How Ukrainian drones flew over three frontiers of the Russian air defense system

How Ukrainian drones flew over three frontiers of the Russian air defense system

On December 26, 2022, a Ukrainian drone attacked the airfield of the Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the city of Engels, Saratov Region. Again. And again, for the second time in a month, the UAV sent by the Armed Forces of Ukraine was able to reach the target, flying about 700 kilometers over Russian territory, which cost the lives of three of our servicemen. What is going on?


It would seem that after the Ukrainian military was able to carry out a number of relatively successful air attacks on Russian military airfields located deep in the rear, the right conclusions should have been immediately drawn and specific decisions taken. Sorry, but the damage to two strategic missile-carrying bombers, which we have innumerable, as a result of the explosion of the ancient Soviet "Strizh", turned by the Armed Forces of Ukraine into a "kamikaze", is no joke! However, the air attack was repeated again, and the Ukrainian drone again somehow managed to fly to a military facility of strategic importance, which, of course, is the base airfield of the Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

After the first case, which can still be attributed to rear carelessness, the author of the lines wanted to constantly swear emotionally. After the second - just shrug your shoulders in bewilderment and ask yourself what is going on with the air defense system over the country?

The most interesting thing is that we already have two systems at once - military air defense and air defense forces, and NATO strategists “greeted” the Russian anti-aircraft gunners with the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine just on the Military Air Defense Day, which is celebrated on December 26. Well, that's hardly a coincidence, right? To understand the black humor of the Anglo-Saxons, one should take into account the entire history of reforming the domestic air defense system, which today does not exist as a single one.

The air defense forces as a separate branch of the armed forces existed in Russia until 1998, when, on the orders of President Yeltsin, they began to reform by merging into a single structure with the Air Force while reducing their numbers. The idea of ​​building a unified system of Aerospace Defense (VKO) was hatched in the depths of the Russian Ministry of Defense from the beginning of the XNUMXs, but it was decided on only after Anatoly Serdyukov was appointed head of the military department. For this purpose, four groupings of troops were created in the main strategic directions - "West", "East", "Center" and "South", to which the main groupings of all types and branches of troops were transferred. The Air Force and Air Defense armies were withdrawn from the direct subordination of the Air Force High Command and transferred to the operational-strategic command "in the field", which now includes the Northern Fleet as a new military district.

What did it all lead to?

Moreover, the unified air defense system (VKO) over the country has de facto collapsed. In a combat situation, the real control of the Russian Air Force and Air Defense armies is carried out by the leadership of the four districts and the Northern Fleet. What then does the High Command of the Aerospace Forces do? In fact, it performs the function of combat control only of the 1st Air Defense and Missile Defense Army for special purposes. As the military rightly complains, the commanders of the five armies of the Air Force and Air Defense of the military districts are not even present at the regular military councils held in the Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces, and the Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces directly controls only the forces of the Aerospace Defense Forces allocated to him from the districts as part of combat duty and only in peacetime.

In other words, there is currently no unified air defense system over the Russian Federation. The military air defense is part of the Ground Forces, where it is responsible for covering ground forces, and the air defense troops are part of the Russian Aerospace Forces and are responsible for repelling aggression in the aerospace sphere and protecting command posts of the highest levels of state and military control from air and space strikes , as well as objects of national importance.

In practice, this means that Ukrainian drones had to first somehow overcome the zone of operation of the military air defense system covering the area of ​​​​the special military operation in Ukraine and our troops along the line of contact, and then go through the zone of responsibility of the country's air defense, which should control and protect air borders of the Russian Federation. And only then the "Swifts" entered the third line of defense - military air defense, covering directly the military airfields of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, which shot them down. A fair question arises, how effectively do all these three lines of air defense interact with each other that the outdated Ukrainian Tu-141s, never stealth drones, could fly to Engels for the second time without hindrance?

But what if, instead of the Swifts, American strategic missile-carrying bombers would fly in?

