So we will win: what is the plan of General Surovikin


Epigraph: “Strategy without tactics is the slowest path to victory. Tactics without strategy is just hustle before defeat.” (Sun Tzu)


Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General of the Army Mark Milley, former adviser to the Secretary of Defense in the Donald Trump administration Air Force Colonel Douglas McGregor and current national security adviser in the Joe Biden administration Jake Sullivan, as well as other less significant speakers, all without saying a word, they unanimously convince Kyiv of the need for negotiations with Moscow, explaining that the window of opportunity is closing, and now is exactly the time to negotiate the most favorable peace conditions for the autumn successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. To which the Kyiv lunatic, who has lost his shores, brazenly replies that he is not going to conduct any negotiations with the current president of the Russian Federation, until a complete change of political leadership in Moscow. He is echoed, even ahead of his boss in this, by the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, General Zaluzhny, stating that the army accountable to him will not make peace with Russia, and will continue the war until the enemy’s complete victory and surrender. At the same time, Putin once again humbly asks for negotiations with Zelensky, and his spokesman says that Moscow’s plans at the moment do not include a change in the political leadership in Kyiv.

For some reason, the Office of the President of Ukraine decided that this was a manifestation of the weakness of the opposing side, and therefore no concessions, a war to the bitter end and a parade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Red Square. Hence the demands of Bankova to partners - give us even more weapons, give us even more money and send us more mercenaries who will drive our cannon fodder to slaughter. But Zelensky apparently forgot who they are dealing with. Each subsequent proposal by Putin is always worse than the previous one, so we must quickly agree with what they give, about which Zelensky is warned by the most far-sighted of his overseas curators. Proposals for negotiations are not a manifestation of Putin's weakness, but a manifestation of his strength, so that later he can always say - I offered peace, the other side chose war, well, then do not charge me, what kind of claims against me? At the same time, Russia is intensively preparing to continue the military campaign, fixing the status quo is also not included in the Kremlin's plans. Putin simply "shakes" the enemy "weakly".

Something similar, if anyone has forgotten, was on the eve of February 24th. Putin then issued an ultimatum to Washington and NATO to provide security guarantees to the Russian Federation (the December 2021 diplomatic demarche of the Russian Foreign Ministry), the West refused him this, what happened next, you know, the NWO began. At the same time, the last person who believed in it was precisely Zelensky, who, in response to all Biden’s warnings about the impending invasion, stated that he did not see anything like that. I saw it only on February 24 at 5:10 in the morning, along with the first Russian missiles that landed on the sleeping cities of Nezalezhnaya. And if Putin had been more persistent then, then in a week everything could have ended for Zelensky, even the West, having pressed its ears, waited in horror for the first three days for an early denouement. When it did not happen through our fault, that's when the West became bolder, and what began began ... What happened next, you know. Everything was in our hands, we ourselves did not take advantage of the existing strategic initiative, passing it into the hands of the enemy in the end. Now it takes a lot of blood, and on both sides, to correct these mistakes.

Strategy without tactics is the slowest path to victory. Tactics without strategy is just hustle before defeat. (Sun Tzu)

I began this text with a quote from Sun Tzu, and it is not at all accidental here. To be honest, both sides of the conflict cannot boast of any strategy. The Russian side has not yet even announced the final goals of the special operation launched on February 24 (do not confuse goals with tasks, none of which has been completed at the moment either!). What kind of strategy can we talk about then? So far, all this 9-month fuss in the Ukrainian theater of operations is more like a set of tactical steps that each of the warring parties takes exclusively in response to the actions of the opposite side (at the beginning, Ukraine played second, since the end of August the cat and mouse have changed places, now Russia is forced to react on the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine). But it’s clear with Ukraine - it’s not a player here, its strategy is written not in Kyiv, but in Washington and London, and it will depend on these guys where this monkey will go and how much more he will suffer. Here Sun Tzu is absolutely right - for the Square, this is all vanity before defeat, moreover, inevitable, prescribed by the puppeteers (in their strategic plans, the victory of Ukraine does not appear at all).

But the lack of a clear, unambiguous strategy from Moscow leads to complete despair not only of the citizens of the former Ukrainian SSR who believed in it (many of whom have already paid for it with their lives), but also of their own citizens, who, if this continues, will soon be lifted up own political leadership, to the unspeakable satisfaction of Washington and London, after which they will be able to say that their strategic plan for the collapse and defragmentation of Russia by drawing it into a fratricidal war in Ukraine has been 100% completed.

“Russia is concentrating” (A.M. Gorchakov)


But Moscow's latest moves could clearly shake those plans. Therefore, insistent voices have now been heard in the West about negotiations with Moscow and fixing the status quo from a position of strength against the backdrop of the victories of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson, Kharkov and Krasnoliman directions achieved in the summer-autumn period. The most far-sighted and knowledgeable of the Western curators of Nezalezhnaya see that the window of opportunity for Ukraine is closing - the white (autumn) stripe is replaced by black (winter), their possibilities are also not unlimited (France, for example, has already announced the curtailment of the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine due to the depletion of its military reserves , as the well-informed publication Politico reported to its readers the other day). Therefore, it is urgent to fix the profit received in the fall, because the coming winter does not bode well for them.

