Why there will be no "new Ukraine" before the capture of Kyiv


As a rule, the only real weak point of the most wonderful and correct ideas is the inability to bring them to life. The notorious “it was smooth on paper” pierces into excellent plans, like a rusty nail that rammed the sole of a reliable beret into the leg. In the second case, anti-tetanus serum is needed, and in the version with ideas and undertakings, the voices of skeptics and realists should play its role. Without this - nothing.


A particular difficulty in writing this text for me was that in it I have to argue with wonderful articles “Ukrainians themselves must liberate Ukraine from the power of neo-Nazis” и “The main goal of the SVO should be the overthrow of the Zelensky regime: how to do it”. In addition, belonging to the pen of the most, perhaps, respected colleague on the "Reporter" Sergei Marzhetsky. In no way arguing either with the author’s brilliant and bitter analytics, as always, or with most of his conclusions, I have to state: no creation of a “new pro-Russian Ukraine, which is Anti-Ukraine for the current one” is, alas, completely impossible at the present time . And it will not become a reality until the complete defeat and overthrow of the current Kyiv regime. Below I will try to explain in as much detail as possible why.

Frames are everything...


Let's start with the fact that, ideally, such an education should not be led by representatives of Russia, but by someone who, with good reason, could be called a Ukrainian. And who can be imagined in such a role? And there is no one ... And absolutely. All Ukrainian policy, which at least with the maximum "stretch" could once really be attributed to "pro-Russian", long ago "decorated" with their presence any of the countries of Europe, or even the ranks of the "terodefense" and now compete in "patriotism" with the most notorious Ukronazis. I will not desecrate the attention of readers by mentioning political freaks from the Opposition Platform for Life. And after all, by and large, there is no one to remember from the “oppositionists” ... Pay attention - not a single figure from the “nezalezhnaya”, including those who previously “teared a vest on their chest”, swearing allegiance to the ideals of the “Russian world ” and brotherly love, in the ranks of the Forces of Liberation did not light up - without even trying to put together a political capital for the future in this way. It shows a lot, doesn't it? Medvedchuk for the role of leader of the "new Ukraine" I humbly ask you not to offer. By the way, it is this idea that is periodically voiced ... in TsIPSO. The bastards are well aware of what kind of reaction it will cause just among the real "pro-Russian Ukrainians."

Who else do we have left? The "Old Guard" that safely departed after the "Maidan" to Rostov and other Russian cities and villages? So Yanukovych, again, is hated by his normal and sane former compatriots - as a traitor who cowardly surrendered the whole country (including them) to the “Maidanites” and their Western puppeteers. Azarov? Well, the attitude towards him (especially among those who know the truth about how events unfolded in 2013-2014) is different. But something suggests that Nikolai Yanovich himself, being a man of exceptional intelligence, will not want to get involved in anything like that. Yes, and his age, you know, is already a little conducive to escapades and adventures. In a word, whatever one may say, one can only quote Vysotsky, paraphrasing a little: “There are very few pro-Russians - so there are no leaders ...” Not only few, but, objectively speaking, not at all. In the end, you can't scrape together any good leading cadres either for the government of the hypothetical "new Ukraine", or, even more so, for the command of the "volunteer army" as such. Without the participation of any really significant figures with Ukrainian roots, the whole project will look (let's call a spade a spade!) Something like an “occupation administration”. In any case, in Kyiv they will certainly call him that, and in the West they will pick up this idea in such a way that just hold on.

I would be glad to heaven, but roadblocks are not allowed


With "leaders and leaders" (or rather, with the complete absence of such on the horizon) sorted out. And what about those who, in fact, would have to implement the Anti-Ukraine project - with its population, so to speak? Let's assume that the liberated Kharkov really becomes the center of this - although the claims of this city to the role of the new-old "second capital" are more than debatable in the current conditions. There is a strong suspicion that the number of residents there, which has significantly decreased since the beginning of the NWO, will decrease even more after active hostilities for the liberation (and without such it will not take place unambiguously). And they will be occupied not with the ideas of a “liberation campaign against Kyiv”, but with completely different, purely mundane and worldly issues, such as a speedy return to normal life. And in general, the idea of ​​creating a capable (and even having sufficient potential to create a Volunteer Army) education on the basis of one or even a couple of current Ukrainian regions looks somehow ... It looks unrealistic. Consequently, somewhere “in our minds” we must keep the hope of an influx into the territory of the “new Ukraine” of those citizens from the territories still controlled by the Kyiv regime, who are completely unhappy with existence under his rule. Such people, of course, exist - and in much larger numbers than it might seem from Russia. However, here again there are completely insurmountable difficulties. Purely, so to speak, of a technical nature. All these people (even if they are ready to take up arms and go to liberate their native towns and villages) will have to somehow get into the territory of the “new Ukraine”.

