Why does the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" need the ICRC "Liana"

The day before, one very important event for the Russian Navy took place. The lead frigate of the 22350 series "Admiral Gorshkov", carrying Zircon hypersonic missiles, set off on a long sea voyage across the Atlantic, the Indian Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea. The Russian frigate set off on its long journey with the participation of President Putin and Defense Minister Shoigu, which speaks of the significance attached to the solemn ceremony.

First among equals

Via video link, the Supreme Commander of the Russian Federation commented on the event as follows:

Today we have an important, if not significant, event: the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" begins a long-distance sea voyage. But there is nothing unusual here: this is a common thing, but this time the ship is equipped with the latest Zircon hypersonic missile system, which has no analogues - this is a sea-based hypersonic system - as well as other weapons of the latest generations.

Indeed, in the lead ship of project 22350, all the most advanced Technology domestic military-industrial complex. This guided missile frigate was conceived as a replacement for the aging Soviet destroyers of the "Sarych" type and BOD of projects 1155 and 1155.1. "Admiral Gorshkov" was supposed to be the first in a series of surface ships of the 1st rank, capable of operating in the near, far sea and ocean zones, the main "workhorse" of the Russian Navy for the next few decades.

Unfortunately, the implementation of this ambitious shipbuilding project was very delayed for a number of reasons. The lead ship of the series was laid down back in 2006, and entered service only on July 28, 2018. Either the artillery mount for the frigate was not ready for the deadline, then the engine burned out due to a failure of the control system, then the manufacturer of air defense / missile defense systems missed the delivery deadlines, then after 2014 there were problems with Ukrainian ship power plants. However, despite all these ordeals, "Admiral Gorshkov" was able to successfully pass all the tests and enter the ranks of the Russian Navy.

So far, a series of these promising frigates is designed for 10 ships. There is a noticeable trend towards a consistent increase in their combat capability. If the first four ships had only 16 universal launch cells for missiles, then the fifth and sixth will already have 32 of them. anti-ship missiles "Onyx", cruise "Caliber" or hypersonic "Zircons" can be installed to choose from. In fact, the Project 2019M frigate can no longer be considered a frigate, but a full-fledged destroyer.

In other words, within the framework of this series, the Russian Navy will be able to cover its main needs for ships of the 1st rank. And it's very good news.

Right on target

Another positive point can be considered that the latest Zircons hypersonic missiles, about which everyone has heard so much, were installed on the Admiral Gorshkov. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu commented on this event as follows:

At the same time, a feature of the Zircon hypersonic missiles is the ability to reliably overcome any modern advanced air defense systems - missile defense. The missile's flight speed is more than nine Machs, and the range is over a thousand kilometers.

The 3M22 Zircon hypersonic missiles will have to replace the heavy Soviet-made P-700 Granit anti-ship missiles. In addition to the frigates of project 22350 and 22350M, the TARKR of project 1144 and the nuclear submarine of project 949A Antey are considered as carriers for them. The main advantage of the Zircons is their phenomenal speed, which makes it extremely difficult to intercept by existing air defense / missile defense systems. Thanks to this, a rather frivolous idea was formed that now the Russian Navy will be able to easily “snap” any ships, their groups and formations of the enemy. This is true, but only in part.

Yes, a stationary target on land is almost guaranteed to be destroyed by a missile flying at hypersonic speed, be it Zircon or Dagger. But what about a moving sea target that can move at 30 knots per hour, like the US Navy's AUG?

The enemy will definitely not stand still, begging for a missile salvo on board. To hit an American aircraft carrier with Zircon or Dagger, you first need to find it in the sea with reconnaissance means and give target designation to, say, Admiral Gorshkov. A missile fired in flight will still have to be re-targeted, since the difficult target will move, perform its own maneuvers and counteract the Russian attack in every possible way, lifting it into the air and sending its carrier-based fighter aircraft towards it. In order for the Zircon strike to be successful, the Russian Navy must have a powerful reconnaissance system. The US Navy, in particular, has a huge satellite constellation and several AWACS aircraft on the deck of each of its aircraft carriers. What do we have here and now?

