The Russians were divided in their opinion regarding the “demonstrative” detention of mobilized


A video published by representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the demonstrative detention of two mobilized, suspected of committing a crime under Art. 333 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, caused a heated discussion with diametrically opposed opinions regarding what happened.


Obviously, the mobilization activities went smoothly and in accordance with the regulations of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, not everywhere. And it is not always possible for the officers to maintain discipline among the officers mobilized in the training units. Probably, it was precisely for educational and preventive purposes that the rather harsh detention of suspects was shown to the public.


Below are selected comments from readers of the Military Review, reflecting their subjective opinion.

First, there is the charter. There is an oath. They are in the army. Obliged to obey the orders of the commander. Otherwise, this is not an army, but a rabble without discipline. Where else are they? In the classroom? Arrest two? Yes. This is a threat by conspiracy, paragraph 2 "a" or "b" of Art. 333, judging by what was read out. These are aggravating circumstances. It seems that's why they held a demonstrative detention on camera

– writes user Nikon7717.

This is not window dressing, this is already a reaction to the window dressing that these two committed, showing off in front of the mobilized team. The fact that the military police adopted them during the general formation is aimed at ensuring that the action has an educational effect.

Nyrobsky agrees.

I draw your attention to what was officially brought to the news by arrest. They repeatedly refused to comply with the order, first given orally, and then in writing (!) Form. That is, there is a fundamental conflict that has been brewing for more than one day, about which both the military investigation and the military prosecutor are aware. The written order was given specifically so that there was material for initiating a case. And the detention on the parade ground is indicative, to maintain the discipline of the mobilized. For every medal has two sides, and along with problems with provision and preparation, there are problems of drunken sprees and so on.

- the reader Chronos shared his opinion.

In fact, the question is: where are the military psychiatrists and psychologists? Yes, I agree, they took an oath and after mobilization they are military personnel who are obliged to obey the entire regulatory framework governing the service. But there are people who simply should not be allowed to take up arms! Why take them at all? They should have been weeded out at the stage of passing the military commission, instead of wasting time on demonstrative flogging and causing unnecessary public outcry

- says futurohunter.

Just someone continues to live a civilian life. He wanted - he said, he wanted - he did. Only the situation is slightly different. And on the front line, this can end badly for yourself and for others. Therefore, the demand is

– writes Lena Petrova.

On the one hand, I understand that the army must be built on iron discipline. But, on the other hand, how can these guys be accused of not understanding why they were torn out of the family and sent to the NVO zone with incomprehensible goals, where no one is in a hurry and has not seriously started anything yet

– on the contrary, believes Glock-17.
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  1. d.zavolokin Offline d.zavolokin
    d.zavolokin (dmitry Dmitry) 21 November 2022 14: 43
    +20
    I am waiting for the responsible officers from the General Staff responsible for the failure of the NMD to be imprisoned as well.
    1. krot Offline krot
      krot (Paul) 22 November 2022 08: 57
      +2
      The Russians were divided in their opinion regarding the “demonstrative” detention of mobilized

      As I understand it, the Russians are divided into "grandmothers" and sane .. If there is democracy in the army and voting on each order with decision-making as in the State Duma for a month, then any "Poland" will capture us a month before the Urals .. Bad people!
    2. Igor_E Offline Igor_E
      Igor_E (Igor) 22 November 2022 14: 08
      +1
      I am waiting for the responsible officers from the General Staff responsible for the failure of the NMD to be imprisoned as well.

      The network has long had publications from respected people that the failure of the SVO was commissioned by the thieving oligarch R. Abramovich, so the General Staff members will not be punished.
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        1. Igor_E Offline Igor_E
          Igor_E (Igor) 22 November 2022 19: 50
          +1
          For me, the words of Konstantin Sivkov are of greater significance than your empty comment. In the next video from October 5 (the first 15 minutes), Sivkov talks about the reasons for the failure of the SVO, and mentions Abramovich at the 14th minute.
          https://tsargrad.tv/news/prosto-biznes-nichego-lichnogo-o-cinichnom-sryve-zadach-svo-zajavil-sivkov_638887
          1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 22 November 2022 22: 43
            0
            Igor, if Sivkov continues to carry such a blizzard, then we may no longer see him on TV, because this person, no matter what post he holds, contradicts the plans of the president with his statements. It was Putin who sent Abramovich on a responsible mission which *forgot* to notify some Sivkov or whatever. But I still want to ask you - so why did Abramovich actually go to Istanbul?
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 22 November 2022 22: 33
      0
      d.zavolokik, let it be known to you that the NWO has really begun, and you are already going to jail the officers of the General Staff for the failure of the NWO. Isn't it too fast there in Ukraine that they decided who how much to sit for *failure*? Funny!
  2. Michael 68 Offline Michael 68
    Michael 68 21 November 2022 15: 14
    +14
    Officially we have no war. Then why such rigidity? Let the authorities first answer the question of what is going on with us. And then we care about strangers. But we beat our own. Why are we rewarded for the loss of 350 billion. And for a civil position punish. Yes, the army needs discipline. But you also need an understanding for the sake of what all these orders are? For the defense of the motherland. Or for the sake of our generals continuing to play tin soldiers. At the same time using them as mobilized? Let our generals first answer for the deaths of military personnel. Occurred formally in peacetime. And what will happen in the military then? And the most interesting thing is that no one said exactly what orders they refused to carry out. Or maybe they are right? And the generals again cover up their incompetence or theft with the help of secrecy?
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 22 November 2022 22: 00
      +1
      That's your liberal insides, Michael. People like you ran around the squares against the civil authorities and mocked the police, and do you think that in the Army you will also have the right to swing about freedom and human rights against the already military authorities? Nah, it’s in civilian life with you that the authorities nursed in the army, these numbers will not work for you. And before the executions, some will be interrogated, so that other freethinkers would be discouraged.
    2. Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
      Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 28 November 2022 13: 54
      +1
      There is no time in the army to analyze political events and discuss the actions of the command. Two insolent people decided that nothing would happen to them if they started being rude and ignoring the orders of the commander. Let them say thank you that they were arrested, otherwise they could be sent to the front line as the coolest and let them be rude to Ukrainian officers there. They might even punch them in the face. If they are good fellows against the good fellow.
  3. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 21 November 2022 15: 47
    +2
    Quote: Michael 68
    Then why such rigidity?