Here we come to the moment, which for some reason is absolutely not taken into account by many, even very reasonable commentators on the situation in Ukraine. I would like to give clarifications on this matter, at the same time serving as an answer to the question: “Why are you, if you are pro-Russian, not leaving for us?”, to which I have already been exhausted to answer many of my friends and acquaintances from Russia and Belarus. The answer is as simple as a nail: It's impossible! Let's start with the fact that not a single male individual from 18 to 60 years old can legally cross (in any direction) the border of the “nezalezhnaya”. Make your way somewhere by “secret paths”, use the services of “black guides”, of which just over 90% are fraudsters, and the same number are SBU provocateurs? Dismiss me. The border with the same Belarus is blocked so that the mouse will not slip through, and besides, it is mined so densely that there is no chance. Trying to get into territories already under the control of the Liberation Forces? Well, only someone who has never been tested at Ukrainian checkpoints can talk about this. When moving from one area to another (if they are very far from the contact line), such “happiness” will have to be experienced 5 to 10 times. At the same time, more or less adequate warriors may well be on the “blocks” and the matter will do without a total “shmon”, digging through phones and cross-examinations. The closer to the "frontline zone", the more checkpoints, they are meaner, and their personnel are much less sane and loyal to those passing by. You can catch a bullet there simply because of the bad mood of the inspectors. And then - the front, with all the consequences. Ukraine has long turned into a trap, tightly shut for everyone who is in it. And to say that at least some, even if relatively mass, movement towards a “new Ukraine” is possible from it, if such a thing arises, these are beautiful-hearted dreams.

