Three steps to peace: Russia will have to integrate Ukraine piece by piece

February 17 2023 62

In this publication, I would like to continue discussions on the prospects for building the Union State in the post-Soviet space and what role it can play in resolving the armed conflict on the territory of the former Independent State. According to the personal conviction of the author of these lines, there are simply no special sane alternatives to such an association in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine.

Inconvenient Questions

Like us noted earlier, in the period from 21 to 24 February 2023, some political processes that have a chance to change for the better the fate of the three closest Slavic states, as well as other CIS countries. But in order to move on, you need to find answers to some uncomfortable questions.

First - what exactly does President Putin have in store for Ukraine, which objectively will not be able to become part of the Russian Federation? Yes, in the comments it constantly sounds that it is necessary to completely eliminate Ukrainian statehood, annexing all its former regions as new subjects of the Russian Federation. Some short-sighted and not quite competent authors even propose to ban Ukrainians from using language language in order to quickly "remake them into real Russians."

Let's be realistic: after the completion of the NWO, Ukraine as a state will definitely not cease to exist, only its post-war borders, the form of government and the legal status of the Russian language, culture, and so on can be discussed. Those who propose to “remake Ukrainians into Russians” in the indicated ways, I would like to advise, as part of a thought experiment, to imagine that they defeated the Armed Forces of Ukraine, raised the yellow-blue flag over Moscow, and it is the Ukrainian Nazis who will establish similar orders. Like? Resign or will you fight? That's the same.

Probably, the main problem of the special operation is that neither the Russian nor the Ukrainian people over the past year heard a specific program for the post-war reconstruction of Ukraine. “Demilitarization” and “denazification” are too vague, on the contrary, in less than 12 months of the NWO, its accelerated militarization and nazification took place.
Here are many Russian "sofa geopoliticians" in the comments blame the Ukrainians that they do not take up arms and do not sign up as volunteers to fight on the side of Russia. What exactly are they supposed to fight for?

Under the criminal law of their country, such volunteers will be considered collaborators and traitors and subject to trial or execution on the spot. What exactly are they fighting for? For Russia, which holds its own NWO on their territory, or for its own country? But what should it be? President Putin for the past year, alas, did not tell them.

The second question – what exactly is the principle behind the Kremlin’s drawing of a new Russian border? Yes, almost a year ago, the independence of the DPR and LPR, proclaimed back in 2014, was finally recognized. Yes, according to the results of the September 2022 referenda, Donbass and the Azov region became part of the Russian Federation. But tell me, why, for example, the Kharkiv region was not noticed in the preparation of the relevant plebiscites?

Undoubtedly, at the time of the referendums, the RF Armed Forces had already successfully “regrouped” from the Kharkov region, but until that moment there had been no preparations for them at all. Why? Because Kharkov was under occupation? So Zaporozhye was and remains under occupation, and now Kherson. Was there not enough territory of Kharkiv region controlled by the RF Armed Forces to annex it? So, excuse me, why then did this not prevent the annexation of a tiny piece of Nikolaevskaya, now remaining on the right bank of the Dnieper, to the Kherson region?

By what principle it is decided that here it is necessary to release and attach, but here it is not necessary, it is completely incomprehensible. Why, say, Kherson residents are better than Kharkiv residents, who live 40 kilometers from the Russian border? And if the Cossacks, who are under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, are worthy of release and joining the Russian Federation, then why is this denied to the Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk and Odessa residents? Where exactly is that line of demarcation?

And what, one wonders, will subsequently happen to those pieces of the Kharkov region, for which the RF Armed Forces are now fighting fierce battles? Will we still annex Kupyansk, Izyum and Balakliya, recaptured with blood, to Russia so as not to leave a threat to Donbass in the neighborhood, or will we make another “goodwill gesture” by returning them back to the Kiev regime for “de-escalation”? Or is there some third way?

Yes, the questions are hard-hitting, but they need to be answered in order to move forward to resolve the conflict in our favor.

Three steps to peace

It is quite obvious that the Ukrainian statehood will be preserved following the results of the SVO, despite all the calls of many of our readers to liquidate it. Also, there will not be a complete annexation of the entire territory of the former Independent to Russia. You should not soar in the clouds, where it hurts to fall, but rather spend time and energy discussing more realistic ideas and concepts. The most rational option seems to be the post-war division of Ukraine into three parts - South-Eastern, Central and Western.

The South-East can be digested with the least resistance by the Russian Federation in the format of a new federal district. Western Ukraine in the current realities has almost no chance of integrating with our country. It would be reasonable to give it the status of a broad national-cultural autonomy under the tripartite protectorate of Russia, Belarus and Poland. Central Ukraine needs federalization, giving the Russian language the status of a second state language, protecting Russian culture on a par with Ukrainian. Instead of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Self-Defense Forces should be formed there, no more than 40-50 thousand people in number. The military security of Central Ukraine, or historical Little Russia, must be ensured by a joint grouping of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus along the lines of the Union State. She herself will have to become part of this integration supranational entity.