    In this you saw "cruelty"? Explain.
    1. Ugens Offline Ugens
      Ugens (Victor) 21 November 2022 16: 26
      +2
      Twisting their arms and putting on handcuffs is excessive cruelty, so far they have only been detained, not arrested, and have not resisted.
      1. krot Offline krot
        krot (Paul) 22 November 2022 09: 01
        -4
        Twisting their arms and putting on handcuffs is excessive cruelty, so far they have only been detained, not arrested, and have not resisted.

        If every criminal is taken "please" during the arrest, as in the movie "Judge Dreid", then the lafa will come to crime! )) And the army has the same laws, only they are tougher! The army is fighting, albeit on a "special operation"!

        Officially, we have no war. Then why such rigidity?

        And for your information, if there is an official war, then for failure to comply with the order - execution!
        If you had asked your grandfather if he had been alive, he would have said where the holes in the bread came from .. Unless, of course, he fought on the side of the Nazis ..
        So it was excessive courtesy, not harshness ..
        1. Ugens Offline Ugens
          Ugens (Victor) 22 November 2022 09: 28
          +2
          The detainee is not yet a criminal.
          This is for educational program.
  4. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 21 November 2022 18: 12
    -6
    You do not want to die for the power and property of thieves - in prison.
    1. krot Offline krot
      krot (Paul) 22 November 2022 09: 07
      +2
      You do not want to die for the power and property of thieves - in prison.

      First of all, our soldiers die, and it's you who will die!
      Secondly, we are fighting for our freedom and the right to do as we want, and not geyropa and Anglo-Saxons!
    2. AlexMalysh Offline AlexMalysh
      AlexMalysh (Alexander) 22 November 2022 09: 35
      0
      You know, my friend lives in the Belgorod region. Porasskazyval ........ Answer already then about what to do yourself - you will, when specifically to YOUR property everything will come down ???? Judging by the remark, you will declare that you still do not intend to die for power.
      1. krot Offline krot
        krot (Paul) 22 November 2022 18: 40
        +1
        You have crests everywhere friends in the regions .. We will kill you soon
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 22 November 2022 22: 54
      -1
      prior, so maybe the hope for prison and not for execution as an excuse to die for the power and property of thieves? But what about these wise men when they still have to die for * power and property ... * Moderate their ambitions to get to the front and surrender to become a policeman, if they don’t already kill them? No, war is a choice and it immediately becomes clear who is who.
  5. DeadPahom Offline DeadPahom
    DeadPahom (Eugene) 22 November 2022 05: 48
    +1
    Commentators at least read Art. 333 before lamenting about unnecessarily harsh detention.
    1. kot711 Offline kot711
      kot711 (vov) 22 November 2022 10: 20
      0
      than lament about unnecessarily harsh detention.,,
      Was he resisting or trying to run?
  6. Vadim Sharygin Offline Vadim Sharygin
    Vadim Sharygin (Citizen) 22 November 2022 10: 04
    +12
    But those commanders of the rear of our army, who are guilty of the shortage of tens of thousands of sets of uniforms, as the media wrote about, can they also be arrested before the mobilized line?
  7. DeadPahom Offline DeadPahom
    DeadPahom (Eugene) 22 November 2022 10: 37
    +2
    Quote: kot711
    Was he resisting or trying to run?

    Judging by the article, he has already used violence, or threatened to use it. It's enough. Apparently, you have never seen a hard detention in your life.
  8. zuuukoo Offline zuuukoo
    zuuukoo (Sergei) 22 November 2022 12: 12
    +2
    Well, things seem to have moved off the ground.
    You see, it will come to the demonstrative arrests of those brilliant strategists who planned to take Kharkov by company forces or 2 times ruined people when crossing the Seversky Donets near Belogorovka. Or they carried out mobilization and were responsible for supplying "mobiles" in the DPR and LPR.

