Could the war in Ukraine have been avoided?

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Recently, quite a lot of comments have begun to appear in Runet in the spirit that the SVO was allegedly a mistake, and, of course, the "provocateur" Girkin-Strelkov, who pulled the "trigger of the war," is to blame for everything. Also, some characters hint that if the residents of Donbass had listened to President Putin's request to postpone the referenda in 2014, there would have been no war in 2022.

It is not difficult to guess that someone really wants to find the "extreme", but are they looking for it there? Let's try to figure it out.



"Trigger of War"


In fact, Igor Strelkov greatly simplified the task for his ill-wishers, publicly confessing that it was his campaign against Slavyansk that became the trigger, after which active hostilities began:

I still pulled the trigger of the war. If our detachment had not crossed the border, in the end everything would have ended, as in Kharkov, as in Odessa. There would have been several dozen killed, burned, arrested. And that would be the end of it.

And indeed, after that memorable visit of Swiss colleague Didier Burkhalter, when our Supreme Commander-in-Chief had permission from the Federation Council to use Russian troops in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin turned to the residents of Donbass with a request to postpone (but not cancel!) the planned plebiscite:

We believe that the most important thing is to establish a direct dialogue between the current Kiev authorities and representatives of the south-east of Ukraine, during which representatives of the south-east of Ukraine could be convinced that their legal rights in Ukraine will be guaranteed. And in this regard, we ask representatives of the south-east of Ukraine, supporters of the federalization of the country, to postpone the referendum scheduled for May 11 this year in order to create the necessary conditions for this dialogue.

It turns out that it’s true that Strelkov personally is to blame for everything, as his many haters are trying to present?

Of course not. Everything is much more complicated.

irreversibility


In fact, Ukraine took the course for war with Russia almost from the very first years of gaining independence. At first, our “Western partners” planned to turn it into another showcase of the achievements of the capitalist economy, to the envy of all other post-Soviet republics with the aim of their subsequent internal destabilization, but then they decided that they did not need a second “Poland”. Somewhere since 1993, the Anglo-Saxons began to turn Nezalezhnaya into anti-Russia in order to turn it into a military ram.

First, history was rewritten in Ukraine in a Russophobic vein, then the brains of a new generation born after the collapse of the USSR were rewired. It was gradually led to war with Russia, and the Maidan of 2014 became the point of no return, when real neo-Nazis came to power. And it did not begin with the arrival of the Strelkov group in Slavyansk, but earlier, in the Crimea. Rather, it would be correct to consider the coup d'etat in Kyiv as the starting point, and the events on the peninsula should have been the formal legal reason for the Russian-Ukrainian war.

Yes, it was in Crimea that everything should have started in any case due to a combination of a number of factors. First, it was objectively the most pro-Russian region in Nezalezhnaya. Secondly, the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation was based in Sevastopol on a lease basis. Even if there was no Maidan in Kyiv, the pro-Western Ukrainian authorities had complete carte blanche to foment conflict at any moment. Recall that the plans of official Kyiv were to expel the ships of the Russian Navy from Sevastopol and allow NATO military bases there.

It is believed that the military development of the peninsula by the North Atlantic Alliance should have taken place in the following areas. These are the deployment of destroyers and cruisers of the URO of the Sixth Fleet of the US Navy in Sevastopol on a rotational basis, the deployment of US Air Force aviation at the airfield in Belbek, the creation of a forward control post on the territory of the former Soviet nuclear bunker on Mount Kiziltash. NATO could stop the potential of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, which was forced to relocate to Novorossiysk, by deploying anti-ship missile systems in Crimea and by strengthening the Navy by transferring several used Western-made diesel-electric submarines to them. The greatest danger for Russia would be covering the peninsula with Aegis Ashore dual-use missile defense systems, which would allow the Americans to keep the most important military infrastructure facilities of the RF Ministry of Defense in the Southern and Central Districts, as well as Moscow, at gunpoint on Tomahawks.

The fact that such plans are still on the agenda was already stated in August 2022 by the ex-deputy minister of defense of Ukraine, deputy chairman of the Center for Defense Strategies Alina Frolova:

We want Crimea to be open to cooperation with the EU and NATO, including military cooperation. <...> It is a strategically advantageous base for security control in the Black Sea.