The path to the post-war settlement of the armed conflict can begin with three concrete steps.

At first, between February 21 and 24, 2023, President Putin and Lukashenko could announce the beginning of the political integration of Russia and Belarus within the framework of the Union State. In particular, to start work on the formation of a common parliament, the Supreme State Council, the Council of Ministers and the court. In other words, an instrument must be created within the framework of which post-war Ukraine and Russia can come closer to Belarus at the interstate level.

Secondly, it would be very nice if President Putin finally addressed the Ukrainian people directly from the stage in Luzhniki and explained to them what exactly he proposes following the results of the NWO. The main points can be seen above. This is necessary so that an adequate part of the Ukrainian people clearly understand why they can fight on the side of Russia. For ourselves, for the world, for a clear common future. Yes, there will be no idyll, but this way you can start a fight for the minds of many Ukrainians.

Thirdly, it is necessary to make a delimitation of Nazi Ukraine, which is under the rule of the Kyiv regime, and that Ukraine (Little Russia), for which Russia is ready to fight further. To do this, in the already liberated territories of the Kharkiv region, the creation of a new state should be proclaimed, recognizing it as the legal successor of pre-Maidan Ukraine, while at the same time refusing to recognize the Zelensky regime as a terrorist one. In the same Kupyansk or Izyum, after their release, you can Create an elected representative body, the parliament, which will form all other authorities, to which the management of the new liberated regions will be transferred. After the liquidation of the anti-Russian regime in Kiev, no matter how long it takes, the parliament will be able to hold a referendum in each of the Ukrainian regions, where it will be decided where they will go - to Russia, Little Russia with accession to the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus or the Galicia-Volyn autonomy.

Other scenarios for the development of events, alas, guarantee an endless bloody war. No need for illusions.

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Vladimir80

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17 February 2023 16: 37

Other scenarios for the development of events, alas, guarantee an endless bloody war

Our human and military-technical resources are extremely limited compared to NATO and the collective West, so this is also an illusion about an "endless" war.
And the president already addressed the citizens of the region and the military a year ago, why repeat unsuccessful scenarios?
The area of the areas controlled by our troops, in addition to the DPR and LPR, is close to 0 (compared to the remaining outskirts), and there will be no peaceful life there in the near future - therefore, "non-Bandera Ukraine" is an unviable formation.
Regards to the author, thanks!
1. Nelton
  
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  17 February 2023 17: 29
  
  Sergey Marzhetsky
  after the liquidation of the anti-Russian regime in Kyiv, no matter how long it takes
  
  Other scenarios for the development of events, alas, guarantee an endless bloody war
  
  Quote: Vladimir80
  Our human and military-technical resources are extremely limited compared to NATO and the collective West, so this is also an illusion about an "endless" war.
  
  All options are bad, and there is a completely catastrophic one - to start using nuclear weapons.
  (there is a sharp increase in the likelihood that the United States will strike at the Russian Federation preventively, without waiting for the Russian Federation to switch from tactical nuclear weapons in Lviv to strikes on London and Washington)
  
  Among the bad options -
  the capture of Kyiv with conventional weapons is extremely unlikely.
  A lot of things should coincide - starting from the presence of certain tactical novelties that the Russian Federation will be able to apply en masse and they will turn out to be successful, to some problems for NATO, that they will not be up to Ukraine.
  (an option is to create and accumulate new items, after which NATO will have to wait for those problems as needed. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine will also accumulate funds, new items and build fortifications ...).
  
  Stomp on the 38th parallel for an indefinitely long time, with either subsiding or intensifying mutual shelling, +/- farm.
  NATO is much more powerful than the Russian Federation, but it is not at all eager to throw everything on the altar of victory.
  
  I remain of my opinion that NATO will continue to provide exactly as many and such weapons so that the front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not fall apart, nothing more. But no less - if the RF Armed Forces increase pressure, then NATO supplies will increase (this is again the question of the possibilities for capturing Kyiv).
  
  What are the other options?
  Subscribe to trillions in reparations in exchange for an end to the shelling of the Belgorod region?
  The evacuation of the civilian population from the 20-100 km front zone + the cost of the military-industrial complex will still cost less.
  
  So it turns out that marking time is the lesser of evils ...
  At least as long as the economy allows.
  1. Downed pilot
    
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    17 February 2023 17: 49
    
    Maladie!
    Started for health, finished for peace, marking time, the best option, yeah ....
    Somehow, in childhood, at the age of 4, I read the story 'The Overcoat', the author of the article, apparently, did not read))))
    You will stagnate, looking in the mirror, two morons will come up from behind and tear the shpak in half.
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  2. EMMM
    
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    17 February 2023 18: 23
    
    For those who are especially stupid: there will be no tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine! Only for the Pentagon strategic
  3. Peter rybak
    
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    18 February 2023 17: 30
    
    Nelton, And plus again. One of the few intelligent comments.
    