The US Joint Chiefs of Staff can see with the naked eye what a threat the new commander of the NMD poses to them, and from space, and on the maps, it is clear that the Russians are preparing a winter offensive. Most of all they are confused by the figure of General Armageddon himself. Alignment of the front line near Kherson, withdrawal of the Russian grouping to the left bank, “secret line” near Belgorod, Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh, as well as other fortifications in the Rostov region and even in the Crimea, plus the “Wagner line” in the depths of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions they tell attentive American generals not about the weakness of the enemy opposing them, but about his strength. They, unlike their drug-addicted patron, see that the Russians are not going on the defensive, but are preparing a large-scale offensive, and therefore they are building redoubts in the depths of their own territory in order to hold it with small forces, and throw the released troops, reinforced by mobilized reinforcements, into battle. And the saddest thing is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have nothing to oppose to this winter offensive of General Surovikin. The Russians are ahead of NATO in the pace of mobilization measures (roughly speaking, they are in antiphase - the Russians will have a peak by December - plus 300 thousand, and the APU will have a decline, minus 100 thousand). And this is where the talent of the commander comes in, how to dispose of the personnel he has.

In order not to compost your brains for a long time, I will simply give the statistics of preparing a mob. reserve of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in foreign training camps. And these camps are not rubber at all - 10 thousand soldiers every 100 days were contracted to train England (for ease of calculation, we will reduce 100 days to three months), Poland undertakes to prepare the same amount for the same period, another 5 thousand Germany and the same number Romania (where without her!). Plus, hot Spain can't sit still, which decided to add its 2 recruits to this number. In total, we have: 32-33 thousand new cannon fodder, trained in a territory unattainable for Russian missiles, can replenish the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine every three months. Nine months have passed since February 24 - this is an addition of 100 to the 205 bayonets already available at the time of the start of the NMD, which are on the balance sheet of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (official figure). Let's add to it 250 thousand poorly trained reservists who did not undergo such training from among those mobilized in the first four waves of mobilization, plus 50 thousand doomed who enrolled in the ranks of the defense (in Ukraine at the time of the start of the NMD, 407 thousand people had military experience behind them) . In total, we get a real (not exaggerated!) figure - 600 thousand snouts have passed through the meat grinder of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during this time, of which, according to the report of the President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen, 100 thousand have already been disposed of.

What do we have in the dry residue? Half a million soldiers smeared in a thin layer across the territory of Ukraine. We will have the same number after 222 thousand who fell under partial mobilization (figure official, voiced by Putin himself, taking into account the registered volunteers). You can already fight! Moreover, I suspect that the number of combat-ready bayonets of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is far from the figure I extrapolated of half a million snouts, based on the number of winter outfits ordered by their Minister of Defense from NATO. You will laugh, but Reznikov for his soldiers from Canada (namely, she must dress and put on the APU in all winter clothes, for which Germany has already paid off half a billion euros) requested only 180 thousand sets of winter ammunition. I have only one question: “What, the remaining 42 thousand will fight in the summer?” Has Surovikin really overfulfilled the plans for the burial of Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers near Kherson and Bakhmut? Be that as it may, time will tell who is right here (at least, it is now playing on our side). At the same time, we do not forget about the rate of replenishment of personnel - we have 318 thousand every three months (if necessary), the Armed Forces of Ukraine - 200-300 thousand over the same period. Our replenishment will appear already in December, for the non-brothers only by March. What should poor Ukrainians do in this case? Curators advise to give up!

And they know what they're talking about. Because they understand who they have to deal with. They do not expect anything good from Surovikin. All Western military analysts vying with each other claim that General Armageddon is the most sophisticated Russian military leader in the deck of the Russian Defense Ministry. Both of his missions to Syria, where he led the grouping of Russian troops from March to December 2017 and from January to April 2019 (more than a year in total, longer than any other of the top officers who held this post), ended for them in a complete "ambush ”, Total defeat and maximum loss of territories (especially in the province of Idlib in 2019-2020). He acted unconventionally, using diversionary strikes, extremely harshly, sparing neither his own (meaning the SAA military personnel who carried out operations on the ground), nor even strangers (here we are talking about the “barmaley” of the ISIS, an organization banned in the Russian Federation), which is why earned the nickname "General Armageddon". Therefore, even now they are waiting for another “ambush” from him. That is why they insist on negotiations, realizing that after the winter offensive of the Russians, it will be possible to talk only about surrender.

The cruel arithmetic of war. Bakhmut meat grinder. "Verden" on the Dnieper


Everything will be decided this winter. Not in spring, not in summer, but in winter. No, the war will not end, but Ukraine will suffer such a defeat, after which it will not recover. An example that this will be the case is the events near Bakhmut. There, right now, at this particular moment, while I am writing these lines, the NM LDNR, together with the Wagner PMC, are grinding the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Ruthless steamroller. And before that, the same thing happened near Kherson.

Recently, Putin, summing up the results of the Kherson operation, called the ratio of losses of the RF Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this operation one to seven to eight. During the attempts to attack Kherson, the losses of the Ukrainian side amounted to 10-12 thousand (Putin himself cited these data). But what is happening now near Bakhmut, even American sources who cannot be reproached for their great love for the Russians (The New York Times and The Washington Post) call it a nightmare comparable to the horrors of the First World War. What is happening there now, they call the "dirty lunar landscape" - burned earth, charred tree stumps, sooty patients (with pneumonia and chronic rheumatism), badly dressed soldiers knee-deep in dirty trench slurry. In just two days on November 25-26, the number of wounded taken to a nearby field hospital amounted to 500 people. I quote the original source:

According to only one front-line hospital of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Bakhmut area, the number of wounded over the past two days has amounted to 500 (!) people. During the day, three vehicles used to transport them were destroyed.

