Great flattery to a false national feeling: what is the main secret of Ukrainian society


The end of 2022 gave food for thought, especially on the subject of which events and processes of the past year can be considered expected and which are unexpected.


What was expected and what was unexpected


Extremely expected were the complete lack of progress on the part of the Ukrainian authorities on the peaceful resolution of the civil war in Ukraine unleashed after 2014, provocations and preparations for a military escalation in the Donbass.

Extremely unexpected was the proactive start of the Russian Federation of a special military operation in Ukraine. The people of Donbass have been waiting for this help for eight long years. This is the first large-scale foreign policy action of the Russian Federation, which can partly be considered preventive. Until February 2022, external policy Russia in the global sense was quite passive, very soft and compliant.

It was unexpected only for Washington unfortunate analysts that the people of Russia were quite loyal to the need and justification for hostilities, did not take to the streets at the behest of pocket oppositionists, including because of sanctions, economic difficulties, the notorious "brand departure".

Unexpectedly, it turned out that the assessments of the military-political and economic potential of the Russian Federation, both by the majority of Western analysts and by many of ours, were erroneous. They agreed that the military potential of the Russian Federation is much higher than the economic one, so the United States and NATO countries built their confrontation strategy in Ukraine along the line of exerting maximum economic pressure on Russia. After all, in the final analysis, a military clash is a clash of economies, rear services.

In practice, the opposite turned out, the economic potential of the Russian Federation withstood the pressure without any problems, and many issues had to be resolved on the battlefields: change tactics, retreat somewhere, revise approaches, study, conduct partial mobilization, introduce new effective practices. However, other unexpected factors also played a role.

It turned out unexpectedly that all fashionable trends in military science and military doctrines gave way to the good old principles of military art, which had proven themselves back in the Great Patriotic War. Although drones and new high-precision Technology play an increasingly important role, the “god of war” is still barreled and rocket artillery. The cult marches of the Red Army have not lost their relevance: “March of artillerymen”, “March of tankmen”, “March of aviators”.

Quite unexpected is the fact that the US relatively easily dragged the EU into a confrontation with Russia. The governments of most European countries in every sense went against the interests of their states, obligingly sold out to America to the detriment of their peoples and their economy. There was something like a conspiracy between the American and European oligarchy against ordinary Europeans, whose well-being was decided to be sacrificed at this stage of the new Cold War for the preservation of US hegemony.

It was quite expected that the policy of the European states led to the intensification of crisis phenomena, the energy crisis, inflation and the creeping deindustrialization of Europe. Now only one thing is not clear, whether the economic crisis will develop into a political crisis, whether the numerous strikes and rallies of Europeans will develop into a change of persons in power.

A certain split in Russian society cannot be called a surprise either: bohemians, part of the intelligentsia and the “middle class” actively and passively opposed the NWO. The kowtowing before the West and liberalism, characteristic of some sections of large cities and implanted over the past thirty years, have borne fruit. In the masses of the people, such a position causes a sharp rejection. These contradictions within society have escalated.

But, perhaps, the main surprise of the past year is that ordinary Ukrainians humbly accepted their role as cannon fodder for the American master. Ukrainian pseudo-patriotism somehow became the decisive factor in dragging out the NWO.

The main secret of Ukrainian society


I will not hide it, at the beginning of February 2022, I, like many others, was in complete confidence that if an ordinary Ukrainian soldier, not a Westerner, Bandera, Azov and other evil spirits, but an ordinary lad, looms the prospect of fighting the Russian army, then he he would rather lay down his arms, run away, surrender, go to court, than contract to die for "nenko". But here's how it turned out.

Despite all the numerous problems, devastating defeats and retreats, gigantic losses, the Ukrainian army is still holding its own. Ukrainian society endured the mass distribution of weapons, the terror of the Karbats, forced mobilization, the complete curtailment of all freedoms and the establishment of a tyrannical regime. And this is led by such dubious in every sense personalities as Zelensky and his team.

Let's imagine this hypothetical lad in a trench who speaks both Russian and Move. What does he think? What is his train of thought?

He perfectly understands the essence of Ukrainian power. There was a bad Yanukovych - a corrupt official, a weak leader and an accomplice of the oligarchs. It was thrown off during the Maidan by Westerners and fascists in order to establish "Western-style democracy" and move the country towards a bright and beautiful Europe. All this turned out to be a lie, in recent years Ukraine has been languishing from the revelry of the same oligarchy, the standard of living has fallen, the civil war has not faded away, no “Western turn” has taken place, no one in the West needs it. As a result, another henchman of the oligarchy, the comedian Zelensky, seized power, promising to smooth out the contradictions and achieve peace. No one really believed, but what if?