    What will happen if we reach Kyiv? An unlikely line of events, but still. Here we come, let's say. What to do next? To declare their power, leaving hundreds of partisan formations in the rear, setting the whole world, with the exception of Belarus, completely against itself? But who will let us?
    
    The current situation in Ukraine is driven by NATO. It is this that allows us to cling to a small farm somewhere, and somewhere to the Ukrainians to carry out an attack. And so it will be for a very long time. Then we take Artyomovsk, let's miss Mariupol. Let's take Mariupol again, let's miss Artyomovsk. If we try to go even further, deep into Ukraine, then the "leopards" will be in time and the F-16s will fly. Let's retreat to the old frontiers, the "leopards" will run out of fuel, and the F-16s will be waiting for spare parts.
    
    NATO clearly knows what to do. According to the whole world, with the exception of Belarus, Russia has gone too far and should be put in its place. But not by open participation in the conflict, not by the involvement of army units. For a long time they do not believe in the adequacy of those who manage the red button in our country. And openly will not climb into the conflict. Let the Slavs kill each other.
    
    The long prospect of a conflict will finally weaken Russia economically, all sorts of troubles will begin inside the country, and then the government (with a rating of 75%) may collapse in the shortest possible time. And not by the forces of the people, but by internal squabbles.
    
    And then we can be taken with bare hands. Nobody is going to capture us. Who needs us so incomprehensible? The whole world needs our raw materials. And we, who are losing our youth, who do not believe in a brighter future, will bring everything on a silver platter.
    1. Alexbf109
      
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      22 February 2023 10: 57
      
      I agree!
      Only these artificial rules of the game from the United States, which lead us to defeat, can and SHOULD be broken!
    2. Nelton
      
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      22 February 2023 11: 15
      
      Quote: Peter Rybak
      According to the whole world, with the exception of Belarus, Russia has gone too far and should be put in its place.
      
      Well, not only Belarus...there are enough countries/citizens in the world that don't like the arbitrariness of the US, and anyone who challenges them will enjoy a certain sympathy.
      
      But in general, everyone is watching with interest what the United States can do with a "violator of the convention."
      Accordingly, the United States cannot take and merge Ukraine.
      
      Quote: Peter Rybak
      let's try to go even further, deep into Ukraine, then the "leopards" will be in time and the F-16 will fly. Let's retreat to the old frontiers, the "leopards" will run out of fuel, and the F-16s will be waiting for spare parts.
      
      Something like that, yes ....
      Adjusted for the inertia of the processes, + the Ukrainians are sure that they can - they poke in case the aid stops.
      
      Quote: Peter Rybak
      The long prospect of a conflict will finally weaken Russia economically, all sorts of troubles will begin inside the country, and then the government (with a rating of 75%) may collapse in the shortest possible time. And not by the forces of the people, but by internal squabbles.
      
      India-Pakistan live in the regime of a protracted "cessation of shelling" ...
  4. Alexbf109
    
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    22 February 2023 09: 39
    
    there is a completely catastrophic one - to start using nuclear weapons.
    (the probability is sharply growing that the United States will preemptively strike at the Russian Federation, without waiting for the Russian Federation to move from tactical nuclear weapons in Lvov to strikes on London and Washington) ...
    
    Explain to me why you take this nonsense ??? Just from what?
    Who promised the Banderlogs this? WHO???
    On the contrary, at first everyone was afraid to help them, precisely because of the fear of "a vigorous loaf"! Only later, when the Kremlin began to mumble about "negotiations, de-escalations, a deal," only when they realized that the mood there was not serious, that's when the deliveries began!
    The threat of a NATO attack on us, because of the banderlogs, is COMPLETE BULLSHIT! Which only delays the war, gives hope to Banderastan and the West! It is this blow that will destroy the entire American structure, and hopes for the defeat of Russia!
    1. Nelton
      
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      22 February 2023 10: 12
      
      Quote: Alexbf109
      Who promised the Banderlogs this?
      
      Of course, no one promised this to Ukraine.
      
      It's simple self-defense logic. If a certain country has begun to use nuclear weapons, it means that the leadership there is completely bad, at any moment they can hit anyone, which means it's not too late - it is necessary to deliver a preemptive strike, despite the known risks.
      1. Alexbf109
        
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        22 February 2023 10: 38
        
        What??? "It's just the logic of self-defense..."
        What nonsense ?!
        And if some country like the United States is slinging right and left, with missiles and bombs all over the world ... "it means it's not too late - it is necessary to deliver a preemptive strike, despite the known risks"!
        And what? Did everyone get hit?
        Your logic is OUTSTANDING!
        But in fact: NOBODY promised your Ukropostan (and I think you are from there!) That he is ready to fight Russia for him! And NEVER! Or give at least one fact ?!
        Not by law, not in words! Of course, I understand your Bandera "wishlist and dreamers."
        But these are only your "Wishlist and Dreamers"
vlad127490