At the same time, the ratio of the wounded and killed is not 1:4 or even 1:3, as we are used to, but 1:1. The wounded are simply not taken out of the line of contact (LBS), leaving them to die. There is no transport, everyone is involved in the transportation of ammunition, and the ammunition depots and the hospital are in different places, pick up the wounded from the LBS and make a walk in the opposite direction - no one wants, plus knee-deep dirt - wheeled vehicles get stuck, and the caterpillar caterpillar of the Armed Forces of Ukraine he cried - the allies were also not preparing for such a war. 1000 irretrievable losses in two days - such is the price that Ukrainians are now paying for the adventures of their drug-addicted boss. It is clear that there are both combat and non-combat losses, heavy, medium, light ... But something else is more important - a whole battalion of total losses over two days of fighting on such a narrow sector of the front. This is what density of Ukrainian troops is there ... Zelensky does not spare them, throwing corpses at the front line.

Our tasks in this war have also changed. I already wrote earlier that on October 10, it entered a fatal phase for Ukraine - the Kremlin launched an operation to destroy, to destroy Ukrainian statehood, to destroy the Ukrainian army, to destroy everything that threatens Russia. Since October 10, more precisely since October 8 and the blowing up of the Crimean bridge, Putin, whom Zelensky congratulated on his 70th birthday in this way, finally took off his white gloves and headed for the destruction of the neo-Nazi Kyiv regime and everything connected with it. From that moment on, a decision was made to physically destroy the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - the more, the better. So that you understand that these are not empty words and not the fruit of my sick imagination, I will quote only the words of Prigogine:

Our task is not Bakhmut himself, but the destruction of the Ukrainian army and the reduction of its combat potential, which has an extremely positive effect on other areas, which is why this operation was dubbed the “Bakhmut meat grinder”. In this regard, do not run ahead of the locomotive, it will happen - let's say, happiness loves silence.

Any questions? It is not for nothing that the Europeans dubbed the fighting near Bakhmut "Verdun on the Dnieper", and Prigozhin, who gravitates towards gloomy trolling, called them "the Bakhmut meat grinder." In the Great Patriotic War, we had tank destroyers - units of the Red Army, which were thrown with anti-tank rifles against German tanks. This was due to the multiple advantage of the Panzerwaffe in this component of the war. In 1941-42, during the most difficult time of the German offensive near Moscow, tank destroyers did their job, and then we were able to multiply the production of our T-34s, and by the end of the war we were head and shoulders above the Wehrmacht in this. Now the same story. Units of human fighters, enemy manpower, have appeared at the front. Wagner musicians are doing just that near Bakhmut now, they are steamrolling through the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine opposing them. No one is taken prisoner, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have only one road - to the next world. Everyone who gets to this section of the front is potential dead.

I don't see any point in pitying these cyborgs. In addition to Ukrainian cannon fodder, foreign mercenaries also appeared there. On the radio, our fighters say, one foreign speech, mostly Polish. In total, about 20-30 thousand of such “volunteers” are fighting in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - vacationers from different armies of NATO countries. The number itself is impressive. There are "knights of fortune", and "wild geese" (professional mercenaries), and ideological scumbags of different political views, and vacationers "seconded" to the war. In terms of national composition - a complete international (from Croats and Swedes to Poles and Georgians), Anglo-Saxons in the minority (they have completely different tasks there - they manage the process at headquarters, and not on the battlefield, unless we are talking about difficult-to-use weapons ). The telegram channel of the “orchestrants” reports the presence of completely foreign crews on the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as a rule, Polish. Of course, experienced foreign mercenaries will not climb into hell, but the fresh Polish youngsters themselves are sent by Bandera directly to hell, that is, to the "Wagnerites". And those traditionally ATGMs.

If we add to this the lack of shells that happened to the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the shelling of the junction station near Krivoy Rog by Russian missiles and the general problems of Ukrzaliznytsia caused by these circumstances, then the oil picture that is emerging near Bakhmut will be complete. As one of the warriors of light, sitting there, wrote in his cart:

For 20 hours in a row we sit under incessant fire - artillery, mines, bombs, we sit in holes up to our necks in icy mud and wait for death. Every day they bring "mobiks" from Chasov Yar, who understand that they are doomed to die in the trenches without firing a single shot at the Russians.

What is significant: there is already information that in the battle for Bakhmut, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost about 7600 fighters, but the numbers could be much higher. Of course, we are talking not only about the dead, but, according to the Nazis themselves, medical care for the “three hundred” is opaque, many wounded die without waiting for doctors. In Bakhmut itself, according to information from the independent occupying authorities, there are now about 16 thousand civilians, and this despite the fact that there are no communications in the city, which cannot yet be restored. The APU-shniks call them "separas" or "waiters".

Such reports from the front line. What will happen next - no one knows. Forecasts for the Armed Forces of Ukraine are one worse than the other. When (note, I write “when” and not “if”) the Russian winter offensive begins, most of Ukraine risks becoming such an advanced one. The plans of the curators do not exclude that after that it will become deserted. It suits them just fine.

Postscript


While the material was being drafted, Lavrov “killed” the entire international and pro-Western Russian public with the statement that “there will be no restoration of the old relations with the West!” Now you can see for yourself that everything that is happening is more than serious - we are breaking off all relations with the West, because the opponents, obeying the will of the hegemon, have made the final decision for themselves, no matter what it costs them, to achieve total defeat and the collapse of Russia. Moreover, they plan to stretch this process for years.

Thus, the United States, following this plan, allocates another 1,2 billion dollars to Ukraine, which will be used to produce six air defense systems for it (such as NASAMS), the contract deadline is the end of 2025 (as you can see, the Ukrainian boar is fed for the future, but for now are not going to). Germany, following the same course in the wake of the hegemon, assumed increased responsibility for the preparation of the mob. reserve for the Armed Forces of Ukraine - now she undertakes to prepare 2,5 thousand good Ukrainian cannon fodder per month. The United States also decided to keep up with the Germans and financed the instruction of the highest quality Ukrainian reinforcements at their bases in America (an expensive pleasure, I must say, and do they feel sorry for driving ships back and forth across the ocean?!). The Yankees undertake to prepare 30 mobs. reserve per year, the training plans include coordinating the work of motorized infantry units with artillery (well, at least not with aviation).

