What led to the retreat of Russia from Kherson


One and a half months ago on the occasion of the admission of new subjects to the Russian Federation I wrote that Russia has established itself there forever, and the "plum party" can sleep peacefully. Practice has shown that my thoughts on this matter were overly optimistic, based on an incorrect (also too positive) assessment of the military situation on the Southern Front of the Northern Military District.


One can talk about the reasons that forced the Russian troops to leave the Kherson bridgehead for a very long time, many copies have already been broken in disputes about them. The members of that same “plum party” puff out their cheeks not without pleasure: they said that “this second army of yours in the world” is good for nothing, “so it turned out!” Everything is stable with the sect of witnesses to the agreement: no matter what happens, the universal explanation of “treason!” will never lose relevance.

The boring argumentative discussion basically boils down to a discussion of logistical issues: were the supply lines of our troops in the bridgehead really so unstable that they really had to be withdrawn, or was it an excessive reinsurance? The arguments on both sides are reasonable: those who claim that the Russian army can hold out on the defensive for some more (even considerable) time are right, and those who point to the huge costs of a hypothetical hit of our troops in the "cauldron". Of course, neither one nor the other, nor myself, nor even the fighters in the trenches have all the information, but in our realities, a more reliable decision to withdraw troops looks preferable to a dashing and risky (albeit more profitable in many ways) holding a bridgehead.

From a military point of view, one thing is unambiguously clear: the southern direction that seemed so promising has turned into a positional dead end. Complex water barrier, balance of power and political nuances (in particular, the unacceptability of large losses) make the counteroffensive of Russian troops to liberate Kherson impossible in the near future. However, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, forcing the Dnieper with a fight is hardly possible: despite the fact that the Zhovto-Blakyt Mansteins do not care about potential losses, such an operation requires a little more skill than their favorite stupid frontal attacks one after another.

According to most forecasts, the released Ukrainian forces will be deployed to more advantageous directions, probably in Zaporozhye, for an "offensive" on Energodar and the ZNPP. Russian troops will return to Kherson not across the river, but on land, and only after the collapse of the entire Ukrainian front from strikes in the center and from the north. How soon this will happen is still unclear.

Finally took and "-sleep"!


So far, the city and the right-bank part of the Kherson region are in the hands of the Nazis, and the way they entered the “liberated” territory gives a lot of food for thought. This is not only about the media promotion of victory, but also about specific events on the ground.

In general, with the media side of things, everything is far from being as sweet as the Kyiv regime and its curators would like, although it would seem that the three-month “offensive” was crowned with success, toss caps until they turn yellow or blue... But no. The primary problem was that in an organized (and not like from Izyum) retreating Russian troops did not leave behind anything that could be passed off as evidence of the rout and "generous gifts from Russian Lend-Lease." They used old videos more or less suitable for weather conditions and frankly cheap fakes with a broken (“for some reason” with fascist crosses everywhere) and “trophy” technique, which ended in a demonstration of the “Russian” Mi-24 with stenciled inscriptions in Ukrainian, clearly indicating its real state affiliation.

The demonstration of the "long-awaited meeting with the invaders-liberators" resulted in one continuous embarrassment. A clip with a boy holding a yellow-blaky ensign in one hand, and throwing a ridge in the other, which, unfortunately, is not the only one, which has become viral in the Western media. Almost simultaneously with him, several more of the same “successful” shots appeared, in which the Ukrainian soldiers greet each other, then the “liberated” Khersonians with their hands up. In the official telegram channel of Zelensky himself, among other photographs of his visit to the city on November 14, there is one in which a whole crowd of locals zigues personally to the Fuhrer of the Ukrainian people.

However, someone from his own delegation threw other shots onto the Web, also characteristic, but in a completely opposite sense: Zelensky affably waves his pen to a city dweller standing at the window - but in response, it turns out to be loudly sent to a well-known three-letter address. So the question is, was it worth creating an additional scandal by withdrawing accreditation from Western correspondents?

The latter, however, also outdid themselves by issuing a whole bunch of materials about how, in Kherson, which has come under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the hunt and reprisal against “orc collaborators” is unfolding, and in parallel, the looting of empty housing is going on. The resonance came out very bad, so much so that (according to the CNN agency) advice was sent from Washington to Kyiv demanding to tighten the fuse of punitive measures, since they harm the image of Ukrainian “democracy” too much. A curious zigzag of history: at one time, the Nazi officers were also periodically horrified by the bloody arts of various "brothers in arms", including Bandera.

