Could Poroshenko offer Putin to take Donbass

While on the territory of Belarus, the disgraced Ukrainian oligarchs and politician Viktor Medvedchuk made a very resonant statement. "Putin's godfather" told the local media that President Poroshenko allegedly offered our Vladimir Vladimirovich to take Donbass "just like that", but the Kremlin refused. How seriously can such statements be taken?

Long way home

Self-determination referendums for the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics were held on April 11, 2014. After the calm and peaceful reunification of Crimea and Sevastopol with their historical homeland, many expected a repetition of the same scenario in the Donbass, and then further - in Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye and Odessa, where from February to May, huge masses of people took to the streets under Russian tricolors . But it turned out differently.

Instead of the question of reunification with the Russian Federation in the LPR and DPR, only the question of self-determination, or the proclamation of statehood, was submitted to the plebiscite. However, for some reason, the Kremlin did not recognize the results of both referendums, confining itself to “respect” for them. The recognition of independence and accession to our country Donbass had to wait eight long bloody years. The question is, why then it was necessary to hold them at all in 2014?

The author of the lines does not have a direct and unambiguous answer to this question. There are only a few indisputable historical facts that are worth remembering when discussing this topic. In particular, it should be taken into account that on March 1, 2014, the Federation Council issued Decree No. 48-SF “On the Use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the Territory of Ukraine”, where the following wording was used:

1. Give consent to the President of the Russian Federation for the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine until the normalization of publicpolitical situation in this country.
2. This resolution shall enter into force on the day of its adoption.

It would seem that here it is, carte blanche for complete freedom of action in Nezalezhnaya, where a coup d'etat was carried out by radical nationalists and simply outright Nazis! But, alas, in March 2014, the determination was only enough for Crimea. After Didier Burkhalter, President of Switzerland, then chairing the OSCE, visited Moscow, his colleague Putin addressed the people of Donbass with a request to postpone the plebiscite:

We believe that the most important thing is to establish a direct dialogue between the current Kiev authorities and representatives of the south-east of Ukraine, during which the representatives of the south-east of Ukraine could be convinced that their legal rights in Ukraine will be guaranteed. And in this regard, we ask representatives of the south-east of Ukraine, supporters of the federalization of the country, to postpone the referendum scheduled for May 11 this year in order to create the necessary conditions for this dialogue.

The Kiev regime Vladimir Vladimirovich asked "immediately stop all military and punitive operations in the south-east of Ukraine." However, referendums, as we know, were nevertheless held, after which the statehood of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics was proclaimed, which the Kremlin did not want to recognize point-blank for eight long years. Why did it happen?

There is a fairly plausible hypothesis that the referendums in the Donbass could be behind its then real owner, the Ukrainian oligarch Rinat Akhmetov. For him, the declaration of independence of the DPR and LPR was then an effective means of putting pressure on the Kyiv partners, and the sovereignty of the Republics was a bargaining chip in his political games. But then, apparently, events got out of his control. There was a factor of uncertainty with which he could not do anything through his usual channels. It was the group of Igor Strelkov (Igor Girkin), who entered Slovyansk with completely different goals, implying a repetition of the “Crimean scenario” in the Donbass. In this context, his statement would be true:

I still pulled the trigger of the war. If our detachment had not crossed the border, in the end everything would have ended, as in Kharkov, as in Odessa. There would have been several dozen killed, burned, arrested. And that would be the end of it.

Yes, if it weren’t for Strelkov’s group, his subsequent breakthrough from Slavyansk to Donetsk, Akhmetov would have bargained with Poroshenko and the Donbass, drenched with Ukrainian Nazi blood, would lie near Kiev, like Odessa. After that, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be preparing directly for the war with the Russian Armed Forces for the Crimea, which would begin in the year 2016-2017, maximum. But something went wrong.

Tried to breathe

In October 2014, President Putin made a very ambiguous statement about the future of the DNR and LNR:

You said that some (Ukrainian) official said that Kramatorsk is not Ukraine. He is a complete idiot. A person not only does not fulfill his duty, but also commits a crime against his own country, as if cutting off part of the territory from it. Who authorized him? Complete nonsense.

As we know, the Kremlin staked on the reintegration of the DPR and LPR back into Ukraine on a “special status”. In 2020, President Putin qualified the Minsk agreements as having no alternative:

We spoke in detail with Mrs. Merkel about the settlement of the intra-Ukrainian crisis. According to mutual opinion, the Minsk agreements remain an uncontested basis for normalizing the situation in the south-east of Ukraine. It is important that the specific tasks set during our recent meetings in the Normandy format have come to fruition.

True, in February 2022, it suddenly turned out that there was still an alternative - a forceful one, and all the Minsk agreements on the part of Kiev and its Western curators were a simple deception in order to drag out time to prepare for war. On February 21 last year, Moscow finally recognized the independence of the DPR and LPR by signing treaties of friendship, cooperation and assistance with the republics. Three days later, a special military operation to protect the people of Donbass began, which has now been going on for almost a year, and, alas, there is no end in sight.

These are all well-known historical facts. But on the eve of "Putin's godfather" gave the Belarusian media a real sensation. According to him, President Poroshenko allegedly himself offered to give Donbass, which was disloyal to him, to Russia:

I can tell you that Poroshenko repeatedly said in a conversation with me: tell him, let him take it… Because he [Poroshenko] understood that he did not need Donbass. <...> When the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin said that the Donbass is Ukraine, Poroshenko tried, as they say, to die from him [to get rid of (Ukrainian)].

