regiments, a tank regiment or a battalion. Increase unmanned aircraft. And the Airborne Forces can be reduced to 2-3 divisions, because they have a very specific scope. And you really need to teach soldiers to fight, and not to go to parades and scrape the parade ground with crowbars.
Who to teach? Who will teach the cadets first? Professionals left schools, the level of training dipped. And all this can be seen in the examples of special feathers.
And it is possible to fight only with air and sea paratroopers in such a war if the task is set to lose.
1. Sergey_12
  
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  20 February 2023 05: 56
  
  What didn't you understand? Increase, while at the same time making the units themselves heavier with equipment. What would remain high mobility while increasing strike capabilities
2. Oleg V.
  
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  20 February 2023 11: 44
  
  It is just necessary to increase conventional infantry, create divisions according to the state of the 80s model with 3-4 infantry regiments, a tank regiment or a battalion
  
  How much time is needed for this?
  1. lord-palladore-11045
    
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    20 February 2023 15: 57
    
    As much as you need, no more and no less.
buscot

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19 February 2023 16: 06

Everyone remembers Serdyukov, But no one says how he reduced Shoigu's army ... And no one remembers how he got a general without an appropriate education, or maybe we don't know when and how he graduated from the General Academy of the Moscow Region?
1. Dingo
  
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  19 February 2023 20: 38
  
  Everyone remembers Serdyukov, But no one says how Shoigu reduced the army ...]
  
  How not to remember this "Stool"? The Rzhevsky, Yaroslavl, Gorky air defense corps (corps!!!) were disbanded. The South, North-Western and Central industrial districts were left without cover. A whole network of coverage collapsed at once, with its low-altitude companies, RTV centers, zones of responsibility of the ZRV - where they always shoot down and where even their fighters are forbidden to enter, and the daily FSC (control of the functioning of systems) was carried out on scheduled (route) aircraft (sight and take " from a shot", without searching in azimuth and height - this is "excellent" for calculation) - and the areas of responsibility of the IA ... And "farts" like "Shell" are not an equivalent replacement for the network ...
  Maybe that's why our aviation does not work at full strength because they cannot suppress the air defense system, and the landing, as the author noted, is "deadly" in the conditions of the NMD? Well, the "Svidomites" did not find their "Stool", which ruined the system with their "reforms"! ..
  And Shoigu ... What about Shoigu? .. What do you want from a foreman with a construction education? And, according to Alexander Rutskoy, with five deputies without a specialized military education? That's what I'm talking about...
  1. Linkovich Chumovsky
    
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    19 February 2023 21: 15
    
    Yes, boyars, boyars are to blame. All of them.
  2. Alexander Ponamarev
    
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    20 February 2023 08: 29
    
    That's right, but now this godfather (Serdyukov), heads the MIG and Sukhoi design bureaus, it’s scary to imagine what kind of firewood he’s already breaking there
    1. Dingo
      
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      20 February 2023 09: 11
      
      heads KB MIG and Sukhoi
      
      Seen in Sheremetyevo (there is a photo) in autumn. He dumped somewhere with his "convict-artist" Vasilyeva. Where - I do not know, it is not interesting. I hope not at all.
2. voznesensky
  
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  20 February 2023 00: 51
  
  In order to organize tours for the President in Altai and other regions of Russia, as well as arrange near-military biathlon entertainment, it is absolutely not necessary to have a "relevant education" and graduate from military academies ...
Vasya_33

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19 February 2023 17: 52

But what, isn’t it possible (or not available?) To make AK for "left-handers"?
1. Daniel K
  
  -1
  
  20 February 2023 03: 01
  
  All new models seem to be universal, presented as their plus
Vladimir Tuzakov

+5

19 February 2023 18: 42

Briefly. The article is based on the realities of the 20th CENTURY, today we have the first quarter of the 21st century, and already a year of experience in large-scale NWO. Due to the hopes for the explosives and the marines, only these troops are more or less trained, and the rest of the troops in the form of ceremonial biathlons and other ostentatious performances. Even when teaching for combat for the NVO, the well-known lieutenant colonel did not train qualitatively, and therefore there was a conflict with the mobilized. So what do you want earlier, there the priorities were set on plundering and personal gain, because we have the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and the same irresponsible Minister of Defense,.
1. Dingo
  
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  20 February 2023 09: 40
  
  Even when teaching for combat for the NVO, the well-known lieutenant colonel did not train qualitatively, which is why there was a conflict with the mobilized.
  