A few days ago, serious reforms of the Russian army were announced at the extended board of the Russian Defense Ministry, the need for which became obvious following the results of 10 months of a special military operation in Ukraine. This is undoubtedly a step in the right direction. However, what has recently been happening in the skies over our country strongly points to the need to roll back "Serdyukovism" back in the sphere of the air defense system. Otherwise, you can wait for a very big trouble.
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  1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 27 December 2022 16: 59
    +21
    Excellent work by the "fifth column" and agents of influence in the interests of the United States. The best disguise for a spy in Russia is stupidity. She is treated with respect and not punished.
    1. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
      Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) 27 December 2022 20: 23
      +14
      A column, not a column, as much demagogy as possible. These generals sleep at meetings, and steal in the service, but in no way work out their dachas for the state. check. Still and entirely heroes of Russia. Shameful!
      If no one is filmed, then all these benevolent arguments will not be worth a penny, and this article will be ink.
      1. sap Offline sap
        sap (Alex) 3 January 2023 11: 00
        0
        These generals sleep at meetings, and steal in the service

        They do everything only that allows (orders) Glavsterkh.
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  2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 27 December 2022 17: 05
    +12
    Here, more than one air defense of the Russian Federation is to blame, here NATO specialists put their hands on it, having forgiven the option of bypassing the built air defense, since intelligence allowed, when any civilian ships flew over the Russian Federation, there were hidden intelligence officers. Yes, and satellite intelligence hangs over the Russian Federation. They have enough information to protect successful sabotage, of which we already have quite a few. Ukrainian Armed Forces of Ukraine are only executors of the plans of the Anglo-Saxons ....
    1. vladivan Offline vladivan
      vladivan (Vladimir) 27 December 2022 18: 40
      +10
      There are cheaper analogues of our air defense! This is a pine air defense system, an arrow 10m3, a wasp-akm1. Such air defense systems can cover hundreds of strategic objects, including on the border with Ukraine against UAVs. But our generals from mo, small Soviet weapons were almost not needed! And these air defense systems did not look modern. But more expensive air defense systems were not needed in large quantities. In our central government, there are only traitors to the country around. In addition to left money and to rob themselves of more property, while they are in high positions in the ap, mo, gsh, gd, sf FSB, they are not interested in anything else
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 27 December 2022 18: 57
        +1
        (Vladivan) In air defense, the main thing is to detect the enemy in time, and then follow and destroy an easier task. To cover large areas, you need "big eyes" - strong radar and dispersed definitely on the ground. But even then loopholes in the terrain are possible, which was probably used in the last raid on the air base in Engels.
      2. oao Offline oao
        oao (Chizhov Kirill) 28 December 2022 03: 06
        +11
        Keep it simple, there are no traitors. This is their (generals and below) standard state. Do nothing, do not learn, do not analyze, do not prove. They can't do anything, they don't know how and they don't want to. The army is a thing in itself. If at the very least there is minimal public control in the civilian world, then in the Moscow Region all the greats and stars in the expansion of shoulder straps.
      3. vik669 Offline vik669
        vik669 (vik669) 28 December 2022 09: 37
        0
        The operation is very, very carefully prepared; say, if there are 38 snipers, then each sniper has a target, and he sees this target all the time. She - the target - moves, and he moves with his eyes, so to speak, constantly, constantly, in this way.
  3. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 27 December 2022 17: 07
    +15
    and what can change, during the time of the SVO there have already been so many cases and nothing has changed, just remember the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, it will change when it arrives in the Kremlin, on the head of the commander-in-chief
    1. Panzerjäger Offline Panzerjäger
      Panzerjäger 27 December 2022 17: 50
      +10
      IMHO, just then, and nothing else, only when PERSONAL security is baked, then they immediately run in.
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 27 December 2022 22: 52
        +4
        But it will be too late.
  4. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 27 December 2022 17: 14
    +16
    The author does not take into account that the army includes not only air defense, but also RTV - radio engineering troops. It is they who should control the field over the country. And how to do this if the LAST educational institution for training RTV officers - the Military Institute of Radio Electronics in St. Petersburg - was closed by Olesya Podgornaya from Taburetkin's team back in April 2011. There is no single field. Once an A-50 flew into Siberia and everyone was terribly surprised - hundreds of unknown objects fly there. So do not come to the air defense. They play the best they can.
    1. vladivan Offline vladivan
      vladivan (Vladimir) 27 December 2022 18: 53
      +1
      This is the VEGA concern, he developed the A-50 aircraft, there is the TU-214R. But why do our generals need such expensive cars! They thought they could do without these reconnaissance aircraft, they were preparing for a global war. Maybe that’s why they began to install the Voronezh radar everywhere. and on the canals, what defenders of the fatherland they are! they wanted this so that no one would peer into the property of housing
      1. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
        Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 29 December 2022 15: 48
        +1
        The Voronezhs have a different function - a warning about a missile attack. They are doing their job. Together with satellites "Tundra"
    2. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 29 December 2022 16: 49
      -2
      Vasya 225. Why do they forget that Russian satellites fly in space, which can easily calculate what is flying over the area and immediately send the command to the control center. Apparently, the specialists in this tracking are the same specialists as a bear from a hare. But in the movies and on all sorts of holidays, such miracles tell about what the army can do, that the three heroes blush about their inaction compared to the "real" aces in defense on earth, sea and space. It is amazing that starting from the coast of the Black Sea from the side of Mother's Odessa, we could follow the other side of the Black Sea, where the Turks were and succeeded, to the smallest detail in the 1960s. Now the satellites are flying, but apparently they have run out of belzin, or kervosin, or candles and they don’t see anything. 30 years have not learned anything new, except to steal and take in the paw. More precisely, they can buy everything over the hill, but apparently they forgot.
  5. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 27 December 2022 17: 47
    +4
    This is for sure HPP - to misinform the enemy.
    They also wrote here that our Radars see the whole of Europe, including all stealth aircraft ..
  6. Panzerjäger Offline Panzerjäger
    Panzerjäger 27 December 2022 18: 13
    +11
    At one time in the USSR at the turn of the 70s and 80s there was already an experiment when the air defense districts were liquidated and air defense forces and means were transferred to the operational subordination of the military districts of the Ground Forces. As a result, we got a complete mess, when instead of a single field of responsibility, say, over the Black Sea, where the air defense district was, TWO lines of responsibility were formed: one for the Odessa Military District, the second for the North Caucasus. It is the same in the Baltic and on the western borders. In general, nothing good came of such a stripe, I had to return everything as it was.
  7. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 27 December 2022 18: 18
    +11
    as a result of the explosion of the ancient Soviet "Strizh", turned by the Armed Forces of Ukraine into a "kamikaze"

