Project "tandem": how the trash talk of Strelkov and Prigogine can end

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One of the hottest domestic political topics of the last days of our country is how Igor Ivanovich and Evgeny Viktorovich quarreled in absentia, and then Dmitry Olegovich added fuel to the fire. The online quarrel between Strelkov, Prigozhin and Rogozin may end in nothing, but it may also have far-reaching consequences.

Word for word, helmet on the table


Igor Ivanovich Strelkov (Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin) occupies a completely exceptional place in the Russian publicpolitical life. The ex-Minister of Defense of the DPR stood at the origins of the declaration of independence of the people's republics of Donbass and the beginning of the open stage of the armed conflict in Ukraine. If it were not for Strelkov and his campaign against Slavyansk, the war between Russia and Ukraine over Crimea would have begun already in 2016-2017.



Unfortunately, even the most negative forecasts of Igor Ivanovich, regularly expressed by him since 2014, tend to come true. That is why his comments on the course of the SVO, sometimes very harsh and impartial, even crossing the line of decency, are listened to and discussed very carefully. So far, the state repressive machine has avoided touching him, drawing additional attention to him by the general public, turning him into a martyr. It is possible that the fact that Strelkov himself is a native of the FSB, where he may receive some kind of tacit patronage from former colleagues who sympathize with his active national-oriented state position, also plays a certain role. But this is just a private assumption.

Igor Ivanovich's last comment, made about the specifics of the actions of the Wagner PMC, became the reason for his public squabble with the founder of this paramilitary structure:

This is an excellent assault infantry, which is simply mediocrely placed in frontal attacks - in Soledar, Bakhmut, and so on. It is possible and necessary to find much more effective use for this infantry! I don’t know how much it is financed by Prigogine himself, most likely only through him. In addition, I believe that Prigozhin's statements indicate that a person with his background as a criminal and a servant should not be allowed into the public field of the Russian Federation, so as not to demonstrate the properties of his character.

As often happens, a fragment was torn out of the general context of the statement and offended by it. For some reason, one of the commanders of the “musicians” thought that Strelkov “ran into” his fighters:

Sofa expert, thanks to which we have to fight back those cities that were surrendered in 2014. As for his insulting phrases in relation to PMC "Wagner", Strelkov behaves like the last coward and scoundrel, he makes his statements from a warm studio, and not at the forefront.

To this, Igor Ivanovich explained that he did not insult the “musicians” in any way, on the contrary, he had a high opinion of their fighting qualities, and his attack was addressed personally to the founder of the PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin. Yevgeny Viktorovich did not remain at a loss and invited Strelkov to join the ranks of Wagner not in his last position:

I, as the senior head of the Wagner PMC, invite Mr. Girkin to the front to check the correctness of his position and use, as he stated, his combat experience.

I suggest that he arrive on the territory of the LPR to be appointed to a senior position, according to his competence, in one of the assault units. Of course, no one will be able to offer him a high position, for this it is necessary to show his capabilities. It's time to move from words to deeds.

Note that this is not the first time Igor Ivanovich has been asked about joining the ranks of PMCs. He has already tried three times to return to fight in the Donbass, at least as a private, and all these attempts ended in a fiasco. After that, Strelkov declared that he would no longer beat his forehead against a closed door and would go to the front only if he himself was asked to do so, moreover, to a command position corresponding to his experience. As for the Wagner line, according to Igor Ivanovich, as a former secret serviceman, he has questions about the real goals of its founder, a prominent businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin. In one of his interviews, after the third attempt to get into the Donbass, Strelkov directly said that he would join the PMC when he received complete clarity on all these issues.

We describe it in detail so that further events are clear. The preliminary response of the ex-minister of the DPR was as follows:

I believe that this kind of proposal should NOT be made through the public media. Or, since they have already been announced, they should be backed up and developed by negotiations in the normal mode, i.e. through the official representatives of Wagner PMC, which, I believe, are more than enough in Moscow (or at least in St. Petersburg). So far, I have not received any specific proposals, I can only say that I will be ready to consider them in the above version of normal business negotiations with military employees of PMCs. Nothing more, nothing less.