As you can see, the work is in full swing, delivered truly on a Hollywood scale. But even this seemed insufficient to the partners of the Independent, and France, in agreement with the hegemon (Macron just recently returned from America), on November 30 initiated the creation of a Special Tribunal for Russia within the EU (the Hague International Tribunal is apparently not enough for them!). As you can see, Putin is expected not only in The Hague, but also in Paris (the "bracelets" have already been prepared). Therefore, we must be aware that until we ourselves do away with the object of their concern, they will not get off of us. And therefore - Alga to Kyiv! And let the living ukrofascists envy the dead.

This concludes the report on the topic. I do not wish anything, because hard times await us all and the hardest is yet to come. Your Mr. Z
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  1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 4 December 2022 19: 01
    +10
    with all due respect to the work of the author, but he still didn’t understand what kind of plan General Surovikin had, what kind of plan did Prigogine understand, but Surovikin didn’t, except perhaps that there would be a winter campaign, only when it’s also unclear.
    1. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
      Afinogen (Afinogen) 4 December 2022 19: 07
      +6
      I didn’t understand what kind of plan General Surovikin had,

      Well, who will cover the secret plan in the newspaper. lol
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    4. EMMM Offline EMMM
      EMMM 5 December 2022 18: 47
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      General Surovikin has one plan - to reduce the danger to Russia from the West.
      And they already screwed up. Were you waiting for the second Zhukov? Get it!
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 5 December 2022 20: 05
        +2
        Quote: EMMM
        Were you waiting for the second Zhukov?

        I would not compare Surovikin with Zhukov until Surovikin has more than one success in this war.
        1. EMMM Offline EMMM
          EMMM 5 December 2022 20: 18
          +2
          Surovikin has more than one success

          And what about the Russian language?
          1. guest Offline guest
            guest 5 December 2022 22: 03
            -1
            Well, what's wrong, since you are our professor of the Russian language.
            1. EMMM Offline EMMM
              EMMM 21 December 2022 16: 29
              0
              Phrase

              Surovikin has more than one success

              “not a single success” should sound, and even if you don’t react to comments, then this is not your language.
        2. Terenin Offline Terenin
          Terenin (Gennady) 6 December 2022 09: 35
          +2
          Quote: guest
          Quote: EMMM
          Were you waiting for the second Zhukov?

          I would not compare Surovikin with Zhukov until Surovikin has more than one success in this war.

          Don't tell. In such a short time:
          equip a continuous echeloned line of defense ...
          Establish communication between departments...
          Organize the advancement of our DRGs to the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...
          About the destruction of the infrastructure of Ukraine, this is generally a masterpiece.
          1. Saffron Online Saffron
            Saffron (Igor) 6 December 2022 12: 49
            +1
            This is not written about anywhere. Or don't read it. Now is the time for "trashak" in the world, give the bad, but they are not interested in reading about the good (what you listed).
          2. guest Offline guest
            guest 6 December 2022 15: 31
            +1
            Quote: Terenin
            Don't tell. In such a short time

            So far, I have not made any special claims, although the surrender of Kherson is a rather controversial issue, but so far there have been no successes.
            1. Terenin Offline Terenin
              Terenin (Gennady) 10 December 2022 09: 52
              0
              Quote: guest
              Quote: Terenin
              Don't tell. In such a short time

              So far, I have not made any special claims, although the surrender of Kherson is a rather controversial issue, but so far there have been no successes.

              And, you think, what is, for any budget, a big city with a destroyed infrastructure in the winter?
              1. guest Offline guest
                guest 10 December 2022 14: 49
                0
                That is, if Bandera succeeds in destroying the infrastructure of Moscow, will it also be handed over?
    5. zeka77 Offline zeka77
      zeka77 (Alexey) 5 December 2022 20: 54
      0
      I agree, while I read it to the end, I forgot what happened at the beginning))
  2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 4 December 2022 19: 01
    +6
    I do not wish anything, because hard times await us all and the hardest is yet to come.

    That's right, but this needs to be conveyed to every citizen of the Russian Federation, every entrepreneur. A war for the self-preservation of Russia, therefore, to beat non-stop, so that the fate of Ukraine deceived by the West for centuries would be a lesson for all our neighbors, and not only. We live in the realities of the beginning of the 21st century, and we will certainly lay the foundations for the entire 21st century.
  3. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 4 December 2022 19: 03
    +16
    The Ukraine project must be closed once and for all.
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 5 December 2022 04: 55
      -8
      And if Ukraine is not a project?
      Are you a project yourself or not a project? laughing
  4. voznesensky Offline voznesensky
    voznesensky (Oleg Petrovich) 4 December 2022 19: 26
    -5
    At the same time, Putin once again humbly asks for negotiations with Zelensky

    Another nonsense from Mr. Z. Even if this phrase, with a big stretch, could be mistaken for an attempt to be ironic, it should be recognized as extremely unsuccessful. It seems that the aforementioned "mister" not only shows poor knowledge of elementary logic (which I pointed out to him earlier), but has not yet mastered a sufficiently good literary style.
    1. Volkonsky Online Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 4 December 2022 20: 19
      -4
      pot calls the kettle black?!
    2. Terenin Offline Terenin
      Terenin (Gennady) 6 December 2022 09: 36
      -1
      Quote from voznesensky
      what I pointed out to him earlier)