    This ancient "Swift" will be cooler than the "Caliber". And it was not the Armed Forces of Ukraine who turned it, but NATO specialists. They pulled out all the equipment for reconnaissance, left only the engine, stuffed it with their advanced giblets, and it turned out to be a super super-sonic cruise missile, and with a decent supply of explosives. Since they cover the "Pantsiri" airfield, their range is not large, and then they captured and shot down. This monstrous explosive charge that this "Swift" was carrying exploded in the air, and since it was above the sound level, the debris flew to the airfield. The main question that is. Why does an object easily fly across the country to a strategic airfield ??? Well, it's good that he is at least somehow covered. And if they start shooting at cities? They are all not covered (even by "Shells") And where is the monstrous response to this blatant provocation ??? Or have we already been banned from hitting power plants?
  8. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 27 December 2022 18: 35
    +6
    Is it generally known where these "Swifts" took off from?
    It seems that the enemy finds holes in the air defense after analyzing satellite intelligence data using AI. Found one route - and implemented. We plugged this hole, and they found a new one. Do we have the ability to test our own air defense with the help of AI?. In theory, you need to have the most accurate digital terrain map, with the possibility of modeling missile defense / air defense overlap zones on it.
    It looks like the enemy has it.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 27 December 2022 20: 30
      +4
      If you fly "quickly-quickly", then he has a lot of chances to fly, taking into account both the relief and the location of the RTV. However, these drones are not supersonic. I'm not sure that he was shot down, as in the first case. Somehow he fell down very unsuccessfully.
  9. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 27 December 2022 19: 20
    0
    right conclusions should have been drawn immediately

    What conclusions to draw? Bought education and blat, do not add mind. The bad guys rule!
  10. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 27 December 2022 19: 38
    +1
    Of course, such surprises will be launched in the future. In theory, it is advisable not to wait until they appear in our airspace, but to wet in advance at the places of their launch or, better, at the structures that launch them, damn it!
    Sharing concern for other cities and, not only military, airfields, I expect that they are already engaged in calculating launch sites and structures on the territory of the fallow negative
  11. Pilot Offline Pilot
    Pilot (Pilot) 27 December 2022 19: 38
    +5
    Well, if Shoigu only knows how to read a piece of paper .... ??? And he's not a soldier.
  12. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 27 December 2022 19: 53
    0
    Russia is full of empty villages where you can build entire factories for the production of drones. And no one will know where they take off from. For the authorities do not care in the deepest way what is happening in the villages.
  13. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 27 December 2022 21: 03
    +5
    After the first case, which can still be attributed to rear carelessness, the author of the lines wanted to constantly swear emotionally. After the second - just shrug your shoulders in bewilderment and ask yourself what is going on with the air defense system over the country?

    smile

    To understand the black humor of the Anglo-Saxons, one should take into account the entire history of reforming the domestic air defense system, which today does not exist as a single one.