  ..After that unjust trial about the "beating" of this "non-colonel"
  The Commissioner for Human Rights Moskalkova drew attention to the level of training and equipment:
  
  Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation Tatyana Moskalkova appealed to the head of the General Staff, the commander of the Joint Group of Forces of Russia in the NVO zone, Valery Gerasimov, after the scandal with those mobilized from Tatarstan. She asked him to carefully check every complaint of the soldiers.
  
  https://prokazan.ru/news/view/ombudsmen-moskalkova-obratilas-k-komanduusemu-svo-gerasimovu-posle-skandala-s-mobilizovannymi-iz-tatarstana
Sergey Latyshev

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19 February 2023 21: 20

ha ha ha. Fuck the logic.
Hammering nails with a microscope "is supposedly" a bet on the airborne forces and marines "
Like, not incompetence, but genius.

The generals seem to say that the MP was surrounded and taken by Artemosk, and Prigozhin - Bakhmut is taken by us, and the MP was not even close ...
well, etc.
But there are a lot of articles around, how famously we crush the Ukrainians ... though, without mentioning the troops ...
Bakht

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20 February 2023 00: 05

Unclear.
If you equip the Airborne Forces with tanks and "heavier weapons that the Ground Forces have," then how to parachute them from helicopters? Are there helicopters that can transfer the T-72?
And if you bring the Airborne Forces to the level of ordinary motorized rifle units, then you need to go the other way.
I am not calling for the elimination of the Airborne Forces. But this is a specific type of aircraft, which is tailored for certain tasks. As General Margelov said, "a paratrooper is designed for 10 minutes of combat." Or another of his quotes "The Airborne Forces will be thrown into the mouth of the enemy with the task of tearing this mouth."
Rather, it is necessary to strengthen the training of motorized riflemen to the level of paratroopers (without parachuting).

This is by no means a humiliation of some and not a praise of others. Just to think
1. Alexbf109
  
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  20 February 2023 10: 40
  
  I am not calling for the elimination of the Airborne Forces ...
  
  And I urge you!
  This is an absolutely useless branch of the armed forces, with expensive and WEAK weapons, with absolutely unnecessary training (how parachute jumps, and the ability to effectively hit bottles with your head and boards with your hands turned out to be "needed" in modern warfare)))
  1. mister-red
    
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    20 February 2023 11: 15
    
    Quote: Alexbf109
    I am not calling for the elimination of the Airborne Forces ...
    
    And I urge you!
    This is an absolutely useless branch of the armed forces, with expensive and WEAK weapons, with absolutely unnecessary training (how parachute jumps, and the ability to effectively hit bottles with your head and boards with your hands turned out to be "needed" in modern warfare)))
    
    Once upon a time I served in the MP and I can tell you the following. It is impossible to prepare all ground forces to the level of the Airborne Forces and the MP. That is why they exist. These are actually more trained and motivated units. In addition, there are tasks that conventional motorized rifles cannot perform. Therefore, they should be even in greater numbers, but they should be well armed. When I served in our tank battalion, there were T-55s, but they should have been T-72s or T-80s. There is no difference for the BDK, but in combat the difference is significant.
    1. Alexbf109
      
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      20 February 2023 11: 23
      
      Tell me, for what such mythical tasks is it necessary to keep brigades and even airborne divisions? With this specific preparation and the same specific technique???
      Where will we massively parachute? And so that all these huge and slow landing aircraft would not be killed in the air, still on the way?
voznesensky

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20 February 2023 00: 33

The Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces, "reformed" by Anatoly Serdyukov, have not yet justified the hopes previously placed on them.

the motorized rifle units of the Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces, thinned due to the “five hundredth”, need time ...