The threat to Russia's national security is absolutely real, and in any case it would force the Kremlin to somehow react, followed by an inevitable escalation. That is, the conflict between Kiev and Moscow in the Crimea was predetermined and inevitable. And now we come to the main thing.

It was the “Western partners” who started the war in Ukraine, having staged a coup d’état in February 2014, as a result of which real neo-Nazis came to power in Kyiv. After that, the ball was on the side of the Kremlin, and he responded by holding a referendum in the Crimea, after which two new subjects went to the Russian Federation at once. Since neither Kyiv nor the collective West recognized this, the war between Russia and Ukraine for the peninsula objectively became simply inevitable. It could have been avoided if, during the period from February to May 2014, when there was no legal authority in Ukraine, the RF Armed Forces entered and, at the request of the legitimate President Yanukovych, restored the constitutional order.

Alas, this was not done, and Russia limited itself only to the Crimea, leaving the rest of the Independent under the puppet pro-Western regime, which was a strategic mistake. The entry of the Strelkov group into Sloviansk in order to ensure the safety of holding referendums in the Donbass, apparently, was an attempt by one of the "towers" to prevent the so-called drain of Novorossiya. As you can see, it worked only partly. The Armed Forces of Ukraine were not allowed to destroy the DPR and LPR then, but they were not recognized either, leaving them in limbo for eight long years. Strelkov himself was removed from the Donbass and the Minsk agreements were signed, which, as ex-Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel recently admitted, were used to prepare Ukraine for a war with Russia:

And the 2014 Minsk Agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time. She also used this time to become stronger, as can be seen today. Ukraine in 2014-2015 is not modern Ukraine. As we saw during the fighting around Debaltseve in 2015, Putin could easily have won then. And I very much doubt that at that time the NATO countries could have done as much as they are doing now to help Ukraine. It was clear to all of us that this was a frozen conflict, that the problem had not been resolved, but that was precisely what gave Ukraine precious time.

So, let's ask ourselves a fair question, what actually triggered the war: the arrival of Strelkov's group in Slavyansk in April 2014, or the February Maidan in Kiev and the subsequent March referendum in Crimea, which legally burned all the bridges to reconciliation? Someone is more comfortable blaming Igor Ivanovich for everything, who, of course, is far from a saint and a very difficult person in every sense, but, for their information, the “Western partners” themselves believe that the war did not start in Donbas, but in Crimea. Consider, for example, British General David Richards in an interview with The Washington Post, in which he states that the key to a peaceful settlement in Ukraine "is on the rocky, sea-washed peninsula of Crimea":

Some Western officials hope that an agreement to hand over Crimea to Russia could form the basis for a diplomatic end to the war. Many believe that the war that started in Crimea should end in Crimea.

Thus, the war between Russia and Ukraine objectively became inevitable after the confluence of three factors: the coup d'état in Kiev in February 2014, the referendum on reunification with Russia in Crimea in March, and the recognition of the regime of President Poroshenko as legal as a result of elections in May of that year, followed by the signing of the first Minsk agreements. Requests to hold or not to hold referendums in the Donbass would not fundamentally change anything, as well as entering Slovyansk. Strelkov is right only in that because of him, the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to shoot earlier than expected, and not in Crimea, but in the DPR and LPR.

Without Sloviansk and self-determination referendums in Donbas, Ukraine would have been at war with Russia over Crimea long ago, in 2015 or 2016, while the Democrats were still in power in Washington, before the arrival of President Trump. There they would have strictly put things in order, some of the dissenters would have been jailed, some simply killed, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have been prepared for the operation to “liberate Crimea”.
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  1. +4
    12 December 2022 12: 10
    Yes Yes.
    The West and Ukraine itself are to blame for all this.

    Only here is the question. And where did our people look from 1991 to 2014, why did this happen in a neighboring country? What did those of our services, which, by vocation, are supposed to establish and maintain good-neighborly relations with neighboring countries, do? Or... nip the threat in the bud.

    So there is no need to push all the blame on the West and Ukraine.
    1. -1
      12 December 2022 12: 16
      With the same success, one can ask: where did our people look, who allowed the collapse of the Union?
      1. +4
        12 December 2022 17: 49
        and where did ours, who allowed the collapse of the Union, look

        In the pocket of the state budget, wrinkling their foreheads and rubbing their bald patches, they thought how to steal more before the collapse that we planned.
        1. 0
          12 December 2022 20: 27
          In the pocket of the state budget, wrinkling their foreheads and rubbing their bald patches, they thought how to steal more before the collapse that we planned.