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17 February 2023 17: 26

The author, before promoting the division of Ukraine, then go back to 1991 and give a legal definition of what happened. I will answer you. In 1991, a coup d'etat took place in the USSR. Gos.perevorot is a criminal offense without a statute of limitations. And the fact that the USSR does not exist does not mean that the former union republic is now a sovereign independent state, this applies to all union republics of the USSR.
President of Russia V.V. Putin, in his speech in Veliky Novgorod, dedicated to the 1160th anniversary of the birth of Russian statehood, said: “Russia cherishes all the pages of its history and will not repeat the mistakes of underestimating the importance of its own sovereignty. Today's Russia is the legal successor of both Ancient Rus', and the Muscovite kingdom, and the Russian Empire, and the Soviet Union. All these are pages of our history, we will never give up on them, we will not rewrite history to please the political situation. The history of the country makes it stronger. And the main lesson of history is that it is mortally dangerous for Russia to weaken its sovereignty even for a while, to abandon national interests.”
There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Bandera, no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to the EU countries. NATO will no longer be able to use Ukraine against Russia. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia.
1. syndicalist
  
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  18 February 2023 07: 34
  
  In the same way, Ukrainians consider themselves the heirs of Ancient Rus'. Before the war, even the renaming of Ukraine to Rus was actively discussed. And as for dismemberment, you can’t even imagine how popular this topic is in the Ukrainian media, only in relation to Russia, which they consider to be a sub-state, doomed to complete disintegration and assimilation by its neighbors.
  1. Anrey
    
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    19 February 2023 23: 34
    
    You can consider yourself as anyone. But I guess they fell into their own trap. In order to believe (it is clear that not all) in 140 stories that all famous personalities were Ukrainians (Yaroslav the wise in his grave, like a turbine, when he heard that he was not the Great Russian Prince who wrote the Russian Truth, but before the village he absolutely unknown Ukrainian) it is necessary to bring a certain and not a small part of the population to complete inability to think. And this is a contagious thing, further regression.
2. RUR
  
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  18 February 2023 13: 43
  
  os.perevorot is a criminal offense without a statute of limitations. And the fact that there is no USSR does not mean that the former Soviet republic is now a sovereign independent state
  
  You see, these are now recognized by the international community - including Russia - countries ...
  In many former republics, the younger generation is numerically large, which often does not even know anything about the USSR, and often knows the negative ...
  Your ideas are utopias that cannot be realized peacefully...
Downed pilot

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17 February 2023 17: 26

The article is long, a lot of letters, not asilil.
The map is rough, I think that on the left bank of the Dnieper the land can only be Russian, and on the right bank the psheks don’t do anything. Let them rejoice if, according to the results of the showdown, their Polish is once again not divided until it perished,
It is better to share more generously with Hungarian and Moldovan friends.

I think there is no need to waste time in vain,
the German comrades need to offer a map of the partition of Poland convenient in time.
Forge money without leaving the cash register
And do not pick up the phone if macron and her husband start calling
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2. RUR
  
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  18 February 2023 14: 27
  
  It is better to share more generously with Hungarian and Moldovan friends.
  
  Your friends are dwarfs, in Moldova it’s good if there are 50% of Moldovans, they are unable to digest Transnistria and Gagauzia, the Hungarians are also not a very big people + the linguistic gap between them, the Finno-Ugric peoples, and neighboring peoples ... the west of Ukraine is Polonized , not Magyarized ... + now there are millions of refugees in Poland, which is probably also being Ukrainianized to some extent ... You don’t know the region you are trying to talk about at all ...
3. Pro 222
  
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  20 February 2023 18: 48
  
  Yeah, tell my neighbor.
  Her son died.
Scharnhorst

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17 February 2023 17: 47

"At whose expense is this banquet?" Firstly, the mention of the concept of "Ukraine" should disappear from the lexicon, in extreme cases, "Prorussia" already suggested - well, by analogy with "Prussia", the eastern part of which is currently quite a worthy region of the Russian Federation, the Kaliningrad region. Secondly, what is the succession? Which of the readers wants to pay the debts of the ukroreich, put a comment minus! And if we defeat the United States in World War III, will we pay their debt? And will we assign pensions to the captured Nazis from Azov as participants in the hostilities? Only hard occupation, like in East Germany; lustration of the adult population; forced deportation as from East Prussia. Third,

guarantee an endless bloody war

- I agree, provided that it be conducted in the image and likeness of Israel. Destroy criminals all over the world; destroy homes and families of terrorists; preemptive strikes against threatening infrastructure and gangs...
Well, about the border next time.
DO

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17 February 2023 19: 25

neither the Russian nor the Ukrainian people over the past year heard a specific program for the post-war reconstruction of Ukraine

Today we need not words, but deeds.
The defeat of Russia in the NMD means the military-political defeat of Russia, not immediately, but a little later.
The victory of Russia in the NMD will be expressed in the military-political liquidation of the ukroreich as a state entity, and in the annexation of the territory of Ukraine to Russia - in its entirety, or with its division with Belarus.
What is the point of sharing the skin of an unkilled bear in the media without winning a military victory?
1. Vladimir80
  
