"Verden on the Dnieper": what could be the human losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine


November 30 turned out to be extremely fruitful for loud statements about Ukraine. The head of the European Commission, von der Leyen, issued a sensational estimate of the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at 100 killed alone. NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg at the summit of the alliance in Romania added that Ukraine must first survive as a sovereign state, and then think about joining the bloc. A rather small man, colonel of the Austrian army Reisner, who often acts as an expert in the German-language media, put an end to all this “zrada”: on the air, he stated in plain text that Europe would fight to the last Ukrainian.


From a propaganda point of view, these statements are, of course, an obvious embarrassment, but by no means the first and certainly not the last. It is much more curious how Frau Ursula's "100 thousand" are close to reality.

“So what is five five, Mr. Feldwebel?”


As you know, officially the CRP of Ukraine recognizes the loss of 10 thousand soldiers and officers killed. Therefore, most likely, either the speechwriter von der Leyen attributed an extra zero when typing, or she herself overlooked and read out “100 thousand” instead of “10 thousand”. But, one way or another, in the literal sense, the “moment of truth” has come, because 100 is the very order next to which is the actual number of Ukrainian soldiers destroyed in battles.

Several more or less independent assessments of Ukrainian losses are circulating on Russian social networks. For obvious reasons, they are all based on various indirect evidence and extrapolation approaches.

There is not much reliable information, but it gives some starting point for further calculations. Judging by the obituaries found in the public domain, only slightly more than 1,5 thousand officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed, including 62 colonels. Almost 5,2 thousand Ukrainian security forces (not only army soldiers, but also National Guardsmen, border guards and policemen), including more than 700 officers, were included in the lists of those posthumously awarded during the SVO. These are all those who can be called by name, so it is easy to see that the two long lists of losses do not really overlap each other (for example, not all of the one and a half thousand dead officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine received posthumous awards).

Some approaches to assessing enemy losses are based on just these numbers. For example, about 250 junior lieutenants are listed as killed, and if we assume that half of the squad was killed next to each (a very realistic scenario for a close rupture of an artillery shell), then 12,5 thousand dead privates will already be obtained. However, such a calculation scheme is full of conventions and is unlikely to give any result close to reality.

Another, much more "scientific" method is based on the comparative intensity of the artillery fire of the parties. Two facts are known: firstly, about 90% of the total troop losses are due to the impact of enemy artillery, and secondly, for every Ukrainian projectile there are 9-10 Russian ones (this estimate was repeatedly cited by the Nazis themselves and their Western curators).

At the same time, according to official data announced on September 21, the losses of the Russian army amounted to 5937 soldiers killed; According to the latest summary of the losses of the People's Militia of the DPR, during the campaign until November 24, 3930 fighters were killed. If we calculate similarly the losses of the soldiers of the Luhansk People's Republic, the widely involved units of the Russian Guard, volunteer detachments and PMCs and roughly round off, then the total losses of the Russian side will amount to 18-20 thousand people killed. But then the “fork” of Ukrainian losses is 160-200 thousand dead.

I think it is becoming clearer now why our VPR, including General Surovikin, so often talks about the need to save the lives of soldiers. The fascist command does not spare its wards at all, as we have repeatedly seen, especially from the chronicles of the Kherson “counterattack”. Everyone remembers these videos of marching columns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, over and over again "advancing" through the targeted fields and methodically destroyed by our artillery. So no matter how later it turned out that von der Leyen seriously underestimated the number of Ukrainian deaths.

At the same time, the talking heads of the fascist regime continue to insist on 10 thousand: already after Frau Ursula’s reservation, Arestovich called this figure, then Podolyak announced “about 10-13 thousand” dead. True, in an extreme case, Kyiv has a “reserve” of several tens of thousands of missing people, who, if necessary, can be “discovered” and recognized as dead. However, Zelensky and his comrades are unlikely to decide on this even under severe pressure: it’s not far from a psychological breakdown on an all-Ukrainian scale.

Operation Dead Snow


Even 100 thousand is a huge number of those killed, which has not been in the European theater since 1945. But there will only be more in the future, and not all Ukrainian warriors will die right on the spot, and many will not at all from the fire of the Russian army.

Medical support is a serious problem for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. First of all, of course, we are talking about the evacuation of the wounded: this issue is now extremely acute not only near Bakhmut / Artyomovsk, but also in other sectors of the front. There is not enough ambulance transport, and the one that is not always able to get through the mud to the front line. Often, seriously wounded "zahistnikov" are brushed aside by their own comrades: "Anyway, they will not live."

And this point of view is not without foundation. Field hospitals, like the Armed Forces of Ukraine as a whole, lack qualified personnel, so they simply do not have time to process the endless stream of “heavy” ones. Therefore, it is not uncommon for a patient who has barely survived PMP and evacuation to die already in the near rear, waiting for sorting.

