The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" can grow into a destroyer and a light cruiser

February 8 2023 23

One of the most serious problems of the Russian Navy can be called an acute shortage of ships of the 1st rank, capable of performing combat missions in the far sea and ocean zones. Nothing has been heard about the promising project of the Leader super destroyer for a long time. Plugging the holes in the Russian Navy is now due to the deep modernization of the old Soviet BOD project 1155 / 1155.1 and cruisers of project 1144 Orlan. Will we wait for modern destroyers or even cruisers as part of the Russian Navy?

Frigates

A few days ago came great news. An additional six frigates of project 22350 and 22350M will be built at the Amur Shipyard. The decision to transfer part of the orders to the Far East, where the “sisterships” of the lead ship of the Admiral Gorshkov series will serve in the Pacific Fleet, can only be welcomed, since the Northern Shipyard clearly could not cope with the required pace of construction.

Currently, ten frigates of project 22350 are being built in St. Petersburg at once. The total displacement of each such ship reaches 5400 tons, the cruising range is 4500 miles, the maximum speed is 29,5 knots, autonomy is 30 days. The first four ships in this series can carry 16 Caliber-NK, Onyx or Zircon missiles, to choose from, which can hit sea and ground targets. To combat enemy submarines, Russian frigates are equipped with Paket and Otvet anti-submarine systems and Ka-27 anti-submarine helicopters.

Interestingly, from the fifth ship in the series, they will carry enhanced strike weapons - 32 missiles instead of 16, like the lead Admiral Gorshkov. The modern air defense system "Polyment-Redut" with ammunition for 32 anti-aircraft missiles with a range of 150 kilometers is responsible for air defense. The Russian frigates of project 22350 are quite serious multi-purpose URO ships of the 1st rank, capable of operating in the near and far sea zones.

Destroyers

Formally, the future destroyer of the Russian Navy was supposed to be project 23560 "Leader". Its total displacement is 17-19 thousand tons, the maximum speed is 32 knots, the cruising range is unlimited due to the use of a nuclear power plant. The armament of either a destroyer or a cruiser should be represented by 64 Caliber-NK, Onyx or Zircon missiles, anti-submarine - by the Package-NK complex and two Ka-27PL helicopters, anti-aircraft - by the Poliment-Redut air defense system , ZRPK "Pantsir-M" and even a promising ship version of the S-400 / S-500 air defense system.

That's just there is a "Leader" so far only in the form of a layout and, most likely, it will remain so. Due to the high complexity and cost of the project, which starts from 100 billion rubles per ship, according to the head of the USC Rakhmanov, the project of the destroyer / cruiser 23560 will not be implemented in such a chic form.

The role of a promising Russian destroyer is rightfully claimed by the project 22350M with a total displacement increased to 8500 tons. Its cruising range will increase to 7000 miles, and its maximum speed will be up to 30 knots. In addition to 64 anti-aircraft missiles, the frigate, which has grown in size by one and a half times and has actually turned into a destroyer, will carry not 32, but 48 Caliber-NK, Onyx or Zircon attack missiles, and not one, but two anti-submarine helicopters at once. Project 22350M destroyers will probably be built at the Severnaya Shipyard in the new slipway.

The exact number of ships of this type that the Russian Navy will receive is still unknown, but the Northern and Pacific Fleets, as well as the Black Sea Fleet, will need at least two of them for operations in the Mediterranean, more is better.

Light cruiser?

Interestingly, the 22350M project may well serve as a platform for the creation of a promising Russian light cruiser. Rumors circulate in the near-war press that the Super-Gorshkov can grow even more in terms of total displacement, up to 9-10 thousand tons. And it will be a very serious transformation. On the one hand, this will lead to an increase in its value from 25-35 billion rubles apiece to 35-45 billion.

On the other hand, this will move the ship from destroyers to actually light cruisers. For comparison: the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, the project 1164 missile cruiser Moskva, which died last year, had a total displacement of 11 tons. The enlarged hull will make it possible to place more attack missiles on the Super-Gorshkov, but most importantly, a more powerful long-range sea-based air defense system, which was previously intended for the Leader. The foreign specialized publication Military Watch, citing its sources, reported that Project 420M ships could be equipped with 22350N40 anti-aircraft missiles, originally developed for ground-based S-6 air defense systems, or 400M9MD, intended for the S-82V300 army air defense system.

This, in fact, will turn the grown destroyers into light cruisers capable of hitting sea and land targets at a distance of up to 1000 kilometers and carrying out air interception within a radius of up to 400 kilometers. At the same time, for the price of one "Leader" it will be possible to get two multi-purpose warships of project 22350M, of the same type as destroyers and frigates, which will greatly simplify their construction and subsequent maintenance.