And what about Serdyukov, appointed to the post of Minister of Defense, by the way, by none other than Putin? The same Serdyukov, before that, it would seem, completely discredited himself by the collapse of the tax service of the Russian Federation, but it is not clear why the elevated GDP to the highest post in the army. Of course, he did his dirty work in the army, but the military elite - the Airborne Forces and the Marines, remained effective military units, unlike the rest of the ground military mass. And here the point is no longer in Putin's appointee, but in the fact that under Yeltsin and Putin the country lost two generations of patriotically educated youth, from which the very "five hundred warriors" who fled in Ukraine in the summer / autumn of 22 years from The Armed Forces of Ukraine, surrendering, abandoning modern technology, being completely unmotivated and morally unprepared for war in the name of the Fatherland. It took the same Putin more than twenty years to finally realize the completely obvious and long overripe need to write a real textbook on the History of the Russian state for the school, banning the use of the numerous "historical" surrogate that our children were fed in schools. Putin has made great efforts and directed huge funds to bring the country out of the crisis, improve the social conditions of life of citizens, and restore the country's military power. How successful he was in all these cases, everyone is free to judge in their own way. But it was precisely the question of the patriotic education of young people that, until very recently, was not only not in the center of his attention, but also remained in complete (and I would say, criminal) oblivion. Despite the fact that just this issue was solved most easily and with the least, in comparison with everything else, financial costs and with the greatest, again in comparison with everything else, effect: have you forgotten? - "cadres decide everything" !!! We have really lost at least two generations of patriotically educated citizens, and today we are reaping the benefits, including on the fields of war...
PS: And after all, it was not necessary to have seven spans in the forehead (which the leader of the nation is supposed to have) to understand the super-importance of such a task - the patriotic education of children / youth! And all that was needed was to organize the work of writing a worthy Textbook of the History of the Russian State and print it in the required number of copies. This work, with proper control and the desire to do it, I am sure, could be completed in a year and a half. What insignificant funds it would require, one can not say.
1. Mordvin 3
  
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  20 February 2023 01: 47
  
  Quote from voznesensky
  And all that was needed was to organize the work of writing a worthy Textbook on the History of the Russian State and print it in the required number of copies,
  
  And what is there worthy for the last 32 years?
  1. voznesensky
    
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    20 February 2023 02: 22
    
    The history of the Russian state has over a thousand years (since 862). And it had a lot of things that we can be proud of. Much deserving! But in order to understand this, you need to know this history by reading not only a history textbook, but also many, many other books. In other words, you have to be an educated person.
    
    If the path is cut through with my father’s sword,
    You salty tears on the mustache wound,
    If in a hot fight I experienced how much, -
    So, you read the necessary books as a child!
    
    (Vysotsky)
Flight

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20 February 2023 01: 33

Experience shows that in WW1, in WW2, that you can’t do without assault units. I remember in the USSR, and at the end of the era, there were dshb (airborne assault battalions). Where did you go-xs.
Accordingly, the technologies are lost, the personnel too. And so, the generals are studying the notes, what is it to give birth to cheaply and cheerfully.
Muscool

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20 February 2023 08: 53

The Airborne Forces and 30% of their potential cannot be realized. How much resources and time was spent on the outdated concept of combat? Imagine how much time and material resources were spent on the development of specialized weapons for the Airborne Forces? On a military transport plane, you can now fly only one way. And you can’t take away armored vehicles by helicopter. And in assault operations, we need mraps, heavy infantry fighting vehicles and tanks, and not aluminum carriages with a machine gun.
And all because some generals stayed too long, look at what dinosaurs sat on Putin’s report, how can they prepare the armed forces for a modern conflict if they don’t even know how to use a smartphone?
Muscool

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20 February 2023 09: 02

Quote: Sergey_12
Don't carry any nonsense. What was wrong in Gostomel? There, all the tasks assigned to the Airborne Forces were completed, or do you think they should have captured Kyiv with a small number of people? It's the same with amphibious operations, what they require to be done, they all do very well. And yes, and who hit you in the head so much that you don’t see the dominance of the Russian Navy in the Black Sea? Or do you understand it only as filling the seas with solid aircraft carriers? Do not profane what you do not know or do not understand, although this may be intentional

In fact, airmobile troops operated in Gostomel, in helicopters.
The Airborne Forces are landing from military transport aviation.
What is the mastership of the Navy? Cruiser Moscow drowned this is called domination?
The fleet is not only launchers for cruise missiles. The fleet still has to deal with the isolation of the combat area and landing operations, there is neither the first nor the second. Why do we need such a fleet that can only shoot missiles? Ground installations in aviation cope well with this task.
1. Nelton
  
