The zone of fire damage is the whole of Ukraine: how did the negotiations between the heads of intelligence of the United States and the Russian Federation end

Question to the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov: “How can you comment on the fact of secret negotiations in Ankara between the Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service, Sergei Naryshkin, and his American counterpart, CIA Director William Burns?”

Peskov, in the best diplomatic traditions, beautifully evaded the answer:

I can neither confirm nor deny reports of talks between Russia and the United States in Ankara

- he told reporters at a daily briefing held on Monday, November 14th.

Nevertheless, the negotiations, which were not publicly announced in advance and which became the first personal meeting of representatives of the United States and the Russian Federation after the outbreak of hostilities in Ukraine, took place in the Turkish capital on November 14. For those who have forgotten, I will remind you that the last time the Russian and American delegations met at this level was on January 10, 2022 in Geneva. This was the last attempt of the parties to reach an agreement before the war. She ended in failure. What happened after a month and a half, you know - the SVO began.

Nobody wanted war. However, it was inevitable because the US wanted it.

Who forgot the history of the issue, I will remind you again. William Burns (66 years old) is a professional diplomat (doctoral student at Oxford), from 2005 to 2008 he headed the US diplomatic mission in Moscow as Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary (fluent in Russian), from 2011 to 2014 - US Deputy Secretary of State. Since March 19, 2021, he has taken over as director of the CIA in the Joe Biden administration, becoming the first professional diplomat to head this service. Six months after that, on November 2, 2021, for the first time in this capacity he visited Moscow on a two-day visit (attention - two-day visits are not just carried out!), Having personal meetings with his colleague Naryshkin and Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Patrushev. A month before this visit, in early October, he secretly visited Kyiv, where he had a meeting with President Zelensky. It is noteworthy that during the Moscow voyage, right during the negotiations with Patrushev, he had a half-hour internal telephone conversation with Vladimir Putin.

The result of this conversation was the speech of the President of Russia on November 18, 2021 at the expanded board of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, where he called on the domestic diplomatic corps to intensify their efforts to convey the Russian position to overseas colleagues about our concern about the behavior of NATO near the borders of the Russian Federation to draw their interests into the orbit and Ukraine. Further events spun truly with kaleidoscopic speed. Less than a month later, on December 10, the Russian Foreign Ministry rolled out a list of demands to our sworn "partners", which they called Putin's ultimatum and which Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov immediately, contrary to the rules adopted in diplomacy, made public at his briefing for Russian and foreign journalists, which is why our "partners" fell into a state of extreme anguish.

And they had reason to grieve, not only were these demands expressed in an ultimatum form and offered for consideration in a package without the right to select items they liked and cut off those they did not like, a monthly deadline was also set, after which our proposals became invalid and, as another deputy Sergey Lavrov Alexander Grushko, Russia in this case reserves the right to take measures of a military and military-technical nature. It seemed to me then that after such a demarche at the other end of the ocean, someone really felt bad. And it seemed so not only to me (we were all overwhelmed with joyful emotions then). How wrong we all were then!

The deadline has passed. Exactly 30 days later, to the same day, on January 10, 2022, the same meeting between Burns and Naryshkin took place in Geneva, with which I began my story. No compromise was reached, and a month and a half later, the NWO began. But a compromise could not be reached, because the American side did not at all strive for it. Burns simply put his colleague Naryshkin in front of this reinforced concrete fact, ignoring all our proposals, with which he left for Washington.

Everything secret sooner or later becomes clear

Why am I so confident about this? Because right now, thanks to the efforts of our hackers, one very interesting document has surfaced, prepared by the RAND corp. January 25, 2022. Its recipients include the NSA, the CIA, the State Department and the leadership of the US Democratic Party. It is worth noting that RAND corp. - this is not an ordinary organization, it is the largest analytical tank (center) in the United States, which since 1948 has been operating in the interests of the Pentagon, the CIA, the State Department and the White House, which employs 1,9 thousand employees who combine this activity with the service in government agencies and top management of the United States in senior management positions (among RAND employees at different times there were 32 Nobel laureates, mainly in physics and the economy). Most of the corporation's research is strictly classified, as it is devoted to national security issues. This report is no exception.

The author of the report is unknown, but it doesn't matter. It is important that in the document itself. It is unambiguously titled: "Saving America by Weakening Germany". It is written there in English letters in black and white that the economic situation in America is such that it cannot survive without material and financial resources from outside. The author argues that at the moment there are only two sources from which these resources can be withdrawn - China and the European Union. But due to the fact that the PRC is a subject of the world policy and international law, it will be extremely problematic to withdraw these resources from it. She will not do this voluntarily, and it is too late to do it by force. Unlike the EU, which over the 30 years of its existence has not become a full-fledged subject of world politics, since its founders still remain disenfranchised vassals of the United States (especially militarily), although they try hard, puffing out their cheeks, not to show it.

I quote the original source:

The current state of the US economy does not allow us to assume that it will be able to exist without financial and material support from the outside world.

