What will be the fate of the hypothetical third Minsk agreements


With the beginning of partial mobilization in Russia, very high hopes are attached. The replenishment of more than 300 thousand reservists will allow the RF Armed Forces not only to confidently hold the front, but also to switch to active offensive operations. Attacks can be delivered both on the Left Bank with access to the Dnieper, and on the Right Bank of Ukraine. The threat to the Kyiv regime is constantly growing, which is why the likelihood of the conclusion of "Minsk-3" is now very high.


"Minsk-3"?


To understand today's events, it is necessary to recall the logic in which Minsk-1 and Minsk-2 were signed. If you look at the text of the American Wikipedia, which took a pronounced pro-Ukrainian position, it says that, they say, the Minsk agreements “were imposed on Kiev by the Kremlin during the devastating defeats of Ukraine from the regular and irregular forces of the Russian Federation.” In fact, everything is exactly the opposite.

Everyone who closely followed what was happening in the South-East of Ukraine in 2014-2015 remembers that the first Minsk agreements were signed when the Donbass militia, with the support of the “north wind”, began to achieve noticeable military victories. However, then, on July 17, 2014, that memorable tragedy occurred with the Malaysian Boeing, and the further offensive of the militia was stopped. On September 5, the first Minsk agreements were signed, linking the unrecognized DPR and LPR hand and foot, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine received time for a respite and regrouping, which they took advantage of.

A powerful strike force of Ukrainian troops was created in Debaltseve, which posed a real threat to the Donbass. It was so great that in January-February 2015 the militia had to beat out the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Debaltseve with great bloodshed, which then went to the DPR. On February 11-12, 2015, the second peace agreements were signed in Minsk. After these events, an active stage of retraining of the Ukrainian army and the construction of those very fortified areas in the Donbass that the RF Armed Forces and NM LDNR have not yet been able to take in more than nine months of the NMD began.

The question is, who really imposed the Minsk agreements on whom, and who really benefited from them?

For the past eight years, this issue has been the subject of fierce debate. Therefore, it remains to thank for their frankness two people who took an active part in the negotiation process. The first is already the former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, who honestly told last summer why Kyiv went to Minsk-1 and Minsk-2:

We have achieved what we wanted. We did not believe Putin, just as we do not believe now. Our task was, firstly, to avert the threat, or at least to delay the war. Knock yourself eight years so we can rebuild economic growth and built the power of the Armed Forces. This was the first task - and it was achieved.

A much more authoritative source can also be considered the former Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel, who recently hacked at the truth, honestly saying how everything really happened:

And the 2014 Minsk Agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time. She also used this time to become stronger, as can be seen today. Ukraine in 2014-2015 is not modern Ukraine. As we could see during the fighting around Debaltseve in 2015, Putin could have easily won then. And I very much doubt that at that time the NATO countries could have done as much as they are doing now to help Ukraine. It was clear to all of us that this was a frozen conflict, that the problem had not been resolved, but that was precisely what gave Ukraine precious time.

Vladimir Putin commented on Frau Merkel's revelations as follows:

For me it was an absolute surprise, it's disappointing. I did not expect this from the former federal chancellor.

Alexander Lukashenko also spoke in solidarity with him:

I must tell you that I expressed my point of view on this to Vladimir Vladimirovich. If that were the case, as she says, it's disgusting. But it's not. And the way it really is, it's not just disgusting - it's disgusting. Merkel... I didn't expect that either. And the President of Russia said this: he did not expect such an attack from Angela Merkel. She acted petty, vile. She wants to be trendy. The Minsk agreements and the position of Merkel, like others, including Poroshenko, were then very serious. Imagine, after the Minsk meetings, the whole world said that they had finally taken a step and signed these agreements. The war stopped, people stopped dying. All this was positively evaluated.

Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić also announced a review of Belgrade’s position on what is happening in Ukraine after 2014:

Merkel's statement is something that dramatically changes the state of affairs in every sense, primarily political. This is a clear signal for me - whom we dare not believe. That's all I can say. And here the question arises: how far we, as a small country, can hold out. If they could play like that with someone who is much stronger than us, lie and deceive a country like the Russian Federation, use the time to arm in order to prepare a great defeat for the Russian Federation militarily. It is so strange to me that the Russian special services did not know, it is unbelievable that they were so irresponsible not to see this. And so unprepared to get involved in all this. This changes a lot for me. But don't completely compare our situation with theirs. This will be a lesson to us.

