British intelligence: Russia stopped using battalion tactical groups in Ukraine


British intelligence concluded that the Russian armed forces had ceased to use deployment in the form of battalion tactical groups during the JMD in Ukraine.


It was the large-scale use of battalion tactical groups that was the basis of the tactics of the Russian army at the initial stage of a special military operation. When it was necessary to move deep into the territory of Ukraine, this approach justified itself. However, if it was necessary to hold the occupied lines, his shortcomings were revealed.

One of them, according to British intelligence, is a small number of infantrymen in the BTG. Another disadvantage was the decentralized placement of artillery. Despite the numerical superiority in this component, the effectiveness of the work of Russian artillery was not high simply because many commanders were deprived of the opportunity to give target designation to artillery battalions directly.

Note that similar conclusions were reached in the Russian military leadership. In any case, many military experts note the increased efficiency of Russian artillery units at times.

This is explained by the fact that now the reconnaissance groups of the Russian troops transmit the coordinates of the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine directly to the artillery battery, bypassing the complex approval procedure. Artillery strikes in a matter of minutes after receiving the coordinates, and the enemy troops simply do not have time to change positions.
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  1. Michael 68 Offline Michael 68
    Michael 68 29 November 2022 15: 32
    +10
    It hasn't even been five years. As it came to our generals. You look in three years, it will come to you that a connection is needed in the lower segment. And interaction.
  2. Dima_2 Offline Dima_2
    Dima_2 (Dmitry Makarov) 29 November 2022 15: 48
    +11
    I'll tell you how we got to the BTG.
    When Serdyukov began his wonderful "reform", he turned divisions (where there was SME -9, Tb - 6) into brigades (it became SME -3-4, Tb - 1). Under the next minister, structurally nothing has changed. But when it STARTED it turned out that the brigade was able to field only one battalion.
    Yes, many divisions were reduced in strength. But before staffing and coordination it took no more than 10 days. Serviceable equipment standing at NZ in PART, documentation: maps, calculations, other documents in secret, property in NZ warehouses and even assigned staff, which was crammed into the SDS!
    And all this was destroyed by Serdyukov, and the generals were silent, those who did not remain silent were gone.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 29 November 2022 16: 11
      -4
      Serdyukov was chosen and tasked by Putin. He also supervised its implementation, then handed it over to Shoigu, who, under Putin's control, brought the matter to an end. There is only one explanation for the "castration" of our army by the hands of the country's leadership - Putin was chosen and installed by the Anglo-Saxons themselves instead of their former puppet - Yeltsin.
      Their new puppet, like the old one, simply follows instructions. With all the necessary "cover" measures, both within the country and in the world. Decisions are made overseas. This is how I think it goes
      1. 1_2 Offline 1_2
        1_2 (Ducks are flying) 30 November 2022 00: 29
        -6
        it is difficult for the commander-in-chief to feed 120 oligarchs, 5 million bureaucrats cops, etc., plus 35 million pensioners, so he decided to save on .. Army
        1. Ivan Yuriev Offline Ivan Yuriev
          Ivan Yuriev (Ivan Shivin) 30 November 2022 11: 34
          +8
          Pensioners prevented him .. Forget that pensioners deducted pension savings from their salaries. Or does it not count? Every nerd considers pensioners to be dependents, thereby showing the degree of his degradation
      2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 November 2022 17: 04
        -1
        Regarding Putin's patronage of stealing the budget - it does not interfere with its main function, but, on the contrary, is useful to him and his owners for many reasons:
        - a good cover for his connection with the Anglo-Saxons and a more convenient explanation for the devastating results of their plan
        - the distribution of huge money in his environment probably created a system when everyone looks into his mouth, and curiosity is simply unprofitable
        - real harm is done to the country as an enemy of the Anglo-Saxons
        - there is an opportunity for his personal enrichment
        - An effective blow of the Anglo-Saxons to our system of values ​​and ideals
        - destructive elements are fed directly from the results of their activities
        etc. etc.
      3. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 November 2022 20: 37
        -1
        The task of the Anglo-Saxons to weaken the economy and the manufacturing sector of Russia through the withdrawal of capital abroad, corruption and theft of the budget, as well as the reduction of the army and the bankruptcy of military-industrial complex enterprises, was successfully solved by Putin.
        The creation, together with Ukraine, of a hotbed of war in Europe, and drawing Russia into it, is also practically done.
        Russia is drawn into the "meat grinder" in Ukraine and supplies it with its best people, high-precision weapons and resources. The depletion of Russia (so far in Ukraine) by our enemies continues and is gaining momentum. There is no end in sight to this, because nothing is being done about the owners of this massacre.
        We in Ukraine are framed by Putin under the possibility of being drawn into a deadly war for us with NATO at any moment when the Anglo-Saxons need it.
        The Anglo-Saxons are already benefiting from this situation in the form of an unprecedented increase in orders for their military-industrial complex, the penetration of their interests into the manufacturing sector of Europe, and the flight of its manufacturing enterprises to them.
        Both options for the further development of their plan are beneficial for them:
        1. Basically (probably) Russia should be drawn into the war with Poland, and then with NATO with the help of sabotage at nuclear power plants. In this war, according to the plan of the Anglo-Saxons, Russia should be destroyed by the hands of the countries of Europe, and Europe, weakened by it, will fall under them without resistance and become their production appendage. The Anglo-Saxons themselves will not get dirty in anyone's blood, they can only make a "control shot" if necessary.
        2. By spare - Russia will be exhausted and surrender to the Anglo-Saxons in Ukraine, and the enslavement of Europe will occur bloodlessly.
        In any case, the Anglo-Saxons intend to destroy Russia, finally resolve the "Russian question", and reign on two continents.
        They have prepared options for escalation in Western Europe and the Far East, just in case.
        Thus, Russia and Ukraine are "pawns" in the hands of the Anglo-Saxons, who have been using them for their own purposes for 30 years with the help of puppet presidents and governments.
        Only Russia can destroy this plan, forcing the Anglo-Saxons to face their death and retreat, but for this she must first free herself.
        Professor Valentin Katasonov on the ongoing bankruptcy of military-industrial complex enterprises: The article "Does Russia Need Guns, Missiles, Armor?" https://svpressa.ru/economy/article/352648/?qcq=1
      4. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
        lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 4 December 2022 15: 17
        0
        Yah? And why did the Anglo-Saxons force us in our country to vote like this in the elections to the State Duma and others all this time, or did we do it ourselves?
    2. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 30 November 2022 08: 26
      +3
      Well, you turned it down for 10 days. Partial mobilization has been going on for the third month already .. The transition to the brigade recruitment method is explained by our then poverty. The effectiveness of the German tank division is explained by its mobility and autonomy. .
      1. Dima_2 Offline Dima_2
        Dima_2 (Dmitry Makarov) 30 November 2022 18: 57
        0
        After the First World War and the Treaty of Versailles, the Germans were allowed to have a very limited army. And what did they do!? First of all, the officer corps was preserved. Plus the training of specialist officers, the same tankers and pilots. Where they were prepared, you know very well. In fact, it was a regular army.
        About a worsenetovich or a PR minister, this is a separate topic for conversation.
  3. zuuukoo Offline zuuukoo
    zuuukoo (Sergei) 29 November 2022 15: 54
    +5
    Quote: Dima_2
    And all this was destroyed by Serdyukov, and the generals were silent, those who did not remain silent were gone.