In conclusion, I would like to say one more thing. About the most important thing. And about the most unpleasant. "Pro-Russian Ukraine" without a doubt should have been created in the same Kharkov in the spring and summer of 2014 (then its leadership would be 100% legitimate, and not the gang that settled in Kyiv). It could have been done in March-April of this year in the same Kherson or, again, Kharkov, if he really had been released. But now... After all the "gestures of good will" and the abandonment of the liberated territories? After Bucha, Raisins, the same Kherson? After statements made in the Kremlin from time to time that “the goal of the SVO is not a change of power in Ukraine”? The creation of a "new Ukraine" is a wonderful undertaking. But now, forgive me generously, no one will believe in him. Just do not believe, even cry. The most pro-Russian of the pro-Russian Ukrainians today are busy surviving and improving their mimicry skills. Yes, yes, they chirp merrily in “Move” as soon as they cross the threshold of their own house - for they are not at all eager to get acquainted with the cellars of the Ukrogestapo. They, you know, have not yet lost hope for liberation, but they really want to live to see it come true. "New Ukraine" will exist exclusively in their hearts exactly until the moment when the Armed Forces of Ukraine are defeated on the battlefield and the villainous gang of the killer clown is removed from power once and for all.
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  1. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
    Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 3 December 2022 09: 59
    +7
    A rare article with which one can agree one hundred percent, there is nothing to even dispute. It should also be recognized that defeating the Armed Forces of Ukraine and taking Kyiv, behind which the entire potential of NATO is also not realistic. This is a bitter truth for the Kremlin, and I suspect that the Kremlin understands this.
    I doubt that the Kremlin will ever admit its mistakes in the Ukrainian direction.
    The West is well aware of the trap that the Russian Federation has fallen into. Thus, it is possible with a crooked face, but to declare that the goal of the NWO - the protection of the Donbass has been achieved and there is even a small bonus in the form of a land bridge to the Crimea.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 3 December 2022 13: 16
      -3
      Also agree one hundred percent. And if there is a "bridge" to the proposal of Donbass, if Russia proposes it and there is no consent, then Russia's response should be extremely harsh, up to the threat of a nuclear strike. Many will immediately stigmatize me: destroyed cities, the death of civilians, world public opinion, the next sanctions. However: what about a long war with hundreds of thousands of victims and the decline of the Russian economy? Better? Moreover, the victims from Russia in the event of a long war will be significantly greater than in a nuclear war with Ukraine.
      1. Petr Sladek Offline Petr Sladek
        Petr Sladek (Petr Sladek) 3 December 2022 15: 54
        -2
        Těšíte se na jaderný ohňostroj a zničení civilizace?
        1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
          Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 6 December 2022 23: 02
          0
          Why do the Czechs want to join NATO in a nuclear war for Ukraine with their semi-fascist regime?
    2. Carmela Offline Carmela
      Carmela (Carmela) 3 December 2022 14: 14
      0
      Somehow you seem pessimistic. I would like to hope for the best.
      1. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
        lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 4 December 2022 14: 22
        +1
        Pessimistic, but quite realistic.
    3. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 3 December 2022 16: 51
      -1
      (Vlad Srs) You no longer see the latest events, and therefore panic moods. The strategic shutdown of energy and transport, the main industries is catastrophic for the state, especially megacities with high-rise buildings. Then there is the collapse of Ukrainian statehood and attempts to survive, which has already begun .. Here the Ukrainian Nazis have a headache, how to survive the winter and stay in power. Strategically, the Russian Federation has already won, it remains to put the squeeze on completely.
      According to the article, they don’t notice the main thing, there is no complete vision of the future created for the new Ukraine, and therefore there are no people who have joined this new Ukraine, because it’s scary to go into the unknown. As they did (under I.V. Stalin, when creating a new statehood), the first thing was programs and governments. After that, under the promulgated goals and their leaders, followers gather and a new statehood is built. Today there is absolutely no such thing, a vacuum. So what are Ukrainian volunteers when nothing is clear. Yes, and in the Russian Federation there is a vacuum of ideas and a vision of the future - promises by unfulfilled promises do not count. How not to remember: "The ideas that have taken possession of the masses become an invincible force." According to Kyiv, it will soon become a city empty in chaos, so it makes no sense to occupy any other center as a temporary capital until everything in Kyiv is streamlined. Yes, it’s correct in the article, as in V. Vysotsky’s: “There are few real violent ones, so there are no leaders.” (in our text "violent" - not crazy, - active)
      1. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
        lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 4 December 2022 14: 27
        +1
        Do you think that after the destruction of the Ukrainian infrastructure, we will have many more friends in Ukraine? Doubtful something.
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 4 December 2022 20: 57
          0
          (Lemeshkin) Ukraine is already an enemy of Russia for a long time after the NWO, therefore it will not change anything, only the NWO will end faster.
    4. Smilodon terribilis nimis 3 December 2022 21: 19
      0
      Where do firewood about 100 come from in Russia? Given our small numbers with such losses, we would already be in the Oryol region. You turn the wheel there.
    5. Smilodon terribilis nimis 3 December 2022 21: 20
      0
      Will not work. To achieve at least the minimum goal, you need to take the regional center of Zaporozhye. Without him, this company will be eternal.
  2. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 3 December 2022 10: 13
    +10
    What else is there hmm .. Ukraine. This toxic project must be shut down completely. Definitively and irrevocably, once and for all. No options. Otherwise .. everything will happen again sooner or later.
    1. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
      Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 3 December 2022 12: 44
      0
      are you writing this from a trench? otherwise it turns out beautifully ... you do it there, and I'll slap you here
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  3. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 3 December 2022 10: 37
    -6
    Completely agree with the article!
    With a title, no.
    The Right Bank should simply become part of Russia.
    And Kyiv, sadly, but most likely, according to various kinds of agreements, will remain the center of Bandera Ukraine.
    Changing it won't work. These are dreams of nothing.
    And there, let the Ukrainians themselves decide how to live now.
    No right side.

    Yes, the situation would be different if the Ukrainians had a leader, an anti-Nazi.
    But he is not. And all these bloggers are just a talking shop.

    But the most annoying. that plans are plans, and Zelensky is still winning.
    Both informationally and on the ground, and through deals and through the refusal of elections, putting the Kremlin in a stupid position and crossing all possible red lines and getting almost nothing in return.

    Zelya goes all the way to the coronation, the Kremlin makes him a hero.
    Poroshenko's mistakes and retreat are not his mistakes, he took Kherson like two fingers on the asphalt.
    And he also controls or will control the narrow land isthmus under Russia.
    Turn over and Putin is the loser, because he cannot liberate Russian territory.

    As hoped for Surovikin.
    General Armageddon turned into General Kherson.
    1. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
      Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 3 December 2022 12: 38
      +9
      maybe you shouldn't confuse the left bank with the right bank? the right bank is Cherkasy, Kirovograd, Kyiv ... and the left bank is Zaporozhye, Kharkov ... the banks of the river depend on the direction of the flow, if anything, and not on the angle from which you look at these banks.