    The idea of ​​building a unified system of Aerospace Defense (VKO) was hatched in the depths of the Russian Ministry of Defense from the beginning of the XNUMXs, but it was decided on only after Anatoly Serdyukov was appointed head of the military department. For this purpose, four groupings of troops were created in the main strategic directions - "West", "East", "Center" and "South", to which the main groupings of all types and branches of troops were transferred. The Air Force and Air Defense armies were withdrawn from the direct subordination of the Air Force High Command and transferred to the operational-strategic command "in the field", which now includes the Northern Fleet as a new military district.

    Well, let's hang all the miscalculations on Serdyukov and his Madame Vasilyeva.

    What did it all lead to?

    Moreover, the unified air defense system (VKO) over the country has de facto collapsed.

    Well, here Serdyukov is to blame, we remember this, probably Ivanov and others who were in the Moscow Region before him.

    In other words, there is currently no unified air defense system over the Russian Federation.

    Well, there is still no air defense, and Serdyukov has been gone for many years now. And who do we have instead of him and what have we been preparing for and very hard since 2014?

    However, what has recently been happening in the skies over our country strongly points to the need to roll back "Serdyukovism" back in the sphere of the air defense system. Otherwise, you can wait for a very big trouble.

    If we Sergey roll back, it means that everything that we did after Serdyukov in 10 years under Shoigu is just a waste of precious time and taxpayers' money. We laughed at tomahawks in Syria, now a good half of the world, if not more, is laughing at us and our leaky air defense .The Anglo-Saxons have taken us by the head and are poking their nose at our lies and lies in front of the whole world in front of the air defense day. Cool? I think it’s the coolest!
  14. Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) 27 December 2022 21: 19
    -1
    A few days ago, serious reforms of the Russian army were announced at the expanded board of the Russian Defense Ministry, the need for which became obvious following the results of 10 months of a special military operation in Ukraine

    Let's not talk about some "practical actions" here. It's clear with them. Nothing, zero! Engels was bombed twice - the answer was two transformers, which were replaced in three days.
    For something else. If a gang of gopniks has pinned you to the wall and you only have the strength for one strong blow, what is the right thing to do? That's right - choose the main one and try to get it. If you succeed, you can leave with your head up.
    So: at the beginning, adopt laws on the annulment of the Belovezhskaya agreements and declare that all former republics belong to the USSR-2, respectively, and about the holy war for the liberation of Ukraine.
    Substantiate the facts and present the United States with claims to support Ukraine with intelligence in striking at Engels. Warn that if something like this is repeated anywhere, there will be strikes on targets in the United States. "Poseidons! - your way out! The largest US naval bases are Norfolk and San Diego. Sweep them off the face of the Earth and you will be happy.
    Of course, before that, alert all carriers of the Russian Federation. Submarines of the Northern Fleet - under the ice of the ocean, submarines of the Pacific Fleet - into the depths of the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbOkhotsk, aircraft in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe North Pole, mines of the Strategic Missile Forces - open.
    1. Alexander Tutunenko (Alexander Tutunenko) 28 December 2022 02: 25
      +3
      Teacher, where is the guarantee that Poseidons are not another Putin fake?
  15. Gulo Offline Gulo
    Gulo (Anatoly) 27 December 2022 22: 00
    +1
    Only a "pale-faced" can blunt a rake twice. There are no words, only obscene emotions.
  16. Pro100 Offline Pro100
    Pro100 (Vladimir Babaev) 27 December 2022 23: 49
    +5
    Yes, the Union was feared (respected) for a reason. It was a powerful state. He provided everyone with weapons, otherwise there would have been nothing to fight with.
  17. Otto Davar Offline Otto Davar
    Otto Davar (Otto Davar) 27 December 2022 23: 54
    0
    As the well-known proverb says -

    What is pop, such is parish.
  18. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 28 December 2022 01: 29
    0
    And what does our Verkhglavkom / President / Guarantor of the Constitution do in general ?? Is this just some kind of a cover?
    1. Snail N9 Offline Snail N9
      Snail N9 (Snail) 28 December 2022 02: 46
      +4
      Stop criticizing the leadership, it has objective reasons - Polovtsy, Pechenegs, and "galoshes" from the USSR ...
    2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 28 December 2022 12: 01
      +4
      Quote: Cooper
      And what does our Verkhglavkom / President / Guarantor of the Constitution do in general ?? Is this just some kind of a cover?