The author believes that the reason for this is too wide printing of money during the covid crisis of 2020-2021. She, in his opinion, created a surplus of dollars, which must be compensated for in some way. He proposes to do this at the expense of Europe. And since the well-being of Europe, in particular Germany as its locomotive, is based on cheap Russian energy resources and French electricity, the author proposes the most banal solution - to destroy this cooperation. I quote the original source:

An increase in the flow of resources from Europe to the US should be expected if Germany begins to experience a controlled economic crisis. The rate of economic development of the European Union almost without alternative depends on the state of the German economy, and it depends on Russian resources and French electricity.

The author suggests dealing with cheap French electricity by increasing the cost of Canadian and Australian fuel for the French, and cutting off the flow of cheap Russian energy resources through war. Guess where and with whom.

The only possible way to guarantee Germany's refusal of Russian energy carriers is to involve both sides in a military conflict in Ukraine. Our further actions in this country (he means Ukraine) will inevitably lead to a military response from the Russian Federation. Russia will obviously not be able to leave the massive pressure of the Ukrainian army on the republics of Donbass without a military response, which will allow us to present Russia as an aggressor, and then impose the entire package of sanctions against it that has already been prepared.

The author of the report is convinced that the adoption of such restrictions against the Russian Federation will deprive Germany of access to Russian energy resources, which will result in an inevitable crisis in Germany itself. The losses of the latter can approximately reach €200-300 billion. According to the author of the report, this will lead to the collapse of European industry, the growth of unemployment and the migration of educated Europeans to the United States. As a result, the American economy will be able to receive additional income of $7-9 trillion. And voila - everyone is happy, everyone is laughing (except for Europeans and Ukrainians, of course, but these are no longer US problems). As you can see, everything is simple with them - sleight of hand and no fraud.

Now tell me what part of that plan hasn't come to fruition yet? Germany is already without Russian gas, and Volkswagen AG and BASF SE are considering plans to move their production to America. For those who doubt the existence of such a plan, I would like to remind you that the draft law on Lend-Lease for Ukraine was submitted to the US Congress by Grandpa Joe on January 19, 2022, a month before the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine.

bifurcation point. What ended the negotiations between the heads of intelligence of the United States and Russia

So, you remembered the backstory. Now is the time to explain why I even pulled out of the naphthalene the history of meetings between the directors of the special services of the Russian Federation and the United States. Their third secret meeting in Ankara was presented to us as consultations at the level of intelligence chiefs on the management of nuclear risks and risks of strategic stability, the second issue allegedly was negotiations on the return of US citizens illegally detained in the Russian Federation from among the mercenaries. Do you believe in these fables? And what, for this it was necessary to go to Ankara? This could also be discussed over the phone. What was the third question? More precisely, the first, because for the sake of him this bodyaga was started. And this is where the fun begins.

It is worth noting that the beginning of this week turned out to be eventful in general. Here you have the G20 summit that started in Bali, and the 4-hour meeting of the US President with President Xi that took place on its sidelines, and the visit by the Unshaven Clown, together with half of his team, to Kherson, just abandoned by our troops, and the virtual “landing” of Ukrainian troops on Kinburnskaya Spit, and the same virtual "exit" of the advanced units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the left bank of the Dnieper. All this ended with an unprecedented Russian missile attack since the beginning of the NMD on the energy infrastructure of Nezalezhnaya, which plunged 15 of its cities into darkness and chaos. And behind all this tinsel, no one paid attention to the most important event, which will become decisive for the course of the entire further military campaign in Ukraine for the next year and a half.

Recently, my readers scolded me for inaccurate forecasts, finding some contradictions in them. But, my friends, the claims against me are clearly not about my salary, I do not have a direct connection with the Kremlin, as well as an indirect connection, please contact the Hydrometeorological Center for accurate forecasts, I just analyze the facts as they become available, and it’s not my fault that The Kremlin does not explain anything to anyone, not to you, not to me, not even to itself. How many of you were sure that we would not leave Kherson? And where is your confidence now? Until recently, I was also sure that this was an element of a cunning plan with a trap for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Or, rather, hoped so. The truth turned out to be much more prosaic - a bridgehead on the right bank is necessary for an attack on Nikolaev - Odessa - Transnistria, then it makes sense to hold it. And if there are no such plans (due to objective circumstances, we now have no time for offensives), then we need to surrender the bridgehead, level the front line, and it is desirable to manage without losses in manpower and technology.

General Surovikin carried out this plan. I am sure that it was agreed at the highest level long before its implementation, they were only waiting for mid-term elections in the United States, so as not to play along with the Democrats with their withdrawal of troops. They didn’t play along, they did everything for themselves quite well, retaining an advantage in the Senate and minimizing the victory of the “elephants” in the lower house of Congress with the help of a falsified vote by mail. And these “donkeys” got away with everything again (“donkeys” are the symbol of the US Democratic Party, “elephants” are the symbol of the Republicans, if anyone does not know), an extremely successful allegory - the Democrats fully correspond to their symbol.

