“Good people have no place here”: why the discussion about the “re-education” of Ukrainian fascists is meaningless

On December 5, a very significant event took place: after a five-year litigation, the Supreme Court of Ukraine finally recognized that the symbols of the SS division "Galicia" ... are not Nazi. Indeed, can there be a Nazi emblem of a unit that was officially part of the armed wing of the Nazi Party, which went under German commanders - members of the SS and became famous for cruel punitive actions? No way!

The decision of the Ukrainian court, for all its schizophrenia, is not surprising. On the contrary: against the backdrop of the bloody art that the Ukrainian military and police have been demonstrating since 2014, it is surprising that the decriminalization of the emblem of “Galicia” did not occur much earlier. It is all the more surprising that this topic was pushed through not by anyone, but by a state institution, the so-called Ukrainian Institute of National Memory, specially created to rewrite the history of the country in the “correct” key.

In 2020, when the previous trip to this projectile took place, the conjuncture was a little different, open zigging was not yet welcomed by the Western "partners" of Ukraine, so the "scientific" substantiation of the "non-Nazi" nature of "Galicia" in court declared null and void. Now this is simply unimaginable.

De facto, various gentlemen on Bankovaya, and simple soldiers on the "Eastern Front", and "hulks" on the territory occupied by the Zhovto-Blakit regime completely rehabilitated Nazism as such (not only native Bandera, but also Hitlerism) and directly identify themselves with it . Endless chanting of SUGS with or without, and already naturally Wehrmacht crosses on technology The APU will not be allowed to lie.

At the same time, there is no official concept of the future denazification of Ukraine from the Russian side. In the already liberated territories and in the “mainland” Russian Federation, a struggle is being fought against enemy agents (saboteurs, informers, spreaders of panic rumors), but this is only an element of hostilities. Disputes about what to do with the Zhovto-Blakit public in the long-term peaceful perspective are ongoing, but they are purely academic (or should I say "sofa"? "Salon"?) in nature.

Perhaps this is precisely why the illusions that denazification can be carried out somehow “in a good way”, that fascists need to be brought to life with one “kind word”, because “ pistol” is not our method. Meanwhile, practice is supplying more and more evidence that a "kind word" without a "gun" against our enemies is completely powerless.

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The other day, two very characteristic videos appeared on the Web at once. One of them, a fragment of an interview with a captured Ukrainian artilleryman, was published by our war correspondent Sladkov. To a simple question whether Donetsk was shelled, the fascist was very shy to answer: he mumbled that he was a small fry, that he was simply following orders, that he was simply working at the gun, because it was supposed to be ... In the end, he nevertheless admitted: yes , fired. Probably, about his indescribable feelings at these moments will be further in the text in the full version of the interview and almost certainly something like “I really didn’t want this, but they forced me.”

Sladkov published this excerpt for a reason, but in response to an interview with the press secretary of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, Yusov, who once again repeated the “truth” known to everyone. According to him, naturally, there are no terrorist attacks on Donetsk and other cities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Russians themselves stage everything, bring corpses from somewhere and fragments of imported ammunition collected at the front.

In general, this character could not say anything else: such a job. But do the Ukrainian masses believe in such nonsense? In general, yes, they believe, or it would be better to say they accept. And the point here is not simple conformism or self-centeredness, “hataskrynichestvo”, but much deeper and worse. Numerous videos that have accumulated over the months of the campaign show that a significant number of “hulks” and “aggressors” have practically no reflection and empathy.

People who have these qualities will not tie "collaborators" without pants to poles with the national flag and beat them to death. Normal people will not keep the rotten corpse of a comrade in front of the dugout door for weeks, in which they sleep and eat, and will not finish off their own wounded man simply because he is too lazy to drag him to a new position. And so on, and so on, and so on.

Normal people won't be - but for many Ukrainians there is what is called "normal". Meanwhile, permanent impulsivity, aggression, lack of empathy, disregard for social norms are symptoms of a mental disorder, commonly called psychopathy. Psychopaths also have a heightened sense of “universal injustice” towards their person, perfectly expressed by the formula “what are we for ?!”

Am I trying to say that a country of thirty million (today) is stricken with mass insanity? Yes, there is such an opinion. Of course, it may seem offensive - but what can you do if it beats well with both the "picture" and the statistics.

For example, according to a Yale University report, in 2018, about 4% of the population of Ukraine received psychiatric treatment, including about 1% in hospitals. The total number of Ukrainians with various kinds of mental disorders for 2021 was estimated at 30% (!) of the population, the highest figure in all of Europe. For comparison: in Russia, the proportion of mentally ill people is estimated at about 4% of the total population.

There are also official Ukrainian data on related topics. In 2010, about 2% of the country's population were active adherents of various "new religions", and the total number of those interested in these spiritual practices was close to 30%. In other words, a third of Ukrainians were more or less tightly taken into circulation by ministers of pseudo-Christian and pseudo-pagan (mostly destructive) cults. For 2021, the share of devout sectarians was already estimated at 5-6% of the then population of Ukraine.