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  17 February 2023 22: 30
  
  This, of course, is our common misfortune, without having won (which is almost impossible in the current state of the army and leadership), we dream on sofas how to equip the outskirts - Oblomovism and infantilism 100%!
  1. Anrey
    
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    19 February 2023 23: 46
    
    Fine! Where else, if not on the couch! It's just that everyone needs to answer the question for themselves, if the agenda comes, will this one go? If yes, then there is no problem.
2. Pro 222
  
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  20 February 2023 18: 51
  
  What victory?
  Sofa expert.
  Tell the mothers that they lost their sons.
  For what.
  Prosperity of Putin and company.
Sergey Latyshev

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17 February 2023 21: 03

Complete idealism, if not worse.

In fact, as it is, so it will be.

It will be possible to "return" something else, having killed a bunch of Ukrainians - we will join. We will hold a referendum among the remaining old men and PMC Wagner, and 99,9 will be in favor.

And the rest of the questions are utterly far-fetched.
Ukrainians living in Russia have not been running to the military registration and enlistment offices "to release and join" for a year now. There were Syrians on TV, there were blacks, there were South Ossetians, and the Ukrainian Liberation Army, repeatedly proposed by Sergei, there were no governments in exile. It is clear why. Fiction.

And all sorts of "worthy of liberation Odessans, etc." for some reason, in every possible way oppose "liberation and annexation" with weapons in their hands.

And Putin has already addressed the Ukrainians many times. Remember: you are not Ukrainians, you are Russians, sit at home, overthrow the government, hand them over to our army, Ukraine will be territorially inviolable, etc. Something did not work in all respects.
And it won’t play anymore if acquaintances and relatives have been “demilitarized” to death, and the oligarchs hold on to their own with their teeth ...

And thirdly, you can create anything, even a Martian republic, from the remaining old women.
The point is if no one recognizes them, except for EDRA and S. Korea, and after 6 months they will still be attached to Russia.
There will be a standard - well-fed Edra officials, oligarchs, Azovstal in Pushilin's pocket, and the rest of the poor with salaries like in the LDNR ..

or in the Galicia-Volyn autonomy.

- it's generally a tin. Who will release someone into a non-existent autonomy?.
Vladimir1155

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18 February 2023 00: 04

the author is wrong, Ukraine should be liquidated forever and you yourself know this and wrote that it should not exist, so are your outdated tales about a certain southeast supposedly ours, I myself invented them 5 years ago, I know why I invented them to justify the intervention in Ukrainian affairs, and I succeeded, thank God, our government intervening in dill and the dill themselves divided with themselves, the result is our Crimea, we are not a colony, now our Sea of \u20b\u2014bAzov, and import substitution, cheers comrades! but they are outdated, new times new ideas new solutions ... which, the first liquidation of ukraine, he ran into fascists themselves now the truth and God are behind us, we are destroying the fascists, we also have a reason for their aggression since 1 and an attempt to take away our Crimea and Donbass , ... that in the end, stage 2 complete destruction of the color of their army, their infrastructure and industry, squeezing out the most active in the EU 3 strike on Lviv and blockade from the west and from the sea, while the goals are not announced, it seems we are fighting the Nazis this and that at the same time, the mass exodus of Bandera to Europe, by means of a nuclear strike on Lviv or by the method of total destruction of their defense facilities XNUMX of the remaining dill, we do not announce anything, but they begin to boil in their own juice, without the light of work and bread, they leave in a hurry, we give them a corridor to the EU , and finally, when the remaining most passive Ukrainians are convinced that all their arrogance was empty, they reconcile, then you can start re-educating them, sorting them, since now they are being identified and arrested in Berdyansk and Mariu field separating from normal civilians
Watching

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18 February 2023 02: 22

The author underestimates the danger of Ukrainian statehood, even castrated. Firstly, this is a fictitious state, and secondly, as I have already noted before, we must learn for ourselves that the Anglo-Saxons will not back down from their own, therefore they will not allow any peaceful, neutral Ukraine. This war should lead to the disappearance of the source of danger, even at the cost of decades of appeasement. To show weakness here is like death.
shinobi

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18 February 2023 03: 04

No need to guess what to do. In the short term, there will be a termination of the content of 404. The United States has problems that had to be solved yesterday and Ukraine is definitely not included in them. Europe does not want to support Ukraine, did not want to initially, and cannot in fact. Without external replenishment in its current form, this misunderstanding will cease to exist at the same moment as funding stops. Exactly what the West has prepared for Russia will happen. Crushing 404 on a regional basis . Something will be sorted out by neighbors on an ethnic and historical basis, what will remain is that no one needs. This will be Ukraine. Therefore, there are no clear statements and declarations about the future of Ukraine, it simply does not exist.
Constantine N