Any war is subject to its unwritten laws, and if you do not know anything about them, then this is not a reason not to follow them. One of these laws prescribed the end of the war within 100 days. When we passed this stage, the next marker could be the milestone of 9 months. He could become, but he might not, but it was definitely clear that the war would not end between these two reference points. And so it happened. And now in Ankara it was determined whether the war would stop at the mark of 9 months or not (this period expires on November 24). And all this time you have been looking anywhere but at Ankara. They followed, with their mouths open, what the Alzheimer's patient said to Chairman Xi, what he answered him, and what red carpet they walked on (grandfather Joe was humiliated by the host again - they didn’t even lay the red carpet on the plane’s gangway); what the Kyiv client of an Alzheimer's patient said in his address to the G81 and how many times he scratched his nose at the same time (it can be seen that the client is very “pinned”, the supply of “ammunition” from Colombia, apparently, is again delayed); how the UN General Assembly voted on the resolution on the payment of reparations by the Russian Federation to Ukraine, who was in favor and who abstained (Turkey and Hungary, by the way, voted in favor, how do you like such a turn?), Knowing for sure that we will not pay any reparations in any case. In the meantime, the fate of the war was being decided in the Turkish capital a day after the bloody terrorist attack carried out by the Americans in its largest city, Istanbul, which killed and maimed dozens of innocent people (six killed and XNUMX wounded at the moment). Official Ankara refused to accept condolences from Washington, pointing out that she knows who is behind the tragedy. But with all this, we were interested in something completely different.

The first face-to-face meeting of the current CIA director with his Russian counterpart on November 2-3, 2021 in Moscow ended with the announcement of an ultimatum by Putin. The second face-to-face meeting on January 10, 2022 in Geneva - the announcement of the CBO. Putin no longer pinned any special hopes on the third face-to-face meeting of intelligence chiefs, given the disposition on the board - holding the positions of the Democrats in the internal political confrontation with the Republicans, which would result in maintaining the military agenda for at least another year or two, until the changing of the guard in White House. And the arrival of the Republicans there at the end of 2024 also does not promise us much hope, due to the current bipartisan consensus on this issue. The recent victories of Ukrainian weapons on the battlefields of Nezalezhnaya and our forced “regroupings” (not to say retreats) evoke any feelings on the opposite side, but not the desire to negotiate, so only the very naive can hope that their curators will insist on the opposite people. And since Putin is not such, he did not go to the GXNUMX summit that started in Bali, sending Lavrov in his place, and did not pin much hopes on the meeting between Burns and Naryshkin. What, in fact, happened - Burns brought the black mark of the Russian Federation, the war will continue until the complete victory of one of the parties.

The Americans are not stupid at all, they have no illusions about who this side can become, and the victory of Ukraine is not included in their plans at all. Their plans include making this victory more expensive for Russia and, as a result, strengthening Putin’s political problems inside the country, which could lead, if not to the collapse of the Russian Federation, then at least to the resignation of the president and a change in the political leadership of the Russian Federation. And so the war will continue, and if for this it will be necessary to supply longer-range missiles or Abrams tanks with F-16 fighters and A-10 attack aircraft, then they will be delivered. It will be necessary, the Germans will also drive their Leopards-2, they are no strangers to conquering Russia.

Why am I so confident about this? The answer is simple. The rocket attack, which drove Nezalezhnaya back into the stone age, occurred right during the G20 summit. This was a warning, no, not for Zelensky and not for the G2,9, but for Europe and the United States. To create problems for them, it is not at all necessary to bomb Ukraine with nuclear weapons (this is our land and we plan to live there). But what they will do with the waves of migration that will inevitably overwhelm neighboring countries, let them think, and at the same time figure out how much it will cost them. Already, Ukraine is costing the US $300 million an hour. How many more hours of war do they expect? And so that they had no doubts about this, Naryshkin went straight from Ankara to Tehran without stopping by Moscow. Do you think he did this without first agreeing the route with the Kremlin? This means that the course for Tehran was taken back in Moscow. Therefore, the appearance of Iranian ballistic missiles with a range of 700-XNUMX km on the Ukrainian theater is only a matter of time. I do not think that such a prospect smiles at the conqueror of snowy paths from the Kyiv bunker.

Literally a week before Naryshkin's trip, on November 9, his senior comrade, Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, Nikolai Patrushev, paid an unofficial visit to the capital of Iran, who held talks there with his Iranian counterpart, Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council Ali Shamkhani. The topic of negotiations, presumably, could be the transfer of ballistic missiles Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar to Russia. Also, perhaps, the technological assistance of the Russian Federation in the implementation of Iran's nuclear program was discussed. I am writing “probably” because no one knows what the secretaries of the security councils of Russia and Iran really talked about, since the negotiations were closed. If the war continues, Patrushev and Naryshkin's visits to Pyongyang will also come to mind (Russia suddenly found itself in short supply of even 122-mm artillery shells).

But none of us will get any better because the war runs the risk of dragging on for years. Regretfully, your Mr. Z.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 17 November 2022 08: 18
    Yes, yes. Nobody wanted it, we have been preparing for it since the age of 14 (remember the stream of cartoons, 2000 Armat, petrel, terminator, Poseidon, import of money into Ukraine, etc.), but the West is still to blame, Yusa and agent trump with Biden.

    To which Russia is still selling oil and solarium, so that they supply it to Ukraine ...

