Why Germany and France can unite and go against Russia


A while ago we told about the future prospects of the European Union, its bright past and future, which may turn out to be very dark: the sharp impoverishment of the bulk of the population with its Nazism, the divorce of former allies with the expense of "national apartments" in order to somehow survive economic crisis, persecution of migrants, conflicts with European neighbors, the emergence of a new "Fuhrer" with a unifying Russophobic ideology, the Fourth Reich and, of course, the March on the East, where without him?


Scary? Highly. As if Nazi Ukraine is not enough for us, what if, after it, over the next 10-20 years, Russia will be trampled on again by a united Europe, supported by the United States and Great Britain? Meanwhile, there are all the prerequisites for such a negative scenario.

Poor Germany


Germany, one of the two pillars on which the European Union rests along with France, has suffered the most from the consequences of the break with Russia. The German economy, the fourth largest in the world, was built on the use of cheap energy and other resources from our country. Starting in 2014, Berlin, contrary to its national interests, at the behest of Washington, began to break one business relationship with Moscow after another, supporting the neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv. The apotheosis of this economic sadomasochism was the undermining of the Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 underwater gas pipelines, behind which, apparently, were the British intelligence services.

Everything, now there is no way back. Gas prices in Germany are now 5-7 times higher, depending on the time of year, than in the US, which once promised to literally flood the FRG with the "correct" American gas instead of the "wrong" Russian. The German industry has lost all its competitive advantages, which was what the Anglo-Saxons wanted, and was planning to move to the United States, China and even Turkey, which is becoming a new regional energy hub. Understanding into what hole they were driven by inadequate policy Chancellors Merkel and Scholz, ordinary Germans are now preparing for the worst possible scenarios.

In particular, the popular publication Die Welt describes what is happening as follows:

More and more consumers in Germany are struggling to cover the costs of energy, food and basic services. More than three quarters of potential buyers are forced to limit their purchases in stores. Every second of more than a thousand respondents admitted that they can buy only the most necessary things.

Citizens of Germany are now in their mass saving on the purchase of clothes, gadgets, food delivery, travel abroad, they fill cars less often and go to pharmacies. It is not surprising, since the increase in prices for energy products amounted to 43% compared to last year, and for food - 20,3%. Manufacturers shift the increased costs of electricity and raw materials onto the shoulders of end consumers. And this is the famous German middle class, on which all German well-being rests! But before the current economic crisis in Germany, there were, imagine, 13,8 million poor people, whose problems will only get worse.

Now they are at risk of adding another 12 million former members of the middle class, teetering on the brink of poverty. The German sociologist Ulrich Schneider says bluntly that Germany is on the way to becoming a "state of the poor." The same was said the day before by the Deputy Chairman of the Free Democratic Party of Germany (FDP), Vice Speaker of the Bundestag Wolfgang Kubiki:

If we continue to act in the same spirit, paying for years of assistance in the framework of the fight against the energy crisis, then we may be threatened, if not by state socialism, then state bankruptcy. We cannot be in this financial crisis for a long time, in which case there will not be enough money for investment.

Socialism in Germany is hardly. If only National Socialism. Where the hatred of the German people will subsequently be channeled can be judged by the mantras from the German Minister of Economics Robert Habek:

We can only become less dependent on Russian imports if we consider energy savings as our common project in which everyone participates. This will save money and make Putin angry.

The popular publication Spiegel calls the Russian president the culprit of child poverty in Germany. The demonization of the Kremlin is ongoing and on the rise.

French revolution?


Similar processes, but with their own specifics, are also taking place in the Fifth Republic. France, the second pillar on which the European Union rests, has a significant competitive advantage over Germany. About three-quarters of its energy generation traditionally comes from nuclear power, which allowed it to be a net exporter of excess kilowatts to neighboring countries.

However, this year, French nuclear power plants experienced unexpected problems due to the unsatisfactory condition of aging nuclear reactors, and electricity production had to be reduced. From an exporter of electricity, France has become an importer, and its traditional buyers, accordingly, have gone even worse.

All socio-economic problems have worsened within the Fifth Republic itself. There has been a marked decline in business activity, according to a study by S&P Global:

Manufacturers surveyed reported the detrimental impact of reduced new orders, to which firms responded by reducing output. Indecision among customers, inflation and weak underlying market conditions contributed to a drop in new sales.

The French, great masters of shaking the rights, began to act more strongly and decisively in their protests. President Macron is already being frightened by the local media with some kind of “February revolution”.