My phone number is known to half of the media holdings of the Russian Federation, and I think it is not difficult for Mr. Prigogine and his staff to recognize it. I am not ready to go to the LPR (I was there as late as the end of November last year) only to listen to proposals that may be obviously unacceptable for me.

The intermediate result of the skirmish was that Prigozhin appointed Andrey Troshev as a “negotiator” with Strelkov, who had already been noted for public criticism of the former special service officer. This gave him reason to assume that no one expects real consent from him to join the ranks of Wagner. Nevertheless, Igor Ivanovich said that he was open to negotiations with PMCs.

And everything would be fine, but then Dmitry Rogozin, who received a shell fragment in the Shesh-Besh Donetsk restaurant, got into public negotiations from a hospital bed:

Girkin, it's good to scratch your tongue, come on, to the front line. You, in Bosnia, I remember, all the time thought up why something was preventing you from working. Didn't get to the front, here's a chance for you. Show that you are a man. If you have any questions, you know how to find me in Donetsk. I'm already here. But in the LPR they are waiting for you, go ahead, bro.

However, for some reason, among his comrades-in-arms in Bosnia, Igor Ivanovich could not remember Dmitry Olegovich, who was slashed from the back by shrapnel.

Thrash current


Why do we retell in such detail the main twists and turns of these showdowns between Prigogine and Strelkov? In big politics, show business and professional sports, there is such a thing as trash-talk, or dirty talk. It is used ostensibly to intimidate an opponent or opponent, but in fact - to attract the attention of the press. The public begins to closely follow the verbal conflict, the media ratings grow, and as a result, the producers collect cash.

Rogozin’s entry into a skirmish between Strelkov and Prigozhin only testifies to his desire to hype and show off old military exploits. But why is all this to Igor Ivanovich and Evgeny Viktorovich?

The simplest explanation sounds like two adult men "hooked on their tongues" and decided to measure the size of their ego, authority and something else. However, something else is also possible.

Recall that after his third unsuccessful attempt to return to the Donbass, Strelkov said that now he had no special options but to go into politics. About the possible prospects for his political career, we detail reasoned previously. At the same time, both Prigogine himself and the people behind him are clearly trying on what will happen after Putin, who, perhaps, will not use his right to run for another extraordinary presidential term in 2024. Due to certain nuances of his biography, Yevgeny Viktorovich cannot run for the post of head of state, but he is able to act as a "purse". We recently detailed told about the fact that Prigozhin is de facto acting as the new Minin, and they wondered who Pozharsky would then become.

It is possible that this public trash talk is a kind of prelude to the real return of the ex-minister of defense of the DPR to the Donbass and his subsequent transition to big politics. Prigozhin is an oligarch, but Strelkov is never a leftist, as he himself said, and in principle they have nothing to share. Both stand on active pro-Russian positions, so nothing is impossible in their future "tandem". But it is not exactly.
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  1. +6
    27 January 2023 15: 40
    The author accurately noted that "big uncles measure their dignity" That Strelkov and Prigozhin are two parts of one whole. Both in the current situation the country needs. And their quarrel (or whatever) does not benefit the cause in any way, especially since point-blank I do not see any insurmountable contradictions between them.
    1. +1
      29 January 2023 08: 33
      There is another version. Prigozhin's last attack (I treat him very well) with vigorous swearing at Strelkov at first surprised, then made me think. So to "themselves" do not invite. This means that Prigogine cannot and does not want to see him at home. Why?

      And if Prigozhin was "asked" to arrange a "hot trench" for Strelkov (not to kill, no ... by no means) ... only to "arrange"? How to discourage Strelkov from the "invitation"? Correctly. Make an offer that Girkin can only refuse...

