How mobilization in the RF Armed Forces made the war in Ukraine popular


On July 3, 1941, when the Red Army was suffering heavy defeats from the Nazi invaders and was forced to retreat, surrendering the territory of its country to the enemy, Comrade Stalin made a famous address to the Soviet people on the radio, which went down in history under the title “Brothers and Sisters! ". On November 21, 2022, the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Peskov spoke to the Russians, whose words, no doubt, will also be remembered later.


"People's" war?


The full text of the appeal of Joseph Vissarionovich, which became the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, can be easily found through a search or listen to a video.


We present one of its most striking fragments:

What is required in order to eliminate the danger hanging over our Motherland, and what measures must be taken in order to defeat the enemy?

First of all, it is necessary that our people, the Soviet people, understand the full depth of the danger that threatens our country and renounce complacency, carelessness, and moods of peaceful construction, which were quite understandable in pre-war times, but pernicious at the present time, when the war is fundamentally changed position. The enemy is cruel and relentless. He sets as his goal the seizure of our lands, watered with our sweat, the seizure of our bread and our oil, extracted by our labor. It sets as its goal the restoration of the power of the landowners, the restoration of tsarism, the destruction of the national culture and national statehood of Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Uzbeks, Tatars, Moldavians, Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis and other free peoples of the Soviet Union, their Germanization, their transformation into slaves of German princes and barons. Thus, it is a question of life and death of the Soviet state, of life and death of the peoples of the USSR, of whether the peoples of the Soviet Union should be free or fall into enslavement. It is necessary that the Soviet people understand this and stop being carefree, that they mobilize themselves and reorganize all their work on a new, military basis, which knows no mercy for the enemy.

The words of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the USSR were essentially reflected in the great Soviet song "Holy War", also known by the first line as "Get up, the country is huge!". And we won. Or rather, our grandfathers and great-grandfathers won, who believed, got up from the sofa and went to the front, some to the defense plant to forge the Common Victory.

At the end of October 2022, one of the main systemic liberals of Russia, and now the first deputy head of the presidential administration, Sergei Kiriyenko, quite unexpectedly announced that in order to defeat the Kyiv regime and the NATO bloc behind it, a transition to a “people's war” is necessary:

Russia has always won any war if this war became popular. It has always been so. We will definitely win this war: both “hot” and economic, and the very psychological, informational war that is being waged against us. But for this it is necessary that it be a people's war, so that each person feels his involvement ...

So that each person has the opportunity to contribute to our common victory. Who than can. Someone - by letter to a fighter, someone - at manufacturing enterprises, providing the necessary supplies of equipment. Someone - performing perhaps the most important task, because of all this confrontation, the most important battle is the battle for the future, that is, for the youth. The most important thing in this battle is you.

The fact that the Kremlin, which had been pretending for more than half a year that everything was in order, everything was under control, suddenly began to fuss, there is nothing to be surprised at. First, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, going on a large-scale offensive, forced the Russian army to leave the Kharkiv region, then part of the Northern Donbass, and at the time of the revelations from Sergei Vladilenovich, the issue of leaving the Right-bank part of the Kherson region was being decided, which eventually happened. Now here building serif lines in the Belgorod region, the DPR and LPR, on the Left Bank of the Kherson region and in the Zaporozhye region. The special operation, whatever you call it, objectively ended a long time ago and a real war began, in which Russia can win only by the superpower of the entire people, rallied around a single goal and task - the elimination of Nazi Ukraine.

And with this, alas, there are serious discrepancies, which does not bode well for our country in the foreseeable future.

No longer brothers and sisters?


Let's go back to yesterday's statement by Dmitry Peskov, press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation. "Voice of Putin" stated that, it turns out, the overthrow of the regime of Vladimir Zelensky is not the goal of a special military operation in Ukraine:

Russia does not set itself the goal of a special operation to change power in Ukraine, the President has already spoken about this.