    Arrested, maybe they threatened someone, but they definitely didn’t kill anyone.
    And these hands are covered in blood not only to the elbow, but to the very shoulders. And in the blood of our soldiers.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 22 November 2022 21: 49
      -1
      zuuukooo, you know better from Ukraine, you better not throw your predva where there is not enough knowledge of the situation on the ground. And your - our soldiers are ukrofascists?
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 22 November 2022 22: 59
      -1
      zuuukooo, you know better from Ukraine, you better not throw your prejudice where there is not enough knowledge of the situation on the ground. And your - our soldiers are ukrofascists?
  9. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 22 November 2022 12: 25
    +6
    Discipline is needed.
    But as they say, the devil is in the details. What were the orders they were detained for? and what will happen next?

    But oh, the little things. The country does not depend on them at all. And it depends on the Serdyukovs, Medvedevs, Sobchaks, friends of the mother, and other "effective managers". They didn’t announce about keeping at least someone and for something ...
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 22 November 2022 21: 44
      -1
      Sergei, there will be something, they will detain and announce, be calm. And about Sobchakov, who are you talking about?
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 November 2022 22: 58
        0
        About everyone. There is a whole clan of them. And not weak - "Family Friends"

        Daughter (was a presidential candidate) and mother (acting senator) are in sight, but full and out of sight of people ...
  10. Sofia Zezina Offline Sofia Zezina
    Sofia Zezina (Sofia Zezina) 22 November 2022 14: 02
    +3
    I would like to draw attention not to the very ostentatious detention with the wringing of hands, despite the fact that the servicemen did not show resistance, but to the formation of the military, to their uniforms, who is in what. I am sure that the preparation is not all good. They probably let them shoot a horn of cartridges at an imaginary target and go to the front. Therefore, it is not surprising that what kind of army is such and discipline. I would like to see the detention of persons who are obliged to provide military personnel with everything necessary, but in our army this is fantastic, since these persons are all heroes of Russia. All Russian publics condemn Ukraine for throwing untrained fighters into battle like cannon fodder, and our army does the same.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 22 November 2022 17: 01
      0
      When it is not known about all the circumstances and grounds for the arrest, to argue is only to crush water in a mortar. The fact that the arrest was made before the line, the reasons are solid. According to motley uniforms, these are mobilized before changing clothes and issuing property. The first period, when it becomes clear who is who and how they relate to the service. Some even fell under the articles of the Criminal Code and other violations, which we see.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 22 November 2022 21: 41
      -1
      Will we show the facts, Sophia, or, as usual, just to blurt out mud?
  11. ivan_zaycew Offline ivan_zaycew
    ivan_zaycew (Ivan) 22 November 2022 17: 12
    +1
    Public, demonstrative spanking. Once, before the formation, they flogged, shot, and hung. It's the same here.
  12. vicvic Offline vicvic
    vicvic (VicVic) 22 November 2022 19: 07
    +2
    Well, well, what another division of opinion in an obvious question. Such greyhound goats, unwilling to serve in accordance with the Charter, and even openly disobeying, it is simply necessary and obligatory to knock off their horns in public.
  13. svit55 Offline svit55
    svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 22 November 2022 19: 32
    +1
    333 "during the period of mobilization .... shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of five to fifteen years." On merit. The army is order, if you don't like it - write a report. Before the formation, this is a demonstration of serious intentions.
  14. Alex D Offline Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 22 November 2022 19: 37
    -1
    It’s just that these people don’t want to fight for corrupt officials in power and what for the land surrendered to them when you can’t do anything with it without money (in fact, the country is not Russian, but English). And the Anglo-Saxons do not want to work slavishly to death for colonial managers!
    From the Russian in power is only the name of the country and the language. And the country is no longer ours since 1917.
    The people had to go to the NOD with demands on the authorities before the start of the NWO.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 22 November 2022 21: 33
      +1
      With what requirements, eh, Alex D? Et you from Ukraine like our corrupt government? and its own ukrofascist - the people's not corrupt, which has already killed hundreds of thousands for billions of the West and America? Think if there is anything.
  15. Uncle Borya Offline Uncle Borya
    Uncle Borya (Uncle Borya) 22 November 2022 22: 52
    0
    For crests, everything is simple - execution. As a result, they have, if not a highly motivated army, ready to die for the ukroreich, but there are also few who want to die because of some violations of discipline or because of cowardice. Therefore, the discipline is at the level. Although our propagandists and journalists tell us the opposite.
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  17. Daniel P Offline Daniel P
    Daniel P (Danil P) 23 November 2022 06: 06
    0
    First, just as harshly, on camera, it was necessary to arrest the Chief Logistics Officer and the Chief of Staff, under whom a lot was stolen, and not only stolen ... And then ask the mobilized, who for 20 years were told about the "professional" contract army, for which they have been paying taxes all these years, and which turned out to be not only unable to protect them, complete the task, but even provide the necessary clothing, equipment, etc.