Interestingly, it is Emmanuel Macron who is now trying to actively act as a mediator in resolving the armed conflict in Ukraine on the basis of finding a compromise with the Kremlin:

Ukraine's accession to NATO would be perceived by Russia as something confrontational. Regardless of whether Ukraine joins NATO or not - and this is not the most likely scenario - it will have to be given security guarantees.

The French president advocates the creation of a new architecture of international security, taking into account the interests of Europe itself:

Europe must defend itself. Europe should get technological autonomy from the United States, to create a real European pillar in NATO. This is not an alternative project.

It should be noted that simultaneously with this peacekeeping, Paris planned the largest military exercises since the end of the Second World War under the name "Orion". According to their legend, a certain aggressive country "Mercury" with the help of armed militias destabilizes the situation in the country "Arnland". To suppress them, France will send its navy of 20 surface ships and submarines, led by the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and a landing helicopter carrier. It is not particularly hidden that Russia is considered as "Mercury", apparently somewhere in the Black Sea region, or Turkey in the Mediterranean.

In other words, Paris is already quite seriously beginning to prepare its fleet and army, imprisoned for colonial wars, for confrontation with a more serious, systemic adversary. Monsieur Macron's peacekeeping in the Ukrainian case can be trusted just as much as Frau Merkel in the Minsk agreements. Both Germany and France are intensely looking for ways out of the socio-economic crisis, but it is likely that in the end they will again follow the beaten track of a united anti-Russian project.
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  1. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 25 December 2022 14: 13
    +4
    Why Germany and France can unite and go against Russia

    Again, that word "may". Divination may not. Maybe an alien landing force will land and take the side of Russia. laughing In principle, this could also be the case.
    1. Vdars Offline Vdars
      Vdars (Victor) 27 December 2022 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Athenogen
      Why Germany and France can unite and go against Russia

      Perhaps the word "should" is more preferable?!
    2. Maxim A Offline Maxim A
      Maxim A (Maksim) 27 December 2022 12: 35
      0
      John Carter will bring the Green Men from Mars...
  2. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 25 December 2022 14: 25
    +1
    So Germany and France (a nuclear power!), de facto, have already united against the Russian Federation under the auspices of the United States - financing and arming Ukraine.
    Putting an end to this is the problem of the "poor" Europeans themselves!
  3. Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) 25 December 2022 14: 47
    -4
    Let's remember why Hitler went to war with the USSR in 1941. Yes, because in 1939-1940 the whole world saw the shame of the Red Army in the Soviet-Finnish war. Now the whole world sees the shame of Russia in Ukraine. A couple more "well-organized" planned retreats and here is the (old) border with the Russian Federation. Whether the Armed Forces of Ukraine will stop at the border is unknown.
    The Russian Federation does not have the will and strength to continue the NWO. Pressed into a shameful corner, Putin will use nuclear weapons (TNW).
    Why not now, with a sane person, Russia does not declare that all subsequent wars will be nuclear. To confirm the words, it is necessary to use nuclear weapons. At least along the training ground in Western Ukraine, at least along the tunnel, at least along the railway crossing at the border.
    Also shoot down reconnaissance vehicles + a couple of spacecraft over the Black Sea. satellites. For this, no one will start a world war, but they will think about it.
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 25 December 2022 14: 59
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      So you are saying that Hitler prepared the war with the USSR in one year?
      I don't really believe.

      The Finnish war was won in three months in a harsh winter and 6 hours of daylight. The Red Army proved its ability to solve combat missions in any conditions. You, my dear, are confusing a won war with a lost one ...

      SHAME is when those who cannot explain why for 10 months puff out their cheeks
      the Avdeevsky fortified area was not taken.

      You have no arguments, except for "then they filled up with corpses," as if it was possible to break through concrete fortifications with corpses ... .. Insanity is growing stronger ... That's exactly a fact.
    2. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 25 December 2022 15: 08
      +1
      Yes, you, Mr. "teacher" are also a provocateur!
      If one missile of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that fell in Poland brought the world to the brink of a big war, what will happen from the use of nuclear weapons? Want to check it out? Then I would wish to isolate you first .. So it will be more reliable ...
    3. KirillM Offline KirillM
      KirillM (Kirill) 26 December 2022 10: 33
      +1
      You can find out where and what was the shame of the Red Army ??
      Why did the Finns write the capitulation then? Why did we then take a large piece of Karelia?? But the shame was all the same the Red Army, right?
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    5. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
      lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 26 December 2022 20: 42
      0
      For this, no one will start a world war, but they will think