    HPP what can I say..
    1. Pilot Offline Pilot
      Pilot (Pilot) 18 November 2022 02: 49
      Exactly. And they entered the war practically unprepared on the tales of unknown people who promised explosives two weeks before Kyiv. And now 350 yards of shallows, the cruiser Moskva was sunk and the pipelines were blown up. Is it like they are not afraid of us at all?
  2. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 17 November 2022 08: 35
    Why do we need Iranian missiles? Isn't it difficult for us to increase production?
    I work at the Roskosmos enterprise, our employees don’t care at all whether to assemble upper stages with satellites or Iskander with calibers. There is a technical base, there is an experienced staff.
    I can say that in a short time at other aviation enterprises it is possible to launch the production of missiles or their components, for subsequent assembly at specialized enterprises.
    I heard that NPO Energomash reduced the number of working days for some employees (due to the refusal of the Americans from our engines), give them technology, in a month they will start riveting components and components for rockets like pies.
    1. Pravodel Offline Pravodel
      Pravodel (ppp) 17 November 2022 08: 59
      Why do we need Iranian missiles?

      Dear Muskool (Glory), any expansion of production requires money, time and labor. If everything is clear with money, we can find where to get extra time to quickly restart production, create free capacities: get equipment, install networks, etc. With the equipment in general the whole question ... The last problem is the labor force. Even if the issue of equipment is resolved, then with the labor force it is generally an ambush: there is no one to work, the Russian labor market is empty thanks to the effective managers of the dashing 90s, who destroyed vocational and secondary specialized education. Add to this the depopulation of the population that exists in Russia and it will immediately become clear that there will simply be no one to work at new industries. And this is a colossal problem for Russia ... You can build it like under Comrade. I.V. Stalin has a lot of new industries, but where to get the labor force to work in these industries?...
      1. lance is gone Offline lance is gone
        lance is gone (lance) 17 November 2022 10: 45
        the answer is simple: the reservation will do its job, half will even return from abroad.
        1. Cetron Offline Cetron
          Cetron (Peteris) 17 November 2022 22: 21
          What is the use of office hamsters in production? To teach the basics, you need two to three months (one operation on the conveyor). To get a skilled worker, a minimum of two years. And professional selection, not everyone else is good. Does Russia have this time?
      2. Dingo Offline Dingo
        Dingo (Victor) 17 November 2022 12: 26
        Can be built as with Comrade. I.V. Stalin has a lot of new industries, but where to get the labor force to work in these industries?...

        Quite right! Not only do we have a "demographic failure" every quarter of a century (WWII), but also artisans "from education" tried with their "lap dog" (Bastrykin, by virtue of his position, even when he warned about this!). And all sorts of "lawyers-economists - managers" and other "victims of the Unified State Examination" cannot be put on CNC machines ...
        And where to get them, these machines? Here the liberals fussed ...

        1. Pilot Offline Pilot
          Pilot (Pilot) 18 November 2022 02: 51
          No... well, our guarantor and Chub worked together before. Therefore, this thief calmly left. And the people, what about the people?
      3. Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
        Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 18 November 2022 16: 08
        Menagerov to retrain and the Komsomol ticket to Life!
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 17 November 2022 09: 48
      Muskul, have you seen the performance characteristics of these missiles? we don’t have such ones - they all fell under the INF Treaty, it won’t be possible to launch the production quickly, time is not playing on us, missiles were needed yesterday, like communications, like UAVs, Iranians - well done on their knees blinded our and Chinese missiles very good ground-to-ground missiles, with a very decent QUO (we have it worse!) And an increased warhead. Shooting down these missiles is not so easy, some have already tried. Guess who?
      1. lance is gone Offline lance is gone
        lance is gone (lance) 17 November 2022 10: 50
        we have the opportunity to expand the production of the same pioneer, but the iskander is better, more mobile and requires less cost to expand production. but it is foolish to refuse Iranian missiles and shells from the DPRK. the stock, as you know, has not bothered anyone yet
      2. Muscool Offline Muscool
        Muscool (Glory) 18 November 2022 09: 41
        Strange, for some reason I don't get notifications from comments.
        It won't work quickly, but it's worth trying at least slowly.
        Iskanders with a range of 500 km, if launched from the Belogorod or Bryansk region, cover the entire left bank, and if launched from Belarus, then the entire right bank.
        Another question is, why do you think the point - y is not reopened? After all, we obviously have the N-th number of complexes in warehouses?
        Although D-1 guns appear at the front for Dasha, but no points are visible
    3. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 17 November 2022 21: 16
      so satellites are needed even more than calibers
  3. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 17 November 2022 11: 34
    Unfortunately, the author of the article does not see the system in the ongoing events, and therefore is not able to convey it. His thoughts are dumped into the article like pasta in a pan, and also mixed up. Each individually - can be interesting, but together - chaos. The meaning of the article is not clear
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 17 November 2022 12: 35
      well, where are we before you ... only you look at the root ... all of you are traitors and cowards, you alone are a d * artagnan ... as a rule, all such d * artagnans cannot move a closet at home, but everyone knows how to manage the state ...

      The problem with this world is that well-mannered people are full of doubts and idiots are full of confidence.