Okay, let's say everyone upstairs understood everything. Let's fix the thesis that "Western partners" and Kyiv cannot be trusted, because they will certainly deceive. But then, excuse me, why all these continuous calls for negotiations with the Zelensky regime? Is Minsk-1 and Minsk-2 not enough for you? Is it really not clear that Ukraine and the NATO bloc behind it are using another suspension of hostilities by the Russian army for further preparations for war?

No piece of paper signed by Zelensky will protect Russia from the resumption of hostilities by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Even if now this “bloody buffoon” signs something there, he will later be overthrown through a military coup, and some Zaluzhny will come to power, who will declare that Ukraine does not recognize any agreements with the “interveners” and “occupiers”, and then everything will start again. Zelensky will hole up somewhere in Israel or the UK, creating a puppet "Ukrainian government in exile" there. The only real guarantee of the security of our country from the Ukrainian direction is the Russian military bases near Kiev, Odessa and Lvov. They can appear there after the military victory of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation over the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which became possible after partial mobilization.

And now, when Russia finally began to accelerate its military machine in the right direction, signs of "Minsk-3" began to appear, which should again tie our hands. Information leaked to the foreign press that the United States is ready to supply Ukraine with long-range weapons systems and does not mind if the Armed Forces of Ukraine use them directly against Russia. In an interview with The Times, a senior Pentagon source said that the United States is no longer very afraid of an escalation from Russia, for example, in the form of a tactical nuclear retaliatory strike against Ukraine or even against NATO countries:

We still use the same escalation calculations, but the fear of escalation has changed since the start [of hostilities]. The situation has changed.

It is easy to see some connection between the recent UAF strikes on Russian military airfields located deep in the rear and the increased arrogance of the Anglo-Saxons. The flight range of Ukrainian drones allows them to finish even to Moscow. The transfer of more serious long-range strike weapons to Kiev will give the Zelensky regime leverage on the Kremlin in order to re-tie it hand and foot, preventing it from taking advantage of the effect of partial mobilization in the Russian Armed Forces. What will be the fate of this hypothetical Minsk-3 is clear in advance. If there is no counteroffensive by the Russian army, Ukraine will somehow survive this winter and pump its army with Western weapons according to the old scheme. Then hostilities will resume at the initiative of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

What can be concluded from the above? There is no need for any more negotiations with Kiev, because it is simply pointless. Russia's security can only really be ensured by Russian soldiers standing on the border with Poland and Romania.
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  1. Rainy Online Rainy
    Rainy 11 December 2022 14: 02
    +1
    After all, the author understands that without further mobilization of the population it will be impossible to reach the Polish border?
    In general, the author often raises the topic of mobilization in his articles.
    At the same time, the author himself is a little over 40 years old. So why is the author himself here, and did not volunteer with a machine gun to the front?