      Even the same kind of thing already happened when it was decided that ordinary Ukrainians would be happy to meet our troops during the NMD. In fact, it turned out that this was not the case. So in this case, it is naive to think that we will be forgiven everything.
    6. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 27 December 2022 02: 21
      0
      Didn't you accidentally teach Zelensky as a teacher?
  4. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
    Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 25 December 2022 14: 50
    -5
    A trip to the east for living space and resources is quite a pragmatic idea. Why should humanity suffocate from the lack of both, while simultaneously observing how 1/6 of the land inhabited by only 2% of the planet's population has everything it needs until there is a breakthrough in alternative energy sources. China, a situational companion of the Russian Federation, is more interested in these resources than anyone else. The best minds of the world are working in this direction and it is not a fact that the goals will not be achieved, especially given the inefficiency of the economy and public administration of the Russian Federation.
    The nuclear club did not save the Union from collapse, and the Russian Federation will not help either. By the way, NWO, in its essence, is also an attempt by the Kremlin to expand its living space, which was significantly compressed after the defeat in the Cold War of 91. The population is the Achilles heel of the Russian Federation, Moscow needs people, not territories, they are already huge and poorly managed.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 27 December 2022 02: 31
      0
      Vlad, at your suggestion, going to the West for the economy and advanced industry is a completely pragmatic idea, given that there is already enough living space. Why should Russians be suffocated by sanctions and the imperfection of our economy? We should not wait for what we want from the West, it is our task to take them! Whose it is slightly changed do not tell me?
      1. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
        Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 27 December 2022 12: 06
        0
        You can take it.
    2. Opozdavshiy Offline Opozdavshiy
      Opozdavshiy (Sergei) 31 December 2022 03: 09
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      Why should humanity suffocate from the lack of both, while simultaneously observing how 1/6 of the land inhabited by only 2% of the planet's population has everything you need ...

      Aha! Canada has only officially explored mineral reserves one and a half times more than Russia. And there are four times fewer people there than in Russia. The country occupies 1/10 of the land, where 0.14% of the world's population lives. There, a law was adopted PROHIBITED further exploration. To avoid, presumably!
      Have you heard of Canada as a storehouse of resources somewhere?
      Please comment on these figures, which are easily verified. Unless, of course, you still have some crumbs of conscience.
      But keep in mind that when the old witch Albright was recently credited by the Devil, a French journalist asked a question about Canada's resource reserves and the number of Canadians sufficient to use them. The answer was exhaustive - the journalist disappeared a week later. Was and is not. Still looking for...
  5. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 25 December 2022 15: 19
    -1
    The temptation to defeat Russia has always been precisely because of the archaism of our society.

    Which has been living for a hundred years under all authorities and laws under the actual Absolute Monarchy, and especially now is trying to hide its backwardness by copying the external attributes of "Civilization" ...

    Such as the separation of powers, the President, the White House, the Senate, the Constitution .... everything is "like white people" .....
    This is essentially a type of CARGO cult of the natives of the Polynesian islands.
  6. Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) 25 December 2022 15: 26
    +3
    If one missile of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that fell in Poland brought the world to the brink of a big war, what will happen from the use of nuclear weapons? Want to check it out?

    Put? Yes, they crap themselves at the mere thought of it. By the morning of the next day, a Ukrainian air defense missile had already been announced. It will also be with satellites over Ukraine and AWACS over the Black Sea. But! Russia will demonstrate determination and readiness to use nuclear weapons.
    Of course, before that, it is necessary to expel all characters with dual citizenship from the authorities of the Russian Federation. with accounts abroad.
    When I was leaving Afghanistan, the customs in Tashkent calculated everything: how much I received in cash for the period and whether it corresponds to the contents of my suitcase.
    Now money is being taken out of the apartments of lieutenant colonels of the FSB and others by Kamaz trucks. This is where you need to start.
    I am for timely, now, strikes against Western Ukraine!
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 25 December 2022 21: 33
      -1
      I understand correctly that you cannot cope with the FSB colonels alone, and are you looking for like-minded people? laughing
      1. sap Offline sap
        sap (Alex) 26 December 2022 19: 09
        0
        with FSB colonels

        I remember he remained a retired lieutenant colonel.
        But about like-minded people noticed subtly.
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 27 December 2022 02: 35
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        isofat, one teacher is missing in the fight against the FSB colonels alone - Atu his atu!
  7. Pravodel Offline Pravodel
    Pravodel (ppp) 25 December 2022 15: 43
    +5
    Germany and France can unite and go against Russia