      he has a lot of important things to do - speak at CIS summits, tell children about his grandmothers and mother, give stars of heroes to generals, although the fighters get the maximum order for courage, but this is nonsense, in addition, he needs to be able to show himself well in the program - Moscow, Kremlin, Putin. And there are many more important and necessary things
  19. Dmitry Paly Offline Dmitry Paly
    Dmitry Paly (Dmitry Paly) 28 December 2022 02: 47
    0
    As long as stupid decision makers are in power, as long as there is "just to agree" - until then we will either be soaked in shit like this, or our cities will begin to seriously slander. And they will be right! So what? We are their ENEMIES! These are for us, my, "fraternal people", the next, "brothers". Everything seems to be gone... the chances of winning are less and less...
    And this, despite the fact that everything can be solved for a day !! I am shocked and horrified by our impotents in the offices!
  20. Event Observer Offline Event Observer
    Event Observer (Oleg T) 28 December 2022 03: 34
    +5
    Introduces the Stalinist system. Responsible for every miscalculation. And also to cut off the head of those who did not watch over those who were responsible. And of course the dachas and all the property in the fund of orphans and widows who fell on the battlefield.
    Only in this way and nothing else.
  21. Alexander Ponamarev (Alexander Ponamarev) 28 December 2022 04: 09
    0
    Serdyukov is not in the zone yet? However,,, It's annoying that everyone knows what kind of firewood they broke in air defense ...... And how can you punish your dear godfather!?!?!?!?
    1. Pro100 Offline Pro100
      Pro100 (Vladimir Babaev) 29 December 2022 15: 39
      0
      Officials of this level cannot be imprisoned, they know military secrets. They can issue. Therefore, under Stalin there was one way out, to the wall.
    2. sap Offline sap
      sap (Alex) 3 January 2023 11: 16
      0
      Information slipped that he left the Russian Federation and his phone was out of reach!
  22. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 28 December 2022 05: 55
    +3
    If the air defense system did not detect Ukrainian drones, how can you be sure that they flew 700 km? Maybe they flew out of some abandoned village in the Kursk or Kaluga region .... or from a dacha village. I believe that for takeoff they do not need a concrete strip a kilometer long ....
  23. staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) 28 December 2022 06: 22
    -2
    Not only do we not have air defense, the concept of a retaliatory strike does not work for us either. Everything should happen automatically. Attacked the base of the strategists will get a nuclear strike. Right now, I'll say something offensive. Our politicians have turned our country into a rugged country that everyone wipes their feet on. If, having nuclear weapons at its disposal, endure humiliation from all sides, then humiliation will become deadly. Now there are threats to destroy Putin right at his workplace in the Kremlin. Can they? They can. The strategists were able to reach the base. Lavrov had to be threatened in response, although this is not his business, he is a diplomat, not a military man. It's time for us to uncover to the fullest. Europe must be destroyed by nuclear weapons or we will be destroyed. Why Europe and not the USA because Europe is NATO on our borders, and the USA is behind a puddle and the USA is strong in Europe.
  24. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 28 December 2022 08: 35
    +6
    I can hardly believe that this "swift" was shot down at all. For people died, allegedly from fragments. I don’t believe that puffers are so cretins that they shoot down a drone above their head so that the fragments would kill them.
    Yes, their calculation is something special? No one noticed this swift for 700 km of flight, and even when he did not reach the target of 100 meters, he was noticed and shot down. Where are our drill planes?
    For what downs is this story made up? And when they start telling the truth
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 29 December 2022 17: 03
      +3
      They will speak the truth, the people will not sleep. Will not sleep will begin to think, who is to blame for the fact that we can not sleep? Who shakes us with fear and in general, what kind of life is this, like rusty tin?!