      about it will not work to redo ... or maybe you don’t need to redo it? maybe you need to give people an image of an attractive future, and not stick around in the annals of the 18th century and live by the concepts of Sergius of Radonezh ??? you see, then people will be drawn to you ... maybe these fables about braces, ancestors and other Solzhenitsyn-Ilyinsky nonsense will be enough ??? painting rockets under Khokhloma and christening them before the flight is such an idea for the future ... it's okay that Kyiv girls want lace panties, no ... only these "panties" should be for everyone ... and not so that gerbils flaunt in expensive outfits, and according to official data, there are 20 million beggars in the country ... nature and great ancestors gave Russia EVERYTHING to be a rich and prosperous country for everyone, and not for a handful of sambo wrestlers and from the Ozera cooperative. then such a model will be of interest to the residents of Cherkasy, and Vinnitsa, and maybe Lviv
      1. sap Offline sap
        sap (Alex) 3 December 2022 12: 57
        +4
        "panties" should be for everyone ... and not so that gerbils flaunt in expensive outfits, and according to official data, there are 20 million beggars in the country ...

        That's for it sincerely upvoted. The rest is subject to discussion.
      2. Hiker Offline Hiker
        Hiker (Dmitriy) 3 December 2022 13: 04
        -3
        Yes, I was generally against SVO. A bad peace is better than war and crippled destinies. Donbass - suffered - certainly, but multiplying suffering is not an option. And there were no more Nazis in all of Ukraine than there were drug addicts in Moscow. But if you started a war, then you need to fight, and not fool people. Putin needs a deal on NATO and he is prolonging the war artificially. That is why Donetsk is still being shelled. therefore, the great standing of a half-million army and tactical losses.
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 3 December 2022 15: 01
          +1
          Quote from Hiker
          A bad peace is better than war and crippled destinies. Donbass - suffered - certainly, but multiplying suffering is not an option.

          Those. let people die in the Donbass, if everything is calm with you?
          1. Nelton Offline Nelton
            Nelton (Oleg) 3 December 2022 16: 25
            +1
            Quote: guest
            Those. let people die in the Donbass, if everything is calm with you?

            It was necessary to evacuate 20 km of the frontline zone from the LDNR, turning these 20 km into a continuous fortified area
            1. guest Offline guest
              guest 3 December 2022 17: 07
              0
              Quote from Nelton.
              evacuate 20 km frontline zone

              Donetsk means it was necessary to pass?
              1. Nelton Offline Nelton
                Nelton (Oleg) 3 December 2022 18: 25
                0
                Not to surrender, but to make it an impregnable fortress.
                But civilians - yes, to the rear.
      3. Andrey Gladkikh Offline Andrey Gladkikh
        Andrey Gladkikh (Andrey Gladkikh) 3 December 2022 13: 22
        +2
        ... the banks of the river depend on the cardinal points, if anything, and not on the angle from which you look at these banks

        The banks of the river do not depend on the cardinal points, but on the direction of the river flow: being in a boat in the middle of the river and looking in the direction where the current goes, the right bank will be on the right, and the left bank, respectively, on the left. For a river flowing south, the left bank will be in the east, and for a river flowing north, the left bank will be in the west.
      4. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
        Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 14 December 2022 23: 28
        0
        Though! Russian and Ukrainian nonsense are very different. Not only that: Ukrainian nonsense also instills hatred for Russia, especially since the time of Yushchenko. In addition, Ukraine, wanting to get lace panties, was going to join the EU and, accordingly, NATO, believing that the US base in Sevastopol would please Russia, as well as NATO missiles, somewhere near Kharkov. And now they say to the population of Ukraine: "What's wrong with us?" We are white and fluffy. And Donbass! And why not allow the population of Donbass to speak and teach children in Russian. Isn't that democratic? No, in Ukraine they decided that democracy is to shoot and suppress the Donbass.
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 3 December 2022 14: 46
      +1
      Quote from Hiker
      The Right Bank should simply become part of Russia.

      The right bank is just western Ukraine.
    3. Smilodon terribilis nimis 3 December 2022 21: 23
      +1
      Didn't Armageddon talk about tough decisions right away?
    4. mimocodil Offline mimocodil
      mimocodil (Mimicrocodil) 3 December 2022 22: 02
      -1
      You should improve grammar and geography (or better, learn it). And then it would be possible to take on analyzes of the situation and advice to the country's leadership
    5. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
      lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 4 December 2022 14: 33
      0
      The Right Bank should simply become part of Russia.