          This is too simple an answer. It does not explain why part of the people also succumbed to Western influence. Why did the rest of the people not come out to defend the Union after the Belovezhskaya agreements. Why didn't they support the State Emergency Committee... To say that all the thieves and fools is easier than to try to understand what happened then.
    2. +2
      12 December 2022 16: 24
      What did those of our services, which, by vocation, are supposed to establish and maintain good-neighborly relations with neighboring countries, do? Or... nip the threat in the bud.

      So you don't know? The expropriation of the expropriators (grabbers) and the redistribution of state property torn apart under Yeltsin. Remember the famous: "Grandmas must be done! Grandmas!"
  2. +3
    12 December 2022 12: 14
    The war was predetermined even with the collapse of the Union. For it is extremely obvious that Russia will NEVER accept the fact that absolutely all of its paths to the West are controlled by Western puppets. And as soon as the slightest opportunity presents itself, they will inevitably try to change the alignment. Oh - we would still have a sane pro-Russian leadership ..
  3. +2
    12 December 2022 12: 17
    It is quite possible, if the goals were set, it would be possible to organize the supply of weapons to the DPR-LPR, provide defense lines on the borders in the Crimea, increase the production of weapons (not in words, but in deeds), then the Okrainians would not stick their heads anywhere. But unfortunately in our country, both then and now, there are other goals - to sell everything to everyone, no matter what, and with such goals, the result is natural ...
  4. +1
    12 December 2022 12: 48
    Could the war in Ukraine have been avoided?

    It can and should have been avoided. At the very least, it could not be started without using all non-military methods of working with Ukraine.
    1. +3
      12 December 2022 14: 02
      It was the ineffectiveness of "non-military methods of working with Ukraine" that became the trigger for the start of the war.
      "War is the continuation of politics by other means" - Carl von Clausewitz.
      Ukraine, at the suggestion of the collective West, refused to declare its bloc-free status and thus guarantee the Russian Federation the absence of NATO missiles on the territory adjacent to the Russian Federation.
      From that "moment" war became inevitable.
      I. Strelkov has nothing to do with it.
      Not him - there would be another "Strelkov"!
      1. -2
        12 December 2022 14: 18
        Estonia, Latvia and now Finland is not that

        Quote from Mikhail L.
        refused to declare her bloc-free status

        and directly joined NATO.

        Are you going on a trip to Tallinnnnnn, Riga and Helsinki?
        1. 0
          12 December 2022 14: 33
          Quod licet Iovi (Jovi), non licet bovi

          What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull!
        2. 0
          12 December 2022 14: 36
          Since they are not of interest to us in Ukraine, these countries, unlike Ukraine and Belarus, are not included in the zone of our direct national interests, so there will definitely not be a campaign against them, unless, of course, they foolishly twitch at us.
          1. -2
            12 December 2022 14: 52
            Quote: sgrabik
            unlike Ukraine and Belarus, are not included in the zone of our direct national interests

            Perfectly.
            So bases and NATO have nothing to do with it,
            some "immediate national interests" surfaced.
            Do not make it difficult to voice them?
            1. -2
              12 December 2022 15: 19
              Sergei Marzhetsky,
              I am not on your "white" list. If you are interested in answers to the questions asked - include me in this list, or by mail [email protected]
              1. 0
                12 December 2022 17: 44
                If you are interested in the answers to the questions asked

                KMK they (questions) are rhetorical, and the author’s answers are of no interest! :)))
      2. -1
        12 December 2022 14: 19
        Quote from Mikhail L.
        It was the ineffectiveness of "non-military methods of working with Ukraine" that became the trigger for the start of the war

        Were they (non-military methods)? Do you remember which ones?
        1. +1
          12 December 2022 14: 29
          There were no "non-military methods": "the Russian Federation categorically refused contacts with Ukraine"! ;-(
          1. -2
            12 December 2022 14: 35
            Quote from Mikhail L.
            Russia categorically refused contacts with Ukraine

            So who is the evil Pinocchio to whom now ?!
            1. +2
              12 December 2022 14: 46
              Sarcasm is not available to you?
              I sympathize! ;-(
              1. 0
                12 December 2022 15: 02
                In your sarcastic (as it seems to you) expression, what Russia has been doing (or rather, not doing) for all 30 years of Ukraine's "independence" is fully disclosed. As they say, a Freudian slip.
                1. +1
                  12 December 2022 15: 08
                  Well, all the 90s, Russia did little at all, the fifth column was in power in Russia itself. Just in the 90s, this Russophobic Ukraine, which we now see, was formed.
                  1. -1
                    12 December 2022 15: 26
                    Does it change anything? Does this fully justify the start of the war? Maybe stop imitating Hohlopiteks and blaming the "poperedniks"?
                    1. 0
                      12 December 2022 15: 58
                      Quote: k7k8
                      Does this fully justify the start of the war?