    The population, which falls under further possible mobilization, only angers such talk. Why? Because those who call for such a thing are obliged to set an example and go in the forefront of the attackers, and not sit in the rear.
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 11 December 2022 17: 36
      +2
      The transition to personal reproaches to the author of the article is a sign of the bias of the commentator, who calls himself "rainy". No need for mud!
      1. Rainy Online Rainy
        Rainy 11 December 2022 17: 47
        +4
        No, it's not just about the author. This applies to absolutely everyone who persistently campaigns for mobilization, but is in no hurry to go to war himself.
      2. Vdars Offline Vdars
        Vdars (Victor) 12 December 2022 22: 57
        -1
        The nickname "rainy" says a lot!
    2. Foe Pshekov Offline Foe Pshekov
      Foe Pshekov (Arkady) 12 December 2022 05: 33
      -1
      The population may want to live in chocolate, drink Borjomi, and relax in Courchevel. There is such a thing - to defend the Motherland. And everyone will go - to whom it will be necessary. And you, including.
      There are not many options. Fight for your families at the front with a machine gun in your hands. Or the solution of the confrontation with blows from nuclear weapons. Maybe tactical (then everyone is fine, except for Lviv, or wherever they fly there), or maybe strategic (then everyone is bad, regardless of nationality or religion).
  2. guest Offline guest
    guest 11 December 2022 14: 07
    +7
    There will be no Minsk agreements, the West has set a course for the destruction of Russia, and this war can only end with the surrender of one of the parties.
    1. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
      Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 11 December 2022 17: 04
      +5
      Not a fact, rather there will be an agreement, the Kremlin will be allowed to save face a little, with the general understanding that this is a defeat. It will be interesting to see how the propaganda of the Russian Federation will present it.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 04: 42
        -3
        Vlad, what is this monster (s) such that they will allow the Kremlin ...
        I got the impression after reading your comments here that you have no idea what Russia is and who the Russian people are. If you don't know, you can easily make a mistake.
      2. Vdars Offline Vdars
        Vdars (Victor) 12 December 2022 23: 04
        -2
        There WILL BE NO DOGORVONIKA!!
    2. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 11 December 2022 17: 37
      +2
      And how do you know that there will be no Minsk agreements? Was there a revelation from Above?
      Our society is such that it is always FOR anything. They will even bring a rope with them from home ....
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 11 December 2022 17: 55
        +3
        I wrote the West so I already decided, and compared to our talkers, they do not throw words into the wind. They destroyed Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya, and they will destroy Russia if possible.
        1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
          ivan2022 (ivan2022) 11 December 2022 18: 52
          +4
          And Yugoslavia and Libya and Iraq exist.
          Nobody announced the plans of the West regarding the destruction of Russia.
          Their interest is most likely in the continued exploitation of Russia's resources. How this will be further implemented is not yet clear from the level of ordinary citizens.

          Therefore, new agreements cannot be ruled out. Judging by the events of the last 8 years, the task of defeating the Armed Forces of Ukraine was not set. But to lose completely was also not put.

          One should proceed from the most obvious: as Saltykov-Shchedrin wrote:

          In Russia, everything is done by order.

          The order can be anything. Build a great Empire, destroy the Empire, annex Ukraine, separate Ukraine, return Ukraine, win the War, lose the War. Everything will be done!!!

          But we do not know the main thing - which order is actually being executed today.
          And if we don't know, then everything is possible.
          1. guest Offline guest
            guest 11 December 2022 18: 54
            +6
            Quote: ivan2022
            And Yugoslavia and Libya and Iraq exist.

            Please show me Yugoslavia on a modern map. As for the other two countries, they exist only formally.
            1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
              ivan2022 (ivan2022) 11 December 2022 19: 30
              0
              Yes, you are right, but Yugoslavia was divided like the USSR. Looks like herself... And there is Serbia. And there is Russia. No one seems to be destroyed at all. Just reformatted. And they're reformatting.

              But somehow they don't tell us in advance. That's the thing

              Yeltsin did more than NATO and than Hitler. At night, he left for the Belovezhsky forests .. And, perhaps, there is no USSR .. Ordered and done. We just need to order the people like this ....
              1. guest Offline guest
                guest 11 December 2022 19: 38
                +2
                Quote: ivan2022
                Yugoslavia was divided like the USSR. Seems like herself...

                No, not by herself, the West put its dirty little hands there.
        2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
          aslanxnumx (Aslan) 11 December 2022 20: 00
          +4
          Why kill a cash cow that is ready to sell anything
          1. guest Offline guest
            guest 11 December 2022 20: 03
            -1
            Quote: aslan642
            who is ready to sell anything

            Not quite ready, after all, she didn’t give up Crimea.
      2. Vdars Offline Vdars
        Vdars (Victor) 12 December 2022 23: 07
        0
        No need to attribute your ideas to the WHOLE society!!
  3. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 11 December 2022 14: 30
    +10
    Russia today has only one task - to resist.
    There is no NWO in Ukraine for a long time. The whole war in Russia.
    There are currently no forces for the liberation of Russian territories from the word AT ALL.
    Are there any plans for the liberation of Kherson and Zaporozhye?
    The expected November offensive was disrupted by another agreement on grain, where, as expected, they threw it.
    And in winter, "respected" partners have Christmas and New Year. Is General Kherson wintering already?
    It is necessary to give the mercenaries a rest, release the Nazis from prisons to rest in Turkey, etc.?