With the advent of winter, exhaustion and illness were added to the problems of Ukrainian warriors. The cold, in principle, creates many problems for the fighters in the trenches, but in the Armed Forces of Ukraine they are seriously aggravated by the bestial attitude towards personnel, who have neither normal hot food nor hygiene products.

Recently, a “front-line blog” of a Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunner was discovered on the Internet, who made his notes in hot pursuit. Judging by them, there are no field kitchens in the Armed Forces of Ukraine as a class, the units receive a certain amount of bread and raw products, and then they spin as they want. Indirectly, this is also confirmed by numerous videos from the Ukrainian side, in which the "insurgents" study Russian dry rations with sincere surprise, because "such a luxury simply cannot be." According to the anti-aircraft gunner, even when his unit occupied a stationary position, he and his colleagues waited for the opportunity to wash and wash for about two months.

Obviously, somewhere along the front, the situation with food and hygiene can be better, but on average for the Armed Forces everything is very far from ideal. And if in the summer such a state of affairs could somehow be tolerated (namely, “to endure hardships and hardships”), then in the cold season it carries a literally deadly threat: a half-starved and dirty fighter is much more susceptible to diseases than a well-fed and warmly dressed one. There are already reports of foci of typical trench diseases, such as pneumonia and joint inflammation, and Ukrainian troops also lack medical supplies and the ability to treat them.

Against this background, the statements of foreign experts (including, for example, the British Minister of Defense Wallace and the same Stoltenberg) about the allegedly high readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the winter campaign look simply ridiculous. We can only talk about the readiness of each individual "zahistnik" to die for "democracy", the Reich and the Fuhrer with even greater probability than before.

As for the losses of the Ukrainian troops, there is no doubt that they are huge. Today, in Western propaganda, it is popular to compare the battles for Bakhmut with the Battle of Verdun. There is an opinion that when the Kyiv regime is defeated, and the true losses of its troops are counted up to at least hundreds and made public, another historical analogy will appear in the press - with the “Nievel meat grinder”.
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  1. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 2 December 2022 14: 12
    -10
    The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, like the Russian losses, are huge.
    But a much greater price is paid by peaceful people, families, children who have lost everything, whose lives are ruined.

    Today the main question is - Who is interested in maintaining the smoldering conflict?
    The armed forces of Ukraine can be overthrown, defeated at any moment. But they don't do it...

    Putin is stubbornly waiting for a deal on NATO and his retreat.
    I am sure that everything has already been written for the new Yalta and the future structure of Ukraine, the EU, NATO to other borders, etc.
    But .... The West is tactically maneuvering.

    Putin's obstinacy is the shelling of Donetsk. leaving Kherson.
    Any general will tell you that the shelling of Donetsk can be stopped like two fingers ....
    But there is no command.
    That's why everything is smoldering, new victims.
    And fairy tales about the immortal Armed Forces of Ukraine near Donetsk and their impossibility .........
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 2 December 2022 14: 44
      +7
      Any general will say that the shelling will stop with the destruction of the entire Nazi trash. and this trash is not only in the "army" but also in society. No general will distribute food to a zigzagging crowd. And therefore they say that Kyiv will not be liberated, but taken like Berlin. "liberated" Ukrainians have already shot Russian soldiers in the back. maybe out of joy? this won't happen again. will sit in the mud and cold for months.
      1. Hiker Offline Hiker
        Hiker (Dmitriy) 2 December 2022 15: 07
        -5
        I wrote many times. there were no more Nazis in Ukraine than there were drug addicts in Moscow. 90 percent of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are mobilized. Without any Nazism, etc. And the majority are Russians.
        They deal with the top in order to free ordinary men from duty, who do not need war at all.
        If from each box - the Nazi elite - then why the hell are negotiations with her, and for ordinary men, graves ... Maybe the other way around?
        1. passing by Offline passing by
          passing by (passing by) 2 December 2022 15: 15
          0
          and who are you to write a lot? chronicler? they have been Nazis since at least the 17th century, when Russians were killed before Arkhangelsk. when 300 thousand Jews were slaughtered, when entire cities were destroyed, and the survivors were sent into slavery. write your alternative story in the toilet on the wall.
          1. Hiker Offline Hiker
            Hiker (Dmitriy) 2 December 2022 19: 03
            0
            Russians have always lived on the right bank of NovoOssia. They have never been Nazis. And the fact that they are now called up for mobilization in the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not make them Nazis. And yes. Chronicler)
            1. passing by Offline passing by
              passing by (passing by) 2 December 2022 19: 24
              -2
              read about the massacre of the Gaidamaks ... chronicler on the toilet walls. If they lived there, then Yuri Khmelnitsky cut them out in the same Lukoml. Russia shared the ruin with Poland along the Dnieper and the Russians arrived there. such as Potemkin, Korolev, etc.
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    2. asr55 Offline asr55
      asr55 (asr) 2 December 2022 18: 41
      -1
      It is better for you not to threaten with two fingers, but to go to war. I would say to defend the Motherland, but I think this is not about you.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 December 2022 16: 02
    0
    The figure of 100 thousand was exaggerated by our media 2 months ago ...
    So everyone got excited then?