      (Charles Bukowski)

      What a pity that all the people who know how to run the state are already working as hairdressers or taxi drivers

      (Francois Mitterrand)
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 17 November 2022 14: 17
        If a person is honest, it is not necessary to call him d'Artagnan. There are many of these now. Some of them write articles. Including here. Our time is rapidly sorting people into stripes of Good and Evil
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 17 November 2022 17: 13
          unfortunately, even not everyone allows me to say, the RKN vigilantly monitors compliance with the rules of the game, here the war can be called a war for no reason, and you are going to cut the truth, and I have a lot of complaints about GDP, starting from 2014, what's the point?!
  4. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 17 November 2022 12: 18
    the economic situation in America is such that it cannot survive without material and financial resources from outside

    mantras on the topic "America in crisis" have long been set on edge.

    to the collapse of European industry

    Well, if there is a decline in GDP by 5%, will this be presented as a "collapse"?
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 17 November 2022 12: 37
      Oleg, all claims against RAND Corp.
      in the EU, industrial inflation is 50-67% on average, the smallest in France is 28%, in the USA it is similar
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 17 November 2022 14: 17
        Yes, it is clear that the respected author works with the material that is available.
        It is read in one breath.

        But we would like to understand what is happening to our economy.
        As impartial as possible.
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 18 November 2022 14: 29
        In the US, inflation is lower, only about 8%. It was (temporarily) brought down before the elections due to the unpacking of oil reserves (as a result, lower fuel prices) and the outflow of capital from Europe.
        The outflow of capital will end soon, Biden will no longer be allowed to pump oil from strategic reserves, the elections are over. That's when the main events begin.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 November 2022 14: 59
          8% consumer inflation, and I was talking about industrial inflation, it is more than 20%
  5. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 17 November 2022 14: 16
    the war risks dragging on for years

    This is not beneficial to Russia. We have to meet within a year.
    In theory, there will be two more major battles where the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be defeated. This year near Zaporozhye. In the middle of the next one there, but already crests will be with "Abrams, F-16, A-10, Leopards" Although there may not be a second battle.
    And everything else according to plan: CHAOS in Ukraine. Peacekeepers (how can I get this word), but otherwise we will not put the Nazis outside the legal field. And they will resist in the cities..
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 17 November 2022 15: 23
      Quote: gene1
      We have to meet within a year

      It doesn't matter anymore, in a year or in 10, we will win or not.
      In any case (up to the white-blue-white flag), access to high-tech equipment, components, technologies will not be returned to us in the previous volumes, but in a greatly truncated one - and so you can get it.
      Export - access to the US / EU markets, again, they will not return to us in full, being terribly afraid of becoming again dependent on supplies from the Russian Federation.
      Those. for any it is necessary to reorient to Asia / Africa / Latin America.
      And of course, the domestic market.

      In the short term, the Russian economy has already passed the stress test.
      In the medium term (~5 years) - so far, taking into account paragraph 1, something insurmountable is not visible.
      1. gene1 Offline gene1
        gene1 (Gennady) 17 November 2022 16: 14
        Quote from Nelton.
        Quote: gene1
        We have to meet within a year

        It doesn't matter anymore, in a year or in 10, we will win or not.

        The author pointed out why it is not worth delaying: the supply of modern weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The result could be constant strikes against continental Russia. tension in our society. The death of our soldiers on the line of contact. There's no point in dragging it out. A year is enough to brainwash Ukrainians, Europeans and oligarchs (Russian and Ukrainian).
        1. Nelton Offline Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 17 November 2022 16: 36
          Quote: gene1
          The author pointed out why it is not worth delaying: the supply of modern weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

          If they wanted to, they would have put it a long time ago.
          My t.z. - The Americans cannot allow the country they have taken under guardianship to suffer a complete defeat.
          Too strong a blow to the image of the world hegemon.
          But escalation, up to the use of nuclear weapons, is also completely not in their interests.
          Hence the compromises, in the form of the absence of highmars strikes on the territory of the Russian Federation-2021.

          But if suddenly the Russian army begins to occupy one base after another, then yes, the supply of weapons will increase until a balance is reached. And they will last 2 weeks maximum.
          1. gene1 Offline gene1
            gene1 (Gennady) 17 November 2022 17: 13
            Quote from Nelton.
            Quote: gene1
            The author pointed out why it is not worth delaying: the supply of modern weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

            If they wanted to, they would have put it a long time ago.

            In Istanbul, negotiations led to an increase in "rates" - we started turning off the lights, but what about the Americans? I think they supply the above weapons
          2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
            Volkonsky (Vladimir) 17 November 2022 17: 20
            about this just in the next. text (I wrote it, then I had to postpone it due to a meeting in Ankara), there will be a general overview - a flight over the cuckoo's nest
  6. Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 17 November 2022 14: 16
    CBO - the main result, a lot of chatter and not a single victory. Agreements, betrayal and obedient execution of plans written in Washington. In Afghanistan, the first thing they did was eliminate the president, and there was success. And there was betrayal.

    fat red line from the "red lines"
    on which the enemy rides without fear at all

    Kyiv region.
    Sumy region.
    Chernihiv region.
    BDK "Saratov".
    Cruiser Moscow.
    Island "Snake".
    A grain "we got ripped off" deal.
    Belgorod region.
    Kursk region.
    Voronezh region.
    The murder of Daria Dugina.
    Airfield in Novofedorovka.
    Murders of officials and prosecutors.
    Exchange "Azov".
    The death of children in Donetsk.
    Kharkov region.
    Red Lyman.
    A piece of the Kherson region.
    Northern streams.
    A piece of the Lugansk Republic.
    Crimean bridge.
    2nd grain surrender
    surrender in Bali
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 18 November 2022 09: 08
      Jstas, for the restoration of the Empire, we will not stand up for the price!
  7. Ugens Offline Ugens
    Ugens (Victor) 17 November 2022 15: 37
    Nobody wanted war. However, it was inevitable because the US wanted it.