      I didn’t confuse the coast, яkolkin?
  5. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. 4 December 2022 19: 37
    +6
    Something does not converge with the respected Author.
    Either: "the window of opportunity is closing," then: "the deadline for the execution of the contract is the end of 2025 (as you can see, the Ukrainian boar is fed for future use, they are not going to slaughter it yet)".
  6. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
    Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 4 December 2022 19: 44
    -1
    The author writes that by December our troops will have 300 thousand, and then everything depends on the talent of the commander, how will he dispose of them? I mean, we're all waiting. As for the conditions in the trenches, it is foolish to expect other conditions in the trenches that are located 000-600 meters from each other, but as for the fact that the "Wagner" violates the rules of warfare, this is generally beyond reason, they do not take prisoners !!! neither the wounded, nor those who surrender? Maybe, according to the author, this sounds like an advertisement for the fighting spirit of PMCs, which, in my opinion, is not the most worthy, but they never do. Everything is pulled, but essentially nothing, but there are references to various publications.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 4 December 2022 19: 47
      -2
      Quote: Sergei Fonov
      The author writes by December our troops will have 300 thousand

      So it's already December, but where are these 300 thousand?
      1. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
        Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 4 December 2022 19: 52
        +3
        This is for the author, but judging by the fact that the author is Mr. Z, it means the question is in the unknown.
      2. EMMM Offline EMMM
        EMMM 5 December 2022 20: 26
        0
        So there are no 300 hundred thousand, only half a million
    2. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 4 December 2022 22: 45
      0
      300 thousand,

      300 x 000 = 1000 = 300 million
      Hello, writers, won't it be too much?
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 5 December 2022 20: 08
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        Well, maybe he believes that the Chinese comrades will catch up. laughing
  7. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
    Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 4 December 2022 19: 57
    +2
    Mr. Z, once again plunged into optimistic dreams)) The lack of a strategy for Ukraine over the past 30 years has really led to the current situation. Here I read these calculations and the feeling that this will not happen, Mr. Z's dreams will not become a reality does not leave.
  8. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 4 December 2022 20: 04
    -3
    Is General Kherson still making plans?
    In my opinion, he was appointed only because he agreed to a difficult decision.
  9. Nord11 Offline Nord11
    Nord11 (Sergei) 4 December 2022 20: 32
    +14
    And the plan should be simple and uncomplicated. Ukraine in the foreseeable future will remain our enemy with external pumping. Therefore, now it is necessary not to unscrew the electrical plugs, but to make sure that they are no longer needed. Destroy the entire industry, transport hubs, throw back independence in the 19th century. A weak enemy, a guarantee of a quiet life in Russia ..
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 4 December 2022 21: 24
      0
      they say the dead don't bite. hi
  10. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
    soloist2424 (Oleg) 4 December 2022 20: 33
    +7
    You can argue about the article, but in reality we are all guessing here, no one knows the plans of the General Staff. So who knows, maybe it will turn out that way, we'll wait and see. In general, I want Russia to win faster.
    1. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
      Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 5 December 2022 10: 55
      -1
      It is not Gods who burn pots, and it should also be remembered that miracles do not happen in the real world and everyone gets what they deserve (as a rule)
  11. Adm Hts Offline Adm Hts
    Adm Hts (AdmHts) 4 December 2022 21: 44
    -5
    Proposals for negotiations are not a manifestation of Putin's weakness, but a manifestation of his strength, so that later he can always say - I offered peace, the other side chose war

    what a mess... :)
    what... power...
    who could he tell? - there, all his blablas have not bothered anyone for a long time ...
    no matter what he says, no one will listen to him under any circumstances ...
    are there few examples? - so that the Kremlin does not say if the West does not need it, it simply ignores everything and does as it sees fit...
    the West, after two weeks of its own, realized that Putin, with his second army, is an inflated bubble ...
    he has nothing but a nuclear baton ...
    and taking into account the revealed facts, another question is how capable she is ...
  12. Rubra Offline Rubra
    Rubra (Rubra) 4 December 2022 21: 53
    0
    There is a plan, but it will not be revealed to us smile
  13. Adm Hts Offline Adm Hts
    Adm Hts (AdmHts) 4 December 2022 21: 56
    +4
    Putin then issued an ultimatum to Washington and NATO to provide security guarantees to the Russian Federation (the December 2021 diplomatic demarche of the Russian Foreign Ministry), the West refused him this, what happened next, you know, the NWO began.