  25. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 28 December 2022 09: 51
    +2
    In fact, our air defense is extremely leaky, since we cannot even protect strategic facilities. Shooting down enemy objects directly above them is not a defense. Another branch of our troops showed its holes.
  26. Dmitrich_2 Offline Dmitrich_2
    Dmitrich_2 (in B) 28 December 2022 10: 20
    +1
    Why "Strizh"?
    Found the wreckage
    Flew 700-800 km. So ?
    And if not "Strizh"?
    Options. Another aircraft. Flew 200 km from Kazakhstan.
    Could be launched from our territory. The border along the steppes is 3 km. and transport in a partially disassembled form is not difficult. I think to whom it is necessary, consider all options.
    1. Dmitrich_2 Offline Dmitrich_2
      Dmitrich_2 (in B) 28 December 2022 10: 22
      0
      I'll add myself. And this version explains the flight past the entire air defense system. Sunset from the east at low altitude from a deserted area.
  27. Antor Offline Antor
    Antor 28 December 2022 10: 34
    +6
    Stop blaming Taburetkin, it's time to ask those who never woke up after him and rest on their great and terrible laurels .. !!! It seems that a generation has grown up in us, not only of those who do not want to defend their homeland for the sake of saving their skins, but ..... and of those who cannot from among the carriers in uniform with big stars. What were they prepared for, what exercises did they work out, what did they develop in the troops, if today one mistake after mistake with multi-billion dollar losses, starting from plundering army equipment .... to damaging strategic bombers !!! Now, in the course of the JWO, a lot has become clear, we have to admit ... but here's how quickly positive changes will occur .... and this is the main question. After all, allowing strategic bombers to be hit twice, with human losses, is a disgrace and an indicator of serious holes and irresponsibility not only in our air defense organization. !!!
    1. Sasha Koblov Offline Sasha Koblov
      Sasha Koblov (Sasha Koblov) 28 December 2022 17: 17
      -1
      Exactly - SHAME!
    2. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 29 December 2022 17: 08
      +1
      How was it prepared for what? Didn't they see the competition on TV - whose tank will run the hundred meters faster? Which tank throws grenades, spears and pushes the cannonballs the furthest. Long jumps. Instead of the western borders, they arranged these competitions in the Far East and still won. From fear, all the tigers' tails were dirty.
  28. Vadim Sharygin Offline Vadim Sharygin
    Vadim Sharygin (Citizen) 28 December 2022 13: 24
    0
    It turns out like this: there is no longer enough time, and most importantly, will and competence for successful defense and offensive. As a result, there is a direct threat and damage to strategic carriers of nuclear weapons. Then, the use of our tactical nuclear weapons will inevitably follow, since they cannot do otherwise, but in response to our tactical nuclear weapons there will be an attack by the Poles on Kaliningrad, then only strategic nuclear weapons. Total: tiaoxiao, which in "Chinese" means krindets.
    1. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 28 December 2022 14: 07
      -2
      That's just when we use tactical nuclear weapons, they will begin to reckon with us and negotiate. Because no one needs to bring the situation to the point of strategic nuclear weapons. Especially the USA. They have something to lose. But our so-called elite, the gut for this is thin. There is no will or determination to do so. And the West knows it.
      1. zenion Offline zenion
        zenion (zinovy) 29 December 2022 17: 10
        +1
        In order to be considered and agreed, it is necessary to act according to the plan - beat your own, so that strangers would be afraid. On which Russian region to drop a nuclear bomb, what would Europe wear in their pants?
  29. Pavel57 Offline Pavel57
    Pavel57 (Paul) 28 December 2022 13: 29
    +3
    You can thank the enemies for science.
    Only conclusions must be drawn by ourselves and without delay.
  30. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 28 December 2022 14: 35
    0
    Otherwise, you can wait for a very big trouble!