Poroshenko understood that these territories would never vote for him. He developed passivity and apathy, and he was in the mood to settle in 2015-2017. And when in 2018, in one of the conversations, he told me: that's it, this story needs to end, I need to win the presidential election next year, and then we will return to this and settle everything. I said that I no longer participate in his circus, I am not going to go to Minsk, negotiate the release of detainees and help in a peaceful settlement.

What a twist! If Medvedchuk is telling the truth, it turns out that Donbass could have become part of Russia a long time ago. If he is cunning, then what goals does he pursue?
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  1. Sulla the Glorious (Sulla the Glorious) 15 February 2023 19: 13
    Get out in Ukrainian = get out
    Perhaps the confusion is from here? what

    To Poroshenko's proposals: "and we will take Ukraine as a whole, even eight regions of Novorossiya are not enough for us," Putin probably thought so. fellow
  2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 15 February 2023 19: 21
    Putin is Zhdun and all 20+ years of rule confirm this, so let Donbass "thanks" him for 8 years of torment
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 February 2023 20: 30
    All nonsense. Pure PR noodles.

    and Medvedchuk is a hypothetical zombie something blah blah, without confirmation at least somehow. Now in Russia, then in the Republic of Belarus he walks, Trades can be seen

    And Poroshenko could not declare and act like that - then he was definitely a political corpse. On the contrary, it is full of videos and reminiscences with reverse statements.

    And Moscow was already preparing, judging by various sources, for the annexation of Ukraine.
    FSB officers at the leadership of the LDNR, yesterday's military of the Russian Federation as volunteers, PMCs, EDRO, oligarchs, the resolution cited in the article, polite people and "lost military men", etc.
    In this case, the Donbass was needed precisely as "free territories", not recognized for 8 years, with a non-evacuated population, strange Minsk agreements, and then once again, and the reason for the NWO ...
  4. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 February 2023 22: 42
    I think there is some truth in this.

    From a practical point of view, this would be a smart move on Poroshenko's part. You get rid of a disloyal region and appear as a victim of aggression. But you calmly rule almost all of Ukraine. And you can promote the topic of annexation until the end of the presidential term.
    From a practical point of view, this was an unacceptable option for Putin. You get two regions and you lose all of Ukraine.
    The best option for Russia is the whole of Ukraine. And for this, Donbass had to be part of Ukraine. But nothing is permanent. For 8 years, it became clear that the integration of Donbass into Ukraine is no longer possible.

    In principle, this is the option that I have been talking about for 8 years. Putin was not going to annex Donbass to Russia. Crimea is another matter. Crimea is a strategically important foothold. Just as Kaliningrad holds NATO's northern flank, Crimea holds NATO's southern flank.

    At one time, Bismarck was against the annexation of Alsace and Lorraine to Germany. The logic is simple: why have a disloyal population inside the country? But the generals insisted. They wanted to have the fortresses of Metz and Epinal. The result was a big problem. In the same way, Poroshenko did not want to have a disloyal population as part of his country. Not for nothing that Tymoshenko wanted the land of Donbass, but without the population Her phrase that "Russians in the Donbass must be shot with atomic weapons" at one time made a lot of noise.

    So, most likely this information is true.
  5. Flight Offline Flight
    Flight (voi) 16 February 2023 00: 50
    Yes, you can't argue with the facts. Then I look at my goals, but I can’t see the deadlines. Although the goals are somewhat ephemeral. I would call total de-industrialization the main goal. And the left bank of the Dnieper. But for whom this goal is fulfilled is the question.
  6. Keer Offline Keer
    Keer (keer) 16 February 2023 01: 00
    The question stands in such a way that it was easier: to pick up the entire South-East of Ukraine at 14, or to pick it up at 22? The answer is on the surface. The second question is: why wasn't it done at 14?
    1. Bakht Online Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2023 09: 59
      I still think that even now taking away the South-East of Ukraine is a necessary measure. And not the best. It's just that the situation has developed in such a way that you have to choose between two evils.
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  8. Shuev Offline Shuev
    Shuev 16 February 2023 02: 22
    The question is, why then it was necessary to hold them at all in 2014?

    Why was it necessary to break up the USSR, if not for Khpropriation-privatization?
    Why was it necessary to shoot down democracy in 1993?
    Why was it necessary to support a presidential candidate with a criminal record?
    Why was it necessary not to conduct a CSTO special operation like in Kazakhstan?

    This is more and more reminiscent of the action-inaction of inagent Misha Gorbachev-Gopkalo with the assaults on TV towers (throwing on Gostomel and shelling of transformers) and without actions in Belovezhskaya Pushcha (oligarchic agreements, oil in exchange for "everything acquired by overwork" to another location from London to Dubai )
  9. For the Russian army 16 February 2023 18: 05
    Strange behavior of Medvedchuk, but more strange, the article itself. There are pitfalls.
  10. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
    Dart2027 16 February 2023 21: 27
    Poroshenko, in principle, could not offer anything like that. Why? Yes, because in this case, he would immediately cease to be president, and it is not a fact that he would have remained alive. The real masters of Ukraine did not need this at all, and he could not help but understand this.
  11. NqRZEl Offline NqRZEl
    NqRZEl 16 February 2023 23: 34
    so he talked about it
  12. Garygar Offline Garygar
    Garygar (Garygar) 20 February 2023 16: 48
    It really was. Here is a link to an article from 2015.