    - that is, Putin was following the instructions of the United States? Nonsense, of course.
    Everything was much simpler, Putin was informed about the possibility of taking Kyiv in three days and a quick surrender, so he decided to arrange a quick victorious war. When the first plans went through the woods, it was still possible to win everything back quickly, but alas. All further steps were only burning bridges.
    As a result of such a policy, we see the rapid militarization of Ukraine and there is no talk of any kind of victory. Attacks on civilian infrastructure do not lead to military victories, and the result will be the recognition of Russia as a terrorist state, increased sanctions and an increase in the supply of weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    In general, there is only one way out of this situation.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 17 November 2022 16: 34
      Holding the tug, do not say that it is not a dozen.

      The Rubicon has been passed, and now only to the bitter end. The fact that the RF system of government, finances and economy is rotten and sometimes works against the state is internal details that are easier to fix in wartime. There is a war, and there is no time for doubt, and whoever doubts and condemns is already a specific traitor. Now is also not the time to go over the reasons for the emergence of such a state, now is the time to make every effort to win your state. What will happen in case of defeat is not even discussed ...
      1. Ugens Offline Ugens
        Ugens (Victor) 17 November 2022 18: 26
        And how many millions are you willing to put in?
        Are you ready for the trenches?
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 17 November 2022 22: 01
          (Victor) With today's chosen tactics of the collapse of the state with a minimum of battles, relatively the smallest losses. Otherwise, as before, wall to wall head-on, so the million will be discussed, to which enemies from the USA and England are trying so hard to lead.
          1. Ugens Offline Ugens
            Ugens (Victor) 18 November 2022 10: 06
            Compared to what? If with WWI-WWII then small, when compared with the Afghan, Chechen, Georgian, then the losses are greater than in those combined.
            1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 18 November 2022 19: 27
              You have not yet understood that there is a war going on to destroy the Russian statehood, for us it is already like the Second World War. Today, in all the world's media, Russia is called a terrorist and hate for Russians is promoted, today hatred is going wild in all unfriendly countries, and they are in the majority. NATO countries have officially announced that the Russian Federation must be defeated by Ukraine. And then reparations, arms control and all kinds of oppression of Russia._ it seems like with Germany after WWII. Open your eyes and open your ears...
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 17 November 2022 17: 22
      In general, there is only one way out of this situation.

      1. Ugens Offline Ugens
        Ugens (Victor) 17 November 2022 18: 25
        If I voice it in full, then the negatives will quickly ban me)))
        In general, it is necessary to finish all this as soon as possible.
        1. gene1 Offline gene1
          gene1 (Gennady) 17 November 2022 19: 15
          Quote from ugens
          If I voice it in full, then the negatives will quickly ban me)))
          In general, it is necessary to finish all this as soon as possible.

          Is there something I don't know? If there are many minuses, does this lead to a ban? Seriously I ask.
          1. Ugens Offline Ugens
            Ugens (Victor) 17 November 2022 21: 09
            I think yes, I didn’t violate anything on Topvar, but they banned me.
          2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
            Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 November 2022 05: 43
            minuses do not affect the ban, it is affected by systematic violations of the rules (mat, insults, inciting ethnic hatred, about criticizing GDP and VPR - I don’t know, it’s possible within certain limits, without going over to personalities)
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 18 November 2022 06: 25
      Ugens, and what, I wonder, is this the only way out of the situation?
  8. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 17 November 2022 19: 27
    Quote: Alexey Davydov
    Unfortunately, the author of the article does not see the system (...) The meaning of writing the article is not clear

    It is exciting to read, like in Dumas, but it is still unclear what the author is leading to. That the Anglo-Saxons-Jews put Russia in cancer for the third time? And is it a sensation?
  9. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 17 November 2022 20: 30
    Thanks to the author for the material. This is an article, not an analytical review, that's the point. The information presented deserves attention and each reader, by virtue of his competence, can draw a conclusion for himself by adding his own material and publish it in the comments. With the world on a string, truth will triumph. My suggestion.
    The Russian Federation must legislate that the entire territory of Ukraine, seized by separatists with the help of NATO, is an integral part of Russia.
    In the presence of the Law, the NWO carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 November 2022 06: 02
      unfortunately, the goals of the operation have not yet been announced, all the tasks assigned to it have failed, catastrophically failed, if you do not know which plan the Kremlin has chosen for itself, choose the worst one - you will not be mistaken! so many mistakes have been made that I don’t have enough fingers and toes to list them, the worst and this is the main mistake - we hold our own people for sheep, we don’t tell them the truth, even the chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, Colonel-General Kartapolov, says: “Stop lying !", And nothing has changed! as long as we call this operation NWO instead of war, we will never win it. As soon as you see the change of this sign, it means that there has been a radical change in this hopelessly losing operation by us so far (by the way, I’m not at all sure that this post will not be deleted if it is deleted - we won’t win the war for sure!). The only thing I know for sure is that we will not retreat, there is simply nowhere to retreat, we burned all the bridges ourselves, recognizing Kherson and three other territories as Russian. Now it is no longer possible to turn the minced meat back, and therefore only - alga! But at this pace, the war will continue for at least another 2 years, until the changing of the guard in the Oval Office (not even the White House, but in the office). Only the arrival of Trump can save us, otherwise the war will continue for years. The smartest thing that the Kremlin could do was to announce its ultimate goals, namely, the complete liberation of Ukraine and its inclusion in the Russian Federation. It was necessary to start with this, but having waited for the first blow from the bandit Kyiv regime, having struck first, we untied his hands and turned the entire Ukrainian people against us. It was worse than a crime - it was a mistake! Fatal mistake!!
  10. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 17 November 2022 22: 39
    the war in Ukraine is being conducted at a controlled level, both sides avoid actions that can lead to a sharp change in the situation, which can lead to a loss of control over the situation, so as not to be trapped in an escalation. This allows you to stretch the conflict in time. Time was needed for the manifestation of the results of the sanctions war, as well as for the manifestation of discord in the world. We have already gone through all this.