    But what about "Serdyukovism"?
    Rust flew to any "Serdyukovism".
    And this turned out to be an omen of the collapse of the Union State.
    Now it is becoming increasingly clear that V. Putin, like M. Gorbachev, has lost the reins of government, and if he is not replaced: the collapse of the Russian Federation is predetermined!

    Where to get? We have any second in Turkmenistan - Ayatollah, and even Khomeini.

    V.Vysotsky
  31. Sasha Koblov Offline Sasha Koblov
    Sasha Koblov (Sasha Koblov) 28 December 2022 15: 00
    0
    At the beginning The air defense head does not work properly, it does not think about it.
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 29 December 2022 17: 11
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      It cannot be that such a general would have a squint of the brain!
  32. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 28 December 2022 15: 04
    +1
    Yes, once it can still be called an accident, but twice this is already a systemic failure of our air defense. It seems that no conclusions were drawn from the first attack, neither where the drone was launched from, nor the route of its movement, nor the reasons for its non-detection were found out, therefore, proper measures were not taken to exclude repeated cases. If we assume that a swift from somewhere in Ukraine flew about 700 km to Engels and was not detected, then it turns out that we have no air defense at all in this direction. Which is incredible. Most likely it was launched either from our territory (Kalmykia, Astrakhan region, Volgograd region, etc.) or from Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan. Getting a drone in trucks there is not a problem, given the history of the Crimean bridge. Then that explains a lot. But in no way does it justify the deplorable state of our air defense organization and the inability of its command to correct the situation. In the last case, it is not clear what kind of UAV it was and how, after the defeat, it could get into the building with the technical staff.
  33. helilelik Offline helilelik
    helilelik (Alexey) 28 December 2022 15: 19
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    Here the other day Comrade. Eun launched a drone that flew all the way to Seoul. Did Serdyukov work there too?
  34. Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) 28 December 2022 15: 48
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    Here one blogger believes that Swifts are launched from the territory of Georgia. Further, using the folds of the mountains (he counted 3 possible routes), Swifts go to the Caspian between the cities. And there are no obstacles over the Caspian and beyond the steppe zone.
  35. DeadPahom Offline DeadPahom
    DeadPahom (Eugene) 28 December 2022 16: 07
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    Any air defense systems have vulnerabilities. It must be understood that in addition to the enemy drone, dozens of aircraft are constantly in the air (VKS, army aviation, civil aviation). The identification of potentially dangerous objects is an extremely difficult task in such a situation. We do not have Ukraine, and air defense forces cannot shoot down everything that moves. Foreign aircraft do not even have defendants. If you shoot missiles at the slightest suspicion, then shooting down a civilian ship with passengers is a matter of time. It is unrealistic to close the European part of Russia for flights. Choose the lesser of evils. The drone was most likely shot down while entering a no-fly zone. This zone is not unlimited, and a downed carcass would inevitably fall somewhere. Unfortunately, people died.
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 28 December 2022 16: 16
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      Excuse: "reasoned" - but clumsy!
      "UAV" or "UAV"?
      It is interesting: when the next attack will fall on ... the Kremlin - what will be the references to the objective reasons for the failure of the air defense?
  36. Sasha Koblov Offline Sasha Koblov
    Sasha Koblov (Sasha Koblov) 28 December 2022 17: 15
    -1
    Because the US satellites were laying the route, we have the right to disable them .....
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 29 December 2022 17: 13
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      And if it is Russian satellites who are doing this, in a blatant way, who is needed and with what?
  37. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 28 December 2022 18: 05
    +4
    The liberal government of thieves is to blame for everything. NATO has tested the effectiveness of its work. The first time the drones flew to the target, the second time it also happened, which means there will be more arrivals. In the Russian Federation, air defense is full of holes. The AWACS A-100 aircraft has been made by the VEGA concern for 20 years, maybe in 2030 it will go to the RF Armed Forces, or maybe by that time it will not be needed. 15 years ago, a stationary AWACS (Airborne Early Warning and Control System) based on an airship was considered, i.e. the airship is tied with a cable, but the generals from the Moscow Region said the Americans do not use it, the Europeans do not use it, which means we do not need it either. An airship on which antennas, equipment (10 tons) hangs at a height of 10-15 km and is connected to the ground by a cable-rope through which power is supplied, control and information is taken. Hangs in the air for 6 months. The optical horizon is 500 km. Cheap and very angry. Here is an example of the illiteracy of the generals of the Russian Federation.
  38. Alexander Dutov Offline Alexander Dutov
    Alexander Dutov (Alexander Dutov) 28 December 2022 18: 34
    +1
    In such a serious matter, one must be objective and there is something to learn from Mikhail Sergeevich in his war, who instantly brought the snickering air defense generals to their senses ... But still, in vain, he did not give the Hero to Matthias Rust
  39. Alex Tarhov Offline Alex Tarhov
    Alex Tarhov (Alex Tarhov) 28 December 2022 21: 12
    +1
    Retired Minister of Defense
  40. Fangaro Offline Fangaro
    Fangaro (Fangaro) 28 December 2022 21: 47
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    I ask the author to read the comments on all the news that relate to the second "incident" at the airfield in Engels.
    Part of the text, after reading the opinions of explicit career officers, can either be deleted or changed.
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  42. asr55 Offline asr55
    asr55 (asr) 29 December 2022 14: 21
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    I think we will soon find out from where they were launched. Many experts say that their launch was from the territory of Kazakhstan, there is 300 km in a straight line.
  43. savage3000 Offline savage3000
    savage3000 (Savage) 30 December 2022 00: 20
    +1
    For these old men, at least a stake on your head is of no use and is not visible in the future.
    1. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 30 December 2022 09: 57
      0
      The tumor must be removed, treatment is impossible. No.
  44. Amper Offline Amper
    Amper (Vlad) 30 December 2022 09: 55
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    What happened, what happened!? Everything is natural! what It would be strange if it didn't happen! fellow It happened, what should have happened after 30 years of "triumphant procession" of the buy-sell regime. soldier bully
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  47. Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 2 January 2023 11: 19
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    The author is not competent in the issue he is discussing ... What is it worth to equate such an air defense goal as a low-flying "swift" with a strategic bomber ... It's like comparing green with a short one ...
  48. sap Offline sap
    sap (Alex) 3 January 2023 11: 22
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    Quote: zenion
    On which Russian region to drop a nuclear bomb, what would Europe wear in their pants?