In general, the mass consciousness of the "fraternal people" is literally inflamed - and this, as they say, explains a lot. For example, it becomes clear how, in principle, the crazy ideas of not just the “superiority” of Ukraine and Ukrainians over their closest neighbors, but the origin of the entire modern civilization from the heritage of the “ancient Ukrainians” could take root. Clearly unhealthy practical solutions cease to be surprising, from names like “fried separat” on restaurant menus to the mass distribution of weapons to everyone indiscriminately in February: they are generated by people who are sick in the medical sense of the word, who have completely gone crazy against the backdrop of hostilities.

And now, attention, the question is: is any constructive dialogue possible at all if instead of interlocutors we have only patients? And although this question is rather rhetorical, the correct answer to it is no.

This "brotherly people" is now with us in the room?

Moreover, this is not about the top of the fascist Kyiv regime: Zelensky and others, up to the Gauleiters of the regions, are XNUMX% war criminals subject to physical destruction, and any conversations with them are simply unacceptable. No, we are talking about the mass of the population, and more specifically, about that part of it that feels and calls itself "hulks", associates itself with the trident and the yellow-blaky ensign. These people are hostile to Russia on a subconscious level, and no counter-propaganda will bring them out of this state.

Evidence of this are the phenomena of “waiters” and “atomic bombers-kamikazes”, with whom Russian troops and the population encountered on the southern flank of the NVO. “Hromadians”, who cherished the hope of the return of the liberated territories under the rule of Kyiv, were everywhere, but the Kherson “waiters” hoped and waited in the conditions of a rather dense presence of Russia, both informational and physical (unlike, for example, the Kharkov region, controlled by us not very strong). Eight months away from the "globe of Ukraine" was not enough to get rid of its pernicious haze.

Well, let's say that these people (up to a quarter of the population of the region!) Are convinced patriots of the Square, from a universal point of view, this can be both understood and justified. But the employees of the ZNPP, who continued to report to the Armed Forces of Ukraine information about the situation at the station even after the Nazis began to fire at it from artillery, cannot be justified or at least simply understood. There can be no rational explanation for complicity in the preparation of a nuclear accident on your own land, where you are waiting for the arrival of the “liberating army” and planning to live on.

Unfortunately, the true patriot of Russia and the deputy head of the Kherson Regional State Administration, Stremousov, died and will not be able to express his opinion on this matter, and it would be interesting to hear him. But there is the point of view of a young journalist from Kherson, Vlada Lugovskaya, one of those who was wounded during the shelling of a pontoon crossing from HIMARS on October 20 - she is, to put it mildly, amazed at the number of “waiters” and believes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have served them “liberation”. I agree on both points, though I doubt that the "liberated" will draw any conclusions.

To an even greater extent, this applies to the "liberators" themselves. Let's not forget that tens of thousands of fascists are now accumulating in the Ukrainian rear, who were lucky enough to return from the next “offensive”, at least alive, but without arms, legs, eyes, and so on. Whom will they and their relatives blame for the injuries? That's right, not Zelensky and his team at all. According to the observations of the Federal Penitentiary Service officers involved in the protection of prisoners of war, the latter are also not particularly inclined to deep reflection on how they came to such a life, and repentance - and it can be seen from the video chronicle of the exchanges.

So do not flatter yourself with hopes that the Nazis can be "re-educated", it is impossible, it will not work. Bandera of the old school were able to push their ideology through fifty years of life under Soviet rule, the educational apparatus of which was not like the current Russian one. The denazification of Ukraine (if, of course, it is carried out in a real way) is possible only by “gentlemanly”, as in Europe, methods: the strictest criminalization of all manifestations of “Ukrainianism” as an ideology, a thorough filtering of the population of the liberated territories and refugees, and the deportation of all disloyal elements away from Russia, to some Poland, where it is warm and there are apples. There are no other real ways to accomplish this task in modern conditions.
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  1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 20 December 2022 09: 18
    I agree with the author, the speech of the respected President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin about the tasks of the FSB in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions proves this, I hope the president and respected FSB officers will in practice implement all the most stringent measures against the Ukrofascists and develop technologies and techniques for use throughout Ukraine after its liberation
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 20 December 2022 14: 06
      There is a war with the Ukrainian state and any friendship in the war turns into irreconcilable enmity. Therefore, first defeat the enemy, and then sort out who is friend and who is enemy. To paraphrase:

      When the guns speak, the muses are silent

      - Yes, and friendship is silent ..
    2. reader Offline reader
      reader (BTB) 20 December 2022 15: 21
      Quote: vladimir1155
      I hope the president and respected FSB officers will in practice implement all the most stringent measures against the ukrofascists and develop technologies and techniques for use throughout Ukraine after its liberation

      They won’t, the concept of Leopold’s cat does not imply harsh methods either towards younger brothers or partners
  2. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 20 December 2022 09: 23
    In 2020, when the previous trip to this projectile took place,

    It’s not very clear ... in 2020 we went for a projectile adit?

    De facto, various gentlemen on Bankovaya, and simple soldiers on the "Eastern Front", and "hulks" on the territory occupied by the Zhovto-Blakit regime completely rehabilitated Nazism as such (not only native Bandera, but also Hitlerism) and directly identify themselves with it .