    So what... :)
    He better not do it...
    the West would continue to think that the Kremlin is worth something ...
    here is a different schedule...
    oligarchic badlite, victory is not needed ..
    for them, the main thing is to prevent a revision of the results of the "holy nineties" ...
    about half of the wealth of the Russian Federation belongs to the oligarchs, so it is important for them to maintain the status quo, and if Russia wins, then this is impossible ...
    Victory itself is impossible with the current half-treacherous badlite...
    what a victory if they need to trade with enemies...
    that is why they do not allow to hit on bridges, ports and decision-making centers ...
    The victory will simply make unnecessary that part of our badlite that serves the West or dreams about it - it is deadly for the oligarchs and banned by them ...
    but defeat is already fatal for the authorities, who do not want to go to The Hague ...
    and judging by the mover, the third option was chosen - freezing the current martial law ...
    everything is in suit and for the authorities and the oligarchs ...
    there is no need to close the drunk center and deal with the privatization from Chubais, dismiss the generals who failed to supply the army, etc ...
    nothing fundamentally needs to be changed in the next 10-20 years ...
    Will 15 border regions suffer shelling in the next 10-20 years? - Donbass suffers the ninth year...
  14. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
    Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) 4 December 2022 23: 20
    +7
    I agree, one conclusion: "it is clear that nothing is clear."
    In fact, remembering that 4 regions of the former Ukrainian SSR are now enshrined in the Constitution as the territory of the Russian Federation, in terms of strategy, the parties have no options, there is no turning back.
    With regard to other regions - obviously, according to the situation, but if you take it away, then as the GDP likes, with the maximum possible justification for the "world community" (in the format "there was no other way out - they bombed the Crimean bridge, they won't stop"). Including the version of the section - now no one will say exactly where to stop, everyone climbed "up to the neck."
    And the willingness to negotiate is a tactical bluff (after all, it is clear that the current inadequate people from Khreshchatyk are simply not responsible for their actions, let alone words), which is necessary for viewers "out there", taking into account the picture that their authorities show them. And to plant a government loyal to the Russian Federation is now absolutely unrealistic. Therefore - a war on a collision course, until someone gets tired earlier and gives up. No one has a stunning advantage, so everything is for a long time.
    Ahead and mobilization and obviously lowering the standard of living and other hardships. Need to survive.
  15. ale29492492 Offline ale29492492
    ale29492492 (Alexander Rozhkov) 5 December 2022 00: 35
    +4
    It’s interesting who explains to whom, Surovikin Shoigu or Shoigu Surovikin. and who makes the decisions? If Shoigu accepts them, then he must answer for everything that has been and will be .... And to whom?
  16. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 5 December 2022 03: 57
    +3
    Surovikin's status is not clear ... Above him and Shoigu and Gerasimov and in the clouds of heaven is the Supreme, and the main one for specific decisions is Surovikin? Or is he the main lightning rod? If Surovikin has his own strategy, why do we need the General Staff and the Minister of Defense?

    Here "at the time it is" 80 years ago, yes ... There was a Supreme Commander and he was also the Commissar of Defense ....
    In the same hands and the army and industry.
  17. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 5 December 2022 05: 03
    +3
    To criticize the President in a country where the main political slogan has been the same for 30 years: "And for whom else?..." - - it is not very logical.
    If a society of 140 million does not have a single person of this level, except for the acting ...... I don’t even feel sorry for such people ...
  18. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 5 December 2022 06: 35
    +8
    So something like that .. But! Against this background (mobilization) - when will the Russian leadership finally deign to start hard extinguishing ALL ways / means of delivering Western weapons to the Ukroreich ?! And then somehow not quite, to put it mildly, it turns out honestly ...
    1. Vladimir_56 Offline Vladimir_56
      Vladimir_56 (Vladimir Sodomovsky) 5 December 2022 14: 20
      0
      And we just need to have as few weapons left in Europe as possible for a possible future war.
  19. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 5 December 2022 08: 41
    +10
    Oh, again they took up the "grinding" in raisins and the Kherson region were grinded up .. Even a non-military person who can use the brain understands that in order to destroy the enemy, he must be surrounded and cut off from supplies, and then destroyed. And "grinding" going head-on to the fortified areas, while the defending echelons are traveling personnel and ammunition is a crime. Even jingoistic warlords have already broken their tongues that our "offensive-grinding" does not give anything at all, except for the losses suffered in vain. Well, ours are storming some village in the forehead for a month and a half, they occupied it, and? What's next?
    1. gene1 Offline gene1
      gene1 (Gennady) 5 December 2022 10: 44
      -1
      Further - they mined, retreated, crests entered, and we again began to advance.
      And what, in fact, is not a tactic. Fascists and technology are grinding, at this stage this may be enough. Residents, cities and towns remain intact. We do not know the strategic intent.
    2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 5 December 2022 12: 34
      +2
      Quote from Muscool
      Oh, again they took up the "grinding" in raisins and the Kherson region were grinded up .. Even a non-military person who can use the brain understands that in order to destroy the enemy, he must be surrounded and cut off from supplies, and then destroyed. And "grinding" going head-on to the fortified areas, while the defending echelons are traveling personnel and ammunition is a crime. Even jingoistic warlords have already broken their tongues that our "offensive-grinding" does not give anything at all, except for the losses suffered in vain. Well, ours are storming some village in the forehead for a month and a half, they occupied it, and? What's next?

      it seems this strategy is not for you and me, not for average minds, only the General Staff and the Supreme can understand it
  20. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 5 December 2022 09: 24
    +3
    Surovikin may and plans to attack in the winter, but probably after the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost gathered forces for their offensive. There are more than enough forces for one direction. I think it will happen in December, and I'm very afraid that in the direction of Belgorod. How not to oversleep.
  21. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 5 December 2022 10: 23
    +2
    do not confuse goals with tasks, none of which have been completed at the moment either

    How are goals different from objectives? For me it's the same:
    1. The territory where Ukraine is still located should be neutral, should not have military bases of third countries, should not have heavy weapons, should have a limited army, ...
    2. The territory where Ukraine is still located must have a non-Nazi constitution and laws.

    But how much territory the state of Ukraine will have depends on Ukraine itself. The sooner he agrees, the more land will remain.

    What is not clear?
    1. Volkonsky Online Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2022 21: 48
      0
      the goal is a strategy, the task is tactics, the goal is the destruction of the threat of the Russian Federation from a hostile pseudo-state by absorbing and erasing Ukraine from the political map of the world, the task is its demilitarization-denazification
      1. gene1 Offline gene1
        gene1 (Gennady) 6 December 2022 08: 18
        0
        Quote: Volkonsky
        destruction of the threat to the Russian Federation from a hostile pseudo-state ...... demilitarization-denazification of it

        It is not the same?
  22. Vlad Petrov Offline Vlad Petrov
    Vlad Petrov (Vladimir) 5 December 2022 10: 41
    +1
    lack of a clear, unambiguous strategy from Moscow

    Or maybe the Kremlin does not publicly voice it, so as not to rattle once again. Who would have thought that the Kremlin would so briskly annex the territory of the Zaporozhye, Kherson region to Russia. So it will be visible.
  23. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 5 December 2022 12: 11
    0
    Do not add here, do not add.
  24. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 5 December 2022 12: 52
    +2
    Quote: gene1
    Further - they mined, retreated, crests entered, and we again began to advance.
    And what, in fact, is not a tactic. Fascists and technology are grinding, at this stage this may be enough. Residents, cities and towns remain intact. We do not know the strategic intent.

