The experience of SVO: why do Russian troops need wheeled tanks


According to foreign media, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can receive Western-made armored vehicles, including French AMX-10 RC wheeled tanks and American Bradley infantry fighting vehicles. The Kyiv regime itself insists on the transfer of heavier vehicles - M1 Abrams, Leopard 2 and Leclerc tanks. What kind of armored vehicles are really needed and in what quantities in the zone of the NWO?


Tanks, but not those


The information that Paris could transfer AMX-10 RC wheeled tanks to Kyiv caused irony among some Russian military experts. They say that these lightly armored combat vehicles will be knocked out by our artillery without any problems. The only thing they really fear is the American, German and French main battle tanks, which Ukraine is constantly begging for and, most likely, will be begging for in the end. However, the attitude towards the potential of wheeled armored vehicles equipped with a tank gun does not seem quite adequate. What did the special military operation show?

She showed that the time of powerful tank wedges of the Great Patriotic War model has already irrevocably passed. The reason is simple and banal: the enemy has an abundance of very effective ATGMs, which allow even quite modern tanks to be knocked out by conventional infantry. No, main battle tanks still have a place on the battlefield, but precisely as a mobile firing point. In the realities of NMD, tanks are used, as a rule, in the following way: they left for a position, fired 1-2 shots and quickly returned to cover. Otherwise, there is a high probability of being hit by an anti-tank missile launched from the Kornet, Fagot or Javelin anti-tank systems or from a Bayraktara strike UAV.

This means that the tank is now required primarily high mobility and great firepower. In addition, there are other arguments in favor of wheeled armored vehicles.

At first, caterpillar technique unable to make long marches on their own. Moving under their own power, MBTs will turn any roadbed into a pile of broken rubble. Tanks are transported both in Russia and in Ukraine by railroads, the destruction of which could disrupt all military logistics. Wheeled tanks, on the other hand, are capable of moving over any distance both on roads and off-road, exerting less pressure on the ground.

Secondly, the presence of a tank turret and a corresponding gun makes a wheeled tank a more powerful firing point when compared with an armored personnel carrier or even an infantry fighting vehicle. No wonder they are positioned as "tank destroyers".

Thirdly, wheeled vehicles are easier to manufacture and cheaper in subsequent maintenance, consuming 2-3 times less fuel and lubricants than the main battle tank. In a situation where the domestic defense industry has been drawn into a war of attrition with the entire collective West, this is not the worst decision.

It must be understood that wheeled tanks in themselves are not some kind of “wunderwaffe” capable of turning the tide of the war on the territory of Ukraine in favor of Russia. They have their drawbacks, in particular, rather weak armor. However, world experience shows that such a technique is in great demand.

On wheels


The recognized leader in the development and production of wheeled tanks today is France, which uses it in its former colonies against various "rebels". The reasons for this choice are quite obvious: the relative cheapness of production with the active use of automotive components, the lack of good roads in the places of punitive operations, the high mobility of wheeled tanks, inexpensive after-sales service, and the simplicity and speed of crew training. The caliber of the turret guns grew continuously until it caught up with the main battle tanks.

French wheeled tanks AMX-10RC, which will be transferred to Ukraine, are created on a 6x6 wheel formula and are positioned as reconnaissance armored vehicles. A 300-horsepower turbodiesel allows them to accelerate on the highway up to 85 km / h, the speed afloat is 7 km / h, the cruising range is 800 kilometers. The hull can withstand armor-piercing 14,5 mm bullets, and the front part and forehead of the turret can withstand 25 mm shells. The hydropneumatic suspension allows you to change the clearance and hide behind the folds of the terrain in order to ambush a 105-mm cannon, and then quickly leave. In general, this is a fairly serious military equipment, which should not be taken lightly. Given the clear superiority of the enemy in reconnaissance, the AMX-10RC can do things. To replace them, already out of production, Paris plans to put into service more modern wheeled tanks EBRC Jaguar and VBMR Griffon.

Italy also has its own wheeled tank. B1 Centauro created on the chassis of the Freccia wheeled infantry fighting vehicle with an upgraded suspension and is also equipped with a 105-mm cannon. Its more modern modification, the Centauro II, received a new turret with a 120 mm gun and a 720 hp turbodiesel. With. It is curious that under the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Serdyukov, in all seriousness, the possibility of starting production in Russia under the license of the outdated B1 Centauro (“Centaur”) was seriously considered.