In fact, Peskov is cunning, since his boss Putin initially said something completely different. In particular, on February 25, 2022, the day after the start of the special operation, he personally called on the Armed Forces of Ukraine to overthrow the Zelensky regime, calling him and his entourage “a gang of drug addicts and Nazis.” If so, here's a quote:

Once again I appeal to the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Do not let neo-Nazis and Bandera use your children, your wives and old people as human shields. Take power into your own hands. It seems that it will be easier for us to come to an agreement than with this gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis, who settled in Kyiv and took the entire Ukrainian people hostage.

There is a certain inconsistency, which is unacceptable in such serious and fundamental issues. The fact is that this war has already become popular. The point of no return here is partial mobilization in the RF Armed Forces.

While contract soldiers were fighting in Ukraine and “it was their personal choice”, the vast majority of Russians could lead their former “carefree lifestyle”, being sure that professional military men trained in “tank biathlon” and receiving a decent salary would somehow bring us Victory . When, after half a year of Putin's promises that there would be no mobilization, it nevertheless began, partial, and agendas and military commissars began to come to the reservists, it was no laughing matter. When it turned out that the mobilized would also have to equip themselves at their own expense, because the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense did not have 1,5 million sets of uniforms that should be there, the people in their mass began to wake up and suspect something.

That's it, you can't turn the stuffing back. After reservists were sent to the front, it became obvious that the matter was very serious. Hundreds of thousands of adult men have been mobilized, and members of their families, and these are still millions of Russians, are already directly involved in the conflict. And, alas, losses among the reservists are inevitable. A huge resonance in our society was caused by the recent execution of Russian prisoners of war by Ukrainian Nazis. Blood debt demands vengeance and justice. The war on the territory of the former Square has already become popular, and the main question arises - for what will all these people die?

Eliminate the Russophobic regime in Kyiv and bring to justice this whole gang of "drug addicts and Nazis", as well as numerous other war criminals? An no. It turns out that we are not going to overthrow Zelensky. And then what?

Should I sign "Minsk-3" or "Istanbul-2" with him? This they easily saw. They are just playing in the Kremlin with very dangerous things, such as the historical memory of the Soviet and Russian peoples. It is obvious that the “white top” does not want to understand the “red bottom”, which we will discuss in detail reasoned earlier, but if you ignore the objective reality, it will not become different from this. Having called the people to war with Nazism, German or Ukrainian, you can’t call them back from it, this is not a NWO that you can simply stop. You should not joke with such things as our common memory of the Great Victory over Nazism.
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  1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 22 November 2022 17: 08
    +7
    And where is it popular, you can’t see that all the people are ready to die for Putin.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 23 November 2022 01: 47
      +5
      Quote: aslan642
      that all the people are ready to die for Putin.

      For Putin, the people and should not, but for the motherland.
      1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 23 November 2022 10: 20
        0
        But who attacked Russia, and the main question Putin and the company wants to protect the Motherland, I’m already silent about the Victory.
        1. lance Offline lance
          lance 23 November 2022 13: 13
          +1
          if an American citizen is attacked by armed ill-wishers, what is the United States doing? and here the Russians are being hammered for more than 8 years - he is not Russian who will not help his brother. and after all, until now, the civilian population of Ukraine is not fired upon, and the prisoners are only guzzling.
  2. rish Offline rish
    rish (Rish) 22 November 2022 17: 08
    -4
    People's SVO - is it quite already, something ..? Even if this is declared an official war, it will be hard for the people to imagine it, no one attacked us and something does not feel that they are going to. All this talk about Ukrainian fascism is just verbiage for now, no fact. The fact that they are belligerent against us is so understandable after 2014. Our people are not such a simple people that it is so easy to stupefy everyone with propaganda.
    1. kot711 Offline kot711
      kot711 (vov) 22 November 2022 17: 39
      +3
      All this talk about Ukrainian fascism is just verbiage for now, no fact.
      It is clear that Odessa is not enough for you, the executions of Donbass are not enough. You probably need to be skinned alive, then you will believe that real Nazism is on the edge.
      1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 22 November 2022 20: 20
        -3
        And where was Russia at that time, smoking aside.
      2. rish Offline rish
        rish (Rish) 22 November 2022 20: 52
        -8
        Odessa, Donbass are the problems of Ukrainians, we went through this in the 90s in the Caucasus. Here Strelkov and Co., there Basaev, Khattab, etc. where does the fascists, such separatist-terrorists all over the world, have always been quite a few.
        1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 22 November 2022 21: 04
          0
          Odessa, Donbass are the problems of Ukrainians, we went through this in the 90s in the Caucasus.