    Why are we fighting with swords there, since the villages should remain intact from such dances? If we entered, then there were already battles, mined retreated, allowing the Ukrainians to enter again, then we attack again to take them back, and at the same time the inhabitants and villages remain intact? - This is some nonsense!
    1. gene1 Offline gene1
      gene1 (Gennady) 6 December 2022 13: 27
      0
      There is such a thing as a "strategic retreat" to wear down the enemy. Bakhmut has already been destroyed like Mariupol, there are almost no inhabitants there. Why not use this city to grind the APU? When we accumulate strength, we will take the next cities with minimal destruction and living people. The villages following Bakhmut and their inhabitants remain intact.
      1. Valera75 Offline Valera75
        Valera75 (Valery) 6 December 2022 14: 03
        +1
        Quote: gene1
        There is such a thing as a "strategic retreat" to wear down the enemy. Bakhmut has already been destroyed like Mariupol, there are almost no inhabitants there. Why not use this city to grind the APU? When we accumulate strength, we will take the next cities with minimal destruction and living people. The villages following Bakhmut and their inhabitants remain intact

        We do not have any strategic retreat in Bakhmut, we have never captured it yet. Thanks to him, the Khokhols accumulated strength and in the summer drove us out of Izyum, Balakleya, Liman and from the right bank of the Dnieper in Kherson. Yes, Bandera’s people die there in batches and we grind them, but do you believe that only they die there? We are storming the most powerful fortified city for 8 years, crests have dug in great there, and our losses are also sure that they are simply the most severe, because we are advancing, even if seasoned fighters, but the losses are definitely big.
  25. Anton Kuzmin Offline Anton Kuzmin
    Anton Kuzmin (Anton Kuzmin) 5 December 2022 13: 06
    -3
    Quote: ivan2022
    And if Ukraine is not a project?
    Are you a project yourself or not a project? laughing

    Ukraine is not a communist or even an Austro-Hungarian project. This is a project of the Vatican. Purely in time of existence. States stupidly do not live so much. the same Austria-Hungary used to be the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation, now it is the Republic of Austria. The Vatican hasn't gone anywhere. This war is primarily a religious one. Therefore, the Orthodox Church in the U. has intensified old problems and has new ones that, in principle, cannot be solved peacefully.
  26. Anton Kuzmin Offline Anton Kuzmin
    Anton Kuzmin (Anton Kuzmin) 5 December 2022 13: 12
    -2
    Quote: guest
    Quote: Sergei Fonov
    The author writes by December our troops will have 300 thousand

    So it's already December, but where are these 300 thousand?

    And these 300K are in combat coordination in training. Or do you think that people who last fired from a Kalash 35-19 = 16 (or even more) years ago can be sent into battle, and even by units? Give me a couple of months!
  27. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 5 December 2022 13: 40
    0
    The realities of the war in Ukraine are such that the RF Armed Forces had a great flight, there were no achievements and victories to be proud of, this is a fact. The Russian authorities have no certainty in Ukraine. They want and prick, and mom does not order. There is no goal, no strategy, hence the forecast for the Russian Federation is disappointing. The authorities of the Russian Federation are waiting for cancer to whistle on the mountain. That's when Ukraine-NATO will strike with drones, missiles at the Kremlin, then the Russian authorities will decide to fight or immediately surrender to NATO. The article was not received by the author. The war plan is not with Surovikin, but with Putin.
  28. Dust Online Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 5 December 2022 15: 36
    0
    We will have the same number, after 222 thousand will join the ranks of the RF Armed Forces, fighting in Ukraine and numbering about 180 thousand people (42 thousand RF Armed Forces plus 318 thousand NM LDNR).

    The author forgot to count +120 thousand conscripts who served a year. Dembel was not given to them. Everyone to the front. + The Russian Guard is approximately 120 thousand people! True, they are engaged in inland territories, but still. It turns out in general somewhere, over 750 thousand people.
    1. Volkonsky Online Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2022 21: 51
      0
      conscripts are not sent to the front
      1. Dust Online Dust
        Dust (Sergei) 6 December 2022 12: 24
        0
        Who told you such nonsense! ? After serving in the army for a year, almost everyone signed contracts for six months voluntarily-compulsorily! My son won't let me lie! Now he is a contractor!
  29. andrey_234 Offline andrey_234
    andrey_234 (Andrew) 5 December 2022 23: 22
    +2
    Yes, also with all due respect to the author of "Mr. Z", (and this is not the first time I read his articles), I would like to say that none of his predictions, and this can only be called that, has not yet come true.
    1. Volkonsky Online Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2022 23: 46
      -2
      read the forecasts of the Hydrometeorological Center - they are not mistaken, Mr. Z only makes assumptions based on the available facts, gives you food for thought, believe it or not - it's up to you (you've only been here for five days - have you read a lot of forecasts?)
      1. andrey_234 Offline andrey_234
        andrey_234 (Andrew) 6 December 2022 21: 20
        0
        More than five days, rest assured, registered only five days.
  30. Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 6 December 2022 00: 01
    0
    Accountant, did you count the mercenaries, especially the Polish ones?
  31. Sergei N Offline Sergei N
    Sergei N (Sergey N) 6 December 2022 00: 32
    0
    And let the living ukrofascists envy the dead. MAY IT BE SO!
  32. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 6 December 2022 07: 56
    0
    Quote: gene1
    Further - they mined, retreated, crests entered, and we again began to advance.
    And what, in fact, is not a tactic. Fascists and technology are grinding, at this stage this may be enough. Residents, cities and towns remain intact. We do not know the strategic intent.