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18 February 2023 05: 36

if in 2014 they could not keep Ukraine, now everything is much more complicated ...
Alexander Ra

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18 February 2023 07: 27

As long as politicians consider the people to be the sum of "sofa generals", and people agree with this, nothing good will happen. Politicians recognized the collapse of the USSR and the Belovezhskaya conspiracy, but did the people recognize it? The goals for Ukraine are not clear either for Ukraine or for Russia, that is, they are hidden. The means that are used in Ukraine are weak and inadequate, since maneuvering between the interests of their people and the "partner" interests of the West will not allow to solve the problem in the bud. At its root, this is the restoration of Slavic-Russian unity.
1. Peter rybak
  
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  18 February 2023 17: 13
  
  ... and the people recognized?
  
  What other people? What do people generally decide? The people need bread, potatoes, meat and TV shows.
  And how are you going to restore "Slavic-Russian" unity (and Russians are not Slavs?) When you cut each other's throats? Do you think we will be forgiven this chaos for the next hundred years?
  1. Alexander Ra
    
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    18 February 2023 18: 43
    
    We need to learn not to forgive the chaos that is brought to us.
    
    Quote: Peter Rybak
    What do people generally decide? The people need bread, potatoes, meat and TV shows.
    
    There is a state of cattle, but this is not the norm.
    
    Quote: Peter Rybak
    you are going to restore the "Slavic-Russian" unity
    
    Living nature is characterized by the desire for healing.
  2. RUR
    
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    18 February 2023 19: 49
    
    In my opinion, to honestly assess everything, the problem is that, apart from the left-bank Ukraine of Khmelnitsky, there was no voluntary entry of the remaining parts of the Commonwealth into the Empire ... You can shout proudly as much as you like about the divisions of Poland, but now it is clear that neither the Empire nor The USSR failed to digest the Polish inheritance ...
trampoline instructor

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18 February 2023 09: 55

XNUMX% variations on "What will the world be like after a (nuclear) war"?
We'll live and see.
Dingo

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18 February 2023 11: 46

or Galicia-Volyn autonomy.

Sergey, I'll start from afar. My classmate served "urgent" in the then Soviet Army (DMB 77-79) near Ivano-Frankivsk, in a motorized rifle regiment, as an infantry fighting vehicle driver. He was from the spring conscription, I was from the autumn one (study was delayed). Sometimes we corresponded. I don’t remember how, but the conversation turned to layoffs in the city (I served in the air defense, in the Vologda region - and where will you go there, visit the wolves?).
In one of his letters, he answers me - "Vit, they don't let us go anywhere either. The political officer says - we need to return you home alive ...
All because of the local "French" ... Sober ones are still tolerable, but when they "get drunk" ... (Mat) they are utter, they have something with their brains ... ".
I didn’t understand this word then, and then I forgot - it wasn’t up to that ...
Suddenly, on one of the resources (many years later, when it all began to spin), I come across this nickname "Westerners" ... I decided to search, "google" ... And a lot became clear.
In Soviet times, this topic was not advertised, it was simply hushed up ... But the doctors turned out to be right about the next generations - where does this stupidity and bestial cruelty come from ... Donetsk did not just take up arms - they knew what kind of infection these "trains" were carrying with them friendship" from Western Ukraine...
If you are interested - in the search engine of any browser, type this word - "French" (better in Google - information is cut off in Yandex).
And then decide whether Russia needs this "Galician gopota" ...
Sincerely. Victor.
1. trampoline instructor
  
  0
  
  18 February 2023 12: 57
  
  The episode of the massacre of the Chernetsovites begins with a quarrel between Chernetsov and Podtelkov. Their mutual hatred, contempt and disgust for each other takes the form of a skirmish. Chernetsov began to advance on Podtelkov, cursing softly. But the loud phrase that flew out of his mouth worked like a trigger for Podtelkov: he abruptly grabbed the hilt of his saber and slashed Chernetsov.
  The order to kill everyone was immediately carried out.
  
  Podtelkov courageously, proudly raising his head, climbed onto a stool, unbuttoned the collar of his shirt on his swarthy, thick neck, and himself, without trembling with a single muscle, put a soapy noose around his neck.
  
  At the time of the execution, Podtelkov was 32, and Krivoshlykov was 24 years old. The verdict of the Cossack court was inexorable. Their bodies swayed over the land they wanted to see under the rule of the Soviets.
  
  Sholokhov did not write anything about the "French Westerners".
  1. Dingo
    
    +1
    
    18 February 2023 13: 31
    
    So - you are looking in the wrong place ... This is a fact, and it exists regardless of your opinion.
    1. trampoline instructor
      
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      18 February 2023 13: 35
      
      Today PMC "Wagner" took the village of Krasnaya Gora in the Donetsk People's Republic. This was reported in the press service of Yevgeny Prigozhin. War correspondent Oleksandr Sladkov emphasized that the phrase "The entire garrison is dead" is a greeting sent to the Ukrainian Nazis...
      