          I'm wondering, what did we go through to the Caucasus, in October 1993?
          1. rish Offline rish
            rish (Rish) 22 November 2022 21: 43
            0
            The same thing happened as in Ukraine in 2014, but for some reason some chose to forget about it.
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      3. guest Offline guest
        guest 23 November 2022 01: 49
        +1
        Come on, it’s useless to explain this to these haters, they can only put minuses.
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 23 November 2022 01: 53
      0
      Quote from rish
      nobody attacked us

      Well, depending on who you are, at least there were terrorist attacks in Crimea, and this is Russia.
      1. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
        Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 23 November 2022 02: 29
        +3
        Here, from the ukrov, the threat came from the most that is not on and there is a direct one. The Slavic-speaking country, for some reason in its entire history, which was not in the Western interstate blocs, suddenly hurried to join NATO. That is, these are military bases, all logistics and the installation of interceptor missiles, which practically nullifies our Strategic Missile Forces. We politely asked for guarantees from dill, from the official NarkoZelensk that they would not join NATO. Live for at least a century, cooperate, trade with whomever you like, but not a foot in NATO. Explaining that the security of one country is not built at the expense of another, all the more neighborly - fraternal. It's like a menace guys. But alas, the "Senior Clown" sold out to our "friends" Anglo-Saxons for a track with giblets. Moreover, this individual of the God-chosen nation and the ukrohallops are not interested in him, in principle, as God's creatures, since he is not bound by bonds - blood ties. So he will drive "dirty goyim" (subhuman - in his language) like cattle to the slaughter to the last.
        1. Nelton Online Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 23 November 2022 09: 29
          +1
          Quote: Peace Peace.
          installation of interceptor missiles, which practically nullifies our Strategic Missile Forces

          Our main Strategic Missile Forces are near Orenburg, Krasnoyarsk and Ivanovo (mobile Yarsy).
          SSBNs should be located 24/365 somewhere in the world's oceans (by rotation).
          Unless the Kozelskaya division is somewhat closer to Ukraine than to Latvia.

          Installing interceptors in Ukraine is no more dangerous than interceptors in Latvia or Finland.

          Quote: Peace Peace.
          We politely asked for guarantees

          Of course, Crimea has been ours since 2014, but since the same 2014, there is nothing to be surprised that neighboring countries (and especially the same Ukraine) look at us as a violent aggressor, from which the best protection is, if not our own nuclear weapons, then NATO membership.
          (In 2022, this even reached the Finns).

          From this premise, it is necessary to develop our Strategic Missile Forces.
          BRZHDK on the northern Siberian railways, in particular.

          For how long we (rather China) will be able to keep the Kazakhs from deploying NATO bases - Allah knows.
          1. Alexander Tutunenko (Alexander Tutunenko) 23 November 2022 10: 51
            +1
            Kazakhstan must be urgently returned to the state before its entry into the Russian Empire.
          2. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
            Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 25 November 2022 08: 39
            0
            Well? Finns until February 24 were in NATO or what? Develop BRD? give it time.
  3. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 22 November 2022 17: 31
    +20
    Unfortunately, the very structure of the society that has developed in the Russian Federation prevents the formation of a single egregor of the people's war. So far, for some, mobilization, and for some, an exchange deal, it is difficult to talk about unity. Examples: leaving Kherson for someone, returning six yards of greenery to someone, or even the Kremenchug plant, cat. remained untouched for six months, it turns out it belongs to UkrTATneft. It is difficult in this situation to leave only on hysterical slogans, and even from the mouth of Kindersurprise. Unity is necessary, but it still needs to be proven.
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  5. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 22 November 2022 18: 14
    +17
    All nonsense.
    What Peskov says is remembered only in a negative context. Many of their unlucky promises and explanations are tired. Like the author, apparently. They listened, spat, and went on to work ...