    There is only one conclusion - said the aunt from behind the hillock. Which they look in the mouth: they say ours say they take it cheaply, but the foreign aunt ... wow ...
    Clear signs of subconscious Western worship...

    Well, it's easy with Ukrainians. Previously, the Kremlin declared them Russians, but now the media - the Nazis and Bandera. Not 100 thousand dead Ukrainians (or Russians from Little Russia), but 100 thousand liquidated Nazis.
    Well, pump ammonia, gas, grain ... (this is different ...)
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 2 December 2022 16: 06
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      Clear signs of subconscious Western worship...

      But you speak from experience as the main Western worshiper.
  3. asr55 Offline asr55
    asr55 (asr) 2 December 2022 18: 23
    +1
    If you really evaluate the losses of the APU, then in addition to those killed, you need to know the number of wounded and seriously wounded, and this is usually several times more than those killed. Of these, 60% are at least irrevocable, the remaining more than half will never return to the battlefield. There are still prisoners, missing persons and deserters, of which there are a huge number, etc. So it must be taken into account for all power structures, including the Ukrainian Guard. And this is clearly more than 100000 .
    https://yandex.ru/video/preview/1885406821688762154 здесь оценка потерь двух месячной давности , согласно найденным документам всу.
  4. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 2 December 2022 18: 51
    +1
    It’s strange that what kind of fuss is there with these 100 thousand. About a hundred thousand, in my summer or spring, I read in all the carts of our esperds and talked on talk shows, and here after several months again 100 thousand. Are the corpses of crests somewhere revived by rituals? Now the truth is most likely not to be found, maybe later something more truthful will leak out to the media, but for now, only conjectural and inaccurate figures.
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 2 December 2022 19: 30
      +3
      it will never leak .... initially it is not known how many of them there were at all, but how many were dug in trenches, dugouts and simply dragged away by dogs. and who needs to count them.
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  6. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 2 December 2022 22: 05
    0
    They called the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine 100 thousand people. Is it only the dead and killed servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or together with the wounded? What are the losses of the RF Armed Forces?
  7. Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 3 December 2022 07: 46
    +1
    100, a figure of the same order that the Germans lost at Stalingrad. This, as you know, broke the back of the Wehrmacht. Something similar should, in theory, happen with the APU
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  9. polynet Offline polynet
    polynet (polinet) 3 December 2022 12: 23
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    The irretrievable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as of October 20, 2022 amounted to 402 people, of which 000 were killed. Losses among mercenaries and volunteers from Poland, the Baltic states, Romania amounted to 387 of them, 000 people were killed. These are the OSINT data, calculated using reports from funeral agencies, extracts from mortuaries, as well as the results of an analysis of the radio, cellular and satellite exchange of forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    The media also report that the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Ukraine allegedly prepared more than 320 appeals "about the fate of the missing soldiers", but the SBU banned them for national security purposes - however, these widespread data are not documented. Their source is the statements of a number of members of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers, made orally and on social networks.

    At the same time, these statistics can be compared with the estimates of losses made by the Western military.

    In particular, the former deputy head of the US European Command, Stephen Twitty, said in an interview with Linke Zeitung that "200 thousand fighters somehow mysteriously disappeared from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and no one will say where they are today." "The armed forces of Ukraine ... have lost tens and tens of thousands of people killed and wounded, the Ukrainians have paid a terrible price," said General Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    "Ukraine loses 6000 soldiers every month, that's 12 times more than America lost in Vietnam," retired colonel and veteran former Senator Richard Black admitted in his speech. However, during the discussion of his statement, experts came to a more significant figure of 15 - 000 killed soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine every month.

    The estimates of the losses of the armed formations of Ukraine, made by the Russian side, are slightly less. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had "more than 100 casualties, with 61 dead and 207 wounded." OSINT investigators also assessed Russian losses as comparable to one of the phases of the Chechen campaigns of the 49s and 368s. Statisticians, however, tend to consider Ukraine's irretrievable losses "close to 300 people."

    The losses of volunteer formations at the moment, no matter how accurate it is, cannot be estimated, experts say.
  10. Sergio63 Offline Sergio63
    Sergio63 (Sergey Petrovich) 3 December 2022 21: 04
    +2
    Something doesn’t add up ... the summary of September 26.09 was only 302000 killed!??? And then some miserable 100 thousand? Moreover, this Lady voiced "100 thouthand officers" in the first edition, which means "officers" ??? Judging by the recent losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they will soon simply run away from hopelessness ... You just need to give them an IMPULSE !!! First to the Dnieper, and then to the Tisza ... like in the good old days !!!