    "Formidable" political scientists are pissing the runaway jesters and singers in the toilets.
    Only the former Russian Forbes list touch fear. Or will Solovyov finally list the billionaires-patriots?
    Our grandmothers and volunteers help the country with socks or drones bought for children.
    Maybe someone saw Putin surrounded by billionaires who helped the SVO to liberate Russia?

    The NWO was a huge and tragic mistake from the start.
    Putin knew perfectly well that NATO in the EU is a colossus with feet of clay and its combat potential is nothing without the United States.
    It was necessary to negotiate to preserve the fragile, bad, but peace with Ukraine, for the sake of the Russian world.
    Or direct their force against the potential of NATO, not Ukraine.
    Not military force, but limiting the supply of everything in the world. what would cause them the same crisis as now.
    If they are the root cause of the crisis.

    The result is a massacre in Russia and Ukraine, and Russia continues to trade with NATO countries !!!!
    Supplies NATO with oil. gas, LNG, plutonium, now probably ammonia, grain for speculators, fertilizer for speculators..... Not? Not?
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 11 December 2022 18: 15
      +5
      The fact that Russia continues to trade was not revealed yesterday ...... The matter is simple: everyone was alarmed when they were afraid that they would bomb. And before that 30 years there were many amazing events ...

      And the collapse of the country exactly 31 years ago in a shameful way. It's just that three men met at night in the forest and signed a paper that the country with a population of almost 300 million is no more. .....

      And the execution of the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies in October 1993.

      And the sale of the country, the export of trillions of dollars over decades.

      The events are great! And the reaction of society is zero .... .

      If only the feeder worked. And all do not care ... And the result is natural, even fair. How could it be otherwise?

      First, Ukraine was separated "so as not to feed", and now "we will return the land"? Is this ever happened in the history of mankind?
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 04: 31
      -4
      Hiker, how much can you say about Russian billionaires, huh? Why are you not one of the Russian billionaires? Who is stopping you from becoming one? Or can you just count money in other people's pockets, but roll up your sleeves and start working weakly or professionalism is not enough?
  4. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 11 December 2022 15: 04
    -3
    Dreamer, you called me
    Dreamer, and you and I are not a couple


    (this is sarcasm if you don't get it)
  5. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 11 December 2022 15: 06
    +6
    According to the agreement "Minsk-3" and so on.
    That's what people are saying today. that Bout was changed to Kherson.
    I understand that this is crap! This is bullshit, but people are looking for logic and do not find it.

    Blogger Yura Podolyaka publicly declares. that the surrender of Kherson is the result of a political deal with the United States.
    After that, everyone is silent, and Yura is awarded a medal.
    Maybe he will explain what kind of "Minsk-3" this is, which so far no one knows except him?
    Why is he not asked such a question on television?
    What did Russia change the Russians and Kherson for?
    And if so, then what....Putin-a traitor?

    And if Podolyaka is crazy, then why a medal?
    1. Vdars Offline Vdars
      Vdars (Victor) 12 December 2022 23: 24
      -1
      If I, a former lieutenant of the KIK, who ended up serving as a two-year student, after a diploma at a civilian university (MAI), perfectly understand the difficulty of retaining Kherson, what kind of deal can we talk about?! No matter how disgusting the thought of surrender!
  6. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 11 December 2022 15: 19
    -1
    What will be the fate of the hypothetical third Minsk agreements

    Their fate will remain hypothetical.
  7. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
    Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 11 December 2022 15: 26
    +5
    All the author's wishes are no longer relevant, one should forget about claims to the right bank, there the window of military opportunities for the Russian Federation is blocked. On the left bank, until the end of the 23rd year, Moscow can still have tactical success. It is obvious that the February tasks will not be fulfilled due to previous mistakes and miscalculations. Vucic talks about what the Kremlin is silent about, the West outplayed Moscow both in diplomacy and militarily.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 04: 22
      -2
      Vlad, Lllyulyok truncated!
  8. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 11 December 2022 15: 56
    +6
    the fact that now Putin makes round eyes and is surprised at Merkel’s statements, this is complete acting and insincerity, he and his entourage are not fools and everyone perfectly understood when they signed this treacherous Minsk, Putin’s task at that time differed from our expectations and consisted in in order to push the Donbass to the outskirts with all their might in exchange for the Crimea, but thanks to the West, they resisted and Putin could not finally surrender the Russians of Donbass. There is no doubt that the next Minsk will happen, the Kremlin waiter will sit out until the next war, he always behaved like this, why should something change now
    1. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
      Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 11 December 2022 17: 09
      0
      The idea was correct, Donbass as part of Ukraine, in fact, had to complete the tasks in its peaceful way. Only here in Kyiv don’t go @ you be led to such multi-move))
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 11 December 2022 18: 01
        +2
        Quote: Vlad Srs
        Donbass as part of Ukraine, in fact, had to fulfill the tasks in its peaceful way.