  2. -3
    27 January 2023 15: 45
    All nonsense.
    Any hype is a plus for Prigozhin - he is taken out into the public field, despite the obvious and open violation of the laws of the Russian Federation.
    It remains only to change the laws for him ....

    Strelkov is also a plus. While he is well-known, it is more difficult to set him up for some kind of provocation and allows him to somehow live independently, without agreeing to the Kremlin (for a good pay, of course, as many other polished "experts" do)

    Well, everything is clear with Rogozin.
    1. +1
      29 January 2023 00: 40
      it is more difficult to substitute him for some kind of provocation

      why set him up - he will do everything himself when it is impatient for the authorities ...
      the same trip to the Donbass suggests that no one is going to "touch" him ...
      otherwise they would have issued him and let him fight, where he would have died with success ...
      but the tops don't need it... for now...
      He seems to have a different mission...
      who puts it to him - that's the question ... :)
      those. the question "whose will you be?" - remains open...
  3. +6
    27 January 2023 15: 57
    Fir-trees! Classic! ... roll! "The gentlemen are fighting, the serfs' forelocks are cracking!" Why is there such a dumb reality in the country ... when Russia is great, and there is no one to elect for president!?
  4. +2
    27 January 2023 17: 17
    Curious version! Although, on the other hand, what kind of politician is Strelkov? A successful politician, in theory, should enjoy, albeit tacit, the support of the people, the electorate. Girkin, I suspect, does not shine. If you follow the lists of the party, then it is quite possible, but this means being a functionary, this is unlikely to suit Girkin, and, in my humble opinion, he is not suitable for leadership.
    Another thing is if he acts in the usual role of a troublemaker and, perhaps, we are present at the formation and filling with people of the next type of party, toothy structure. The current ones, to put it mildly, are tired. There was an outlet in the form of the Liberal Democratic Party, which disappeared for a well-known reason, turning into a faded imprint on the political space. So something new, military-style, is quite refreshing
  5. +2
    27 January 2023 18: 10
    It seems that someone is playing Girkin blindly, using his patriotic position, and this someone is not very ours. My opinion.
  6. +2
    27 January 2023 19: 54
    It seems to me that these two figures are more antagonists than allies.
    If Strelkov is further promoted, then this will rather be a wake-up call for Prigozhin - he is being picked up a counterweight in the political and information field.
  7. 0
    27 January 2023 20: 08
    Sober coverage of the current situation, but this statement is unconvincing:

    If it were not for Strelkov and his campaign against Slavyansk, the war between Russia and Ukraine over Crimea would have begun already in 2016-2017

    At the same time, it is quite likely that:

    he may have some kind of unspoken patronage

    And yes, Rogozin in his role ... lol

    It is possible that this public trash talk is a kind of prelude to the real return of the ex-minister of defense of the DPR to the Donbass and his subsequent transition to big politics. Prigozhin is an oligarch, but Strelkov is never a leftist, as he himself said, and in principle they have nothing to share. Both stand on active pro-Russian positions, so nothing is impossible in their future "tandem"

    A return is not excluded, but the right "tandem" is better not needed ...
  8. +2
    27 January 2023 20: 11
    The author did not finish, and as usual, the main thing:

    At the age of only 20, in 1981, the future founder of the Wagner ChVG was convicted of robbery, robbery and fraud, the Zhdanovsky court of the city of Leningrad sentenced him to a rather severe punishment - 13 years in prison. The future businessman was serving his sentence in IK-3 of the Komi ASSR. But thanks to Gorbachev's amnesty in 1988, the term was reduced to 10 years, and in 1990 Prigozhin was released.

    https://dzen.ru/a/Y4eNT7eFPjKh44kR
    Prigozhin did not serve in the army! And he doesn’t even know what the Motherland is!