Sergey Marzhetsky

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Sergey Latyshev

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8 February 2023 16: 20

It may grow, it may not grow...
The difficulty is that 2 small ships can sail to 2 places, and one large ship can only go to one .....
zzdimk

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8 February 2023 16: 34

Will they grow from the sides or randomly?
Afinogen

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8 February 2023 16: 52

The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" can grow into a destroyer and a light cruiser

Class Maybe it will grow to an aircraft carrier and you don’t have to guess whether it’s worth building them or not (however expensive) And then I planed the frigates. Here's a destroyer and a cruiser, beauty. And if you want, you can grow an aircraft carrier out of it. Here I understood the main thing to believe.
Boa kaa

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8 February 2023 18: 24

It seems to me that there will be a new classification of the NK Navy. Cruisers and destroyers will give way to UNIVERSAL attack ships of the 1st-2nd rank, which will solve a wide range of tasks depending on the weapons loaded into the UKKS. The trend has already been set. So, for example, the Chinese EM type 055, the Americans consider a "cruiser". Yes, and on our mortgage boards of the new building (corvettes pr.20380, for example) they already write: - "Multi-purpose ship, subclass -" corvette "...
So, let's not rush. Let's wait for the decision "from above". From there, as you know, you can see better.
AHA.
Vladimir80

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8 February 2023 18: 35

If we do not solve the problem of the security of such ships from naval drones and stealth missiles, then we will waste all the money and time ...
1. Vladimir Tuzakov
  
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  8 February 2023 21: 00
  
  I completely agree, we have nothing to go to distant zones so far, to provide protection for our shores .. Here, frigates of 32 launchers are sufficient. It is the United States that must constantly cross the ocean, where loading with the necessary things is needed for a long time, therefore they cannot do without large ships. Measure according to your needs, and not imitate, as always, the enemy.
Flight

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9 February 2023 00: 34

As you call the ship, so it will sail. Or go. Or run.
In general, the task is serious, here you need to approach in detail, without fuss. It would be nice, to solve this problem, to provide liqueurs and snacks. Paper is available. Curvimeter too.
syndicalist

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9 February 2023 07: 03

"And then he will grow from a foreman to a minister"
Vladimir1155

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9 February 2023 07: 54

some kind of nonsense, they stupidly continue to cut people's money on not very necessary ships, destroyed not by one missile like the cruiser Moscow, but by two missiles
Victor Surname

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9 February 2023 07: 59

And will it grow to Abramovich's yacht?
Potapov

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9 February 2023 09: 51

In front of our eyes, first the destruction of the fleet ... Now, with the same steers - the restoration of the fleet ... From small missile ships, corvettes to destroyers, frigates, cruisers ... And no one except the "Moscow" suffered, did not answer for their exploits. ..
Shuev

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9 February 2023 10: 23
The frigate "Misha Gopkalo Perestroika" can grow into a light cruiser

Fleet conversion to new port of destination is just beginning (London-Dubai)
The comment was deleted.
Kuramori Reika

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9 February 2023 12: 45

I'm more surprised where they get so many people to serve on the ships and maintain them. This is 250 trained people per ship. And if the mental capabilities of admirals are the same as those of retired generals, if in 20 years they have also learned only to sharpen show-offs and march in parades, then the number will not matter. They should start recruiting people with increased mental capabilities into the officers, this will increase combat capability much more.
Michael 68

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9 February 2023 14: 10

Of course, Russia needs new ships. But the question is in their combat use. So far, the experience of the NVO has shown that the fleet is an auxiliary branch of the military. All they could do was drown Moscow. We laughed at Ukraine. And can anyone tell how many admirals we have in the fleet. What exactly did these admirals do. Except of course getting salaries and bonuses. For the Black Sea Fleet. As for me, the first thing to do is to cut all these admirals. Leave one commander. The rest are not higher than the captain of the first rank. And then we do not spit. Solid senior officers. And how to business. That lieutenants and captains are responsible for everything. Until they put things in order in the frames. Building new ships is a waste of money.
1. Vladimir1155
  
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  10 February 2023 09: 25
  
  I agree, cutting money and allowances, the closed seas of the Baltic Black and Caspian and Japanese, where the surface fleet is totally incompetent due to the enemy’s coastal anti-ship missiles, needs to be reduced, but in the Soviet bloated Gorshkov state, vice admirals command there, in terms of the level this corresponds to some deputy defense ministers , and he could command there and cap once, well, as a last resort, taking into account the coastal troops and aviation, the rear admiral, vice admirals should command on the oceans, it is necessary to close and convert unnecessary naval bases into supply points: Vladivostok (there the sea is shot through and the entire fleet will be locked in base), Novorossiysk (why? If there is Sevastopol) and Baltiysk (located on the principle of the Warsaw Pact, and now it will be completely destroyed in the first minutes of the war). You need to develop on the oceans, and not in closed puddles
  1. Nelton
    
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    10 February 2023 10: 47
    
    In my amateurish opinion, it is necessary to build a nuclear submarine base somewhere between the mouth of the Amur and Magadan, with a railway approach, and be on duty mainly in the Sea of Okhotsk.
    And to make bases in a serious, bunker type. with an exit from the bunker in a submerged position.
    Yes, a 5t concrete-piercing bomb will break through a bunker (but this is not certain), but dropping a 5t bomb from above is not for you to launch a tomahawk ...
    And the tasks of the rest of the fleet are to prevent the presence of Virginia / Los Angeles in the same Sea of \uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbOkhotsk.
    Perhaps there is something similar in the Gulf of Ob, there is already a railway there.
    