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  20 February 2023 10: 03
  
  Quote from Muscool
  Why do we need such a fleet that can only shoot missiles? Ground installations are good at this task.
  
  as far as I know, under agreements on the reduction of medium and short-range missiles, ground-based installations were banned, naval installations were not.
Alexbf109

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20 February 2023 09: 47

The Airborne Forces, in fact, need to be completely eliminated!
And come on, don't throw pissing rags at me, I'll state my opinion in order!
1. Very weak and light weapons make the Airborne Forces noticeably weaker in terms of firepower than any conventional infantry.
2. Specific weapons and armored vehicles, created specifically for them, while obviously weaker than conventional infantry equipment (additional costs, it’s not clear why!).
3. The lack of opportunity and even prerequisites, in modern warfare, for large-scale landing operations, without monstrous losses!
As a result: We send into battle, good and motivated infantry into battle, poorly armed !!!
For good, all units of the Airborne Forces need to be reformatted into "assault units" (or something similar), saturate them with normal armored vehicles and artillery (in my mind, even stronger than ordinary motorized infantry).
They must be ELITE, very powerfully armed mechanized infantry! All these lightweight and specific types of weapons for the Airborne Forces (BRDM, Shells, etc.) must be sent in metal, and normal tanks, self-propelled guns, etc. should be given to the Airborne-Attack aircraft.
PS For specific tasks, you can leave one brigade of "paratroopers"))
1. Nelton
  
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  20 February 2023 10: 09
  
  Quote: Alexbf109
  saturate them with normal armored vehicles and artillery (wisely, even stronger than ordinary motorized infantry).
  
  Rather, with heavier body armor, more machine guns / grenade launchers / snipers instead of AKs.
  Communication / UAV - it goes without saying.
  1. Alexbf109
    
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    20 February 2023 10: 13
    
    Small arms and grenade launchers, without saturation with good artillery, MLRS, heavy armor, will not increase firepower to the required level!
    1. Nelton
      
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      20 February 2023 11: 01
      
      Quote: Alexbf109
      without saturation with good artillery, MLRS, heavy armor, will not increase firepower
      
      What is the difference between an airborne soldier who has passed a tough selection and an ordinary motorized rifleman?
      In strength/endurance, this allows him to personally carry heavier weapons.
      And support with tanks and artillery is needed by both.
      With the fact that instead of special Airborne troops need to be equipped with conventional equipment - I agree.
      1. Alexbf109
        
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        20 February 2023 13: 43
        
        In addition, you need to completely change the preparation!
        No parachute jumps, hand-to-hand combat, knives and other nonsense!
2. Sergei Fonov
  
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  25 February 2023 18: 50
  
  After the landing on Crete, Hitler abandoned the use of the Airborne Forces, the reason being heavy losses. In the spacecraft, after an attempt to capture a bridgehead by landing forces on the Dnieper in 1943, they also came to the same conclusion, the Airborne Forces are needed for reconnaissance and sabotage on communications, but not divisions, but mobile groups are being prepared for this.
archer 13

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20 February 2023 10: 28

Why are you blaming everything on Serdyukov, who prevented Shoigu from fixing everything in 11 years, and does not engage in big tops in the form of army games.
1. Alexbf109
  
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  20 February 2023 10: 43
  
  Yes, Shoigu just likes parades, parades and exercises!
  After all, the paratroopers hit bottles with their heads and boards with their hands so effectively on them))) And how beautifully they jump from a parachute! And how they bathe in fountains!
bsk_una

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20 February 2023 12: 30

And someone was punished (any) for the "activities" of Taburetkin, who decomposed the Army into shovels!?. And how many in the leadership will be engaged in spells, and not in the development of the Army?
Sergey Grekov

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20 February 2023 13: 14

such geniuses of thought as Golikova or the same Serdyukov will first do business, and then when another crisis looms, we begin to rush about and frantically look for a solution to the problem. In fact, our enemy: this is not a clown - Navalny and not Masha Pevchikh, but something that sits in the Kremlin offices and various ministries.
Shooting Star

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20 February 2023 14: 25

The landing party under the hostel successfully coped with the task.