      Maybe we are talking about the Left Bank? And it hardly owes us anything after these destructions.
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 3 December 2022 11: 08
    -2
    You know, now I understand that Stalin made a serious mistake. Shed so much of our blood in Europe and at the same time leave these states independent. Where our blood was shed, there should be no states-except Russia!! Therefore, there is no need to look for any Ukrainian personnel.
    1. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
      Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 3 December 2022 12: 33
      -3
      well, at least the great Putin does not make mistakes and does not give up the place where our blood was shed ...

      do you really think that it was possible to create a single state from a mixture of all these Hungarians, Poles, Czechoslovaks, Yugoslavs, Austrians, Bulgarians, Romanians and Germans??? RI somehow coped with the stub of Poland, the USSR drove the forest brothers and Bandera for a decade and a half through the forests ... and you want to shove the short-lived Horthists and other Ustashe into one country ???
      1. sap Offline sap
        sap (Alex) 3 December 2022 13: 29
        +1
        well, at least the great Putin does not make mistakes and does not give up the place where our blood was shed ...

        Plused furiously!

        The USSR drove the forest brothers and Bandera for a decade and a half through the forests

        Regarding that, I must tell you how they managed to do it all the same. My classmate's father at that time was an NKVD officer and a friend at his father's place of service lived in Lithuania. So, they toiled for a long time, admonishing with various promises and amnesties, but banditry continued and then they took drastic measures, through informants they found out the forest brothers, established secret surveillance and, having identified the base, destroyed it to the root without any prisoners. Accomplices and family members who provided the gang with food and information were also sentenced to various types of punishment from exile to execution. children were given to relatives, for adoption by childless families in Russia or in orphanages. Those caught in the city were simply put against the wall and, in front of the eyes of the townsfolk, they were shot where they were tied. In Vilnius, this lasted no more than a week, then everything stopped.
        So our state is not small, there would be a place for all the "Ustashe".
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      2. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
        lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 4 December 2022 14: 35
        +1
        well, at least the great Putin does not make mistakes and does not give up the place where our blood was shed.

        Yah?
    2. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 3 December 2022 13: 29
      +3
      Until Gorbachev, the countries of the Warsaw Pact were dependent on the USSR, and this was right for the USSR, although unfair for the peoples of these countries. Look at the USA: the west except the UK is controlled by him. This is also unfair, but in the interests of the United States. Justice in politics does not exist - it's just liberal nonsense.
      1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 3 December 2022 21: 26
        +1
        Naglia is also controlled. And even more so.
      2. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
        lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 4 December 2022 14: 39
        -1
        Control control strife. Look, for example, at how people live in Finland and how much teachers earn there, not to mention doctors. What do we have? Also, Korea is worth a look. Would you like to live in the North?
    3. rish Offline rish
      rish (Rish) 5 December 2022 00: 45
      0
      You think in the right direction, so you will soon understand that Stalin did not win the war alone, for this a lot of things had to be agreed and a lot to give in.
  5. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 3 December 2022 11: 14
    +1
    Thanks to the author for the article! She is respectful to opponents, informative and bitterly truthful. Indeed, it would be naïve to count on even a stable resistance movement in the unliberated regions, let alone a liberation army. Its creation, if it happens, will look like an artificial formation of the type of the popular front that currently exists in the Russian Federation, with all due respect to its good deeds. This is partly why, I think, formations in the form of people's militia of the LPR and DPR are not disbanded, despite becoming part of Russia. In fact, this is the liberation army in fact. What for still something organizational to fence?
    Give it time, and Yanych and Azarov will still come in handy, the fight against US dominance has just begun, and what will happen to Ukraine in the near future is not important from the point of view of geopolitics, we will decide on a more convenient device when NATO will be forced to pull its knees into space until May 1997.
    PS. I would like to add, as the great Putin bequeathed, but it is still premature))
  6. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 3 December 2022 11: 47
    +1
    The goal of the SVO was originally set as the task of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine, which meant the overthrow of the power of the nationalists and the elimination of the military threat to NATO emanating from its territory.
  7. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
    Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 3 December 2022 12: 29
    +5
    unfortunately the author is absolutely right. Thank you for the article. and how terribly discordant it is with all those squeals of the uryapatriots and the squeaks of their idols ... how disgusting at heart from everything that is happening ... the Russian Federation had all the trump cards in its hands ... but for a long state Putin manages to lose with aces and kings against sixes and sevens ... before creating Ukraine from Anti-Russia, it would be nice for us to recreate Russia ourselves. not what is happening now
  8. sap Offline sap
    sap (Alex) 3 December 2022 12: 48
    +1
    Why there will be no "new Ukraine" before the capture of Kyiv