The lad does not respect the Ukrainian authorities, is in political despair and disorientation, as he sees no alternatives to get out of the situation. Now he is offered to lay down his head in battles with the Russian army, so what? So that evil Putin does not come and take Ukrainian cities into his hands. Suppose he treats Putin badly, he knows only negative information about the Russian government. Let him believe everything that Western propaganda says about Putin and the Russian Federation. But even in this case, he, an ordinary guy, does not really care what flag the Ukrainian cities will stand under. What difference does it make to him, a trident or a two-headed eagle? Russia does not oppress Ukrainians, does not ban the Ukrainian language, does not take away its property. Yes, he doesn't have it. What kind of independence of Ukraine can we talk about if it has been a dependent state throughout its short history. Even the very idea of ​​"moving to Europe" is the idea of ​​Ukraine's voluntary dependence on the EU. After all, there are Eastern European countries that also wanted to get into the EU and achieved their goal. Did they become richer, happier, more independent?

If we were talking about a fight with the Poles or the Germans, then it is clear that the lad would perceive it as an encroachment on his identity. But to fight the Russians - for what? To be praised from Washington? And after all, everyone understands that the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot, in principle, inflict any substantive military defeat on the Russian Federation, because Russia has a “nuclear cudgel” that will be used as a last resort.

In my opinion, the main factor that helped the Ukrainian authorities to chat up the Ukrainian layman was the “great” flattery of the false national feeling. “All of Europe is with us! America is with us! The whole world is with us!” they shouted every day. Apparently, such attention amuses the petty vanity of ordinary Ukrainians. Otherwise, it is impossible to explain how dill propaganda manages to manipulate the population with ridiculous fakes about the fact that Russian barbarians came to rob and rape peaceful Ukraine.

But besides, the main secret of Ukrainian society still remains the logic of an ordinary person who tolerates dependence on the United States, the Zelensky regime, is loyal to the need to “defend the fatherland” from Russia. What's on his mind? This is my appeal to readers, especially from Ukraine - share your thoughts on this.

Some will say that for years Ukrainians have been manipulated by nationalist propaganda, and this is the result. But we, too, have been indoctrinated for decades by liberal propaganda, for example, that Stalin is a ghoul, Lenin is a German syphilitic spy, there was neither sausage nor sex in the USSR. However, things are still there. It is not so easy to inspire people with lies.

Others will say that Ukrainians are generally defective people and they are artificially formed as a people in order to spoil Russia. Without falling into discussions about the formation of the Ukrainian nation, one way or another, we were a single Soviet people, together we performed feats of arms and labor, we went through “fire, water and copper pipes”. And then, in the most ridiculous NATO fantasies, no one could imagine the events that are now unfolding before our eyes. However, we have what we have.
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  1. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 22 January 2023 11: 52
    +2
    I agree with the author that the main leitmotif of an ordinary Ukrainian is that he is a European, and Russians are not. Moreover, this is only partly a product of the period of independence, the idea of ​​​​the Europeanness of Ukrainians began to take shape back in Soviet times, and I had to deal with such a phenomenon.
    1. Paul3390 Online Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 22 January 2023 14: 54
      +1
      What's good about Europe? Particularly in modern times?
  2. Paul3390 Online Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 22 January 2023 11: 59
    +6
    The main problem is the transcendent mriynost of ukrosoznaniya. They exist in some kind of fantasy world, which has nothing to do with the real one. In this world - you see, they are like a superior race compared to us .. Why all of a sudden - it's impossible to understand. Especially - the local ethnic Russians. To exchange the ringing name of the Russian, the loud glory of the ancestors, world culture, a huge country, titanic achievements, gigantic achievements, great victories, and so on and so forth - for what ?? On a wide banner and Cossacks with forelocks ??? For this squalor??? On mova, in which only jokes to tell? Doesn't fit in my head. It's like saying that the Roman himself wanted to become a Papuan ..

    That's why I hate all these former brothers in mind - and so, because, according to the precepts of their beaten predecessors, they imagined themselves to be superhumans. Well, nemchura - Germany had at least some reason for this, after all - its contribution to history and culture is very great. You can understand. But where are these? Which of you are superhuman? What do you have behind your soul to consider yourself superior to Russians? Pozabornye syavki - and there too. A pot-bellied trifle - but WE are untermenschi for them, you see ... Ugh.