    There is only one way to fight this: to clear the territory of Ukraine from them all, but this task is unrealistic and impossible.
  3. anti-aircraft gunner 20 December 2022 09: 39
    Ukrainianness as a dangerous metastasis to burn out with a red-hot iron.
    All those convicted in the liberated territories - for re-education for logging. Buinykh - to the wall. In the newly occupied territories - to squeeze out, providing free exit to the still unoccupied territories. And so to Lvov.
    After complete liberation, return all territories to Russia. And to carry out tough anti-Bandera propaganda. The only way!
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 21 December 2022 07: 27
      so it was already ... all sorts of medvedchuks bred at logging sites, 70 years under the USSR from all the boxes about what is good and what is bad. Did it help? no. And will never help.
    2. antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
      antibi0tikk (Sergei) 22 December 2022 00: 28
      I would also add: to ban anyone who is seen as loyal to Bandera from holding public office.
      1. zloybond Offline zloybond
        zloybond (steppenwolf) 23 December 2022 23: 46
        Accurately noticed, otherwise somehow the harem boots who changed their shoes in a jump and were admitted to power completely discredit our "pilots"
  4. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 20 December 2022 09: 50
    Russia is consistent in surrendering the Russian peace in Ukraine.
    Under the motto of protecting the Russians of Ukraine, the NWO was launched.
    10 million Russians from Chernigov to Odessa received protection?
    10 million Russians in Ukraine received some intelligible and understandable explanation of WHAT THEY SHOULD DO?
    Complete chaos and bedlam, complete disorganization in politics, incomprehensible goals ....
    Proclaimed their own - abandoned.
    They came with flags - they fled.

    The Russians of Ukraine see only one thing - the salvation of the drowning is the work of the drowning themselves.
    And they run anywhere, including all over the world.

    Instead of liberation - the complete destruction of cities, villages, villages.
    What is the offensive and liberation from the Nazis - the Russian army does not know.
    All victories are 2 kilometers a year and a complete ruin of everything around.
    2 army of the world? Which Donetsk cannot free from shelling in a year. Shameful.

    Were you afraid of "Srebrennitsa" in Donetsk?
    And when they left Kherson, weren't they afraid?
    It seems that Kherson is a Russian city, but when there are mass executions, Russian TV dances and there is no mourning .....

    How do you save Russians in Ukraine?
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 21 December 2022 23: 29
      Hiker, so are our troops destroying settlements along with the civilian population or are the Ukrofascists who know that they will never be here again and they don’t need local residents either?
  5. oleg Pesotsky Offline oleg Pesotsky
    oleg Pesotsky (Oleg Pesotsky) 20 December 2022 10: 36
    It seems to me that here the question should be put differently - Will Russia be able to offer a different model of development, different from the current nationalist one? A model aimed at development and prosperity. Given the processes taking place in Russia itself, this raises serious doubts. My opinion is that under capitalism this issue is unresolvable. One could return to the historical lessons of the past, when the Bolsheviks put forward simple and understandable slogans and then managed to put them into practice, however, at the present stage, when in both countries there is a complete and undivided power of financial and oligarchic capital, in order to come to peace, it is necessary first the turn of changes in the social system of both states.
  6. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
    soloist2424 (Oleg) 20 December 2022 10: 41
    Bandera of the old school were able to push their ideology through fifty years of life under Soviet rule, the educational apparatus of which was not like the current Russian one.

    Under the Union, the Bandera people sat quietly, got out only after the collapse of the state. And the pro-Russian ones kept their beliefs under the Ukrainian regime. There will be a favorable climate, their number will increase.
    Which, of course, does not mean that it is not necessary to carry out a complex of educational measures in the liberated territory.
  7. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 20 December 2022 10: 54
    Quote: oleg Pesotsky
    It seems to me that here the question should be put differently - Will Russia be able to offer a different model of development, different from the current nationalist one?

    To whom is the development model?
    The primordially Russian left-bank part should simply become Russia.
    And the right-bank one will always be nationalistic and Bandera.
    Even with a plow and a plow.
  8. borisvt Online borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 20 December 2022 10: 58
    I positively evaluate the article, the author had the courage to delve deeper into a difficult topic. Michael encourages you to think with him, and not just insists on his own, this is valuable.
    However, such a cautious approach is also a minus at the same time - what happens if you don’t go anywhere? Everywhere the local discontented population will be waiting ((
    Seriously, I want to object that now the possibilities for re-education, let's say, are worse than they were during the Soviet era. I will object on three main points: the increased mobility of people, social networks and ubiquitous video cameras, and television.
    Moreover, video cameras are not only in the hands of citizens, but the capabilities of government agencies. In 2008, I happened to be in England, I was surprised by the ubiquitous inscriptions in London "electronic surveilance", which meant "video surveillance", if in a simple way. And now, in just some ten or fifteen years, we have cameras sticking out almost in the toilets, and not only in large cities. Try it, partisan!
    I also disagree with Tokmakov's argument

    Eight months apart from the "globe of Ukraine" was not enough to get rid of its pernicious haze

    This is objectively not enough, it takes years and tough actions against the marginalized so that people get involved in everyday life and, even grumbling at the damned Muscovites, just start living without racing and SUX
  9. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 20 December 2022 11: 45
    The only question that remains is, what the hell are we doing there at all?
    as the author correctly noted, we are not welcome there, to put it mildly, we have enough territories of our own,
    We will not push NATO away from the borders, only bring it closer (Finland).
    Restoring the USSR (borders and system) rested only on a group of comrades of strongly post-conscription age, declining every year.
    1. kot711 Offline kot711
      kot711 (vov) 20 December 2022 12: 46
      The only question that remains is, what the hell are we doing there at all?