        And what are the tasks?
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 04: 13
      -1
      Rotkiv, how do you understand your words (if you understand them at all) to shove Donbass into Ukraine with all your might? And about the special status, of course, you are not in the spirit of a dream? So take an interest before pushing your dunno into the forum. The idea, it seems to me, was that Donbass would subsequently receive the same status (special status) of autonomy as Crimea. And already on this legal basis, simply as an independent entity with its own authorities and the Armed Forces, it held a referendum on joining the Russian Federation. The fact that such an option could well happen in Kyiv was well known, therefore, Donbass could not peacefully (squeeze) into Ukraine in principle. Donbass as a sovereign entity simply did not have the opportunity to conclude military alliances, like Russia. But Russia could help Donbass in any way it could. It's right there somewhere. Well, and probably the most important thing is to compare the percentage of preferences of the population of Donbass to Russia and Ukraine and whether it would have made sense to hold a referendum at that time. The situation should have matured, no matter how it sounds.
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  10. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 11 December 2022 16: 21
    +5
    In Russia, the government is the comprador bourgeoisie, and for the sake of its own personal interest and benefit, it will sign any Agreements. Will Putin draw conclusions from how Merkel lowered him? Putin had a lot of good things connected with Germany, Putin knows the German language, knows German culture, was friends with the Germans, Nord Stream also took place only thanks to Putin's personal good relations with the Germans. Friendly relations between the Russian Federation and Germany were beneficial to everyone. Merkel delivered a vile treacherous blow to the back below the waist, this cannot be forgiven. There is only one way out of the problem in Ukraine: to fix legally, by the Law of the Russian Federation, that the entire territory of Ukraine is an integral part of Russia. No agreements, negotiations, treaties on Ukraine should be carried out or signed. Only the surrender of Ukraine.
    The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 11 December 2022 16: 31
      +3
      Quote: vlad127490
      Merkel landed a vile, treacherous stab in the back below the belt

      Not for the first time, after she betrayed Kolya, one should have expected this from her.
  11. mechanic Offline mechanic
    mechanic (Yuri) 11 December 2022 18: 04
    +7
    It was clear from the outset that the Minsk agreements were a respite for Kyiv.
    After all, then Kyiv could not oppose anything to Russia, so they made a knight's move.
    It is strange that now Zakharova and others like her are so indignant and surprised at Merkel's statements.
    And there is no need to wait for an outburst of indignation in the Western public after Merkel's confession - it will not happen.
    Since the Western public has always intuitively understood this: that it is necessary to powder the brains of the GDP with all sorts of crap, such as the Minsk agreements, so that Ukraine will get back on its feet after the Maidan and be able to fully resist Russia.
    The West has always said one thing, thought another, and did a third.
    Based on this, it was necessary to act after the 90s, then Zakharova would not have to be surprised today that the West froze 300 billion reserves (and why did they invest there?), did not comply with the Minsk agreements (and why did we fall for these agreements?) , blew up the pipes of the Nord Stream (why did we lay them at all for our potential enemies?)
    And there are thousands more questions about why we have been bending to the West for 25 years, adapting to them, trusting them, keeping money there, pumping oil and gas to them.
    Are we so naive, or are we so stupid, or is there something else?
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 11 December 2022 19: 38
      +10
      Are we so naive, or are we so stupid, or is there something else?