Chinese wheeled tank ZTL-11 developed on the basis of the ZBL-08 armored personnel carrier. The car is equipped with a 440-horsepower turbodiesel, which allows it to reach speeds of up to 100 km / h with a maximum range of up to 800 kilometers. The installation of a tank turret with a 105-mm gun increased the mass of the armored vehicle from 15 to 23 tons, but significantly strengthened it. A sub-caliber projectile fired from a range of 1500 meters is capable of penetrating up to 800 mm of armor, and a GP105 guided missile launched through the gun barrel can hit tanks and other armored vehicles at a distance of up to 5000 meters. The ZTL-11 can both support its own infantry and serve as a real "tank destroyer" of the enemy.

Your own wheeled tank Type 16 Japan also has it, but it turned out to be unexpectedly expensive - $ 6,5 million apiece, which made it unattractive for customers. The USA has M1128 Stryker, built on the basis of the Stryker armored personnel carrier, with an uninhabited turret with a 105-mm cannon and an automatic loader. However, the Pentagon did not find adequate tasks for it, therefore, probably, we will also see these armored vehicles in Ukraine.

What do we have?


The idea of ​​a domestic wheeled tank arose back in the USSR, when the tasks of a rapid breakthrough of armored vehicles deep into the territory of NATO countries were seriously considered.

On the BTR-70 chassis, an experimental Soviet wheeled tank 2S14 "ZHALO-C" with anti-tank 85-mm gun 2A62. Two diesel engines with a capacity of 240 liters. With. allowed to reach speeds of up to 80 km / h, and on the water - up to 10 km / h. The armor protected the crew of 4 from small arms and shrapnel. Unfortunately, this combat vehicle was never put into service. The young Russian Federation was also working on its own wheeled tank 2S28 "Octopus-K" based on the promising BTR-90. According to some estimates, if the project had been brought to real production, we would have received the best armored vehicle in the class. However, the BTR-90 itself, despite all its performance characteristics, never went into production.

Today, the last hope of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to acquire its own wheeled tank is the Boomerang project (VPK-7829). It was developed on a medium-weight platform of 24 tons with an 8x8 wheel arrangement and a BMP-MRAP protection level. Its armor will be modular, consisting of removable armored ceramic plates, gratings to deal with cumulative projectiles and dynamic protection, which will withstand the hit of an anti-tank grenade or missile fired from a portable complex from any angle, as well as provide protection against small-caliber artillery shells fired into the frontal armor, and heavy machine guns - onboard. The gun can be either 125 mm from the Armata tank, or 2A75 from the 2S25 Sprut-SD. This will make the Boomerang equal in firepower to the T-90A tank. The speed of movement on the highway will be about 100 km / h, afloat - 12 km / h, the cruising range on the highway - 800 km.

The experience of the SVO shows that the main protection for military equipment is not so much armor as its mobility, multiplied by effective reconnaissance and target designation. He fired once - quickly left, these are the realities of the special operation. The loss of main battle tanks can be partially compensated for by the mass production of cheaper wheeled ones equipped with a powerful tank gun. In addition, wheeled vehicles can later be used in large-scale offensives, when it will be necessary to rapidly move deep into enemy territory.

Of course, no one proposes to completely abandon the main battle tanks in favor of the ersatz. We are talking about the fastest possible filling of a certain niche, which turned out to be very popular.
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  1. oao Offline oao
    oao (Chizhov Kirill) 8 January 2023 08: 45
    +6
    What other tanks, first-aid kits, make them normal for a start. The thief is bad.
  2. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 8 January 2023 08: 46
    -1
    dreams, dreams, if you start producing wheeled cardboard tanks without kaz and other technologies with old sights and old shells, you won’t help this matter ... it seems to me that the whole course shows the advantage of modern NATO technology over outdated technology of the Russian Federation ... and if like we are loved "faster, cheaper" to start riveting something is unknown - and the result will be appropriate!
  3. Dmitry Volkov Offline Dmitry Volkov
    Dmitry Volkov (Dmitry Volkov) 8 January 2023 09: 28
    -4
    The author, I’ll put 3, didn’t serve, apparently, wheeled vehicles, this is for Africa, Europe, but no matter how for our theater of operations, all this Western equipment before the first breakdown or damage, and mobility in the mud is in question. We have a good PT-76 in our warehouses, which can be equipped with a module from the BMP-4 or a 100 mm low ballistics cannon, super-mobility there, SPRUT, of course, would be better, but there are few of them. So in a month or two, the spring thaw will begin in the Donbass, the PT-76 would be well useful against all the armored trash from Europe ..
  4. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 January 2023 11: 25
    +1
    In general, the world thought about light wheeled tanks about 8 years ago. When it became clear that they were chasing bearded men on heavy, uneconomical, excessively powerful main tanks, and in the heat and in the mountains, there was no reason.
    There were a bunch of articles listing + and - (the main ones are difficulties with protection and overweight).