                      What war? And most importantly, who really started this war?
                2. +2
                  12 December 2022 21: 45
                  I admire your idle talk.
                  You are in this field - you are out of competition! ;-(
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  5. 0
    12 December 2022 14: 23
    Naive and idealistic.
    Imperialism is in the yard. So - all the news - how much money the oligarchs earned by pumping gas to NATO.
    Money for joint events and friendship between peoples? and what then to buy palaces and yachts?

    As the classics said: imperialism is war. For economic space. What we see. Attached a third of the economy, for trillions of bucks...
    And Girkins, regular military volunteers)))) as if nothing to do with it ... how much does at least one tank cost? And where did the poor LDNR get money for them? (stating that he will easily drop the APU into the Black Sea ...)
    1. +3
      12 December 2022 16: 18
      Attached a third of the economy, for trillions of bucks...

      What is attached there? Only destroyed. And more will be destroyed.
      And the Russian Federation will have to restore all this. What's the profit?
    2. +2
      12 December 2022 17: 40
      And where did the poor LDNR get money for them? (stating that he will easily drop the APU into the Black Sea ...)

      If the Donbass had not been a nursing mother (more logically, a nursing father) for the rest of Ukraine, then no one in Lviv or Kiev would be excited about these territories. Look at the statistics on this issue, it is very revealing.
  6. +1
    12 December 2022 14: 47
    The trigger of the war in Ukraine was not Strelkov, Putin or Maidan. The roots of this war go back to the 1917 coup d'etat, which was carried out by separatists interested in creating Ukraine. The events of 1991 and 2014 provoked the next rounds of this confrontation, nothing more. Therefore, for this to stop, Ukraine must disappear. Something like this, in short.
    1. +2
      12 December 2022 16: 39
      The roots of this war go back to the 1917 coup d'etat, which was carried out by separatists interested in creating Ukraine.

      In general, it is! But at the same time, there are a number of events of a later time, also responsible for the current events. The author of the article did not set out to conduct a comprehensive analysis of the genesis of Ukrainian nationalism and separatism. (It’s a pity the topic is relevant, and it would not be superfluous to discuss it)
      1. -2
        12 December 2022 16: 49
        Quote: sap
        analysis of the genesis of Ukrainian nationalism and separatism

        kmk, the unwillingness of Ukrainians to live in the same state with Russia should simply be taken for granted, and no effort should be spent in this direction.

        And resources - to spend on the development of their own country.
        Well, to revive the BRZHDK along the northern latitudinal course, so that the possible bases of missiles and anti-missiles in Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Romania and the same Ukraine do not in any way affect the guarantees of causing unacceptable damage in a return salvo.

        Fence off Ukraine with a fence, and jump high for yourself.
        in 20-30 years there will be a sleepy agrarian state, sparsely populated by pensioners from those who could not gain a foothold in the EU.
        1. +1
          12 December 2022 18: 00
          Quote from Nelton.
          the unwillingness of Ukrainians to live in the same state with Russia should simply be taken for granted

          You can accept of course, but then let them be removed from the original Russian lands.
  7. 0
    12 December 2022 16: 23
    now it's easy to say what's wrong and what's not

    the main mistake was in 85 when Gorbachev was made General Secretary, the rest of the "mistakes" are a consequence of this

    and now at least give everything away - the war will not stop, but on the contrary it will become even tougher
    1. 0
      12 December 2022 17: 44
      Quote: Alexey P.
      the main mistake was in 85 when Gorbachev was made General Secretary, the rest of the "mistakes" are a consequence of this

      It is difficult to argue with this, it was Gorbachev's coming to power that gave rise to all the problems and conflicts that we are now reaping.
  8. +1
    12 December 2022 17: 18
    The RF Armed Forces entered and, at the request of the legitimate President Yanukovych, restored the constitutional order.