    And as it is now, to base nuclear submarines at open piers, and 150 km from a NATO country (Gadzhiyevo), with uncovered approaches from the sea (Vilyuchinsk) - this is not prudent ...
    1. Vladimir1155
      
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      17 February 2023 10: 31
      
      I support, I’ll add, but the old nuclear submarine bases need to be retrofitted with air defense and anti-aircraft defense (for which not only use underwater systems, but also transfer ALL corvettes and Varyag frigates there) strengthen coastal aviation there, make at least light metal canopies over the piers covered with polycarbonate, and more than Nuclear submarine, so that the enemy does not know under which one it is, develop nuclear submarine bases from Arkhangelsk to Murmansk to increase their number
Sergey3939

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9 February 2023 15: 11

I want to note that on the 22350M frigates, in the 3S14 launch complex, they plan to place missiles with a range of 400 km, and this is the performance characteristics of the missiles of the S 400 complex. Not 10, but 7 buildings are in different stages of construction and one building is being prepared for laying and one is planned to be transferred fleet in March 2023
For the construction of frigates 22350M, the modernization of the boathouse into two buildings has been tortured for several years. Another promise to deliver this year. As soon as they surrender, they will lay two hulls of the 22350M frigate there.
According to the Amur Plant, it will be known only after the signing of the contract at the exhibition, Army 2023, most likely it will be frigates 22350 (4 for the Pacific Fleet).
zenion

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9 February 2023 17: 00

If you put several tugs in front and behind, then the ship can be stretched to the size of a battleship. Even if you call it a battleship, it will feel much more combative. He can even start hunting blue whales, what to be afraid of, he is already a battleship.
Storm_2022

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10 February 2023 01: 21

It would be quite nice if the frigates were built by three shipyards, Severnaya Verf, Amursky SZ and Yantar and built the SAME frigates pr 22350 of the second series (with launchers for 32 cells).
Starting the construction of either destroyers or cruisers, pr. 22350 M with an as yet unknown displacement, an unknown power plant, incomprehensible combat characteristics, an undetermined price, non-existing weapon systems, this is a real "budget drank" !!!
In some century, Russia had a real opportunity to build a large series, about 30 units. I would like more warships of the same type (12 units of the Pacific Fleet, 12 units of the Northern Fleet, 6 units of the Black Sea Fleet), but even this series would be a real breakthrough for the domestic fleet.
In parallel, you should continue to build corvettes pr. 20380/385, bringing the series to at least 36 units. (12 units of the Pacific Fleet, 12 units of the Northern Fleet, 6 units of the Black Sea Fleet, 6 units of the Baltic Fleet), the presence of Onyxes and Zircons on corvettes is a rather controversial issue, but a significant increase in anti-submarine capabilities due to the installation of promising sonar is an urgent need, especially for corvettes Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet "escorting" submarine missile carriers from bases to combat patrols and back.
Launchers of anti-ship missiles Uranus should have been replaced with a universal TLU with a capacity of 12-16 cells for Caliber and Otvet anti-submarine missile torpedoes.
1. Vladimir1155
  
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  10 February 2023 09: 31
  
  in general, it’s right to continue the series, and not scatter it into new projects that differ from the previous ones only in size, but at first you want to break the fleet into small pieces? Moscow is not enough for you? how much I wrote remove it from the Black Sea Fleet, they did not listen to me. At the Black Sea Fleet and Baltic Fleet, those frigates and corvettes that are there are redundant, they are destroyed by coastal missiles as quickly as Moscow, all frigates and corvettes are only to the North and Kamchatka! let's finally create real fleets strong and having real combat missions!
Sulla the Glorious

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15 February 2023 16: 09

Quote: Athenogen
The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" can grow into a destroyer and a light cruiser

Class Maybe it will grow to an aircraft carrier and you don’t have to guess whether it’s worth building them or not (however expensive) And then I planed the frigates. Here's a destroyer and a cruiser, beauty. And if you want, you can grow an aircraft carrier out of it. Here I understood the main thing to believe.

You look, soon the ships will start to BREED!
Flight

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17 February 2023 04: 47

And with a slight movement of the hand, in ooo rf, there will be more for one cruiser.