      You? You just don’t rush anywhere, you can see it so well, even under Bandera, even under NATO. If you don’t understand, ask the people of Donetsk, now the same thing would happen along the entire border with Durkina.
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 20 December 2022 13: 00
        Quote: kot711
        ask the Donetsk people

        Firstly, as of February 23.02, Donetsk residents were citizens of Ukraine.
        secondly, it has already been written many times, the inhabitants of the LDNR had to be evacuated from ~ 20 km of the frontline zone, and these 20 km should be turned into a continuous fortified area.
        thirdly, the current result - Donetsk residents are being shelled even more, and the population still has to be evacuated, and not only from Donetsk ...

        Quote: kot711
        the same thing would happen along the entire border with Durkina

        Until 24/02, the entire Russian-Ukrainian border was quiet.
        And now things are moving towards the evacuation of the inhabitants of Belgorod ....

        And someone is making all the plans, how he will re-educate the inhabitants of Poltava / Vinnitsa by mass executions.
        1. kot711 Offline kot711
          kot711 (vov) 20 December 2022 17: 02
          And someone is making all the plans, how he will re-educate the inhabitants of Poltava / Vinnitsa by mass executions.
          And who is planning it? What the Ukrainians said (about Rostov, Voronezh, Oblast, Krasnodar Territory), I heard this, but about executions, I hear (read) only from you.
    2. borisvt Online borisvt
      borisvt (boris) 20 December 2022 13: 50
      With all due respect and some solidarity with your views, I disagree here. Firstly, there is a NATO border in Estonia, for example, it will be closer to St. Petersburg than Finland. Secondly, there are things that do not go according to our scenario, and this is exactly the case. They would not let us continue to live in peace.
      Judging by the comments, you know how to reason, which means you can figure out what would happen if we put up with the post-Maidan order and do not take Crimea. Do you like? Should we continue?
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 20 December 2022 14: 59
        Quote from borisvt
        there is a NATO border in Estonia

        And also with Latvia and Norway.
        Norway - at a minimum distance to Gadzhiyevo, the nuclear submarine base of the northern fleet.

        Quote from borisvt

        In Crimea, they really wanted to be in the Russian Federation, and they didn’t want to stay with the Maidan at all.
        This was tacitly recognized in the West as well.

        Not allowed would we continue to live in peace.

        if yes yes ...

        Even if we assume that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would climb to return the LDNR, they would receive much less help from the West, and it would be 10 times more difficult to force sanctions against the Russian Federation.
        (even now it doesn’t hurt, it’s easy for the USA, and this coercion will come back to them, but with our throw at Kyiv, we greatly simplified their task)
        And in Ukraine itself, there were far fewer people who wanted to return the "separators" to the bosom than to defend the country from the "liberators" who were going to teach people to love Russia with mass executions and camps.

        Well, they would have been hollowed out for a week or two in a continuous fortified area, and they would have calmed down on that for many more years.
        And time worked (and continues to work) for Russia against Ukraine, for Asia against the West.
        1. borisvt Online borisvt
          borisvt (boris) 20 December 2022 18: 06
          you miss, dear Nelton, the fact-factissimo that they swore to return the Crimea. And they created all sorts of platforms, and threatened, threatened, and they definitely wouldn’t have limited themselves to a fortified area, but poked, and how, and they would have got to the Crimea and Belgorod with Kursk, with Voronezh. We wouldn’t have been able to sit out within the boundaries we designated, we would have found a reason to shy away, there were a lot of sick people over the past post-Maidan years, which is documented by the author’s article above. And exactly the same as now, their shtatonatovskie mongrels poured weapons and rejoiced at how cleverly they turned it all ((
          1. Nelton Offline Nelton
            Nelton (Oleg) 20 December 2022 18: 47
            Quote from borisvt
            patients on the head over the past post-Maidan years has been greatly added

            not to such an extent that they would go on the attack on the Russian Federation on their own.
            and swearing, jumping, creating platforms is their internal affair.

            Quote from borisvt
            And exactly the same as now, their state-of-the-nation mongrels poured weapons

            On 23/02, only javelins were added, with which it is not very good to go on the attack.
            (but setting up ambushes is the most)

            And even at the moment, they don’t give anything particularly long-range.
            For a long time, even on the territory of the Russian Federation-2021, they were not allowed to hit with highmars.

            We wouldn't be able to sit

            And in fact, in fact, the Russian Federation has been sitting in a more or less deaf defense since June. The chances of breaking it are close to zero.

            It's only one thing if we were on the defensive as a victim of aggression, but in real life - as an aggressor who got hit in the teeth.