    All our troubles - from the fact that we rarely beat our neighbors. But - perishing from souls, in meat. And it is necessary - regularly passing by a kick to weigh or a slap. To know their place. Otherwise, out of kindness, we always forgive all dirty tricks until it boils.

    It's like in a hospital - the doctor prescribed an enema twice a day - that's how it should be done! And Russia - it takes pity on the patient, does not give an enema, then, when it sees that it is already tearing it up from shit, it immediately rolls in a weekly bucket norm .. Snot, screams, suffering, the ceiling is in shit, and the doctors are not very pleased .. But just something must be treated systematically and regularly.
    1. yasel Offline yasel
      yasel (Yasel) 22 January 2023 14: 46
      +4
      What prevented in February 14 to transfer special forces to Kyiv, as it would be in the Crimea!
      Vankina's laziness couldn't get off the pkchi ...
      They screwed up the moment, and now the crests are reprogrammed.
      And now it’s weak to bang with nuclear weapons at the border crossings of Western Ukraine?
      Is it easier to develop veterinary theories about crests?
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 22 January 2023 15: 18
        +1
        Quote from yasel
        What prevented in February 14 to transfer special forces to Kyiv

        The question is not entirely correct. Not what, but who interfered.
      2. Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
        Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 27 January 2023 15: 04
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        Not laziness did not give, but the desire to stir up the mud. You might think that the Minsk agreements were signed for a great life. Merkel promised some kind of preferences (maybe trade, maybe some more) and our eyes lit up from the prospect of benefits. The multi-move players started playing their multi-move games.
    2. Nelton Online Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 23 January 2023 13: 51
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      Quote from Paul3390
      What do you have behind your soul to consider yourself superior to Russians?

      Arrangement n / a.
      For many years of Soviet power, the regions of the RSFSR were supplied and equipped much worse than Ukrainian ones.
      I don’t know how they drank in those years in Ukraine, but in the RSFSR they drank a lot.
      Hence the caricature image of the Russian Vanya, who sits drunk in the mud, and talks about greatness and geopolitics, and the right Ukrainian equips a hut, garden, and all that.

      Over the past 20 years, a lot has been done in terms of arranging a settlement in the Russian Federation, but not enough to break stereotypes.
  3. oleg Pesotsky Offline oleg Pesotsky
    oleg Pesotsky (Oleg Pesotsky) 22 January 2023 12: 14
    +4
    In principle, the author of the article accurately identified the problems and asked the right questions, he did not give answers to them, and this cannot be done today. Living in Ukraine, I will try to share my opinion (not the fact that it is true, but still) Firstly, it is the fear of change. Life has kind of mellowed out. Yes, the level has dipped a lot (in 2015, my income was 500 bucks a month, today it’s about 200), but you can live. And then something else is coming. In sight are Crimea (where Russia failed to solve many problems and the standard of living fell) and Donbass, where people who supported the Russian world for 8 years have been living under shelling and in poverty with the indistinct mooing of Russia itself. And the question is why change the awl for soap? Secondly, the people do not see the difference between Akhmetov, Kolomoisky and Abramovich with the Rottenbergs. What are those bloodsuckers, what are these, only these are after all "native" and what to expect from a stranger is unknown. And thirdly, this is an insult for the betrayal of the 14th year. The entire South-East was in tricolors, and Russia recognized the coming to power of the Nazis and silently watched how everything Russian was cut out. As Lenin said, yesterday it was early, tomorrow it will be late. This is how I see the situation from the inside. I repeat that I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth.
    1. yasel Offline yasel
      yasel (Yasel) 22 January 2023 14: 40
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      Right on the dot! "Do not blame the mirror if the face is crooked."
    2. grandfather Panas (grandfather Panas) 24 January 2023 22: 02
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      oleg Pesotsky (oleg Pesotsky), I'm embarrassed to ask, who are you working for one salary anyway? from half a year. Despite the fact that it is believed that unemployment in Ukraine is very high. In large cities, even now, work is above the roof, but with low salaries and people are not particularly in a hurry to do such work, preferring to sit at home than to squirm for a penny, receiving pensions, benefits (small), renting out (very many have several units of real estate - here where the construction boom of recent years in Ukraine comes from) apartments / houses for rent (fell, except for Z.Ukraine), although in Ukraine EVERYTHING is still almost worth a penny (taxes have either been canceled or reduced, many fines have been removed, tariffs have almost not been changed for communal and etc.) and still many have relatives / husbands and so on. they send money over the hill to Ukraine (the volume of money transfers to Ukraine for the seven months of 250 reached $2022 billion, which is $7,6 million, or 463% less than in the same period last year. This is reported by UNN with reference to the NBU data ) and this despite the fact that there is a war!
      And in general, this is a BIG myth that was created to fool (and knock out money from everyone and everything by the Ukrainians themselves - a national feature of Ukrainians with an ineradicable love for the absolute ball - everyone owes us everything only by the fact of our existence) of the same Russians, to create the wrong image some kind of "poor ass" (like, yes, they will simply be happy when we (the Russians) free them and return them to the "correct" civilization, which created an absolutely crooked perception among the Russians and played a cruel joke with them in the end.
      Therefore, many Ukrainians, having, in fact, many times greater earnings and in every possible way showing down (the general tradition of telling everyone how you eat the last lollipop without salt, but at the same time every year or two you constantly change the car for a better or new one, and buy apartments, not forgetting to rest every year in Turkey or Egypt, telling everyone that the tour won the lotto). And the Ukrainians, looking at the neighbors of the Russians, realizing how much they are actually NOT higher in prosperity than they are, naturally begin to look towards REALLY more prosperous Europeans. That is, in terms of the global system of total consumption, the Russian Federation also cannot offer anything better. A vicious circle: the level of consumption is not higher, there is no ideology, the oligarchs are the same, etc.
  4. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 22 January 2023 12: 14
    +6
    This is my appeal to the readers.... - share your thoughts on this.