    I hope this is sarcasm?
    Is it really sarcasm?
  33. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 6 December 2022 08: 09
    0
    Quote: Anton Kuzmin
    Quote: guest
    Quote: Sergei Fonov
    The author writes by December our troops will have 300 thousand

    So it's already December, but where are these 300 thousand?

    And these 300K are in combat coordination in training. Or do you think that people who last fired from a Kalash 35-19 = 16 (or even more) years ago can be sent into battle, and even by units? Give me a couple of months!

    Yoklmn, when will rose-colored glasses melt? They send, even as they send, my friend was mobilized at the very very beginning in Kaliningrad, they were taken to the training ground a couple of times and sent to the Belgorod region, they said they would train there, they sat for several days in the Belgorod region and sent them to the Svatovo region around October 6 , after a couple of days he fought back (he became 300m) and almost all of his unit, consisting exclusively of mobilized, he wandered around the hospitals and ended up in the suburbs in the Burdenko 3 hospital, where I went to visit him and listened to his battle path, then he was sent to a sanatorium near Solnechnogorsk, and then back to Kaliningrad on part of their course, they issued a plane ticket. So in October it was not uncommon, as proof of such cases there are a lot of videos with our mobilized, so there are far from 300 thousand mobilized in the ranks
    1. Dust Online Dust
      Dust (Sergei) 6 December 2022 12: 34
      0
      I asked my son what are you doing there on the front line? (Serves on the contact line of the Zaporozhye region). He answered that we sit all day in trenches, dugouts ... from time to time they shoot at us. That's the whole war
  34. Albanec791 Offline Albanec791
    Albanec791 (Anton Novitsky) 6 December 2022 09: 10
    0
    The second army of the world! why not in Kyiv?
    1. Dust Online Dust
      Dust (Sergei) 6 December 2022 12: 27
      0
      Our king is kind, he is trying only to win the BMP and Typhoons ...
  35. asr55 Offline asr55
    asr55 (asr) 6 December 2022 15: 20
    0
    the author did not reveal the topic of Surovikin's plans, but he threw such nonsense about the lack of strategy, tactics, confusion and spontaneous actions, and so on.
    For example :

    I began this text with a quote from Sun Tzu, and it is not at all accidental here. To be honest, both sides of the conflict cannot boast of any strategy. The Russian side has not yet even announced the final goals of the special operation launched on February 24 (do not confuse goals with tasks, none of which has been completed at the moment either!). What kind of strategy can we talk about then? So far, all this 9-month fuss in the Ukrainian theater of war is more like a set of tactical steps that each of the warring parties takes exclusively in response to the actions of the opposite side (at the beginning, Ukraine played second, since the end of August the cat and mouse have changed places, now Russia is forced to react on the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine).

    After reading all this nonsense, it becomes clear that for people like the author, only victorious reports are needed and nothing more. There, people defend their homeland, some look at the map in the evening with a "magnifying glass" and demand only to advance without sparing the soldiers. To advance, you need to create a 3-5-fold advantage in personnel, military equipment and other weapons. And even in this case, in the event of a win during the offensive, the losses of the attacking side are not small. That's why it's not going so fast.
  36. Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 6 December 2022 18: 04
    +2
    Everyone has a fog of war and a mess from the opinions of experts in their heads. Is there an ultimate goal of the NWO or is it floating? An enemy of Ukraine or just not a friend? Does Surovikin have enough powers or is it not important? Will this mobilization be enough and for what purpose? Is it normal to sell gas, grain, ammonia to the enemy or through the enemy? Control the sea and not walk on it, how is that? Is it effective to control the sky and not fly through it? Do not touch bridges and railway. enemy nodes - is that correct? Not having a DRG behind enemy lines - is this modern? On, these questions we will receive answers not soon.
  37. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 7 December 2022 13: 25
    +1
    The United States is satisfied with the NWO - it expends resources and reduces the export of weapons of the Russian Federation, eliminates the stockpiles of Soviet-Russian and obsolete weapons, stimulates its economy and the military-industrial complex, but at the same time fears that the war will escalate into something more and therefore limit the supply of long-range weapons so that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not they decided to strike at Moscow, but they can if there is anything.
    The longer the SVO is, the more resources it will require, and the supplies prepared for its implementation are not unlimited - defense plants work seven days a week and have three shifts. If the war continues for another year, resources for its continuation will have to be found at the expense of non-military budget items, which will certainly affect the population with all possible negative consequences, and therefore the Russian Federation needs peace and Kyiv understands this and therefore flatly refuses to make concessions even under pressure from the West .
    The situation is like a joke:

    the man shouts - he caught the bear, the other in response - drag it here, and the first yells - I can’t, the bear won’t let me.
  38. anti-aircraft gunner 8 December 2022 13: 29
    0
    Too blissful picture was painted by the author, juggling the facts he needed. Moreover, unpleasant facts for us in the form of training fighters abroad as something of little importance. As if we have a mobile reserve in 2 months they turn into cyborgs. Alas, not everything is so optimistic. How could we not get under the breath of the next attack on Mariupol and Berdyansk. Oh, it's too early to throw hats ...