    And in a number of countries, in Turkey for example, they have developed working series.

    With us, with a wild number of different types of poorly modernized old armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, they didn’t particularly strain. They should be modernized first (the article ".... how we got to such a life" on VO today).
    And there have been samples for parades for a long time, but ... you yourself understand ...
  5. usm5 Offline usm5
    usm5 (George) 8 January 2023 12: 19
    +4
    Dear author, when you write that some supposedly good weapon did not go into series in our army, at least give the arguments of those who did not launch wheeled tanks into series. Everything is not so clear.
    And the experience of the SVO just states that it is necessary to strengthen the armor, since you have to "work" in conditions of total destruction by fragments of heavy shells. How will the wheels of these tanks feel at the same time? We observe that they are removed from storage en masse, finalized and sent to the T-62 front. But not because there are few modern tanks, but to use them as inexpensive mobile emplacements well protected from shrapnel. Still, one must be more modest in assessments and in the tone of expressions in the article. Do not give any reason to hysterics of all kinds to shout: "Everything is lost, everything has been sold." One must nevertheless understand that stupidity, corruption, venality, etc., are an integral property of human civilization and this is not the main disease of the Russian army. Its main disease is chronic underfunding, which is based on the unwillingness to strip the Russian people naked with an arms race, as it was already in the days of the USSR.
    1. radvas Offline radvas
      radvas (Igor) 8 January 2023 14: 58
      0
      Naked ... Now the Patriotic War is going on. In 41-45, the Soviet people donated the last to the defense fund.
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    3. bsk_una Offline bsk_una
      bsk_una (Nick) 9 January 2023 08: 50
      +2
      Addendum: and dress more oligarchs, plus fuse money to the overlord on behalf of the Central Bank ...
  6. Owl Offline Owl
    Owl (Philip) 8 January 2023 13: 18
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    Two diesel engines with a capacity of 240 liters. With.

    - two ZMZ-70, 4905-cylinder, carburetor, V-shaped, liquid cooling were installed on the BTR-8; total power 240 (2x120) hp at 3400 rpm,
  7. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 8 January 2023 14: 28
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    The author needs to watch more videos about the progress of the NWO, both ours and Ukrainian. And all reverence for heavy wheeled armored vehicles will be removed as if by hand.
    This is good in Syria and in general in that climatic zone.
    And it happens too often in our country that there seems to be equipment, but it doesn’t seem to be there, it can’t fight. So, a fixed target for the Lancet.
  8. Scharnhorst Offline Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst (Scharnhorst) 8 January 2023 14: 32
    +4
    With the officially announced vague tasks of the SVO in Ukraine "demilitarization and denazification", the main people's task is to save the lives of their people. Therefore, the arguments for the high mobility, speed and efficiency of a wheeled tank are completely refuted by the positional nature of the SVO (the front line near Donetsk did not move to the firing range of a large-caliber towed howitzer in a year), but the number of losses of wheeled tank crews would increase many times from the fire of portable ATGMs and artillery .

    Secondly, the presence of a tank turret and a corresponding gun makes a wheeled tank a more powerful firing point when compared to an armored personnel carrier or even an infantry fighting vehicle. No wonder they are positioned as "tank destroyers".

    By definition, it is not correct to compare a TANK with an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle. From a "fighter" much lighter than the main wheeled tank, like a bullet from a GOWNA. He can not even cope with the BMPT "Terminator". And the most belligerent army of Israel does not pay attention to such advertising of the European military-industrial complex, but remakes Soviet tank corps into heavy armored personnel carriers.

    Thirdly, wheeled vehicles are easier to manufacture and cheaper in subsequent maintenance, consuming 2-3 times less fuel and lubricants than a main battle tank. In conditions when the domestic defense industry was drawn into a war of attrition with the entire collective West, this is not the worst decision.