            But with "sit out" - it's much more interesting.
            Every day of the successful functioning of the Russian economy under sanctions gives more and more reason to believe that even under sanctions, time is on our side.
            1. borisvt Online borisvt
              borisvt (boris) 20 December 2022 18: 52
              Have you been to Belgorod? I - was, albeit briefly once. A beautiful peaceful city, let me be an aggressor three times - shish them with poppies instead of Belgorod))
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 20 December 2022 16: 33
      Nelton, what can we expect when they come to us? We have not pinned down, but we are liberating our territory from the Bandera regime hostile to us, which managed to conquer and began to destroy its own people. Are we not welcome there? Who exactly is not welcome? Bandera henchmen? So what? Does it have any meaning? Were the residents of Donbass happy when the Bandera people came to them? Do we have enough territory? You are confusing something, ne? Or is the territory of the former Ukraine not our original territory? Yes, we have enough of our own territory, which includes Ukraine. Well, they brought NATO closer to the headquarters, it was more convenient to shoot. And to restore the USSR is a dense stupidity, in this I agree with you.
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 20 December 2022 17: 08
        Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
        and what to expect when they come to us?

        If they come to us, then they are the aggressors.
        After the capture of at least Belgorod - a people's war, the whole world looks with sympathy, the use of nuclear weapons in the capitals of the aggressors is treated with understanding.
        So they didn't stick around.
        And time worked for us.

        Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
        liberate our territory

        is the territory of another state.
        Officially, even the LDNR was considered Ukraine until 23/02.
        And suddenly she became "belonging to us"?
        1. borisvt Online borisvt
          borisvt (boris) 20 December 2022 18: 09
          Here you are fundamentally wrong, excuse me for being rude. Starting in the depths of your territory because of world sympathy?! Personally, I don't need such hypocritical sympathy. I fully support the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbto be the first to smack if there is nowhere to go - most likely, it was so ((
          1. Nelton Offline Nelton
            Nelton (Oleg) 20 December 2022 18: 57
            Quote from borisvt
            I fully support the idea of ​​slamming first

            Himself at the forefront, sorry for being rude?

            Quote from borisvt
            Start deep in your territory

            Yes, Russia won almost all major wars and battles - to meet the enemy on the defensive, and then strike with an ambush regiment.
            Kulikovskaya, under Molodi, Poltava, Borodino, near Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk ...
            And then squeeze the beaten adversary.
            In standing on the Ugra, they stood without a fight at all.

            and to slam first - then Kalka, then Austerlitz, then Kharkov-1942.

            Personally, I don’t need such hypocritical sympathy in spirit

            This sympathy would make it much harder for the US to enforce sanctions even on Europe.
            And even in the United States itself, there would be a bunch of influential forces from the point of view that if the Ukrainians are itching to return Crimea, then this is their problem.
            And so - the Russian Federation attacked a country that the United States publicly took under its guardianship, and leaving it to the mercy of fate is too strong a blow to the image of the world hegemon.
            In fact, on 24/02, our strategist forced the United States to unleash sanctions (I admit that this is the main goal of the NWO), and by tightening the NWO, he also forced military assistance in volumes so that Ukraine could resist - but nothing more.
            1. borisvt Online borisvt
              borisvt (boris) 20 December 2022 20: 16
              Strange, thought better of you. In my opinion, in your conclusions, seemingly correct, there is confusion with cause-and-effect relationships. In fact, not our strategist, but the hegemon plays the violin, and this is not at all encouraging
              1. Nelton Offline Nelton
                Nelton (Oleg) 20 December 2022 22: 55
                Quote from borisvt
                In fact, not our strategist, but the hegemon plays the violin

                NWO began on the orders of our strategist. It is a fact.
                And the hegemon's plans are speculation.

                I wrote many times that hitting the Russian Federation hard for the United States is not profitable and dangerous.

                Not profitable, because pressure on the Russian Federation deliberately leads to a reorientation towards China, which strengthens China and weakens the West.
                In the limit - this is how China generally takes both Siberia and Central Asia under its patronage.

                Forcing neutrals to impose sanctions against the Russian Federation - the same requires serious resources, political / administrative / economic.

                It's dangerous - Kadyrov may end up with the power and the nuclear button.

                But the US could not completely close its eyes, the image of the hegemon in the eyes of the allies must be justified. So they throw Ukraine just enough so that they would not be defeated.

                A large group of comrades ascribes to the United States an irrational hatred of the Russian Federation.
                There are no arguments, only the thesis "they have been wanting to destroy us for 1000 years!!!!!".
                1. borisvt Online borisvt
                  borisvt (boris) 21 December 2022 00: 15
                  Oh well, speculation! Did the strategist also come up with the Maidan? I agree that smashing us to smithereens is unprofitable for the United States, but all around, around the entire perimeter, bloodletting is going on and will go on, so as not to ever stand on a strong foot. Gotta end this
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        2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 26 December 2022 10: 23
          Nelton, *suddenly* came - belonging - even under Catherine. Didn't you know? Read History but not Ukrainian but real.
          1. Nelton Offline Nelton
            Nelton (Oleg) 26 December 2022 11: 04
            So, are you going on a campaign, taking Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, the Caucasus and Central Asia? otherwise it was in vain that they conquered them under the tsars?
  10. Mihail55 Offline Mihail55
    Mihail55 (Michael) 20 December 2022 11: 48
    With a successful outcome of this war, only "occupation"! What is better, once Soviet - Kharkov, Chernigov, Dnepropetrovsk, Kyiv, etc., than Dresden, Potsdam, Erfurt, Berlin? Many years will pass. until all the muck disappears from modern, fans of independence. It is a pity that in Russia there is still no intelligible ideology ... the market has not done everything ...
  11. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 December 2022 12: 26
    Naive and idealistic.