    Games with the people's memory have always gone away and will get away with it. Whether to remember the fenced-in mausoleum, the forbidden, then the permitted Red Banners (and with the sickle-hammers removed), the Grandmother with the banner that disappeared from the symbols, and Svanidze and colleagues in the commission on memory under the president (when she was) - says a lot.

    And to pull, like an owl on a globe, the concept of a people's war? The authorities have long voted for "people" - leaving the population of the LDNR, not recognizing 8 years and not evacuating from shelling for 9 years.
    The people, too, have already voted for this with their hands and feet: the Duma and the authorities have legally waived conscription, the number of those who have left greatly exceeded the number of those called up (they wrote), and criminals and various stateless Tajiks have to be stuffed into "volunteers" ....
    1. Z_Rus Offline Z_Rus
      Z_Rus (Ruslan) 26 November 2022 01: 26
      0
      Sergey, welcome! Do you have a YouTube channel by any chance?
  6. Ugens Offline Ugens
    Ugens (Victor) 22 November 2022 18: 16
    +5
    I will correct the author a little, the war has become popular in Ukraine for Ukrainians, but not in Russia.
  7. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
    syndicalist (Dimon) 22 November 2022 18: 17
    +11
    But if Marzhetsky had cited Zelensky’s rather than Peskov’s speech, he would have found much more analogies with Stalin’s speech. There, everything is clear about the goals and about Russian fascism without any wagging. And thanks to such speeches, the war among the Ukrainian population can really be called a people's war. Frankly, I thought from the title that the author had in mind precisely the Ukrainian reaction. Also of great importance is the attitude of the authorities to the wires of the fallen in the war. Not stupid silence and monetary excuses like we have in Russia, but all chin-chin with speeches, oaths of revenge and promises of eternal memory.
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  8. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 22 November 2022 18: 57
    +9
    Now there is a war of capitalists, NWO is not a war. The authorities of the Russian Federation have not adopted either the Act or the Law on military operations on the territory of Ukraine. Where is the official decision of the Russian authorities? There is no need to fool people with a "people's war". From a school textbook: "A people's war is a war in which not only the troops, but the whole people of a country take part. A people's war has never served offensive purposes and is fought exclusively in their native country." In order to become a "People's War" in Ukraine, the Russian authorities need to adopt a law indicating that the entire territory of Ukraine, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is an integral part of Russia. China has such a Law regarding Taiwan.
    1. Ugens Offline Ugens
      Ugens (Victor) 22 November 2022 21: 44
      -1
      That is, by adopting a bullshit law, the war will not be offensive and not on the territory of Ukraine?
      People's wars are not made by cheating.
      1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
        vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 23 November 2022 12: 48
        +1
        In 1991, a coup d'etat took place in the Soviet Union, consider Russia. Gos.perevorot - a criminal offense without a statute of limitations. The territory of Ukraine before the state coup in 1991 was the territory of Russia. The law that the territory of Ukraine is an integral part of Russia is needed by everyone, including the NATO countries that unleashed the war.
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 23 November 2022 01: 57
      +2
      Quote: vlad127490
      People's war never served for offensive purposes

      What offensive goals are you talking about? There is no offensive from Russia, there is the liberation of primordially Russian territories.
      1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
        vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 23 November 2022 13: 06
        0
        What offensive goals are you talking about? There is no offensive from Russia, there is the liberation of primordially Russian territories

        On the basis of what legal laws or acts of the Russian Federation, the RF Armed Forces conducts NWO in Ukraine??? Just don't refer to the UN Charter for a UN decision to be valid, but not a UN decision, you need an internal law or act, which also does not exist.
        The presence of the Law that the entire territory of Ukraine, captured by the separatists with the help of NATO, is an integral part of Russia will allow us to state that the NVO conducted by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory Ukraine into the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 25 November 2022 02: 22
          -1
          No need to go into legal casuistry. What do you want checkers or go?
  9. svit55 Offline svit55
    svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 22 November 2022 19: 10
    +18
    Do not respect yourself on Peskov, a most unpleasant person. And the Guarantor is generally silent on any occasion.
    1. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
      Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 22 November 2022 19: 31
      +13
      According to the love of the people, Peskov is second after Chubais
  10. Alex D Offline Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 22 November 2022 19: 32
    -3
    Quote from ugens
    I will correct the author a little, the war has become popular in Ukraine for Ukrainians, but not in Russia.