    In 2018, Vladimir Putin, in an interview with journalists (Megyn Kelly from NBC and Armin Wolf from ORF), confirmed that he personally knew Prigozhin, but denied his connection with the state, comparing Prigozhin to entrepreneur George Soros

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/
    All the steepness of Prigozhin is based on criminal lawlessness and support for Putin.
    They sent me a telegram today:

    Yesterday, the PMCs said that they would put a bag on Girkin's head, bring him and record a video with him .........

    Shooter combat officer who went through all the hot currents of the 90s! Prigozhin is a criminal who enjoys the patronage of Putin. Well, who should I trust?
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  10. -3
    28 January 2023 13: 39
    Why compare two incomparable personalities. E.Prigozhin created a successful army, which corrects the mistakes of the command of the RF Armed Forces. I. Strelkov launched and failed the operation to liberate Donbass when he had surprise and other conditions on his side .. But if he started hostilities, he had to calculate subsequent events, and he, like a narrow-minded provocateur, began hostilities without a guarantee of support, and of course it was broken. Then he just made excuses and criticized others. Conclusion: And it is better for Strelkov to keep quiet, because he failed military operations, and E Prigogine is fighting in a significant way, he is also defeating an order of magnitude stronger IED.
    1. +5
      28 January 2023 16: 23
      I'm not going to defend Strelkov, but you are quite unfamiliar with the situation or are deliberately distorting it

      like a stupid provocateur
      1. -2
        28 January 2023 20: 33
        They judge not by intentions, but by results. With regard to I. Strelkov, they are as follows. He began hostilities portraying "Minin and Pozharsky", but they didn't follow him, obviously a miscalculation. Who pushed for military action, it seems V. Surkov, who oversaw the Donbass from the Kremlin. His plan for a protracted war in the Donbass, then Ukraine will not be accepted into either the EU or NATO. But he thus created the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with rotation in the ATO, nurtured the hatred of Ukrainians for Russia for the thousands killed in the ATO, the cyborgs of the Donetsk airport, and so on. He created an opportunity for the Western media to portray the Russian Federation as an aggressor in the war in Donbass. Conclusion: And Strelkov became an accomplice in the essentially criminal acts of V. Surkov, which led to a full-scale SVO ..
        1. +2
          29 January 2023 16: 20
          Conclusion: And Strelkov became an accomplice in the essentially criminal acts of V. Surkov, which led to a full-scale SVO

          Interestingly, however, if your statement is true, not only they are guilty, but also a group of higher officials "here" and "there", don't you think? In addition, in any case, you clearly exaggerate the role of the PMC and its leader. There are only individual tactical successes, but even they became possible thanks to the support of the RF Armed Forces, which, strictly speaking, also bear the brunt of the NMD. No personal armies and guards, together with the militias, by themselves, could resist the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and even more so attack ...
          1. 0
            30 January 2023 20: 53
            The success of the Wagnerites in the initiative of the leadership to acquire the best technical means and weapons, act inventively and proactively on the front line, competently select commanders and conduct operations in coordination of all forces and means. For example, communication with the help of purchased Motorola products, etc., which clearly differs from the mossy and corrupt Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - according to many sources, such a statement is present, including S. Shoigu is mentioned as a corrupt official, etc. ... For comparison, space successes And, Mask and "trampoline" from ROSKOSMOS D. Rogozin. The difference is that the degree of corruption in I. Mask is an order of magnitude lower and efficiency is an order of magnitude higher than in the department of official D. Rogozin. And success on the face. That is the difference between PMC Wagner and the RF Armed Forces.
    2. -4
      28 January 2023 18: 50
      But what if Strelkov is not a counterweight, but a replacement?
      If suddenly a decision is made to appoint Strelkov to a command position in the "Wagner group", then this will end with the reformatting of the entire orchestra. This is at best. And at worst, there will be a collapse of the command.
      With his character, he will arrange forced marches along the rear of the enemy, where the musicians are now slowly and methodically advancing, making it possible to consolidate the conquered lines of fortifications.
  11. -4
    28 January 2023 19: 46
    According to the ex-Minister of Defense of the DPR, after Prigozhin's last speech, he changed his mind. According to Strelkov, a stream of "the most outright lies" was heard from the head of the PMC in his address. “I will not be able to serve under the leadership of a man who openly accused me of betraying Russia,” he said.