      Third. This third is called oligarchic-clan power.
      In other words, traders. With their selfish interests.
      Here is what "MK" writes about this (link will be below):

      The saddest thing in all this is not that they were deceived, but that even now the idea of ​​​​the possibility of somehow agreeing, making concessions, if only there was friendship-chewing gum with the West, and the Russians will somehow trample on again, is alive and well . Merchants are (in every sense) strong. And while this is true, a fresh lesson from Frau Merkel may not be useful.

      Everything is like a classic:

      Walks ..... through the forest, looking for .... stupider than himself.

      https://www.mk.ru/politics/2022/12/08/merkel-prepodala-rossii-zhestkiy-urok-ukraine-dali-vremya-sobrat-sily.html
    2. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 12 December 2022 13: 02
      -2
      Quote: Mechanic
      After all, then Kyiv could not oppose anything to Russia

      In addition to sanctions similar to the current ones.
      But then the Russian economy was much worse prepared for them.
      Including net imports of agricultural products in the amount of $21 billion
  12. Carmela Offline Carmela
    Carmela (Carmela) 11 December 2022 18: 09
    +8
    "For me, it was an absolute surprise, it's disappointing. I didn't expect this from a former federal chancellor."

    We all knew this, but for him it was a surprise. I have no words, only expressions.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 11 December 2022 18: 16
      +5
      Quote: Carmela
      We all knew this, but for him it was a surprise.

      Come on, he probably still believes in Santa Claus, so there will be another surprise in the new year. wink laughing
  13. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 11 December 2022 18: 32
    +3
    An old joke about how to increase authority:

    First, bring a goat into the house, and when it becomes unbearable, bring the goat out!

    The election year is coming. It's time to take the goat out of the house..... The people will be happy!

    I believe that if there are agreements, then their fate will be beautiful. No one will throw rockets and no one will be called anywhere ... Isn't this the happiness of ordinary people?
  14. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 11 December 2022 19: 04
    +2
    Talk about negotiations. Everything is clear with Russia. But Zelensky’s side represents the people who organized the coup in Ukraine, which led to the collapse of the state. Their strength is in foreign support.

    What is the status of the side of Zelensky and his associates, who dislike everything Russian? This is not Ukraine - 100% laughing
  15. Pro100 Offline Pro100
    Pro100 (Vladimir Babaev) 11 December 2022 19: 05
    +4
    What will be the fate of the hypothetical third Minsk agreements

    Same as first and second.
  16. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 11 December 2022 21: 32
    +2
    From empty to empty.
    It is clear that the military and politicians have their own analytics and their own intelligence, and not newspaper propaganda.
    Therefore, they did not believe a penny ... And Minsk .. - at least some kind of agreement is better than none.
    According to Goblin, Russia has been preparing for the NWO since the age of 14. And a year later, she began to weld umbrellas on tanks ....
    What kind of Minsk are there, when Biden and others called in advance a more or less exact date ... despite the "no" Kremlin ...
  17. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 11 December 2022 22: 32
    0
    The US has one more year for everything. 2023. Then the elections. Then China. This is even if you do not take into account the issue of Iran, North Korea (the latter launches one missile more beautiful than the other). Turkey, Syria. These are all issues that need to be addressed, or may escalate.

    In the economy, too, not everything is clear. China switches to yuan with the Saudis. The global economy is changing and adapting. The NWO regime for the EU and, to some extent, for the United States limits their opportunities, increases risks and costs, and significantly complicates the concentration of efforts on the challenges of 2023-24, which are not Russia at all.

    The end of the NWO is a strategic necessity for them, no matter what they say or do. Fitting into an extremely difficult, crisis and unpredictable 2023 in the conditions of the NWO is much more dangerous and difficult than without the NWO. In Germany, the admirers of the Reich were covered for a reason, and now the laws on weapons are being tightened for this matter. Everyone is getting ready.

    Russia is also preparing for what will happen in 2023-24. Therefore, we do not see Coalition-SV at the front, we do not see Tornado-S (with rare exceptions), we still do not see a lot of things.