    It’s easier than anyone else to declare them fascists, and how not to notice that they also took the oath in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    And for treason here, without any wars and deaths, it happens that they are beaten with a hammer ...

    I wonder who should obey people with Ukrainian passports, who are in the Ukrainian civil service and are subordinate to the Ukrainian ministry?
    This is about a nuclear power plant, even the subordination of which Russia did not formalize at that time and did not break communication with the ministry?

    Not fools, they see that Russia did not even recognize the LDNR for 8 years to the limit, threw the "Russian spring", sometimes even giving out "separatists" if they did not fit the standard ... but all the news - how much gas was sold and how much profit Gazprom and his vipov...
  12. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 20 December 2022 13: 50
    Transneft received applications from Germany and Poland for the supply of oil through the Druzhba pipeline for 2023..........

    With one hand, Putin is at war with NATO, and with the other hand he fuels tanks with diesel .....
    It is on the air of Solovyov that Russia is at war with NATO, but in reality it is trade and handshakes, loot, loot and loot ...... How much did Russia pay the Nazi regime for the transit of oil and gas?
  13. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 20 December 2022 14: 44
    it’s too early to think about denazification, first you need to win, and with this there are still big problems, no end in sight, and the guarantor turned out to be a soft-bodied old man
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  15. Shamil Rasmukhambetov (Shamil Rasmukhambetov) 20 December 2022 17: 10
    Now it’s up to the legislative level to decide, it’s tough, if someone is convicted of supporting the Nazis, there will be a prison and not a little. So that they dump them over the hill in advance, then they mess with them less, let Europe be brought down.
  16. strahoffven Offline strahoffven
    strahoffven (Benjamin) 20 December 2022 18: 13
    Entirely and completely agree with the author. The word Ukraine and the word Madhouse mean the same thing. Americans have eaten more than one dog in the harvest of their propaganda. The bastards know how to eat the brains of the layman. Then there is nothing to recover. Only in scrap.
  17. DeadPahom Offline DeadPahom
    DeadPahom (Eugene) 20 December 2022 19: 25
    Ukraine can be compared to a person infected with a dangerous virus. At the same time, judging by the comments, for complete healing it is necessary to kill the patient without fail. Like, if there is no carrier, there will be no virus. The subject for discussion is only the method of killing. I think this is a harmful misconception. The patient must first heal himself. Well, our task, among other things, is to ensure that the poor fellow does not stick together flippers both from the virus and from drugs.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 20 December 2022 21: 40
      Quote from DeadPahom
      Ukraine can be compared to a person infected with a dangerous virus.

      No, this is not a virus, but a cancerous tumor, which means the treatment is completely different.
    2. sap Offline sap
      sap (Alex) 20 December 2022 22: 35
      I know those who are waiting for our victory! Are they also in consumption?
  18. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 20 December 2022 20: 48
    I agree completely with the author. In the same vein, I spoke in one comment a couple of weeks ago. A rotten fruit cannot be saved, it must be thrown away. The left bank of the Dnieper - for re-education, the right - into exile, or a waste.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 20 December 2022 21: 38
      Quote: Watching
      right - into exile, or a expense.

      Do you offer the Russian city of Kherson for consumption?
  19. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 20 December 2022 22: 10
    Nazism, let's call a spade a spade, the face of the West. True face. Without makeup and diplomacy. And a good Nazi, a dead Nazi. In this context, discussions about re-education have no practical value. if it is applied to us constantly in one form or another, why should we not?
  20. sap Offline sap
    sap (Alex) 20 December 2022 22: 32
    and the deportation of all disloyal elements away from Russia, to some Poland

    Great stupidity (betrayal) and it is difficult to freeze it. They are in the Kolyma until the very amnesty of the maize and after everything they did they continued to fight with the Muscovites. Or in Poland, it’s not enough to strengthen their Russophobes with Galicians. The path of one stained in blood to the wall immediately of the rest after filtering into places previously inhabited by them - Kolyma! To populate the vacated territory with Russians and other peoples of Russia, mixing with a loyal population positioning itself as Russians. The term ukraine as an ethnopolitical linguosubject should be withdrawn from circulation! The only state language should be Russian. Within 75-100 years, reformat the consciousness on the basis of the Great Russian!
  21. gosha smirnov_2 Offline gosha smirnov_2
    gosha smirnov_2 (gosha smirnov) 21 December 2022 00: 44
    So I’m reading Tokmakov’s article and the comments of some, and I’m amazed: if everyone in / in Ukraine is completely Nazis, then who and from whom are you going to liberate there? Well, imagine what a gloomy situation is for the Russian Federation in the southeast, and what then in the center and in the west of the country? The Russian Federation came to Ukraine in the role of a type of liberator, and then, faced with reality, said: "Come on!".
    All these "phenomena" of all kinds of waiters, etc., are such for Russians for only one reason - the absence of a clear and precise position in the Russian Federation itself for building an "image of victory." Warring soldiers of the Russian Federation (but not with tons of LDNR) often, it is completely incomprehensible that they they do it in Ukraine. In addition, you think that the complication of the life of SIMPLE citizens (the Armed Forces of Ukraine had no problems at all with the light and there are no even with the strongest blows) of Ukraine by insane shelling of the energy system (this would only make sense as an integral element of a unified one being prepared, for example , offensive operation) will add "love" to the Russian Federation?
    1. Pavel N Offline Pavel N
      Pavel N (Paul) 22 December 2022 23: 39
      Another provocateur showed up...
  22. VAHOKA Offline VAHOKA
    VAHOKA (VAHOKA) 21 December 2022 02: 37
    According to him, naturally, there are no terrorist attacks on Donetsk and other cities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Russians themselves stage everything, bring corpses from somewhere and fragments of imported ammunition collected at the front.