    As I expected, the historian-archivist-minister-blogger Girkin quietly merged under a far-fetched pretext.
    1. -1
      29 January 2023 16: 21
      Quite the opposite!
  12. 0
    29 January 2023 04: 24
    Project "tandem": how the trash talk of Strelkov and Prigogine can end.
    For whom? For Strelkov and Prigozhin, a personal scuffle, here I would bet on Strelkov, he seems to be trained, and if the crowd is, then Prigozhin has an advantage. And if we talk about politics, then both of them are muddy, deciders - yes, independent figures - rather not.
    I think so.
  13. -1
    29 January 2023 10: 27
    Strelkov is a coward and a scoundrel. He covers up his cowardice by slandering everyone and everything around him. and that's all, why play games with him, it's time to start a criminal case about discrediting our army.
  14. 0
    29 January 2023 19: 30
    https://vk.com/juchkovsky?w=wall151630709_123970%2Fall&ysclid=ldgd24zfqv392244368
    Alexander Zhuchkovsky
    yesterday 17: 11

    The situation, in my opinion, is obvious. Prigozhin imprudently invited Strelkov to Wagner - he wanted, as they say, "to take on a show off." Expecting that he would refuse under the pretext of unwillingness to personally obey Prigozhin, whom he, Strelkov, does not respect (which was clear from his previous speeches). However, Strelkov showed a willingness to step over a personal relationship and announced his readiness for business negotiations on joining the PMC. At this point, Prigozhin stalled, obviously regretting the proposal he had made (which initially sounded decent), and began to break into obscene language; it is possible that he was contacted by a higher level and informed that it was inadmissible to involve Strelkov. Prigozhin's rude emotional attacks were aimed at making Strelkov "get off topic" first. But he adhered to the chosen line of conduct and, as we learned today, even gave Wagner consent to come to the Donbass. Today, Prigozhin, obviously losing the game, decided to raise the level and descended to completely dirty insults and outright slander (about Akhmetov). As a result, he achieved his goal - Strelkov, of course, refused further negotiations and arrival in Wagner. Now Prigozhin's supporters will say that Strelkov "jumped", etc. In fact, Prigozhin, in an effort to discredit Strelkov, discredited himself, and now he looks indecent - an impulsive bully, a narrow-minded person of criminal culture. Strelkov proved himself as a Russian officer, as a man of honor
  15. -1
    29 January 2023 21: 32
    Strelkov is an FSB colonel, Putin is a KGB lieutenant colonel, and Prigozhin is a private. There is nothing further to talk about.
  16. -1
    30 January 2023 02: 37
    Hooked up like women. Even worse. Strelkov provocateur, campaigns against Slavyansk were not supported by anything, and then I had to call the "north wind". That's what it was? For a colonel of the special services, the case is unthinkable. And Prigozhin, he organized quite a high-quality PMC for himself, it is not necessary for him to have shoulder straps. And now his guys are quite up to par with the army. You have to judge by deeds. And then one broke firewood, we are still disentangling. Not that I want to say that this war would not have happened, but the Crimea has peacefully left. The Russian elite was not ready then to climb into Ukraine and take away territories. Again, they stood up near Mariupol, Akhmetov asked? What is now and why, what is being done for, is not clear. In any case, I did not expect such a quarrel from serious men. Ashamed!
  17. 0
    2 February 2023 17: 04
    trash talk, hype

    These garbage words, like a beacon-article, can not be read, it will be nonsense.