    Here the author, perishing, very excited. But what can you do, for the sake of a biting phrase and crazy fees ... The unification of Germany and France to march on Russia is from the same story as the landing of the Martians somewhere on the coast of Florida. Neither Germany nor France can now fight even with the natives in Africa, not to mention the war with a serious adversary such as Russia. Moreover, the war of France and Germany with Russia is in no way included in the plans of the owner - the United States, which understands that the war of France and Germany with Russia immediately leads to the 3rd World War and Russia's blow to the decision-making centers - the Anglo-Saxons. The United States will make any sacrifices, any agreements, any sacrifices, will go to any lengths to avoid a war between France and Germany and Russia. The United States does not need a war between France and Germany and Russia, just as the 3rd World War in Europe is not needed. That is why the US is pumping weapons into Poland as a safety valve against a possible 3rd World War. The Anglo-Saxons do not feel sorry for the Poles. And the Poles can fight with Russia as well as the Ukrainians to the last Pole. The United States is sure that the 3rd World War cannot start because of the Poles.
    On the other hand, pumping up Poland with weapons, the United States risks, because. the Poles can turn their army not at all where it is intended by the Anglo-Saxons: not to the east, but to the west, to Germany torn to pieces by the Anglo-Saxons. This will be the choice of the Poles and their English friends. In the east, Poland does not know what: either victory, or defeat and war to the last Pole, and in the west - a well-fed, well-fed Germany with a collapsed industry, which only needs to be put into the strong hands of the Polish pans. So, a piece in the west for Poland may turn out to be more tasty than an unknown victory in the east ...
    1. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
      Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 26 December 2022 00: 13
      -1
      I think now all the negotiations are stuck in the redistribution of Ukraine, and the hells of Europe, even at the risk of being torn to pieces by a Russian bear, do not lose hope of chopping off Western Ukraine, naturally "encouraged" by the Anglo-Saxon hawks.
    2. sap Offline sap
      sap (Alex) 26 December 2022 19: 12
      0
      strong hands of the Polish pans.

      That's for sure! five partitions of Poland will not let you lie!
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 27 December 2022 02: 40
      0
      Pravdadel, I somehow already expressed this idea here, but apart from the minuses I got nothing. That's okay, think about it.
    4. Vdars Offline Vdars
      Vdars (Victor) 27 December 2022 11: 04
      0
      A very possible option.
  8. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 25 December 2022 16: 55
    -4
    They themselves will bring their countries to a point that will not be up to us. The crisis is only growing and everything is going to the collapse of their economies. With what will they go against us? With what is? so it will immediately be destroyed. Brad is.
  9. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 25 December 2022 16: 57
    +1
    As if this was not the case in the time of Napoleon. When Napoleon gathered the troops of Europe and went to Russia. And here again, as then. Nenache people fooled and znov to go to Russia. Finally, they already know why and for what.
  10. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 25 December 2022 16: 58
    +1
    Geyropa has problems above the roof. The impoverished middle class is all bullshit. That's what they are going to do with the millions of rabies that they brought in?? They definitely won’t have enough dough for benefits, but they won’t work hard. They didn’t go then .. So - they won’t be up to Russia soon, when all this multi-colored gopa starts to get what she thinks they are obliged to give ..
    1. Constantine N Offline Constantine N
      Constantine N (Constantin N) 25 December 2022 17: 19
      0
      So the United States created problems for Europe on purpose, so that at one moment it had a choice: to continue to become poorer or go to war to the east.
      1. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
        Paul3390 (Paul) 25 December 2022 17: 32
        +2
        But who will go to war? The fighters in the West have long been transferred .. And the rabies will not go - why do they need it, to climb under the bullets, when everything you want is right here, right at your side. It is more pleasant and safer to rob burghers in any way than to whip with Russians.
  11. maiman61 Offline maiman61
    maiman61 (Yuri) 25 December 2022 18: 01
    0
    What nonsense! I don't remember exactly, but the West knows that Russia has either 20 or 2 thousand tactical nuclear warheads! I don't think they want to do an expiration!
    1. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
      Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 25 December 2022 18: 19
      -2
      He had a bigger Union, and where is that Union?
      1. Vdars Offline Vdars
        Vdars (Victor) 27 December 2022 11: 11
        0
        Due to the presence of Gorby and EBN in the Union, it does not exist !!!
    2. KirillM Offline KirillM
      KirillM (Kirill) 26 December 2022 10: 39
      0
      6 kopecks thousand warheads
  12. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 25 December 2022 20: 30
    +2
    Poor Germany
    Germany, one of the two pillars on which the European Union rests along with France, has suffered the most from the consequences of the break with Russia.