    Serdyukov has not been in the Ministry of Defense for 10 years. So maybe it's worth not only blaming everything on the past "effective manager", but also looking at the current one?
    Not to mention the fact that Serdyukov did not appoint himself a minister and he did not invent the reforms himself.

    Z. Y. : By the way, they fired him from the Moscow Region not because he did something wrong, but because of a scandal with a stealing mistress. Which hints that it is not Serdyukov's business.
  4. zuuukoo Offline zuuukoo
    zuuukoo (Sergei) 29 November 2022 16: 17
    +4
    Quote: Dima_2
    Yes, many divisions were reduced in strength. But before staffing and coordination it took no more than 10 days. Serviceable equipment standing on NC in PART

    Z. Y. 2: Still, you should not idealize the cadre divisions. It wasn't all that smooth there.
    And 10 days for staffing and coordination is a completely bold fantasy (moreover, even for the USSR).
  5. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 30 November 2022 00: 26
    +1
    VKS pilots also request permission to destroy an air target, though it is not known how many minutes they wait, every second is precious in the air, there are breakneck speeds. and artillery cannot hit a moving target with ordinary shells, a column of equipment can fall out from under the nose, the "miners" themselves say that Krasnopol shells are very needed
    1. Ivan Yuriev Offline Ivan Yuriev
      Ivan Yuriev (Ivan Shivin) 30 November 2022 11: 58
      -1
      Coordination is where and with whom, I wonder, is it happening? Options: Kremlin, Oligarchs, EU, Washington, Alpha Centauri?
  6. igos palatkin Offline igos palatkin
    igos palatkin (igos palatkin) 30 November 2022 14: 05
    +4
    Comrade Shoigu does not want to tell where the money allocated for the "constellation" went ??? He lied to our ears that, before the platoon, everyone was provided with a data transmission system by art, communications and other things. In fact, we have the daughter of a millionaire and collect the whole country for fighters for shorts. A disgrace in lampas.
    1. silviu Offline silviu
      silviu (Silviu) 30 November 2022 20: 44
      -1
      They lied and stole a lot that they won back, gave away or asked .. (gave it) It would be worth it - to be or not to be, that is the question? The allocated money is never enough for everyone.
  7. silviu Offline silviu
    silviu (Silviu) 30 November 2022 20: 26
    0
    reconnaissance groups of Russian troops transmit the coordinates of the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine directly to the artillery battery, bypassing the complex approval procedure. Artillery strikes in a matter of minutes after receiving the coordinates, and the enemy troops simply do not have time to change positions.

    The artillery divisions always had their own reconnaissance, which transmitted the coordinates of the enemy's positions directly without approval to the batteries. Any new modern types of reconnaissance should work directly (including space) with firing positions, because the situation on the battlefield changes every minute.
  8. DO Online DO
    DO (Dmitriy) 1 December 2022 06: 30
    0
    Something British intelligence draws the conclusions of British scientists :)))
    For the title of the article logically does not fit well with its content:

    many military experts note the increased efficiency of the work of Russian artillery units at times.
    This is explained by the fact that now the reconnaissance groups of the Russian troops transmit the coordinates of the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine directly to the artillery battery, bypassing the complex approval procedure.

    And on the basis that discipline has been tightened up in artillery, and it immediately fulfills incoming requests from intelligence, a global conclusion is made
  9. Pavel volkov Offline Pavel volkov
    Pavel volkov (Pavel Volkov) 2 December 2022 10: 15
    0
    Still drone reconnaissance
    Viewing firing positions via satellite
    Isn't this the greatness of the army now?