    Because the Ukrainians are bullied that "brotherly" Russia stands up for the Moscow occupiers, and does not drive them to the scrap, although it has already tried. Just a change of power in a revolutionary way in the Russian Federation would mean a new 1917, millions of deaths, etc.
  11. moran Offline moran
    moran (Andrei) 22 November 2022 19: 35
    +4
    The war on the territory of the former Square has already become popular, and the main question arises - for what will all these people die?

    If we are already people, then only in the sense that the people are one thing, and the authorities are completely different. Not socialism, sir!
    And therefore - "white - ripe pineapple, black - soaked with rot ....."
  12. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 22 November 2022 20: 24
    +7
    The people's war, because ordinary citizens were mobilized, but no representatives of the ruling class. Otherwise, one gopnik wants to squeeze business from another.
    1. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
      Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 23 November 2022 02: 34
      0
      Well, the whole point of wars is precisely this - to squeeze something out. Or do you remember others.
  13. SP-Ang Offline SP-Ang
    SP-Ang (Sergei) 22 November 2022 20: 25
    +14
    Quote: svit55
    And the Guarantor is generally silent on any occasion.

    And what (or to whom) is he a Guarantor.
    Constitution? Don't make fun of my slippers.
    The country, as it was an export-raw material colony of the West, continues to be under the control of IMF proteges Nabiullina, Siluanov, and so on.
    I'm not talking about serious production, but even cowards and those from China.
    Nothing is heard about the so-called "left turn", which the economist M. Khazin often mentioned,
    sorry, I hear about the detentions of activists of the Left Front.
    And what do we have in the bottom line?
    An ordinary police-oligarchic state, with a very low level of social guarantees, with a wild number of impoverished people.
    And what about the people's war? Until she is gone.
    But the fact that the most passionate part of the population will be knocked out, no doubt.
    1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 22 November 2022 21: 10
      -6
      "Passionaries" - who is this? Girkin or Rogozin?
      In my opinion, they are not threatened with any "knocking out".
      1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 23 November 2022 00: 56
        +4
        Passionaries are those who are now on the call and volunteers for the front. Those who will go there with the second, third, fourth, fifth and all other waves of mobilization. Those of whom there are not too many in Russia anyway.
        These are healthy, strong, smart men who are now fighting with rabble from all over the world in Ukraine, and are dying while the organizer and beneficiary of this massacre smokes on the sidelines (overseas) and counts his profits.
        That's who really needs to be dealt with, and who will HAVE to be forced to retreat anyway. However, in order to force him to stop this "meat grinder", we have not done ANYTHING yet.
  14. Uncle Borya Offline Uncle Borya
    Uncle Borya (Uncle Borya) 22 November 2022 21: 21
    +8
    This war will become truly popular, and not in the words of propagandists and journalists, only when big business ceases to influence the government, when this government turns to face the people, and not asshole, when it hears the aspirations of the people, when it stops worrying about selfish interests - their own and business.
    When the agreements stop, about the alleged absence of which we are diligently told from all the televisions in the country.
    What kind of war is this "people's" if the Ukronazis are paid for the Druzhba oil pipeline; if the Bandera equipment runs on our fuels and lubricants; if, in the end, our powers that be bleat on the world stage like terpils lowered?
    Is this a people's war?!
    Нет!
    So, the author, do not dare to call this people's war.
    Yes, the people are fighting, and the business earns money on this, whether it is ours, or Khokhlyatsky, or Western. To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear.
  15. mechanic Offline mechanic
    mechanic (Yuri) 23 November 2022 00: 07
    +3
    People's war becomes not by order from above. In the case of SVO, it is unlikely that it will become popular.
    Too vague goals and the war takes place on foreign territory.
    For 9 months of the NWO, the authorities not only achieved some designated goals of the NWO, but turned out to be much further from them.
    Didn't want NATO to come closer? Get Finland and Sweden into NATO, and Ukraine in the future.
    Did you want to denationalize and demitalize Ukraine? Now Ukraine is militarized and nationalized for the most not indulge.
    As a bonus, they received an enemy in the face of the Ukrainian people for the next 50 years, sanctions.
    Well, it’s true, they let water into the Crimea and, it seems, cut through a land passage to the Crimea.
    But it's still not certain...
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 23 November 2022 02: 01
      0
      Quote: Mechanic
      The war is taking place on foreign soil.