      Regardless of your opinion, there are also many other facts that you prefer to keep quiet.
2. Pro 222
  
  +1
  
  20 February 2023 20: 31
  
  Vitya, a complete lie!
Ezekiel 25-17

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18 February 2023 13: 02

There can be no territorial stumps on the left bank of the Dnieper. The border should run along the Dnieper; the entire coast of the Black Sea must become Russian. Further, a demilitarized zone should lie 300 km from the future border.
1. Dingo
  
  0
  
  18 February 2023 13: 41
  
  the entire coast of the Black Sea must become Russian.
  
  And without the coast and the Crimea (given by the "maize man" at one time), Gabonia's coming out will become absolutely uninteresting to the "arrogant Saxons". No wonder they announced a tender for the construction of their bases, when our fleet was kicked out of Sevastopol .... They hurried, however ...
  And to maintain these, to put it mildly, "Sumerians", who never had their own statehood (always "under someone") and do not know how to dispose of it - that's another idea ...
  
  ... They gave me freedom yesterday ...
  What am I going to do with her?
  
  (V.S. Vysotsky).
Bakht

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18 February 2023 13: 24

Basically, right. But Kyiv refuses.

According to the results of the NWO, Kharkov, Chernigov and Sumy should also be annexed. There are 7 regions in total. But to do this, you must first release them. So far, there are no visible results at the front.
viktor goblin

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18 February 2023 13: 42

In addition to the language - what is the attractiveness of the "Russian World"? At least one ! "You have nothing - you are a beggar ...". No cars, no electronics - soldering irons and then Chinese. Rearrangements in the General Staff are akin to actions in a brothel.
1. Bakht
  
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  18 February 2023 14: 03
  
  Strange. I worked for an international company. We didn't have anything American. Even soldering irons were Chinese. As well as hammers, pliers and all electronics.
  
  Yes, if only varieties of sausage are in your head, then in the "Russian world" this is tense. And in the "western world" you have no language, no religion, no culture. A hundred words to understand. We called it "English Command". Hundreds of words are enough.
  In the Western world "You have nothing - you are a beggar!"
  1. trampoline instructor
    
    0
    
    18 February 2023 14: 40
    
    Yes, if only varieties of sausage are in your head, then in the "Russian world" this is tense.
    
    Come on!
    https://www.verno-info.ru/
Tom Gillan

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18 February 2023 15: 25

.. upon completion of the NWO, Ukraine as a state will definitely not cease to exist ..

- Oh really?? After this arrogant, unsubstantiated statement by the author, the text can be left unread.
1. Peter rybak
  
  -3
  
  18 February 2023 17: 06
  
  I didn't read it. Sergey Marzhetsky a couple of years ago was a slightly different author, it was nice to read and discuss his material. Something happened to him. Either they scared me, or they gave me money. Unclear.
Peter rybak

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18 February 2023 17: 05

They already said "Hop!", But they haven't jumped over yet. And if the scenario changes slightly due to, say, the sudden death of the leader. Or will some significant event within the country distract from Ukraine? Or, in the end, everything will not end as planned at the top? If rumors of re-mobilization are confirmed, the country will be empty. You won't see young and laughing people on the streets anymore. Whoever can, will run away, whoever cannot, is not a warrior. Otherwise, he would have volunteered a long time ago.
Mr. Marzhetsky, you quickly divided Ukraine here and united it with us and Belarus. Will you go to war?
Luenkov

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18 February 2023 17: 09

Ukrainianism was created as a movement against Russia, uniting. To be at the edge of these processes is to resist them. It is proposed to leave the abscess for reproduction? Kurds have their own statehood?
Igor Viktorovich Berdin

-2

18 February 2023 17: 18

In general, that is correct. It may still consider the return of some territories to Poland, Hungary, and Romania. So to speak, to interest them too.
Opozdavshiy

+1

18 February 2023 19: 28

I believe that the author is mistaken in the main thing - in the people inhabiting Ukraine ..
What has happened in the last 30 years?
The Ukrainian people, that is, that part of the population of the USSR that lived on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, more or less successfully sold their own people for sausage in the 90s. Ukraine, as a subject of international relations, simply ate this sausage, but one has to live. And the guys decided this time to sell themselves for sausage - there is simply nothing more. Naturally, de-Russification, decommunization and other de-communization had to be carried out there ..., the original essence of all these "de" is an ordinary debilitation of the population. As a result, Ukraine inevitably turned from a subject of relations into an object.
Finally, Ukraine became an object precisely with the election of Zelensky to the presidency. Before that, some kind of thieves and / or small-town, but common sense was present among the population. But by the time Zelensky was elected, the massive and final social debilitation of the population had ended quite successfully. Only under such conditions could the election of Zelensky be pulled off.
It took as much as 30 years - two generations.
It is simply absurd to plan at least some kind of reconstruction of Ukraine with the current level of self-awareness of the population. No matter how you organize it, there will still be a "walk-field".
A long-term occupation regime is needed on the territory of Ukraine similar to that in Germany after 1945. Little by little, the Germans became sane. Ukrainians will, too, if not immediately. And when this sanity matures, only then the author's reasoning will become relevant. Not earlier.
1. vlad127490
  