    I think that we must take into account the fact that the mentality of the population living on Ukrainian lands has evolved over thousands of years.
    Namely.
    Excellent climate. Fertile lands. Abundance of water and forests. What could be better for conquest and enslavement.
    Therefore, there have always been many hunters on these lands. One will win, then the other. And almost never on these lands there was a mono-state and mono-ethnicity. Like a feather grass in the wind, the wind blows - the feather grass bends. Small principalities do not count.
    Local residents resisted the conquests as best they could. But after they were conquered, the resistance ceased and everyone adapted to the new masters, to the new faith, to the new laws.
    Adaptability is the basis of the mentality of Ukrainians. Adapt to the master, adapt to the conqueror. Adapt and wait for a new conquest, a new stronger master. And Petlyura, and Bandera, and the OUN-UPA have always had masters. Now the Americans.
    Accession to Russia is an act of adaptation, not reunification.
    They adapted to Tsarist Russia, adapted to the Nazis during the occupation, Bandera adapted to the victorious Soviet government, and how. There was our Kherson - everyone became Russified at once, it became Bandera - they became bandit.
    In the territories that Russia will annex to itself, everything will be restored in an instant - Christianity, and the Russian language, and the rest. Of course, dissatisfied people will also remain, but they will hide. Particularly stubborn will go to the Western masters.
    Ukraine, as a state, has no historical roots. And what tree will stand without roots even with the weakest wind?
    Therefore, Ukraine does not have an independent future.
    1. Paul3390 Online Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 22 January 2023 14: 53
      +1
      the mentality of the population living on Ukrainian lands has evolved over thousands of years

      Not certainly in that way. After the Mongols, the Slavic population practically disappeared in those parts. Judging by the testimonies of eyewitnesses, the land was empty, it was possible to go for weeks and not meet anyone. - no one remembers either Vladimir Krasno Solnyshko or his heroes. Someone to remember...

      Therefore, how the population of the current Tsegabonia is divided into three categories .. These are either Westerners, to whom the Mongols did not really reach and who sat out in the Carpathians. Either the descendants of the most diverse steppe dwellers who settled in those places under the first princes and beyond, or ethnically Russians who came to the Wild Field under Catherine from the North.

      It is not for nothing that in all the songs the classic type of Ukrainian woman is described - black-eyed-black-browed .. Where are the Slavic features here? Typically Turkish. Like the same Bulgarians, for example. You look - after all, a Turk is a Turk, and there - a Slav of the type .. The Slavs - they were never dark-haired.
    2. Alexander Ponamarev (Alexander Ponamarev) 23 January 2023 04: 54
      -1
      Correctly noticed and formulated, everything is simple and clear, without any political formulations, bravo!
  5. Vox Populi Offline Vox Populi
    Vox Populi (vox populi) 22 January 2023 20: 48
    +1
    Despite all the numerous problems, devastating defeats and retreats, gigantic losses, the Ukrainian army is still holding its own.