    Dear author! Despite all the difficulties and crisis phenomena, Germany is not going to poverty, at least in the short and medium term. The same goes for France. In these countries, the socio-economic situation as a whole is clearly better than in our country, and if it worsens, we will feel even worse there ...
  13. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 25 December 2022 21: 07
    +2
    They do not need to unite, they are already united by the European Union, which the United States is running around. The question must be posed in such a way that it can force Germany and France refuse to go to war with Russiaagainst the US. yes
    1. Rinat Offline Rinat
      Rinat (Rinat) 25 December 2022 22: 39
      -2
      Quote: isofat
      what can make Germany and France abandon the war with Russia

      The degreasing of their finances and industry will induce these holders to give up. The states actively help us in this. No wonder they apparently delayed the NWO.
  14. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 December 2022 21: 13
    +4
    Ha...
    Earlier, the Author wrote that European countries may scatter ...
    Now - what can unite ... that is, exactly the opposite ...
    Well done, what can I say. An inexhaustible source of themes.

    Assume they can. they can ... and in every case write an article ....
    A very smart approach.
  15. Rinat Offline Rinat
    Rinat (Rinat) 25 December 2022 22: 33
    -1
    Under the current conditions, the unification of France and Germany is unlikely. Even if united, there is no sense in this association without a wand, since the summation of two zeros = ZERO. The author overdid it with the analysis. Now there is an active process of degreasing ALL of Europe and the ugly island to boot. There is no access to cheap resources. There are no cheap resources, no efficient industry, no mass and relatively cheap production in the military-industrial complex. There is not enough weapons, there is no strong army. I now allow them to unite. Anyway, they no longer pose a serious threat even with conventional weapons. Well, if you rock the boat, Uncle Putin has already warned these bastards.
  16. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 26 December 2022 11: 52
    0
    fairy tales from a zombie box. Where they impoverished faster in Russia or in Germany. I will tell you a terrible secret, in Russia.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 27 December 2022 02: 47
      0
      Aslan, tell me a terrible secret where you got at least one beggar in Russia, tell me a secret, I won’t tell anyone.
      1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 27 December 2022 12: 12
        0
        To impoverish does not mean to be a beggar. In 2008, Putin dreamed that we would catch up with Portugal in 20 years, they caught up, they made the bridge longer. In Germany, gasoline in 2001 cost 1 euro per liter, now 1,84 euros. In Russia in 2001 8.3 per liter, and now the average price is 51,6 rubles. 2014 I bought a set of tools for 2500 rubles, now it costs 7500 rubles. Give more examples
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 30 December 2022 14: 24
          0
          Aslan, and under the USSR, bread cost 20 kopecks, and Prima 14 kopecks. and a pack of matches 1kop. Do you have any more questions? Oh... most likely you don't, but I do - Where is the USSR?
  17. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 26 December 2022 15: 35
    0
    There can be no talk of any association on an anti-Russian basis.
    In this case, Germany will act as a weak (without energy and technology), which means it will be an absorption. And Germany does not shine at all.
    Germany is already deprived of cheap Russian pipeline gas and is in the process of de-industrialization.
    The WB plans to destroy Germany (and the EU with it) and concoct a zone out of the wreckage of the EU.
    At the same time absorbing France and part of Germany.
    The only way out for Germany (and the window of opportunity is quite narrow) is to try to improve relations with Russia and get Russian gas again. True, the price will not be as pleasant as it was. And the Russian Federation will demand concessions, in the form of technologies. Well, for the technical possibility of gas supplies, Ukraine must be given to Russia. All. There are no other options now.
    The teachings of France are not at all against Russia. The two pelvises mentioned by the author are not able to act against Russia. As soon as they enter the eastern Mediterranean and start bullying against Turkey, which will not let them into the straits (or against the Russian bases in Syria), Russia will honestly and openly warn that tomorrow 2 MiG 31K will arrive and send these two supertroughs to the bottom.
    But WB France is still capable of causing trouble.
    Both Macron and (even) Scholz have already understood that their main problem is not Russia.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 30 December 2022 14: 38
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      Boris, I read your comment and, you know, I was not surprised that someone gave you a minus. I immediately thought - And who are the judges? If a person writes the truth, then for someone it is like a burden in the heart - there are no counter arguments. the ideology of slaves poisons the mind with poison and everything that is from head to foot they see everywhere and are blind ... having no braces, they hang or float like obscenity in a cap...
  18. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 26 December 2022 19: 03
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    France and Germany as part of NATO in a proxy war on the territory of Ukraine are at war with the Russian Federation. Why would they unite?
  19. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 26 December 2022 20: 19
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    France and Germany really want a regime change in Russia, the only way they can regain their well-being. And the stronger and more hostile Russia becomes, the more terrible it becomes.