Where is the question?
1. Alexbf109
  
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  20 February 2023 14: 53
  
  Let it land, it has landed! The territory was occupied. Consider done!
  There is only but:
  1. For landing from the turntables, specific and expensive training is not needed (in the form of parachuting, etc.). This is not the work of the Airborne Forces, but the DShB (Airmobile Infantry, or Attack Aircraft, if you like).
  2. They occupied the territory, and they began to iron them with artillery. And the answer is really nothing!
  3. All equipment of the Airborne Forces is "cardboard cardboard"! Which, as practice has shown, in a real battle, does not hold anything! (And since no one assumes, and in principle it is not possible, to land these BRDMs and "Shells" from parachutes behind enemy lines, they must be urgently removed from the troops to museums, and production should be closed!)
  1. Bakht
    
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    21 February 2023 12: 53
    
    Unfortunately, there is no reliable information about the course of the operation in Gostomel. In principle, it cannot exist as long as hostilities are underway. And even after the end of the war, it is not a fact that we will find out something.
    From what is known today.
    Preparation began on February 22.
    February 24 was a successful landing of special forces. Konashenkov spoke about 200 helicopters. The Armed Forces of Ukraine reported on 54 helicopters.
    Losses amounted to 3 or 4 helicopters.
    The landing was successful. The landing party occupied the runway and the perimeter of the airfield. They were armed with light weapons. They had 2 BCs with them.
    Then strange things began. The landing on the runway of heavy IL-76 was canceled. The landing party was left without heavy weapons. The cancellation was most likely due to the loss of several helicopters. They did not dare to send IL-76.
    APU came to their senses only a day later. The paratroopers held out in a stubborn defense. Therefore, they decided to throw a column of armored vehicles from Belarus to help the landing. According to some reports (no confirmation), the column of Russian armored vehicles was held back by special forces of the SAS of Great Britain. They promised to hold back the Russian troops for a day and completed their task. During these days, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were supposed to destroy the landing. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine showed their complete inability in the first days of the war.
    So, what we have in the dry residue?
    What was the task of the landing? Most likely, take control of the airfield, get heavy equipment and personnel and launch an offensive against Kyiv. From Gostomel to Kyiv 15-20 km. The center of Kyiv is 30 km away. The landing party completed the task, but in the General Staff someone played bench-press. A month later, I had to leave with reputational losses. The result - in essence, the operation failed, despite the prowess of the special forces and paratroopers. Evaluation is carried out not at the beginning of the operation, but at its result.
    
    The question is - will the airborne division be able to carry out a successful landing in the presence of enemy air defense? Will the airborne division be able to hold the perimeter of the landing site without the presence of heavy weapons? And if you saturate such a division with tanks and heavy artillery, will the IL-76 be able to ensure the delivery of these weapons to the landing area?
    
    Airborne Forces, special forces, assault brigades, marines - all these are necessary components of the country's armed forces. But the main work will be done by motorized rifle divisions and corps, saturated with heavy armored vehicles, artillery, with well-established air defense and supply. The same rear division. Moreover, the brigade structure is completely unsuitable for a full-scale war. We need divisions and corps. Brigades, airborne forces, special forces are all good in low-intensity wars.
    1. Alexbf109
      
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      21 February 2023 17: 36
      
      Yes, everything is clear! The era of parachute landings is over!
      You can leave one elite brigade of the Airborne Forces (And then for landing, from the "turntables"). No more!
      Transfer the rest of the Airborne Forces to "elite motorized riflemen" (attack aircraft).
      Send all these "cardboard tanks" away to the museum! Or give it to the rear, the National Guard, if they need it at all!
      1. Bakht
        
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        21 February 2023 20: 10
        
        Extremes are always dangerous. Special forces are always needed. The question is how much. You will not send a motorized rifle division against a gang of a hundred people. With heavy artillery and tanks.
        Initially, the question was raised about the composition and armament of the Airborne Division. Equipment for such a division is developed and produced based on the technical capabilities of transport aviation.
        How many airborne divisions or brigades are needed is not for us to decide. I don't question the need for them. The quantitative composition is unknown to me. According to reference data (possibly outdated), there are 45 of them in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
        
        After all, they took Gostomel. The fact that the operation was left unfinished is not their fault.
Uncle Borya