    100% of my acquaintances are firmly and completely sure that it is Russia that has been shelling Donetsk for 8 years in a row and that the Russians are stealing the toilet bowl, the story with the toilet bowls is generally unique, a crest Selyuk who has not had a toilet bowl in his house for 30 years of independence believes in stories about the theft of toilet bowls, if only the Russians and they really tried to steal toilet bowls, they would have screwed up because in a Ukrainian village of 700 houses only 50 have toilet bowls, all the rest are wooden booths on the street)
  23. VAHOKA Offline VAHOKA
    VAHOKA (VAHOKA) 21 December 2022 02: 44
    The total number of Ukrainians with various kinds of mental disorders for 2021 was estimated at 30% (!) of the population, the highest figure throughout Europe

    RIGHT! I tell a friend (already former) a simple fact - in Russia the average salary is twice as high as in Ukraine, if you worked in Russia you would earn 22k UAH per month and the prices there are the same. He began to reproach me in every possible way, yelling, hysteria, waving his arms and denying all my arguments. He screams that I'm crazy that I'm for Russia that I don't like Ukraine, so why don't I go to Russia if it's so good in it? I tell him, and if I tell you that in Germany the average salary is four times higher than in Ukraine, then this is not German propaganda? For some reason, when a person talks about some fact on which Russia is dampening Ukraine, then this is RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA and he is an ENEMY OF UKRAINE! When a person says the same dampening fact, but not about Russia, but about Moldova, the USA, Turkey, then everything is fine, no one is driving you abroad, you are not an enemy of Ukraine.
    Country of the crazy
  24. radvas Offline radvas
    radvas (Igor) 21 December 2022 08: 56
    Siberia, where I live, is huge. An excellent pioneer camp for re-education. We look forward to crests and Psheks, we will provide work and soldering.
  25. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 21 December 2022 09: 00
    First of all, you need to get rid of the traditional hypocrisy. For Ukrainians brag about Nazism and Satanism, and for whatever, because they never had anything good as it should ..... And they want unity.

    Patriotism is a social movement, not an abstract idea. That is, an idea learned in practice .... And what success have we had in general with the assimilation of ideas over the past thousand years? For example, in terms of Orthodoxy .....

    Regarding the idea of ​​​​communism, from which the smart ones would generally make candy that attracts billions of people, we managed to turn THIS into a global scarecrow ....

    If you look at everything soberly, our society is not at all able to assimilate any big ideas that unite it.

    And so we came to the conclusion: "A house divided within itself will not stand" - it no longer stands! If we recall the realities of the last 30 years. .......

    And after all, they have reached insanity! They believe that it is the ideas, Marx and Lenin who are to blame for the troubles of the people, and not their own thieves with traitors ....

    Here it is necessary not to "re-educate", but initially to learn at least something reasonable to understand and hold on to this reasonable. For example, how Asians hold on to their Islam ....... And they will give a hundred points ahead to both Russians and Ukrainians. We've got it all down the drain....
  26. DeadPahom Offline DeadPahom
    DeadPahom (Eugene) 21 December 2022 11: 35
    Quote: sap
    I know those who are waiting for our victory! Are they also in consumption?

    I am sure that there are a considerable number of those who are not particularly happy about our victory, but even less want to live under the current Kyiv regime. Ukraine must heal itself, using its own healthy forces, and even develop immunity for many years. Waiting for some abstract Soviet commissars in leather jackets to come and divide Ukrainians into right and wrong is simply insane, because such actions cannot lead to anything good.
  27. kr33sania_2 Offline kr33sania_2
    kr33sania_2 (Alex Kraus) 22 December 2022 01: 16
    Informational Bandera won! Everyone in Ukraine, who is for us, is sitting quietly, otherwise there is a mortal danger. Our enemy is our softness! Military victory is not the most important thing. It is necessary to win in the minds, otherwise everything is empty!
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 22 December 2022 06: 14
      The more people are pressed, the more they do not like "softness" ... whose?

      Your own? - I didn’t notice this for my compatriots ...
      Boss? When they finally crush them, they will probably be satisfied then .... And they will ask: "bring your own rope?"

      The poet Nekrasov was right:

      people of a servile rank are real dogs sometimes.
      The heavier the punishment, the dearer they are to the Lord

      If only not softness ... The main thing!
      And so, even if the whole country is plundered and betrayed, the main thing is to be tough - according to ours!
  28. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 22 December 2022 10: 49
    Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
    Hiker, so are our troops destroying settlements along with the civilian population or are the Ukrofascists who know that they will never be here again and they don’t need local residents either?