    The title itself contains an oxymoron.
    Well, there cannot be a normally sane society on the territory of LITTLE RUSSIA, and it is precisely this name that has the right to exist by the right of its originality. And until the term UKRAINE acquires the etymologically pure primordial meaning of the outskirts of some geographical essence and ceases to be used as an ethno-political one, until then the petty-bourgeois environment of this very outskirts will quite naturally give rise to an inferiority complex of snuffed out provincial French intelligentsia and generate (generate) new types of fronde against the center. The roots of the emerging discontent were nourished by the first shoots of the future apologists for nationalism Grushevsky and Co., and could not but lead to its growth. Quantity over time simply grew into quality, which became Ukronazism.
    From here, it is quite logical that a completely natural decision is asked to be put on the agenda. ALL, without exception, Little Russia within the borders of 1990, to be included in the Russian Federation as a federal district, while maintaining the administrative division into regions. If at least one hectare of territory is given to another state, regardless of whether it has a population or even without it, everything will eventually go in a circle and eventually lead to the same. A holy place is never empty, and this hectare will be populated by those who have ever left, and I repeat everything will go around the next circle, no matter how much it is denationalized, etc., etc., which, in fact, in the second paragraph, the author quite rightly states:

    ... no creation of a “new pro-Russian Ukraine, which is Anti-Ukraine for the current one”, alas, is now completely impossible. And it will not become a reality until the complete defeat and overthrow of the current Kyiv regime.

    The rest of the text in the paradigm of the above, with all its particular correct statements, in general, becomes meaningless speculation about nothing. Precisely because all reasoning revolves around the term o(u)kraina in the already ethno-political understanding of the object of analysis. Only in the application of the concept (in all necessary senses) Little Russia, is it possible to further talk about all aspects of the problems associated with this.
    1. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
      Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 3 December 2022 13: 14
      -6
      Nu nu, do you want to make war in order to destroy Ukraine and the Ukrainian people as such? Well, how are you different from the one with the characteristic mustache?
  9. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 3 December 2022 13: 23
    +1
    An article about the fact that it makes no sense to take Kyiv, because "everything is gone."
    You can see if there is anyone to put there.
    From what did the author intend to create anti-Ukraine?
    From the Kharkiv region, Kherson, Zaporozhye?
    If the last two are already part of the Russian Federation, then an exception was supposed to be made for Kharkov?
    Obviously - no. From what then? There is no answer, but there is a negatively assessed result of the capture of Kyiv in advance, with a simultaneous call to take it, however, only in the headline, designed to affirm in the mind of the reader the need for this capture.
    Neuro-Linguistic Programming is what it's called.
    like: "You'll have to take it, but it's a loss."
    There is no need to go to Kyiv, it is enough to cut it off from the western regions, and it will change itself. If you take it with fights, then this is definitely a divorce forever, and a "government in exile". In the same Lviv, for example.
    1. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
      Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 3 December 2022 13: 47
      0
      A strike along the western border is no longer possible. Firstly, there is no strength for this, but even if there were, this is an escalation with unpredictable consequences. In February maybe yes, now no. Today, the Russian Federation has a small window of opportunity on the left bank, but it will collapse by the end of the 23rd.
      1. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 3 December 2022 14: 47
        +3
        A strike along the western border is not needed. It is necessary to break through from the north to Lutsk - Vinnitsa, and along Transnistria to Odessa.
        There is no strength for this yet, maybe. accumulate by February.
        1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 3 December 2022 21: 28
          0
          It made sense before leaving Kherson. Now it is better to strike with two armies from the north along the Dnieper and Zaporozhye, cutting off the left-bank grouping from Kyiv.
          1. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 3 December 2022 21: 59
            0
            There is a large concentration of forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, just in case.
  10. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 3 December 2022 13: 40
    +1
    Idealistic perception of power.
    from there and all the brainwashing of the "new Ukraine"

    But in reality, power is the mouthpiece of the oligarchy. And the Ukrainian oligarchy does not want to give their property to the Russian one.
    Banks, land, factories, quarries, logistics and taxable population. To cooperate - yes, so far with the topic of enterprises of Russian oligarchs there - neither, closed ...
    To give - for example, their careers to Uralkali - no.
    Therefore, the "new Ukraine" is Ukraine not under the Ukrainian oligarchs, but under the Russian ones. Potanin, Usmanov, Vekselberg, Prokhorov, Timchenko, etc.
    Accordingly, the power is completely new. EDRO and period. What we see in the LDNR.

    This is understood by the active deputy administration - like the recently deceased - all sorts of strange bloggers, no weight, no power, no connections. Switchmen.
    And the real power is in the shadows and you can’t hear or see it ... if anything, polite people without insignia will come and change it right before your eyes ....