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20 February 2023 19: 17

As for losses. Yes, our guys are dying, unfortunately. But this is war. And no matter how unpleasant it is for me, I must admit that yours can fight just as desperately as our Russian guys, and all because we are all Slavs, no one can fight better than us. Nobody at all!
But this in no way justifies you and your comments under the guise of outraged Russians. On the contrary, it shows all your treacherous essence - you sold yourself to Western masters for gingerbread, you sold your homeland for glass beads, you are now without a country and without a future, you are no one to call you - nothing, you betrayed the memory of your grandfathers.
However, what am I? Our grandfathers may be different, I have a Russian peasant and a warrior, you have a Galician policeman and a traitor.
Z.Y. Separately for Alexbf109 (Aleksey): they do not land from parachutes. I hope you understand.
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  21 February 2023 11: 26
  
  Oh, and then the question is "expert", but how is the Airborne Forces deciphered ?!
  Is there any parachute jumping in the training course for a paratrooper of the Airborne Forces ???
  And if there is, then for what? What is this ultra-lightweight landing equipment for, for throwing from transport aircraft ???
  "And all because we are all Slavs, no one can fight better than us. No one at all!"
  Even commenting is funny! Dying is not the same as winning. Heroism is a wonderful thing, no one argues!
  But in my opinion, it is better to win not with heroism, blood and lives of your guys, but with technology, superiority in the power of fire and technology!
  1. Bakht
    
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    21 February 2023 13: 52
    
    Airborne Forces stands for "Uncle Vasya's Troops"
    1. Alexbf109
      
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      21 February 2023 14: 16
      
      Ahhh ... It's a pity that it's not "Aunt Moti"!
      Unconditional champions in breaking bottles, boards, and swimming)))
      1. Bakht
        
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        21 February 2023 14: 27
        
        Za Spetsnaz
        
        Alexbf109
        
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        21 February 2023 17: 29
        
        Cool! What a "necessary" skill in modern warfare!
        In terms of the importance of training fighters, it is probably just as “needed” as massive parachute jumps, knife fighting ...
        But in any case, it lags behind, from more important matters! Painting curbs, grass, figured laying out "squares" of snow, and the ability to march well!
        
        Bakht
        
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        21 February 2023 20: 15
        
        I will give the opinion of a personnel officer. Colonel. All my life in an iron tank called a tank. In all seriousness, he once said that the army begins just with painting the curbs.
        And the ability to march is also an indicator.
        
        Alexbf109
        
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        22 February 2023 13: 39
        
        The opinion of the officers is clear and I have long known!
        Well, how do "molars" and "tin soldiers" fight well ?! We see, we see...
        And what reports can colonels, officers, cool!
        It's a pity that Wagners and other PMCs have to fight for you! Because YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT! Neither in Ukropostan, nor in Syria (we know, we know who actually fought there, and who guarded the base).
        PS Apparently the Americans, on this Thailand and on the Thais, just put a bolt, they have nothing to prove to them ... Therefore, they are relaxed!
        
        Alexbf109
        
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        22 February 2023 08: 57
        
        Of course, a very "necessary" skill in the conditions of modern combat! Drunk friends will definitely be impressed!
        The same "necessary" as mass landings of troops and equipment from parachutes! But it is certainly inferior to the main thing in preparation and skill, namely painting curbs in the cold, figured laying out "snow squares", marching step, and writing reports with slides!
In passing

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22 February 2023 20: 20

The more oaks in the army, the stronger our defense! Eh, what task was set for Serdyukov, he did it, similarly to Shoigu. Too late to drink Borjomi. On this topic. Everyone is needed, and marines, and landing, and attack aircraft, and military climbers, and mother infantry and, uh, horse divers (just kidding). What is the task of the Russian army? Protect the motherland. Nobody thought that they would have to fight with Ukraine, not with the Syrian barmaley, not with the Afghan bearded men. With a full-fledged army of the same Russians, only Vlasov and Mankurt. Therefore, the training of real artillerymen, tankers, infantrymen and assault squads trained for urban battles is needed. Leave the landing force and the Marines to their specific missions and their specific weaponry. Where is the army? Where is the army? Those who pull the strap and do not complain.
Alexey Lan

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22 February 2023 21: 32

why the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation relies on the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps

Why is so clear. The paratroopers and marines are the most prepared and strong-willed guys. It is a pity that they are used as ordinary infantry. And they could do things. In short, our rulers came out "We wanted the best, but it turned out, as always."