    The United States can overwhelm Ukraine with weapons, literally. They can deploy electronic warfare there on a completely different scale, they can strengthen air defense on a different scale, they can give them long-range weapons, but they don’t do this.

    Russia can also liquidate the Kyiv regime physically, destroy all state administration, the media, and other critically important organs. Can turn off Ukraine's electricity for months. Can use VKS in full volume. It doesn't do that either.

    All this is a spiral of escalation, where there may come a moment of loss of control over events. And neither side wants this.

    The US options for military escalation in Ukraine are limited. Old Europe is categorically not ready for hostilities against Russia. By starting this without the consent of Western Europe, the United States runs the risk of losing them sharply as allies and remaining with Poland and Romania - and then the risk of suffering a military defeat.

    Escalation according to the scenario of Article 5, where NATO enters into hostilities against Russia, on the contrary, Russia should scare the West, not they us. The very beginning of such a scenario will activate cyber warfare and space, the consequences of which for the West itself, even with great imagination, are difficult to imagine.

    In such a conflict, Russia can very quickly and effectively demonstrate to NATO what tactical nuclear war is. Russia has a choice of means of charges and a choice of means of delivery. Russia can dose power and has the ability to deliver to any point in Europe. In other words, Russia has an overwhelming superiority at the tactical nuclear level. It will be enough to blow up a low-powered warhead over the Baltic or in the air, so that NATO would quickly want to de-escalate and ceasefire.

    As for the desire of the US to achieve a "rapid strike" capability where they want to destroy Russian strategic nuclear forces, the closer they are to this capability, the easier the procedures for launching Russian missiles will be. There will come a situation where each missile will be an independent combat unit, the officer of each mobile complex will be able to launch a missile without any codes. Missile launches will, if necessary, be automated at all (something like a dead hand), only much faster. What risks may arise here is not difficult to guess.

    The United States, of course, not weakly raped the old woman Europe, but it seems that this will not bring them joy. The US is now weaker than it was before the NWO. Now everything revolves around the "decline of the hegemon" and the path that the United States has chosen (through cannibalism of the allies) may be very different from the RAND scenarios.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 November 2022 06: 15
      thanks, gennady, for the post, plus, on my own behalf, I would add that not only in tactical nuclear weapons we have an advantage, but also in strategic nuclear weapons, moreover, catastrophic for the United States (especially ground-based, approximate parity for naval NSNF carriers, for air-based ones they have an advantage that is compensated by our air defense / missile defense and anti-satellite weapons), the States will not be able to restore parity until 2028-2036 (they already have everything scheduled for years, there is a Program), but Putin did not give them this time
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 18 November 2022 06: 38
      Siegfried finally heard what he wanted to say for a long time. The fifth article, in fact, with a multilingual army, where orders are not considered, but simply automatically executed, the translation from the original source of the order is excluded. With the situation time sometimes seconds, failure is guaranteed. Well, further in the text, everything is described clearly and intelligibly and how everything really is!
  11. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 17 November 2022 23: 02
    We must not wait, but be ready. This is the problem with our government. But nothing smarter. That's just a new mobilization already needs to be prepared. And squeeze the liberals in the financial block.
    1. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
      Grei grin (Gray Grin) 18 November 2022 00: 47
      you're laughing right, the liberals will press the liberals? How is that?
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 18 November 2022 06: 41
      Yuri, who in your family is in charge of the finblock?
  12. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 November 2022 00: 17
    The RAND report is recognized as fake. Of course, the situation is described correctly. But this simply means that someone simply drew the current situation and attributed their thoughts to the "secret report".