    They tried all the options and only made it worse - the Russian economy is diligently reorienting itself to other markets and goods, the Russian society has consolidated. The Russian armed forces are gaining combat experience. The Russian military-industrial complex is getting on the rails of mobilization. A real nightmare for the old EU (Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, Austria, Italy, Spain).

    The EU depends on the USA, on the American market, on American energy resources, on American weapons.

    But a war with Russia is not an option for them under any circumstances. That is why the United States behaves quite restrainedly, realizing that the old EU can break away abruptly if the United States wants to start a NATO war with Russia.

    Ultimately, everything will depend on the ending of the Ukrainian conflict. Which of course is a very dangerous scenario, given that neither side can afford to lose. The end of the conflict is possible when an event occurs that will overshadow the conflict in Ukraine. War or conflict elsewhere.

    On the other hand, such a conflict in a very unstable international situation can provoke other conflicts, a whole series of armed conflicts. The ability of the US, Russia, China and the EU to respond to conflicts is extremely limited.

    A big war against Iran is possible. Possible wars in Africa. North Korea will also escalate, but hardly for the purpose of armed conflict. All the frozen conflicts in the world, as well as the emerging contradictions, run the risk of sharply escalating at the start of another conflict, in addition to Ukraine.

    Perhaps this will be the way out of the Ukrainian dilemma - another war will give the West and Russia a choice, either put out the fire, or the world enters a period of wars, conflicts, crises. When there is a hybrid war between NATO and Russia, it will be difficult for the United States to fit into an armed conflict on the side, as well as for Russia.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 26 December 2022 21: 22
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      (Genady) They correctly determined that Germany and France want to establish relations with the Russian Federation and receive cheap hydrocarbons and so on. But the United States and England set up such a situation with the Russian Federation that they forced Germany and France to step on their own throats - to break off relations with the Russian Federation, that is, to go bankrupt economically. The Russian Federation wished to leave the status of a colony and ensure security, but did not take into account the intricate plans of the experienced Anglo-Saxon colonialists, who set up strategic traps in the form of creating an anti-Russian Ukraine .. That the period of US hegemony, after the collapse of the USSR, will also have a period and decline, such a decline and began with the development of new leaders, China, India, Brazil and so on. As it was correctly noted, the world is entering an era of high turbulence and the reorganization of world orders. Our 21st century has become similar to the 20th century with a turbulent beginning, a world war and the death of empires.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 27 December 2022 02: 54
      +1
      Sieg .... I can’t make out further what you mean by saying - ... the West and Russia have a choice, either to put out the fire, or ... And how interesting is the West and Russia to put out the fire in Ukraine? If one firefighter pours water from a hose and the other gasoline?
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 29 December 2022 21: 25
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        Replica. Germany and France are not very zealous in helping the Armed Forces of Ukraine (the amount of aid is negligible), the reasons for this were stated above .. All around, the West is already "draining" Ukraine, because aid is clearly not sufficient to win, even US aid is not sufficient and does not include offensive weapons .. Russia needs time to get out of the hole that the liberals drove the Russian Federation, and finally reason with Ukraine, which will be done...
  20. sat2004 Offline sat2004
    sat2004 26 December 2022 21: 44
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    If the Poles are like cannon fodder on the territory of Poland, then why not, but not for long. CBO quickly sobers up, with the first 200 it will all be over right away.
  21. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 27 December 2022 02: 17
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    Here it is necessary to remind these countries of the return paths that these countries have already walked on and everything connected with it. It seems to me that the peak of Putin's simply brilliant policy towards the West (NATO) has not even really begun yet. Most likely, the streets of these countries will do much more than our Caliber.
  22. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
    Luenkov (Arkady) 30 December 2022 20: 22
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    Why will they unite if they, together with Poroshenko, planned a war and, in general, a coup in 2014 of their hands.