    Problems - yes; devastating - no; gigantic losses - no; takes a hit - yes. Thus, the second and third statements are from the realm of the desired, and not the actual, which is confirmed by the real course of the SVO ...
  6. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 23 January 2023 01: 00
    -1
    the author answers his own question in the title, but the text of the article of this answer does not give only questions, as one of the leading specialists in the manipulation of consciousness I will say, the author does not understand manipulation, as well as all Marxists, materialists, humanists and most of the population of Russia, I explain the Marxist postulate that "people act in life as their personal interests" is deeply erroneous, and this mistake ruined the USSR. Konstantin Petrovich Pobedonostsev laughed at this postulate through tears in the "Moscow collection", and Walter Lippmann took his ideas in his "public opinion", the essence of Lippmann's ideas is simple as felt boots "all people are stupid, they cannot think on their own, they are easy to deceive, because they think stereotypes taken from culture (that is, from the press and Hollywood, which Lippman controlled ex officio and his followers) "..... this is the typical stupidity of our grief experts who read without understanding stupid cousins ​​and Nikolsky and repeated like butts about some unsinkability of Kuzi and Moscow capable of supposedly "projecting force" .... despite the fact that what is this ephemeral "projection of force" these ekperds themselves do not represent .... we see that people are not able to understand even those words that they themselves write .... so you need to understand that a typical Ukrainian lad is simply stupid, he was brainwashed and such subtle matters as interests, honor, conscience, memory of ancestors, he does not understand, but repeats like an ass, behind the crowd and the media is coming out, the most stupid nonsense and believes it sincerely, especially since the media flatter him

    How many times they repeated to the world,
    That flattery is vile, harmful; but just not for the future,
    And in the heart a flatterer will always find a corner.

    Somewhere to Vorone, God sent a piece of cheese;
    Crowing up a crow,
    It was already going to have breakfast
    Yes, I thought about it, but I kept the cheese in my mouth.
    To that misfortune, the Fox ran close;
    Suddenly, the cheesy spirit of Lisu stopped:
    The fox sees the cheese, the fox is captivated by the cheese.
    The tiptoe to the tree is tiptoeing;
    Twirls his tail, does not take his eyes off the Crow
    And he speaks so sweetly, breathing a little:
    “Dear, how good!
    What a neck, what an eye!
    To tell, so, right, fairy tales!
    What feathers! What a sock!
    And, true, the angel must have a voice!
    Sing, light, do not be ashamed! What if sister
    With such beauty you’re a craftswoman singing, -
    After all, if we had a king-bird! ”
    Veshchunin turned to praise with praise,
    From joy in the goiter breath stole, -
    And to the friendly Lisitsyna words
    The crow croaked its entire throat:
    The cheese fell out - there was a cheat with it.
  7. Nelton Online Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 23 January 2023 11: 16
    -2
    the economic potential of the Russian Federation withstood the pressure without any problems

    The economy of the Russian Federation as a whole has not collapsed and continues to develop, groping for options and all that - but this is only 1 year of sanctions, many of which have entered into force not so long ago, and some have not even entered yet.

    So God forbid from the hatred moods, and from my point of view. - news from industry news feeds will be more important than a discussion of deliveries for the Armed Forces of Ukraine or a summary of battles for which thread a small n / a.

    after all, it is clear to everyone that the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot in principle inflict any essential military defeat on the Russian Federation

    The rate was and remains that while the Armed Forces of Ukraine cling to every n / a, the Russian economy will collapse.