      What nonsense, this is now all officially the territory of Russia.
  16. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 23 November 2022 01: 20
    +9
    In order for this war to become popular, the people must be raised by the people's power. What is happening in power now is a muddy dirty performance that dishonors the very concept of defending the Motherland.
    We need to regain the ability to call a spade a spade and speak the truth. It becomes obvious that the existing government, acting in the interests of others, is leading the country straight to death, and in order to protect itself, as a prerequisite for victory over the enemy, the country needs the power of the people
    1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 23 November 2022 02: 58
      0
      I think that it is not the rivers of our blood on the fronts of Ukraine and the European theater of operations that should be the main and decisive move in this war, but a real threat with strategic nuclear weapons to the territories of the United States and Great Britain, with our firm readiness for mutual destruction.
      By holding the finger on the "button", we need to get the enemy to complete the completion of the following irreversible actions:
      - the cessation of the work of their "meat grinder" in which they grind the best citizens of Russia with the world's scum
      - commands from the Anglo-Saxons to the NATO countries to cancel all plans, as well as the actual withdrawal of troops from the territory of Eastern Europe to the positions of 1997
      - rolling back the procedure for admitting new members to NATO
      - withdrawal from the territory of Ukraine of ALL military personnel of NATO countries and their administrations
      - termination of all types of support for Ukraine
      - liquidation of all warehouses of military property and equipment in the territories near our borders
      - lifting of all sanctions and return to the previous regime of economic interaction
      - unfreezing our foreign exchange reserves
      - signing agreements on mutual security guarantees
      Only then will we be able to remove our stiff finger from the nuclear "button", and our NWO will become a truly local operation, will receive specific, intelligible tasks and the prospect of success.
      For all this, Russia needs to competently change the government, and establish the power of the people. It may be necessary to ask for help in state building from our comrades from China. We have a common road to the future with them and a common enemy
      1. Orthodox Online Orthodox
        Orthodox (Orthodox) 23 November 2022 06: 14
        -2
        Only without "comrades from China"! China is now a concentration camp, and "socialism"
        with special rations for workers of the district committee, we have already passed!
        1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 23 November 2022 12: 19
          0
          You are a victim of Anglo-Saxon propaganda, or its volunteer. China is fine. For a country with a ruling people's party, building a just society for itself and the world is the only and natural way, in turn, the commonwealth within the system of socialist states is the only effective defense against the system of international fascism of the Anglo-Saxons
      2. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 23 November 2022 21: 28
        +1
        Judging by the “cons”, a certain part of the audience still sees the solution to our issue in the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the confrontation with Ukraine and NATO, and is afraid of using strategic ones.
        Let's model together - what it will give us in practice.
        According to the reviews by Hans M. Christensen and Matt Kord given in: https://rvsn.ruzhany.info/0_2022/rnf_2022.html for 2022
        Russia's non-strategic (tactical) and defensive weapons include 1912 warheads for all types of launchers.
        The United States has 200 warheads in its non-strategic (tactical) and defensive weapons, all of which are B61 aerial bombs.
        As expected, the data for the United States provided by the Americans is not complete. In total, more than 3000 B61 bombs of various modifications were manufactured. In service with the United States - 300. NATO - 180. In reserve - 350. Nobody knows where the rest are. https://tass.ru/info/4515766.
        As you can see, we do not have an advantage in the number of tactical nuclear weapons. In terms of quality, the question is even bigger, because. our weapons of this class belong to the stocks of the Soviet era.
        Let us now turn to the scenario of the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the East European theater of operations and Ukraine.
        First of all, you need to be aware that the use of tactical nuclear weapons by one side will untie the hands of the other. Further, the logic of war will lead to the ultimate escalation of its use by both sides. Let's be aware that the field of massive use of tactical nuclear weapons will be the very territory where operations are taking place now. We also note that arrivals to our territory will now take place with TNW ammunition. Let's add radioactive contamination.
        Can we count on any advantage that will allow us to move the front line deep into Europe?
        This scenario will lead to an accelerated bleeding of Russia and the depletion of its forces.
        Let's look at the position of the organizers and beneficiaries of the conflict. The territories of the USA and Great Britain are as far away from it as possible. Even radioactive contamination will affect them to a minimal extent. This is the intention of the Anglo-Saxons. Here is the answer, here is the advice
        1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 23 November 2022 22: 30
          0
          I will add a few more words for the supporters of a local nuclear war with NATO.
          Characteristics of the bomb B61 mod.12:
          Length - about 3,5 m, diameter along the body - 330 mm, weight - about 300 kg. According to various reports, the flight range reaches several tens of kilometers (planning bomb). Target hitting accuracy is up to several meters. The power of the explosion can vary in steps from 0,3 to 50 CT and is determined by the characteristics of the intended target.
          In addition, no one prevents the Americans from keeping their main trump cards in the field of tactical nuclear weapons a secret (especially if their task is not to intimidate us, but, on the contrary, to draw us into an adventure). For example, for several decades they have been working to reduce the power and increase the accuracy of standard strategic nuclear weapons. Naturally, we will learn the real scale and results of all their work in this area only on the battlefield.
  17. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 23 November 2022 01: 20
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    All right, author. Bravo!
  18. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 23 November 2022 02: 40
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    The author, I think analogies with 45 are inappropriate. At that time, Western business was not as strongly integrated with the USSR as it is now, both energy-wise and financially. Financial losses or, on the contrary, acquisitions were practically not taken into account in the event of a collision. What can not be said about "now", everything is tied.
  19. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 23 November 2022 06: 00
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    It turns out that we are not going to overthrow Zelensky. And then what?