    At one time I subscribed to RAND. That was a long time ago. I did not renew because of fantastic analyzes that did not come true.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 November 2022 06: 18
      I read about it, but it was embarrassing that the States somehow sluggishly insisted on this, the Lend-Lease law sent to Congress a month before the NWO is also a fake? Here's the answer to you, what sluggishly fought back
  13. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
    Grei grin (Gray Grin) 18 November 2022 00: 45
    Muddy power with a fifth column in it, the same strange and muddy war of former Ukrainians embittered at Russians, whose fathers and grandfathers fought against the Nazis and Bandera shoulder to shoulder and who en masse became the successors of the cause of these Nazis and Bandera! On top of that, the Russian president publicly calls them, after all their atrocities, a brotherly people, and this is incomprehensible to the mind!
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 18 November 2022 06: 49
      Gren, are the Ukrainian people and Ukrofascists the same thing for you? If this is so, then it is really, for a normal person, it is incomprehensible to the mind! Well, just in case, are you a Ukrainian people or a fascist coming out?
  14. Igor Listov Offline Igor Listov
    Igor Listov (Igor Listov) 18 November 2022 00: 49
    And where is the demilitarization and denazification and protection of the indigenous population of Donbass? It turns out that all this is a fiction and a hoax?!
  15. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 19 November 2022 06: 53
    And behind all this tinsel, no one paid attention to the most important event, which will become decisive for the course of the entire further military campaign in Ukraine for the next year and a half.

    the author once stated that we only need a sprint, and during a marathon we will lose a year or more. You also announced the date, in my opinion, based on Khashchin’s thoughts that on December 5 there will be some kind of kirdyk to the west, and now we will be running a marathon for a year or a year and a half and it is possible that even more, since in these one and a half years someone in the neighborhood of the pan-heads can stick their head into this meat grinder. I don’t even know which forecasts of the author to believe. Bulu believe so far in November-January the company’s break and in the summer its end is 90% in our favor, otherwise full mobilization and everything to the front. Although 90% partial, I’m sure it will be spring-summer, but rather full.
  16. Samno Marr Offline Samno Marr
    Samno Marr (Samno Marr) 19 November 2022 16: 03
    Bad dancers and politicians are always getting in the way. The politician who actively embodies other people's ideas is very bad.
  17. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 19 November 2022 20: 07
    Since the late 80s, staffers have developed a strategy for defeating the USSR first, then the Russian Federation, and thanks to the "wisdom" and corruption of our leaders, they systematically implemented it. Preparation of UA is one of the points of the strategy. SVO - zugzwang, that is, a move not from a good life, but out of necessity. For each mistake of the Russian Federation, they practiced the next move. At the same time, weaknesses, confusion, and uncertainty are well seen there. They will not regret. They will press. There is now only one way out to resist, and this can be done successfully only by putting things in order inside. There are few cool slogans for this, the people do not believe. We need real and rapid social and political changes. It is not simple.
  18. vsart Offline vsart
    vsart (Valery) 25 November 2022 06: 52
    Even if we take from the article only dates, facts and figures presented in chronological order, then even without taking into account the conclusions and hypotheses of the author himself, especially when the colors (problems) with the production of weapons and, in general, the logistics of the troops are exaggerated, the overall picture of the development of relations (hybrid war) between NATO and Russia, in my opinion, is close to real.

    The only possible way to guarantee Germany's refusal of Russian energy carriers is to involve both sides in a military conflict in Ukraine. Our further actions in this country (he means Ukraine) will inevitably lead to a military response from the Russian Federation. Russia will obviously not be able to leave the massive pressure of the Ukrainian army on the republics of Donbass without a military response, which will allow us to present Russia as an aggressor, and then impose the entire package of sanctions against it that has already been prepared.

    (From a report by RAND corp. USA)

    In the comments, opinions and assessments on many issues were divided. But, in general, the prevailing position is that Russia in the current situation has no other choice but to build up the joint efforts of the army, government and society in all areas of the hybrid war, leading to the achievement of a complete and unconditional victory over Nazi Ukraine, and therefore over NATO, Russophobic West.

    For these purposes, along with an increase in the activity of hostilities in the strategic directions of the front, it is necessary to continue the targeted destruction of critical infrastructure (energy system and transport logistics) throughout the territory of Nezalezhnaya, which together will not only inflict a significant defeat and demoralize the Nazi formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also deprive The United States and its accomplices of the opportunity to increase with impunity the supply of weapons, ammunition and financial and material resources to the Kyiv puppet regime and thus force it to complete capitulation with the subsequent transfer of power to the Military-Civilian Administration.

    In addition to the above, it is advisable to note as a positive point that the past 9 months since the start of the NMD have made it possible to reveal and partially eliminate serious shortcomings and violations in the management and supply of hostilities and the work of defense complex enterprises, often lying in the very essence of the antagonistic contradictions of the capitalist system of the state and societies ruled by greed, profit and gain. The war between capitalist states, in which the interests of business and bourgeois elites are higher than the spiritual values ​​and aspirations of the people, creates a lot of additional problems and questions, primarily for the people themselves. And here the peoples of Russia are definitely not on the path with the satanic-Russophobic West ...

    Does not tolerate evil resistance,
    For a fair fight, the gut is thin.
    There are threats and restrictions
    As signs of inferiority of the mind.

    Villains cannot corrupt Rus',
    Do not intimidate and do not plunder.
    While in honor of the Truth is the meaning,
    The destiny of jackals is to spoil meanly.

    Enemies do not dismember the country,
    Neither internal nor external.
    When we live honestly
    The Union of Peoples will be eternal!

    I believe that the Fatherland will be reborn,
    And trials will only unite the people.
    And Russophobes will return like a boomerang,
    The stench of vile deeds - violence stronghold ...