    To do this, it was necessary to receive the above request in writing in the helicopter on which Yanukovych was taken out by our special forces, under the threat of landing back into the hands of the maydauns. The soft landing of this helicopter is a one-time launch of helicopters with special forces and aircraft with an assault landing course for Kyiv, with the simultaneous introduction of troops to restore constitutional order.
  9. 0
    12 December 2022 17: 41
    All conflicts in the post-Soviet space are a consequence of the collapse of the USSR.

    The collapse of the USSR is a consequence of the fact that in Russia there was no social force capable of governing the country. The nobles gouged the Empire, the workers and peasants of the USSR. Who else was capable of self-organization? Practice has shown that only thieves.
  10. +2
    12 December 2022 17: 44
    And I have the opinion that Russia simply exchanged Crimea for the suppression of the Kyiv junta immediately after the coup on February 22, 2014. On the 23rd, the Sochi Olympics triumphantly ended. The very next day, on Monday, the 24th, Russia began to transfer helicopters and military units to Crimea. In fact, a secret blockade of Ukrainian military units in Crimea began. Then the referendum on 18 March. And during this period, until the elections on May 25, 2014 (Poroshenko was elected president of Ukraine), Russia did virtually nothing to overthrow the junta by non-military diplomatic means. No strict requirements for the UN Security Council and guarantors, agreements with Yanukovych (Poland, France, Germany), no UN resolutions on the coup in Kiev, nothing. All these actions were forgotten (most likely deliberately) in connection with the annexation of Crimea. In addition, Russia and Poroshenko recognized the legitimate president, and in fact the entire Kyiv government along with him. They hoped that the Ukrainian people would rise up and soon demolish this junta, at least in the Donbass and in the southern regions. An, no, it didn’t work out, the people didn’t rise and the junta turned out to be not so weak ...
    1. +1
      12 December 2022 17: 56
      Quote from VladZ
      the junta was not so weak ...

      No wonder, because they have the unconditional support of the West.
    2. 0
      12 December 2022 20: 36
      No strict requirements for the UN Security Council and guarantors, agreements with Yanukovych (Poland, France, Germany), no UN resolutions on the coup in Kiev, nothing.

      They spit on all the requirements, hard and soft. They gave guarantees to Janek and immediately forgot about them. The West sees only what it wants to see.
  11. +1
    13 December 2022 16: 24
    that the CBO was allegedly a mistake,

    NWO is just a consequence of the mistake that sits in inches and plans this kind of operation ...
    moreover, pro-si-ra-li ukrostan more than once - it started back in the late 80s, when the Rukh appeared there, but the Kremlin and the KGB had to impose on it - they themselves were already in ecstasy of the upcoming robbery ...
    then the drunk and Belovezhye and "what about Crimea" - "take it away!", then the dispossessed, led by Pavlovsky, managed to do their best in the elections in dill, then 2014-15 they threw Novorossia, etc. ...
  12. +4
    13 December 2022 17: 04
    It was possible to avoid the war in Ukraine, but for this it was necessary to let the army go 60 kilometers, which remained to Tbilisi and, probably, it was necessary to linger in Kazakhstan ...
  13. +1
    13 December 2022 17: 12
    Could the war in Ukraine have been avoided?

    Yes, but for this it was necessary to prevent the Bialowieza conspiracy in 1991, or even better, Gorbachev's rise to power in the 80s.
  14. 0
    20 December 2022 22: 28
    Outside capitalism. For an oligarch, a capitalist, a huckster... the people of the Russian Federation or Ukraine are consumables. Capitalism-imperialism without wars, market expansion will die, so the war must be, where is the second question. The conditions for a NATO war against the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine were ripe in 2014, and NATO took eight years to prepare. It is bad that the authorities of the Russian Federation did not prepare for this war, they were engaged in theft, stuffing personal pockets. The initiative to start the war belongs to London. Putin only initiated the implementation of London's plans. Strelkov was used in the dark as a performer.
    Let's be pragmatists. The huge European and North American markets are closed to us for many years. Since sanctions have been applied on foreign markets aimed at strangling the Russian economy, we have the opportunity to compensate for part of the losses by expanding the internal economic space, i.e. at the expense of the territory of Ukraine, its economy and population.
    The cost of modern Ukraine is estimated at 65-80 trillion dollars. Now the question is being decided who will be the owner of these trillions.