    Well, to leave for "Russia" .... How much did you go back and forth, for example, in WW1? I don’t remember .. only diplomatic sealed cars. (gas, oil, Abramovich intermediaries according to the modern)
  11. guest Offline guest
    guest 3 December 2022 14: 51
    +2
    There should simply be no Ukraine, neither new nor old. This anti-Russian pseudo-state must disappear.
  12. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 3 December 2022 15: 52
    +5
    the author very intelligibly and seems to truthfully explained the current situation on the outskirts, the only thing that can be corrected is that while Putin is in power, it’s not worth waiting for the liberation of the outskirts from the Nazis, he is inherently not a winner, he is a waiting man
  13. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 3 December 2022 16: 05
    +1
    I liked the article. Facts, arguments, conclusions - everything is super. But, there is a small nuance. I propose to consider the creation of anti-Ukraine consistently in individual areas. You can start from the Cherkasy region. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, with a throw from Belarus, cut off the region from Ukraine and ..... the inhabitants establish their power. Without light, without the help of the West, in exactly six months, crests will change their minds - they will begin to hate the Kyiv authorities.
  14. mechanic Offline mechanic
    mechanic (Yuri) 3 December 2022 16: 53
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    Until 2014, the people of Ukraine chose either a more or less pro-Russian president, or a pro-Western one. That is, Ukrainian society hesitated, and then, with the smart action of GDP, it was carefully possible to rebuild Ukraine in a pro-Russian way.
    Everyone has probably already forgotten why the Maidan began, which became anti-Russian?
    Yanukovych went to the West to sign an association agreement with the EU, and GDP promised to give him 14 billion loans to stop him.
    Yanukovych refused to sign the association and the Maidan began.
    So who provoked the Maidan?
    And if it was smart to act, then let them sign this association, - dozens of countries live for decades with a signed association and do not accept anyone in any EU.
    The Maidan would not have happened, the crests would have been happy, like children, with the association with the EU, and a year later they would have understood that the EU had thrown them.
    At that time, it was possible for Russia to start acting actively, gradually tightening the screws on Ukraine: gas prices, fuel prices, etc. keep your people in power.
    I repeat that at that time it was still possible to make Ukraine pro-Russian, if everything was done in a smart way.
    Now, after so many victims, it is absolutely impossible.
    Even if we carry out a general mobilization, put tens of thousands on both sides, take Kyiv, change the government there.
    All the same, no resources will be enough to keep it, at the slightest weakness it will be demolished and an anti-Russian government will be installed.
    Too many mistakes have been made and time is now hopelessly lost.
    It will be possible to return to this issue in 50 years, not earlier ...
    1. sap Offline sap
      sap (Alex) 3 December 2022 19: 17
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      Maidan would not have happened, crests would have rejoiced like children

      Santa Simplicitas!
    2. Smilodon terribilis nimis 3 December 2022 21: 30
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      Yes, there would be Maidan in any way. We must understand and accept this. In any case, no adequate people will destroy their country for the sake of some kind of union.
  15. Dmitry Paly Offline Dmitry Paly
    Dmitry Paly (Dmitry Paly) 3 December 2022 18: 22
    +1
    Defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine is more than real. Even taking into account all the current layouts. Look at the map of Ukraine. See? Western Ukraine is separated from the central one by two regions: Vinnitsa and Zhytomyr. Is the hint clear?) No? Everything is simpler than a steamed turnip. Destroy ALL bridge crossings in these areas and begin to starve the APU. If necessary - with the use of tactical nuclear weapons. I agree, for this you need to take off your rose-colored glasses, stop having any illusions that everything will work out, etc. And we need to start fighting in earnest. But if we want to fight without nuclear weapons, to fight with one hand - we have not only few chances, they are NOT.
    The sooner we admit the obvious, the fewer people will die.
  16. mechanic Offline mechanic
    mechanic (Yuri) 3 December 2022 19: 24
    -4
    Quote: Dmitry Paly
    Defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine is more than real. Even taking into account all the current layouts. Look at the map of Ukraine. See? Western Ukraine is separated from the central one by two regions: Vinnitsa and Zhytomyr. Is the hint clear?) No? Everything is simpler than a steamed turnip. Destroy ALL bridge crossings in these areas and begin to starve the APU. If necessary - with the use of tactical nuclear weapons. I agree, for this you need to take off your rose-colored glasses, stop having any illusions that everything will work out, etc. And we need to start fighting in earnest. But if we want to fight without nuclear weapons, to fight with one hand - we have not only few chances, they are NOT.
    The sooner we admit the obvious, the fewer people will die.