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  18 February 2023 22: 04
  
  Ukraine has a population, but no people.
  It is possible to artificially create states (former Soviet republics of the USSR), nationalities (Ukrainians, Kazakhs ...), but they did not learn how to create artificial brains, therefore it was not possible to create a nation, it seems that all the attributes of the form of the state are there, but the state itself is not.
  1. Pro 222
    
    0
    
    20 February 2023 20: 37
    
    Yeah, the population is at the front, and the people are sitting at home.
    What we have been doing there for a year.
    Its?
Art Pilot

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18 February 2023 20: 29

There may be a problem with the Dnipropetrovsk region (the former fiefdom of Benya Kolomoisky). Israel was firmly seated there.
steelmaker

+1

18 February 2023 20: 32

According to the personal conviction of the author of these lines,

You upset me. That's from you, I did not expect this! What else is Ukraine? Don't you understand that if you leave Ukraine in any form, then this is a war in the future! There should be only Russia, and Ukraine should remain only in history!!
1. lord-palladore-11045
  
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  19 February 2023 00: 39
  
  In Russia there is the Buryat Autonomous Okrug. Buryats are actually Mongols living in the Russian Federation. Do you care what they call themselves? Let Ukrainians remain Ukrainians if they want to. The main thing is to remove Nazism and nationalism from them. This is important.
In passing

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18 February 2023 21: 34

Thanks author. Everyone thinks she gave pluses. But the Kremlin itself does not know how it will go and how it will be. And what. From this stove and dancing. Let the army do its thing. Based on the results of hostilities, the annexation of territories and other referenda will also take place. But one thing is for sure - the current territorial formation number 404 should no longer exist, it is a dead end and an abyss. Some in Ukraine understand this. And the majority stubbornly clings to some opportunity to get out, to survive, to get settled. In their very real reality. Almost 40% of its children study abroad in Ukraine, twelve million are refugees. And they will try to stay there and settle down, so as not to return to no one knows where. Therefore, there is no Ukrainian liberation army, because they need a freebie. Freebie. So that Europe takes on its cost, as they dream of integration (almost the entire center and west). Or Russia (south and east), but would have raked their problems. In their own country, they are not able to restore order, and therefore they are looking for a master. The Anglo-Saxons picked it up, and the Russians clapped their ears. And what and why was it exactly like this, and in 2014 it was done, and now it’s suddenly different, here Putin needs to answer the people. Who screwed up then. Cynical, but true. Russia will have to fight for a long time, but the fatigue of Europe, the split in the states, and the Chinese factor of Taiwan will help us. You will have to fight with small forces, but fight and win. And those who live there will divide and equip these territories.
lord-palladore-11045

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19 February 2023 00: 32

Thanks to the author. Someone agrees, someone does not, but something will need to be done with post-Bandera Ukraine. To involve the allied state in this matter is the most logical move. We need to think about how to conduct business in the controlled space. It is possible to involve the CSTO forces in this, but the Bandera vermin must be burned with a red-hot iron using the method of Pavel Sudoplatov. So that the Ukrainians themselves shied away from Bandera and Shukhevych like hell from incense. I hope the entire readership understands that the drugs used can change, and that everything can be wrong, but a fundamental view of things is important. Once again, respect to the author.
Ignatov Oleg Georgievich

-1

19 February 2023 01: 59

The author still does not understand that Ukraine no longer exists.
stepanhitri

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19 February 2023 09: 47

Thank you for the article.
Moscow

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20 February 2023 01: 33

The protectorate of Russia, Belarus and Poland over Western Ukraine today does not seem real. Simply because Poland has not been able to negotiate for many years and no changes for the better are visible.
Linkovich Chumovsky

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21 February 2023 01: 55

Gordian knot, in a word. Only now, not knowing how to untie it, why was it necessary to tie it?
Alexey Lan

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21 February 2023 18: 37

It is quite obvious that if the watershed line between the troops passes along the Dnieper, then Odessa, Nikolaev and possibly Kharkov regions can be annexed to Russia after a referendum. The rest must represent the occupation zone with the laws of the Russian Federation for an indefinite period. In the future, it is possible to organize the East Ukrainian Autonomous Republic within the Russian Federation.
Semyon Sukhov

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26 February 2023 20: 38

The article is nonsense with a mass of statements that are neither facts nor truth, on which conclusions are built, the price of which is not even three kopecks ...
I suppose that any "independent" state of Ukraine, within any borders, not occupied forever by the troops and police of the Russian Federation, will pose a danger to Russia .... Therefore, I draw the appropriate conclusions. There is no historical justification for the existence of this state.
Everyone can make their own assumptions, just don't pass them off as truth...