    There, in the army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 80 percent are Russians and the majority are from this shore. They are not ukrofascists at all, but simply forcibly mobilized. They have families hostage. And they have no idea. WHAT RUSSIA WANTS TO OFFER. Russia only throws its own. Well answer smart guy - Chernihiv, which will be 99 percent Russian Russian? So what to do mobilized from Chernigov? Fight with Russia or stay in the Armed Forces of Ukraine if Chernihiv remains Ukrainian. Or shoot himself out of hopelessness?
    What should the Russians do?

    Nazis in Ukraine - one in a thousand. There were more of them in Moscow when they shouted Stop feeding the Caucasus.

    There is nothing from all Russians and Ukrainians from Ukraine to sculpt ukrofascists.
    It is better to look at your own impotence when they left Chernihiv, Kharkov.
    In Kyiv, the Chechens stood on Bankova....and could finish with the den.

    ETOGES in Russia are asking for negotiations with the Nazi regime.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 26 December 2022 11: 24
      Hacker, in general, all Russians are sitting in our prisons, almost 100%, so what? Do they sit because they are Russians or because it is more convenient for them to live not according to the Law, but according to concepts? That is, the criminal law of concepts gives rise to criminals. I have not heard that the forcibly mobilized Russian Ukrainians in units raised a riot and shot all the Nazis. Considering, as you write, that the Nazis are one in a thousand! so what's up? And what about families? If they kill Russian soldiers, will they stop being hostages? And if they are killed as hostages, they will not? Or maybe you need to protect your families from those who are holding them hostage? And what should Russia offer? Two pairs of lace panties? Russia can offer what it has and how and how it lives itself. Ask those who came to Russia and how they live. Or is there no such possibility? They live normally and don't complain. As a smart guy at your suggestion, not only Chernihiv, but all the cities of the former Ukraine will become cities of the Russian Federation. And those mobilized from Chernigov to surrender. We need a builder people, not a killer people. The creators are honored and respected, as it was in the USSR under the Ukrainian SSR, and we don’t need a killer people, which means they will be destroyed. Russians what to do? Release the families of Russian Ukrainians from those who are holding them hostage, if they themselves cannot or do not want to. In Russia, they are asking for negotiations with the Nazi regime ... Where did you get this? Or not, what kind of negotiations are we talking about and what are the conditions of these negotiations? For example, Russia is ready for negotiations with the Nazi regime on the recognition (at the first stage) of negotiations on the recognition of the Crimea of ​​the LDNR and the Zaporizhia and Kherson regions as the territory of Russia. At the second stage, negotiate with the Nazi regime on the liberation of the entire left-bank territory from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and, as a sign of goodwill, not destroy it in case of refusal. Or do you think that Russia will accept negotiations in order to withdraw its troops to the borders on February 23 and from the Crimea under the terms of Kyiv? Are you really sure that Russia is asking for such negotiations?
  29. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 22 December 2022 11: 17
    Quote from DeadPahom
    Ukraine must heal itself, using its own healthy forces, and even develop immunity for many years. Waiting for some abstract Soviet commissars in leather jackets to come and divide Ukrainians into right and wrong is simply insane, because such actions cannot lead to anything good.

    This is complete nonsense.
    Ukraine should be divided like Czechoslovakia into the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
    The Russians stay on their own shore, the rest on their own.
    Ukraine will remain Bandera. It's useless to do something.
    And the Russian regions should enter Russia. What kind of commissioners are needed here? All are here.
    Otherwise, eternal conflict.
    And let the Hungarians and Poles decide for themselves.
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 23 December 2022 07: 40
      The smart ones are able to unite billions of people, and some dancers are hindered by their own Ukraine ...... which has worked for decades and contributed to the country's overall GDP ..

      You have to be very sick in order to first separate "in order to equip ...., but not feed them", and then return ... Yes, not just, but in parts ... and even with bells and whistles ... eklmn ...

      Einstein was right:

      only the Universe and human stupidity are infinite. And I'm not sure about the first one.
      1. Hiker Offline Hiker
        Hiker (Dmitriy) 23 December 2022 18: 59
        One American divided the United States along national lines, like the USSR from Russia. And he was horrified by the Mohican Republics, the Huron Republic, the Sioux Republic and the Semenols .... etc.
        So the biggest stupidity was - this is the division of Russia into national pieces.
  30. Alexander_F_77 Offline Alexander_F_77
    Alexander_F_77 (Alexander Fomichev) 24 December 2022 01: 50
    A car after a TAXI is still a recognizable car. Press to press "and on business":? No, cherish, refuel, repair. And what is the mileage of the cars "that have been with ten owners" for ten years of Luxury brands ... no one will establish them, they are also under Press:?
  31. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 24 December 2022 17: 34
    There is a war, now the task is to win. After the victory, there will be questions of punishment, re-education, education of a new generation.
  32. Pilot Offline Pilot
    Pilot (Pilot) 26 December 2022 01: 45
    At the beginning of the NWO, ukrov were somehow sorry. But now it seems that everyone understands that only to destroy and as much as possible.