    For Russia, playing for time and minimizing its losses is now a top priority. The end of NWO Minsk 3 is absolutely meaningless. No matter how many times we have heard about Russia's readiness for negotiations, no one even thinks about them.
  18. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 11 December 2022 22: 35
    +3
    Moscow might not mind if it would veer off the path of an uncompromising fight, but whether the enemy, who is quite satisfied with the state of affairs, will let go. Blood is flowing, UA is not a pity, and the promotion of the military industry of the West has begun.
    A truce is unlikely, but if it happens, it will lead to defeat in the long run, and hence to tension within the country.
  19. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 11 December 2022 23: 21
    0
    да, Минские соглашения для двух сторон, это перерыв на отдых перед следующим раундом боя. другое дело, если одна из сторон не захочет "отдыхать", то она будет долбить в углу ринга отдыхающего уставшего противника ), и это будет РФ( долбить).
  20. Alex D Offline Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 12 December 2022 02: 53
    +6
    Russia has nothing to offer the Ukrainians, although the territory of the Ukrainians and ours is the same territory. We have nothing to offer them, because For 30 years Russia has been under the yoke of the same forces as Ukraine - this is a kleptocracy and compradors in the service of their Western curators.
  21. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 03: 47
    -3
    The author has some kind of fixed idea with these Minsks 3...4...100 Maybe it's enough to amuse your inner Wang already? I personally have not heard Russia ask or insist on any kind of negotiations with Kiev. Literally, the president says that Russia is always ready for negotiations. And is an ultimatum to Kyiv not synonymous with negotiations - under what conditions will Kyiv sign this ultimatum? Is Russia ready for such negotiations? Of course, it is ready and this has already been said retold hundreds of times. The next feature of the author is the constant idea that the Minsks were given the opportunity only for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to build up their potential, and the LDNR Russia allegedly tied hand and foot. The author for what purpose are you deceiving the members of the forum? After all, the republics also took advantage of Minsk to create their own Armed Forces to conduct exercises and master equipment and weapons, combat tactics and all that, without which any soldier in a war is a target. When will the author start writing the truth that is and not his own? And to the author - if you write to me in a personal without the right to answer you - do not write, it's not decent. Do you even understand this?
    1. cooper Offline cooper
      cooper (Alexander) 12 December 2022 09: 54
      +3
      Do not post nonsense. The author is 100% right.
  22. Yuri Nemov Offline Yuri Nemov
    Yuri Nemov (Yuri Nemov) 12 December 2022 09: 31
    +3
    I agree with the author. Stop playing giveaway, time has shown that those who opposed the Minsk agreements were right, it was a "setup" for the Donbass, whose militia could overthrow the junta and restore legitimate power in Ukraine back in 14-15 (recognition of Merkel herself). Why were they stopped?
  23. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 12 December 2022 09: 52
    +2
    The main thing is that this should finally reach the entire Russian leadership and Putin personally. How many times can you step on the same rake. They are permanently bred like unintelligent children. How long..
  24. Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
    Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 12 December 2022 11: 15
    +1
    It is so strange to me that the Russian special services did not know, it is unbelievable that they were so irresponsible not to see this

    But they know well how to squeeze someone else's property. They don't miss here.
  25. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 12 December 2022 12: 54
    +1
    If something like this is even planned, this is another betrayal on the part of our government.
  26. Adm Hts Offline Adm Hts
    Adm Hts (AdmHts) 13 December 2022 16: 47
    +2
    The threat to the Kyiv regime is constantly growing, which is why the likelihood of the conclusion of "Minsk-3" is now very high.

    there is no threat to kuivu...
    and "Minsk-3" is being sought by the Kremlin, not by Kuiv ...
    the greens themselves will only do this if the pin-do-sy is forced ...
    Putin:

    For me it was an absolute surprise, it's disappointing. I did not expect this from the former federal chancellor.

    this is a confession of incompetence ... both for the Chekist and for the politician ...
  27. anti-aircraft gunner 13 December 2022 19: 01
    +1
    How many letters about nothing! And at the end about Minsk-3 one paragraph. Do you fill your author with signs?
    In short and clear, we can say this. The Politburo has already signed a certain agreement. "Thanks" to which the West got everything it wanted. For this, we were allowed to kill each other for the time being along the entire front line. Without crossing to the right bank of the Dnieper.
  28. Shuev Offline Shuev
    Shuev (Shuisky) 16 December 2022 17: 07
    0
    What will be the fate of the hypothetical third Minsk agreements

    in the present, the Istanbul agreements are relevant