    The worst decision in wartime is to load the military industry with this wheeled rubbish, when the warehouses are full of old models of quite adequate tanks. And the enemies should save fuel after blocking oil and gas resources to unfriendly countries ...
    PS Let Ukraine fight on this wunderwaffe, "Abdullah has a lot of people ..."
  9. radvas Offline radvas
    radvas (Igor) 8 January 2023 14: 50
    -6
    Spring fights are coming soon. That's when this dispute will be resolved. But I think that we, as often, behave "on our own". Most armies use wheeled tanks, and we are the smartest. Until we wash ourselves with blood ... Or maybe the reason is the lack of rubber. Or in excess of steel! The steel lobby of Uralmash and Kuzbass is working)))
  10. radvas Offline radvas
    radvas (Igor) 8 January 2023 15: 10
    -4
    The author is largely right. Indeed, during the mobilization, not so many tractor drivers come, mostly they are pensioners-gardeners, "botanists", "managers" and others. And almost everyone has a car. A wheeled tank is "native" for them!
    1. Cetron Offline Cetron
      Cetron (Peteris) 10 January 2023 00: 51
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      He served in the army at the GMZ (caterpillar mine layer). Anyone who drives a car will go for the levers in an hour! Nothing extraordinary. Then it's just skill building. (GMZ also has a base like "Acacia").
  11. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 8 January 2023 15: 25
    +2
    A wheeled tank is needed in the war in Ukraine. Only until it is put into service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will 20 years pass by the time, as they say in the east, both the donkey and the padish will die.
  12. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 8 January 2023 19: 28
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    The situations cited by the author in which wheeled tanks on the battlefield are allegedly preferable to tracked ones are incorrect. Fired and immediately dumped, this can be applied to self-propelled guns, but not to traditional tanks. But wheeled self-propelled guns (if any) may well operate in this mode. In general, the tracked main tank within the NWO is indispensable at the moment
  13. Foe Pshekov Offline Foe Pshekov
    Foe Pshekov (Arkady) 8 January 2023 19: 41
    0
    If you go to war in columns like in a parade, then there will be no difference - wheels or tracks
  14. Foe Pshekov Offline Foe Pshekov
    Foe Pshekov (Arkady) 8 January 2023 19: 49
    -1
    ... our theater of operations is not for wheeled vehicles ... this is not Africa, and not the Middle East. Right now it makes no sense. For the future, perhaps yes, it will be necessary to find opportunities for such "armored vehicles"
  15. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 8 January 2023 19: 49
    -1
    What\what\ are you discussing? How to kill your own kind more gracefully \and more\? Others are needed .. The commander-in-chief turned out to be a sap. Criminal ... .
  16. Constantine N Offline Constantine N
    Constantine N (Constantin N) 8 January 2023 21: 06
    -1
    It is strange that heavy equipment has not died out yet, it can be destroyed with rockets and guided artillery
  17. EnglishMakaka Offline EnglishMakaka
    EnglishMakaka (Yaroslav ) 8 January 2023 21: 07
    -1
    They will not pass Abrams and Leopards. First, they need them. Secondly, this is the Abrams technique and the Leopards were rashited against the Papuans. If they send out, then the world will see how their Russian tanks cope with ease. Well, the AMX 10 RC. They won't do anything. They only throw more problems to the Ukrainians. They have hydraulic suspension, so the fluid there easily follows.
  18. Dobrovolezz Offline Dobrovolezz
    Dobrovolezz (Valera) 8 January 2023 22: 29
    +2
    Before sinking for wheeled tanks, the author first stand like this, stick a gun from an octopus with ballistics and tank power 2a46 on it, turn the gun 9 or 3 hours relative to the longitudinal axis of the chassis and fire 3 aimed shots without jacking up the wheelbase at a rate of 1 shot every 11 seconds, but something tells me that either your machine will tip over or it won’t get anywhere after the first shot due to the colossal lateral buildup. Oh yes, so that the suspension from the recoil of 125mm of some kind of 3ubk19 so that it does not die due to the recoil.
  19. Goga Smirnovich Offline Goga Smirnovich
    Goga Smirnovich (Goga Smirnov) 8 January 2023 22: 56
    -1
    Quote: RussianMakaka
    They will not pass Abrams and Leopards. First, they need them. Secondly, this is the Abrams technique and the Leopards were rashited against the Papuans. If they send out, then the world will see how their Russian tanks cope with ease. Well, the AMX 10 RC. They won't do anything. They only throw more problems to the Ukrainians. They have hydraulic suspension, so the fluid there easily follows.