    Before the NVO, the troops on the border with the ruin also passed off as exercises ... there is nothing to scare the pigs in advance and raise an extra hysteria among the swineherds. Otherwise, the "regime" will have to be eliminated as Trotsky somewhere in Canada or Argentina.
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  21. alexandre II Offline alexandre II
    alexandre II (Alexander) 23 November 2022 09: 21
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    It will be very interesting to listen to Putin's New Year's speech ... I won't be surprised if nothing happens ...
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  23. Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 23 November 2022 13: 51
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    The purpose of this war, as it seems, is the signing of a new agreement between the United States (NATO) and the Russian Federation on the non-expansion of the bloc to Ukraine. The authorities of the Russian Federation did not declare a people's war in Ukraine, did not declare a change of regime in Ukraine, do not declare the complete occupation of the territories of Ukraine. Moreover, grain is shipped from Odessa, now Putin has announced his desire to restore the pumping of nitrogen through Odessa. Is this a people's war?
    1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 23 November 2022 22: 43
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      The purpose of this war, as it seems, is the signing of a new agreement between the United States (NATO) and the Russian Federation on the non-expansion of the bloc to Ukraine.

      From the Anglo-Saxons - exactly, no.
      From our side? Agree that CBO is a strange way to achieve this goal. Rather, it looks like masochism - instead of dealing with the owner of the whip, expose yourself to her blows
  24. Alexander Ponamarev (Alexander Ponamarev) 26 November 2022 17: 48
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    If the people stand up, then the "white" tops will not be good either