    The main problem is that nuclear weapons will not help either - it will alienate the last "friends".
    China, Turkey, India, and the rest will recoil from Russia as from a leper.
    There is no need to exaggerate the possibilities of one country against the whole world.
    The country will be in complete political and economic isolation.
    It will be imposed like North Korea and we will live accordingly ..
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 3 December 2022 19: 27
      +2
      Quote: Mechanic
      it will push away the last "friends".
      China, Turkey, India

      Turkey since when friend?
  17. mechanic Offline mechanic
    mechanic (Yuri) 3 December 2022 19: 33
    0
    Quote: guest
    Quote: Mechanic
    it will push away the last "friends".
    China, Turkey, India

    Turkey since when friend?

    Quote: guest
    Quote: Mechanic
    it will push away the last "friends".
    China, Turkey, India

    Turkey since when friend?

    And you ask the GDP, with whom does he constantly meet?
    For me, China is not our friend and all the near abroad like Kazakhstan.
    Then it turns out that we don't have any friends either in quotes or without quotes.
    And how far will we go?
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 3 December 2022 19: 37
      +1
      Quote: Mechanic
      And you ask the GDP, with whom does he constantly meet?

      Well, Putin has met a lot of people, even Biden and Zelensky, but this does not make them friends.
  18. mechanic Offline mechanic
    mechanic (Yuri) 3 December 2022 19: 40
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    Quote: guest
    Quote: Mechanic
    And you ask the GDP, with whom does he constantly meet?

    Well, Pitin met a lot of people, even Biden and Zelensky, but that doesn’t make them friends.

    Well, then you decide how to define "friends" of Russia.
    Those whom the GDP indicated?
    Or are there other criteria?
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 3 December 2022 19: 51
      +2
      Determining who is a friend is quite difficult, but determining who is not is much easier. A country that supplies weapons to our enemies cannot be a friend.
  19. serivolkf1 Offline serivolkf1
    serivolkf1 (sergey wolf) 3 December 2022 19: 57
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    The most pro-Russian of the pro-Russian Ukrainians today are busy surviving and improving their mimicry skills. Yes, yes, they chirp merrily in “Move” as soon as they cross the threshold of their own house - for they are not at all eager to get acquainted with the cellars of the Ukrogestapo.

    - this suggests that not everything is lost and under certain circumstances it will be possible to achieve your goals ...
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  21. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
    Grei grin (Gray Grin) 3 December 2022 23: 49
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    Ukraine is then closed like a trap, and this is what the Kyiv junta needs, for Russia is like a passage yard, that's how it will start to burst simultaneously from all over the country, then the authorities will sing Lazarus! Who, during the war, lets in so many migrants, among which more than half are motivated saboteurs and spies, try to distinguish a Russian from a Ukrainian!
  22. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 4 December 2022 06: 59
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    Correctly written. The impotence of our political authorities in 2014 backfired in 2022. But what beautiful statements they make. Eh, eh, eh. Kyiv must be liberated, but this government is not ready. They are accustomed to arrange only agreements with different lessons.
  23. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 4 December 2022 13: 16
    +1
    And here the capture or not the capture of Kyiv, if the authorities of the Russian Federation do not have a Decision on Ukraine.
    In Ukraine, there is a capitalist war for profit, for the market, for property, for land, for the preservation of what the oligarchs have stolen. This whole war is presented to the people in a golden wrapper, like a people's war, for truth, for justice. The issue with Ukraine has two solutions.
    First, the Russian Federation capitulates, the state of Ukraine remains, within any borders, Ukraine is an enemy of Russia, a NATO state, a springboard for the destruction of the Russian state. NATO will constantly conduct military operations with the Russian Federation, through the territory of Ukraine.
    Second. Liquidation of Ukraine as a state. The whole, I draw your attention, the whole territory of Ukraine is part of Russia, in the form of regions and republics. There will be victory only if the Russian authorities declare that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia.
    All other reflections and compromises are from the evil one. NATO confronted us with a fact, slavery or freedom. Delaying the Ukraine Decision is to the benefit of NATO and the oligarchs.
  24. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 5 December 2022 15: 27
    +1
    Return yours. Let Poland, Romania, Hungary also take yours. The rest is rubbish ...
  25. anti-aircraft gunner 8 December 2022 13: 50
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    Regarding the tsar to the throne of the new Ukraine, they brought, pardon the pun, Tsarev. But when they realized that Kyiv would not surrender in 3 days, he was quickly taken out from near Kyiv to a safer place. But I am a supporter of the complete closure of the Ukraine project and I agree with many. Divide the western part between Poles, Slovaks, Hungarians and Romanians. They will quickly knock out all the Nazi Bandera nonsense from the locals. The rest - approximately from the Zhytomyr region - into Russia. Give all Ukrainians a month to voluntarily leave for the West. Russify the rest. The only way. Or we will fight for 100 years. On your own on the left bank of the Dnieper.