    Funny nonsense. I’m only afraid that Russian tanks are unlikely to be able to compete on equal terms with not even the latest modernizations of abrams or leopards. Vacuum 72-1 (only the new parade tanks of Armata can fire them). And the BPS Mango massively used by Russian tankers (even the no more powerful Lead-2 and Lead-1 having a length of 2 mm) will leave few chances in direct collisions of the main and more modern models of NATO tanks. In addition to the Vacuum in the forehead, Western (and not only) these BPSs do not take these BPS from 740 km. But they are taken. And this is only one of the problems of Russian obt.
    And the AMX 10 RC in maintenance will be a problem for NATO, not for the Ukrainians. They will not repair them if there are serious problems.
    1. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
      viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 8 January 2023 23: 44
      -1
      One or two bombs \ as soon as the air defense issue is resolved / - not for long. A volumetric explosion \\ they are not brothers to us \ and a mustache. In vain they put people .. The reindeer breeder would have been shy with a sledgehammer!
  20. Pavel57 Offline Pavel57
    Pavel57 (Paul) 8 January 2023 23: 30
    -1
    Do foreign wheeled tanks have the ability to move on water, or is this a whim of our military?
  21. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 8 January 2023 23: 35
    -1
    Less emotion! But the idea is correct - idiots \ thieves \ traitors \ traitors \ and other pop figures - in public for a stake!
  22. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 9 January 2023 02: 07
    +3
    It seems that modern ideas about weapons still come from the West. Pride often prevents this from being recognized, but in vain. China has become a great country by shamelessly copying (and stealing) advanced Western technologies - so what? Now the West itself is licking China ... and Chinese science and technology are at the highest level. Why don't the Russians follow the same path, including copying the military thinking and weapons of the West? A lot of hesitation. Ashamed? So it will pass. And the winners are not judged.
  23. VICTOR VALENTINOVICH (VIKTOR VALENTINOVICH) 9 January 2023 04: 20
    -1
    Does the author know what is the maximum speed of our modern tanks? And as for the roads damaged by tanks, during the war, all roads were damaged or mined. In terms of the potential for the fight of wheeled tanks against tanks, we have the corresponding tanks, the same terminator.
  24. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 9 January 2023 08: 48
    +2
    "Boomerang", as the hope of the MO, was mentioned at the international exhibition in 2013. But mass production of the platform has not yet begun.
    Therefore, spit on him and forget!!

    Let us recall our glorious traditions of the early 20th century, when the production of machine guns in Russia started only at the end of the Russo-Japanese War. And before that, the famous General Dragomirov could not understand at all why a machine gun was needed in the field.

    "It wasn't the bobbin..."
  25. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 9 January 2023 18: 25
    0
    In positional battles, tank units "burned out" once or twice and without any anti-tank systems back in the years of World War II.
    But wheeled tanks, created for police operations somewhere in Africa, should be thrown into the meat grinder of positional battles? It is of course complete.
  26. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 9 January 2023 18: 48
    0
    Wheeled vehicles on the Russian plain .... tanks barely pass here ... At one time, the Italians wanted to sell their wheeled tanks to Serdyukov about 2000 vehicles. But the deal was "hacked to death" experts said this technique is not for our weather conditions.
  27. Brother Fox_2 Offline Brother Fox_2
    Brother Fox_2 (Brother Fox) 10 January 2023 08: 38
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    Moving on their own, MBTs will turn any roadbed into a pile of broken rubble .... does the author know that even in the desert tanks are transported on tractors? due to the low power reserve of tanks and not with the road surface
    Nah .. we will step on wheeled tanks as we can damage the coating of Ukrainian roads into rubble))))
  28. Antor Offline Antor
    Antor 10 January 2023 19: 53
    +1
    The question is, what did our strategists in the Defense Ministry do, especially in the development of those types of weapons that are needed on the ground and why many promising developments that would be very useful in the NWO today remained on paper. Grabbed as always when the fire broke out !!!??? It is still not clear to me, like many others, how they could have allowed the transfer, and to put it bluntly, the "grabbing" of a number of defense industry enterprises that were brought to bankruptcy !!???. Who thought about improving military production and their readiness to withstand the constant threats to Russia from NATO. Beautiful dummies, militant PR, confidence that we will tear everyone and our army is the best and formidable !!! The worst thing is that there is no analysis and no culprits - all with shoulder straps and positions .... you can continue in the same spirit !!! For years we have been accustomed to not fulfilling a defense order .... and again it seems that we are not fulfilling it, since Medvedev threatens with criminal prosecution to those who do not fulfill it .. !!!??? Ukraine is being pumped with more and more advanced weapons ..... you listen to military experts from V. Solovyov ... and somehow it’s alarming, it’s too often that our traitor liberals’ ears stick out, who, from the beginning of the NWO to this day, are still trying to negotiate with the West. How can one understand the huge withdrawal of capital and assets from the country .... does anyone oppose this or will we say again that there is no money and the population is waiting for a decrease in living standards ..!! And what kind of tanks are there ..... if the authorities do not show political will and start more harshly, in proportion to wartime, introduce the laws necessary for this time and restore order in the country, especially among those for whom the country is just a feeding trough or an object theft and robbery.
  29. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 11 January 2023 01: 56
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    The experience of the SVO shows that the main protection for military equipment is not so much armor as its mobility, multiplied by effective reconnaissance and target designation. He fired once - quickly left, these are the realities of the special operation.