There are no "unnecessary" aircraft carriers, no carrier-based AWACS aircraft in the Russian Navy and are not expected in the coming decades. The system of global satellite marine space reconnaissance and target designation (MKRTS) "Legend", created under the USSR, has long ceased to exist. The Russian system of global satellite marine space reconnaissance and target designation (MKRTS) "Liana" has not yet been fully formed. The first "active" radar reconnaissance satellite 14F139 "Pion-NKS", capable of seeing sea and ground targets day and night in any weather and issuing target designation for their destruction with high-precision weapons, was launched into orbit only on June 25, 2021. Regarding the second "Peony", the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stated as follows:

Based on the test results, the first launched Pion-NKS apparatus received high marks from the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the command of the Navy. The satellite is officially accepted by the customer. Now the issue of manufacturing the next spacecraft is being actively discussed.

In other words, the Liana has not yet reached the state of full combat readiness, and it is on it that the effectiveness of the actions of the Russian Navy against naval targets largely depends. As soon as the Russian Navy receives a complete set of space "eyes and ears", then the deadly potential of the Zircons will be maximized.
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  1. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 5 January 2023 12: 50
    Alone in the sea is not a warrior.
    And without political will, he is nothing at all.
    1. Snail N9 Offline Snail N9
      Snail N9 (Snail) 5 January 2023 13: 39
      Another "no analogues". Well, that's it ... Two-thirds of the article is a description of how good "Zircon" is, how it shreds everyone, and at the end it's so modest - "zircon", that is, but to direct it -. nothing. laughing Well, as shown by the SVO with the "heroic" confrontation at Zmeiny, a modern ship needs not only "zircons", but first of all: modern CIUS and detection stations, recognizing targets of different speeds and low RCS and aiming at them. As well as a large ammunition to fight off massive combined attacks of different means of attack. Therefore, these "unparalleled in the world" frigates with their 16 missiles in cells look simply pathetic. And even 48 cells, by now, will not really help here, although of course, it’s better than 16. I don’t understand why build ships, spend huge amounts of money on them, shove strike weapons at them if they cannot defend themselves and approach to a distance where they can use their strike weapons, because they will be quickly detected and destroyed by various enemy means that have much greater capabilities for early detection. yes
      1. vladivan Offline vladivan
        vladivan (Vladimir) 10 January 2023 16: 43
        If for 5 years they didn’t install the Pantsir-M (ME)-sea!
    2. Alternatives Offline Alternatives
      Alternatives (Alexander) 5 January 2023 14: 03
      Yes, they will bang him like a Moscow cruiser. Given the current political situation in the country, this frigate is just a bunch of junk.
  2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 5 January 2023 13: 00
    There are no analogues, which means that he has no one to fight with.
  3. Sergey3939 Offline Sergey3939
    Sergey3939 (Sergei) 5 January 2023 13: 41
    AUG is not a needle in a haystack!
    To strike with a wing, she needs to approach the target by about 500-600 km.
    The main zone of the BS KPUG is the Eastern Mediterranean and who will tell me that in this part of the Mediterranean Sea, Our means at sea and in the air will not detect AUG?
    From there and to the Indian Ocean, missiles from ships and aircraft Mig 31K will be reached !!!
    There are problems and will always be, they are overcome quickly or slowly, but overcome!)))
  4. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 5 January 2023 13: 41
    And why else do you need frigates of the 1st rank, how not to sail the seas-oceans?

    And the rest - the Americans at one time purposefully relied on subsonic sea missiles.
    They are cheaper, smaller, and fit more into the ship. Some analogy of a large kamikaze UAV
  5. ksa Offline ksa
    ksa 5 January 2023 20: 57
    It seems to me that it would be much cheaper to create Liana to bribe a sailor (okay, six sailors) on AUG escort ships. Beacons would be turned on periodically.
  6. polynet Offline polynet
    polynet (polinet) 6 January 2023 00: 36
    Quote from Alternative
    Yes, they will bang him like a Moscow cruiser. Given the current political situation in the country, this frigate is just a bunch of junk.

    are you sure about that?
  7. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 6 January 2023 13: 42
    The main purpose of the frigate is to fight against air and underwater enemies while escorting the main forces of the fleet and especially important convoys. Where are the cruisers, destroyers? What kind of ships can constantly patrol the coast of the United States?
  8. Shuev Offline Shuev
    Shuev 6 January 2023 13: 52
    A circus with "Zircon" for a demonstration in the Indian Ocean, you can spend less fuel and run somewhere closer or by spending on Ratnik, a reconnaissance drone, and you would not have to send the ex-head of Roscosmos for a demonstration.