    A lot of them! Start from Kharkov to Lvov inclusive!
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  50. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 3 January 2023 12: 17
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    If Mr. Medvedev had not been elected president, there would have been no Serdyukov either. Dozens of military schools would have remained intact. By the way, which for some reason are not being restored to this day. they didn’t hold a machine gun in their hands. Contract soldiers are then recruited from them, so the chain of military non-professionals continues. There are a lot of civilian disciplines in military schools, and there is little in the profile. The same mess is in civilian schools. My son went to school after school to study for an auto mechanic, for three years he never held a key in his hands. Naturally, after graduation, not a single graduate went to work in his specialty. The same training is in GA schools. I hope that in medical schools and medical institutes students are taught on a different basis.
  51. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 3 January 2023 16: 13
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    It happens, it happens often. Fornication attacked the planes and they did not know where to fly. There are countries that still do not know what kind of power to build, or at least what to call it.
  52. Pilot Offline Pilot
    Pilot (Pilot) 4 January 2023 18: 47
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    It is necessary to march in parades ... to arrange tank biathlons and exhibitions. Report to the Supreme on updating equipment by 70%
  53. usm5 Offline usm5
    usm5 (George) 5 January 2023 21: 29
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    The problem is that low-flying targets are detected by their own air defense radars at a distance of 20-25 km.
    So calculate how many air defense systems should be in order to reliably close the line of contact 2000 km long. The NATO satellite constellation periodically detects the location of air defense installations and "lays" the routes of low-flying weapons in such a way that they pass at least 30 km from their radars. So the entire load falls on the object air defense, which has no more than 5 minutes left to hit the target. In order to detect low-flying targets, well, at least at a distance of 400 km and hit them at a distance of at least 200 km, the radars must be raised to a height of 10 km. These radars should also "highlight the target" in order to transmit target designations to the nearest air defense installation for subsequent engagement with long-range missiles. Thus, in order to create a continuous radar field, at least 6 AWACS aircraft should constantly barrage along special routes along special routes at least 7-8 S-400 divisions, and the total grouping of AWACS aircraft should be at least 20 aircraft to implement round-the-clock duty, taking into account the reserve. Well, Russia does not have such a grouping there. There will probably not even be such a number of long-range radar reconnaissance aircraft. That's the whole explanation of the "leaky" sky over strategic objects. NATO has similar problems, but they have a lot more AWACS aircraft, a powerful satellite constellation, and in addition they are actively developing stratospheric airships as a cheap alternative to AWACS aircraft and low earth orbit satellites. Russia is not ready for a modern war with NATO. With the simultaneous launch of thousands of cruise missiles (low-flying targets), our most important targets will certainly be hit. Therefore, thank God that this was revealed in the war with such an adversary as Ukraine. Maybe it will finally reach the leadership of the country in what ass our defense turned out to be. If I'm wrong, please correct me. I welcome criticism..
    1. Afanacij Offline Afanacij
      Afanacij (Athanasius) 10 January 2023 18: 57
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      You understand the general principles correctly, but the specific rules for building an air defense system must be seriously studied. Fantasies are out of place here. Unfortunately, you are not alone; in the current leadership of the country, the concept of air defense is also at the level of fantasy.
  54. Yuri Offline Yuri
    Yuri (Yuri) 10 January 2023 13: 38
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    Again, Serdyukovism is to blame. The author describes three air defense rings of defense along the route of the Swift, and it can be seen that Serdyukov was sitting and on duty in each control room and overlooked the Swift.
  55. Afanacij Offline Afanacij
    Afanacij (Athanasius) 10 January 2023 18: 45
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    A strange mess in the head of the author. On the one hand, he understands that after Decree No. 725 of the drunken Yeltsin of 1997, there are no Air Defense Forces of the country in Russia, and on the other, he invents some kind of mythical frontiers. It was in that "decree" written for narrow-minded people, of which there were a great many at that time, they fantasized about the possibility of mixing bits of various types of air defense, and even scrap metal from the reserve. This does not happen in life, and this is not visible only to the current military leadership of the Russian Federation. Maybe SVO can tell?