    Since the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a very small number of tanks left, the Russian army has practically no serious problems with their destruction, and therefore there is no need for "anti-tank guns on wheels" either.
    For fire support of infantry units in the "shot-ran" mode, the NONA-SVK self-propelled guns already mastered by industry and in the troops on the BTR-80 chassis and the Kornet ATGM based on the same BTR-80 would be perfect, given their high maneuverability and ability overcome water obstacles.



    The 125 mm tank gun is too powerful for the BTR-80 platform, the BTR-90 "Rostok" and "Boomerang" would probably be suitable for these purposes, but the first was abandoned, and the second was never launched ....
    When the serial production of self-propelled guns Phlox on the basis of the army armored car "Ural-4320" with a wheel arrangement of 6 × 6 is still unknown, therefore, it is not worth hoping for their imminent mass appearance in the troops ...

  30. Anton Kuzmin Offline Anton Kuzmin
    Anton Kuzmin (Anton Kuzmin) 11 January 2023 15: 24
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    But what for to build new wheeled ones, if the Russian Federation has a lot of old T-62s, which are now massively and cheaply modernized? As a result, we get the best armored vehicles for less money. Moreover, there are old ones who themselves can still shake the old days, or quickly teach young people how to use this ancient technique. :)

    And any new one - while you design it, while you put it into series, until you identify the shortcomings and eliminate them, until you produce a sufficient number, until you prepare the crews, until you work out tactics, until you carry out combat coordination .... - CBO will end a long time ago.
  31. In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 11 January 2023 17: 39
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    Here, based on what kind of war to wage and where. If we have / Ukraine, then respect the caterpillars. Yes, and those in the spring and autumn get stuck, sometimes completely, I saw this. And if in "Syria", then it's good. Both as a raider and as a policeman, a wheeled tank is good. But based on the tasks of the moment, the old 62s right now, of course, to modernize, would be the very thing. What to keep in stock? Under Stalin there would have been a good debriefing.
  32. Anton Kuzmin Offline Anton Kuzmin
    Anton Kuzmin (Anton Kuzmin) 12 January 2023 13: 25
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    I will not repeat.

    "About Western "tanks" and tanks on U." https://trymava.rf/?p=40455
  33. Anton Kuzmin Offline Anton Kuzmin
    Anton Kuzmin (Anton Kuzmin) 12 January 2023 13: 27
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    Quote: In passing
    Here, based on what kind of war to wage and where. If we have / Ukraine, then respect the caterpillars. Yes, and those in the spring and autumn get stuck, sometimes completely, I saw this. And if in "Syria", then it's good. Both as a raider and as a policeman, a wheeled tank is good. But based on the tasks of the moment, the old 62s right now, of course, to modernize, would be the very thing. What to keep in stock? Under Stalin there would have been a good debriefing.

    Didn't you know that an order has been given for the modernization of 800 T-62 units and they are already being delivered to the Donbass? However, girls have other advantages! / famously twists his mustache / :)
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  35. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 12 January 2023 17: 03
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    The experience of the SVO shows that the main protection for military equipment is not so much armor as its mobility, multiplied by effective reconnaissance and target designation

    So mobility on all soils is only on caterpillar tracks, wheeled ones can’t go everywhere, and therefore it’s right, cannon armament is only on caterpillars. Wheels are possible for various small-caliber and reconnaissance light infantry fighting vehicles.