    Even on this site - how many people (especially patriots of the USSR) speak derogatoryly about the Russian economy both in general and in particular? How many angry words about her skippers?
    Well, in the west (starting from Kharkov) they are completely sure that the "gas station with rockets" will fall apart as soon as the proceeds for oil run out.

    part of the intelligentsia and the "middle class" actively and passively opposed the NWO. Kowtow to the West and liberalism, characteristic of some sections of large cities

    You can, of course, throw mud at them, but those of them who curse the NMD, but did not leave, but continue to work, look for development options at their level of responsibility, do a hundred times more for the country than retired colonels calling for a general thermonuclear war.
    1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 23 January 2023 20: 44
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      Quote from Nelton.
      The economy of the Russian Federation as a whole has not collapsed and continues to develop, groping for options and all that - but this is only 1 year of sanctions, many of which have entered into force not so long ago, and some have not even entered yet.

      as one of the leading macroeconomists, I will say that sanctions objectively help the Russian economy, for one simple reason that our manufacturers have fewer competitors, the key goods Russia needs can easily be found in China, which these sanctions are even more profitable than us .... the problem is low efficiency of our economy due to astronomical prohibitive taxes for business and bureaucratic pressure of extortionate officials from inspection offices, and not sanctions at all
  8. Anatole 46 Offline Anatole 46
    Anatole 46 (Anatoly) 23 January 2023 13: 03
    -1
    My friends, the author in the article did not try to answer, but, on the contrary, he asked us good questions. I, as a person who was born in Kazakhstan, lived all my adult life in the Black Earth region, has close relatives in Ukraine, incl. and in the west, I can only speculate. Imagine that I, as an ethnic Russian, am under special attack from all these SBU, UAF and other anathemic malignant formations. Yes, and it’s just that neighbors and colleagues with turned brains ... But I have old parents, a wife, children, grandchildren, etc. HOW DO I and my family survive in conditions when Russia enters a conditional city, then leaves and it is not clear whether it will return? So this conditional Russian has to be even more Nazi and patriot than the Ukrainians themselves and it’s better to be in a trench than to imagine that the family will fall into the clutches of these scum ... And no one discounted turned brains.
    So I don't know, I don't have an answer
  9. grandfather Panas (grandfather Panas) 24 January 2023 05: 01
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    ...This is my appeal to readers, especially from Ukraine - share your thoughts on this.....

    I am from Ukraine. The article is in many ways extremely erroneous. It takes a lot of time to sort out obvious misconceptions point by point. I will note only 2 main ones before the 24th and after the 24th.
    1. Until the 24th. All the same notorious "image of the future." Laconically and clearly: we are going to the EU. And what about the Russian Federation in this regard? But nothing!
    2. After the 24th. How so? He called brothers and argued that the war was impossible. the rest were polished with strikes on the energy sector (it had almost no effect on the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the civilians suffered again and, accordingly, this finished off the remnants of Russia's lovers, driving them to the level of marginality).
    And the rest is already "bows".
    1. Nelton Online Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 24 January 2023 10: 14
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      Quote: grandfather Panas
      I am from Ukraine. The article is in many ways extremely erroneous. A lot of time is needed to sort out obvious misconceptions point by point

      Until the 24th. All the same notorious "image of the future". Laconically and clearly: we are going to the EU. That's it!

      With this point, everything is clear.

      Why was it defiantly pulling the bear's whiskers?
      What thread Estonia can afford it, because it is already in NATO.

      From my t.z. - this is a conscious policy to become a victim of aggression and the frontier of the Free West against Mordor, like South Korea, Taiwan.
      (although Finland at one time did a good job - why not an example?).

      But it would be interesting to hear your point of view.

      ps - somewhere in other comments you appealed to the statistics of trade between the Russian Federation and Turkey in 2022. If it doesn’t make it difficult, send a link to foreign trade statistics for 2022, because on the customs website everything ends in January 2022.
  10. grandfather Panas (grandfather Panas) 24 January 2023 14: 18
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    Quote from Nelton.
    Quote: grandfather Panas
    I am from Ukraine. The article is in many ways extremely erroneous. A lot of time is needed to sort out obvious misconceptions point by point

    Until the 24th. All the same notorious "image of the future". Laconically and clearly: we are going to the EU. That's it!

    With this point, everything is clear.

    Why was it defiantly pulling the bear's whiskers?
    What thread Estonia can afford it, because it is already in NATO.

    From my t.z. - this is a conscious policy to become a victim of aggression and the frontier of the Free West against Mordor, like South Korea, Taiwan.
    (although Finland at one time did a good job - why not an example?).

    But it would be interesting to hear your point of view.

    ps - somewhere in other comments you appealed to the statistics of trade between the Russian Federation and Turkey in 2022. If it doesn’t make it difficult, send a link to foreign trade statistics for 2022, because on the customs website everything ends in January 2022.