    Fireworks, especially before the revolution, were popular

    A short circuit on a power line also looks spectacular, why not?

    Rublyov's manners are some and spending

    Sarmat and Gorshkov are better
  9. usm5 Offline usm5
    usm5 (George) 6 January 2023 17: 16
    The war in Ukraine revealed that Russia categorically lacks the means of early detection and targeting. In order to detect sea targets for Zircons at a distance of at least 1000 km and ensure stable target designation, it is necessary to raise the radar above the earth's surface to a height of at least 70 km. The same problem applies to air defense systems of the S-500 and S-400 types. They have missiles to hit targets at ranges of 400 and even 500 km, but their radars can only capture a low-flying target at a range of 25-30 km.
    Long-range guidance can only be provided by special satellites or stratospheric airships, but they are also very vulnerable. Several detonations of 500-kiloton thermonuclear munitions in near space are guaranteed to destroy all satellites with corpuscular radiation and an electromagnetic pulse, ionize the earth's atmosphere for a long time, making it impenetrable to radio waves. In a word, all these Zircons, Daggers, Vanguards, Poseidons, etc. with a thermonuclear charge are weapons for a global preventive disarming strike. Then 16 "Zircons" can easily destroy 16 enemy ship groups. If the first strike will be delivered by NATO, then they will begin by incapacitating a small satellite constellation of the Russian Federation. After that, all superweapons will remain without eyes and ears, but for now, our Foreign Ministry will begin to express protest and concern towards the Russian Federation at a time, thousands of cruise missiles will fly at low altitude. And then it won’t be interesting at all, because we will probably end up in paradise, and there we won’t care if they die or not.
  10. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 6 January 2023 22: 50
    Any literary work from a miniature to a novel (and the like) is built according to a once and for all established scheme: plot, climax and denouement. Any other construction has nothing to do with literature. For example entries in the logbook or a written order or any document. If we consider an article as a literary work, then the entire article is subordinate to its main part - the plot. Both the climax and the denouement will depend on it. What do we have in the tie? Everything seems to be good there is a good warship, it is equipped with powerful weapons, the climax says that all difficulties have been overcome and more such ships are needed and then they can effectively resist all threats as part of the Navy. And then - bam! The denouement in which, it would seem, according to what was written earlier, you need to rejoice and be sure that the defense is in good hands and you can sleep peacefully and be sure of a peaceful future, we *suddenly* have the fact that the entire leadership of the country from top to bottom are dumb sheep, whatever industry neither science meets the spirit and demands of our time, that the entire Navy, the only thing it is capable of is just how to swim. He has no eyes, no ears, no brains, and is not capable of anything other than targets! There are no support satellites (it’s good that the author has not agreed that there are none at all) and Russia cannot, in principle, resist anyone at sea in the ocean. Or maybe the author simply does not know how many Russian satellites are in orbit? Or maybe he simply should not know this, and if so, he cannot draw any conclusions on this matter, painting in a negative light both our leadership and our industry and the entire Navy?
  11. Vitalik Offline Vitalik
    Vitalik (Vitalik) 7 January 2023 22: 43
    Oh friends, on the one hand, we read and hear these victorious speeches, and on the other hand, we see how twenty some army of the world has been driving the second army of the world through the steppes and forests of Ukraine for almost a year now. If cities are taken for half a year (Bakhmut, Solidar, etc.), then what kind of effectiveness of hostilities? And what about our regroupings, forced withdrawals of troops? Well, in addition, Wagner PMCs are much more effective than the army, but what for then the army? And in the end, someone answer, why do we need "new territories"?
  12. Indifferent Offline Indifferent
    Indifferent 16 January 2023 01: 00
    Author, are you not ashamed to write about knots per hour? If you don't know the ford, don't stick your head in the water!
  13. Kuramori Reika Offline Kuramori Reika
    Kuramori Reika (Kuramori Reika) 17 January 2023 05: 31
    When your president chews snot, no matter how many weapons you have, they will rust in the docks and silos.