    Look at Glazyev's statistics. He has a lot of interesting numbers. There is no time to search now. I remember seeing him.
    .... Why was it defiantly pulling the bear’s mustache? ....-and the Russian Federation has been pulling the mustache for 3 days or has it been 30 years already? And what about the Russian Federation? But it still continues to cooperate with them. Or trade with Ukraine didn’t bloom in a stormy color (and even now, during the war, even Ukraine regularly pays for the transit of resources, etc. Nonsense!) And I’m not talking about that at all. Or was someone responsible for the loss of gold reserves or for the failure of Russian intelligence?
    1. Nelton Online Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 24 January 2023 14: 53
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      Quote: grandfather Panas
      and the Russian Federation that they have been pulling their mustaches for 3 days or have they been pulling their mustaches for 30 years already? And what about the Russian Federation?

      And depending on who.
      NATO countries-nothing wrong.
      But Georgia had 8/8/8.
      Ukraine itself - in 2014, the term "lost / uncontrolled territories" appeared.
      So why was it further to pull?

      If the Russian Federation was pulled for so long, then why did it prepare for so mediocre for so many years

      I guess dizzy with success.
      We thought everything would be like in Kazakhstan, or in Crimea in 2014.
      Incl. sanctions consequences.

      for the failure of Russian intelligence?

      I admit that intelligence reported everything correctly, but the Decision Maker brushed aside those data that did not fit into the picture of the world.

      See Glazyev for statistics. He has a lot of interesting figures. There is no time to search now. I remember seeing him.

      Hmm, I'm used to looking closer to the primary sources of figures.
      Rosstat, customs, Central Bank. but since February 2022 there are no foreign trade data on them.

      Perhaps there are bourgeois sites with cross-data from both sides, and then in the absence of data from the Russian Federation, data from the other side remains, and everything can be restored.
      But I don't know them, I thought you know...
      1. grandfather Panas (grandfather Panas) 25 January 2023 00: 07
        +1
        Glazyev is, in terms of economics, the most sane official in the Russian Federation! You can completely trust him. As an economist with a second education (I have only 3 of them so far), I can safely assure you that he really steers and more precisely him no one can describe these questions with official data. Delyagin, Katasonov and Khazin are trying to explain something, but Glazyev is an official!
        I remind you that intelligence is different and they have cross-checks of information.
        ...Ukraine itself - in 2014, the term "lost / uncontrolled territories" appeared - and what are these territories? RF recognized the new government; in every possible way she denied the so-called LDNR - "nastamanet" - and recognized it only after 8 years !!!! Well, how is this to be understood then?
  11. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 25 January 2023 01: 57
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    The main feature of the Ukrainian mentality is the commitment to personal gain, the priority of the values ​​of one's own economy, with complete indifference to the public good, even militant denial of it. "If I don't winter, I'll bite" - this is just about the latter. In the first two theses, they feel affinity with the British slogan "my home is my castle", with the American "nothing personal - just business." At the same time, Western curators sweetly sing to them - we are of the same blood, just unlearn the habit of sending power on an erotic journey, and we will become brothers! Treat your country like your own home! Therefore, the CE-Europeans obediently go to the slaughter if there is no way to pay off. And people with a Russian mentality honestly go to die for their new homeland, because they have no other. The nationalists, on the other hand, exploit the last two theses - get out of the Hetmans - everyone owes us! Europe should look up to them. But without material incentives (at least promised), their electorate does not go into battle, unless, of course, their material interests in the liberated territories are hurt.
  12. Panasyuk-Pupkin Offline Panasyuk-Pupkin
    Panasyuk-Pupkin (Panasyuk-Pupkin) 26 January 2023 00: 47
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    Quote: vladimir1155
    Quote from Nelton.
    The economy of the Russian Federation as a whole has not collapsed and continues to develop, groping for options and all that - but this is only 1 year of sanctions, many of which have entered into force not so long ago, and some have not even entered yet.

    as one of the leading macroeconomists, I will say that sanctions objectively help the Russian economy, for one simple reason that our manufacturers have fewer competitors, the key goods Russia needs can easily be found in China, which these sanctions are even more profitable than us .... the problem is low efficiency of our economy due to astronomical prohibitive taxes for business and bureaucratic pressure of extortionate officials from inspection offices, and not sanctions at all

    These sanctions, to some extent, would help for the development of production in the Russian Federation and import substitution in general, if the authorities of the Russian Federation began to change the monetary policy. and substitution at the same time CANNOT BE!!! And under the money-credit policy, the tax policy and so on are already changing. components.