But our command should take a closer look at the Ukrainian filtering practice - because the enemy has a lot to learn (no matter how it sounds). Having taken the city under control, the Nazis first of all forbade entry and exit from it and introduced the strictest curfew. Raised personnel agents and just informers from local pro-Ukrainian "waiters" quickly put on the table the addresses of all the "separatists" (both real and simply personal enemies to the heap), with whom methodical "address work" began. Any disobedience is immediately suppressed with the utmost cruelty, I have practically no doubt that the daredevil who sent Zelensky paid for it with his life. Well, the black cherry on the yellow cake was the announcement of the mobilization of all Kherson residents remaining on the Ukrainian side into the valiant ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

What is there to learn, the gentlemen in white gloves will ask, - but just a tough cleansing of the liberated territories from enemy elements. The abandonment of Kherson once again raised and thrust right into the nostrils the problem of lurking ideological “trans-Ukrainians” and the conformal majority, dutifully following those who have power at the moment.

Of course, it is wrong to indiscriminately write down all those who remained "beyond the river" as opportunists and traitors and overestimate the number of those same "waiters" - but it is even less true to underestimate them. Practice has shown over and over again that softness in relation to the accomplices of the Nazis is unacceptable, since even a small amount of them is enough to control the amorphous mass. But what do we see: from the other side, there are footage of “separatists” being lynched by the “hulks”, and from our side, a nice video of another gunner who, with a dull smile, tells how ashamed she is for informing the Armed Forces of Ukraine about the movements of our troops. Will we believe? We may not, but...

Fire, bot farms, fire, Telegram!


There is an opinion that if a couple of such bashful patients hung on the lanterns, then the number of "waiters" would decrease by a factor, and the stability of Kherson's defense would be higher. But this is now out of the realm of rhetoric.

However, rhetoric is an interesting topic in its own way. Unlike Kupyansk and Izyum, the possibility of a “difficult decision” in Kherson was spoken about quite a long time ago and at the very top, so leaving the city did not produce a shocking effect on society. In a sense, the collective request of the Kherson residents themselves, expressed in September, was realized: they say, if the troops will “regroup” from here too, tell us about it in advance - they said.

Of course, there is absolutely nothing pleasant about this, and there were some hiccups with discrepancies (for example, when an evacuation was announced). In any case, even such an informational binding of the operation is many times better than the nonsense sucked from the finger in the spirit of “goodwill gestures”. The operation itself was also carried out clearly from a military point of view, no matter how fair Churchill's aphorism was in relation to it that wars are not won by evacuations.

But neither this nor the liquid “successes” of enemy propaganda prevented the “pro-Russian” paramilitary bloggers capitalizing on paranoia and defeatism from starting their hype trains again. At the forefront of these "patriots" and "experts", which is not surprising, the well-known gentleman-comrade (or is it pan?) Shariy again spoke.

On the "Black Saturday" of the big retreat in the north, the hysteria in Russian social networks began precisely with his messages about the abandonment of Kupyansk by our troops - however, at that time, the "insider information" turned out to be true. And Shariy himself, apparently, liked (in terms of the strength of the response) the effect produced on the public, and he decided to play the clairvoyant and omniscient "prince of insiders" again, but in relation to Kherson.

True, either the sources on the ground didn’t work out, or the sir decided that he had achieved truly cosmic self-sufficiency, and dirty stuff went on the rise of the hype: about the alleged destruction of crossings and cutting off 20 thousand of our troops off the coast, about allegedly large quantities of abandoned equipment, about the allegedly successful forcing of the Dnieper Armed Forces ... Even when it became clear that the exit was successful and with minimal losses, Shariy did not calm down, but proceeded to head-on battles with the virtual landing forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Kinburn Peninsula. And the saddest thing is that the least choosy parrots from social networks happily picked up all this and carried fire to the masses, like Prometheus.

Unfortunately (for the gentlemen and gentlemen of the hack writers), none of the stuffing this time could be adjusted to reality. It also failed to disperse the panic, comparable to the September one: the collective inhabitant himself poked the same Shariy and the backup dancers with nickels into their lies. The “offended” blogger replied with something like “well, not today, but tomorrow our people will move away from the Dnieper!”

So, “theirs” will undoubtedly move away from the Dnieper - not tomorrow, but in the foreseeable future. There will be no "exchange" of the liberated lands for anything. Kherson officially remains the territory of Russia, and after the yellow-blaky rags are torn off the flagpoles (now, apparently, first in Kyiv), Kherson will become Russian in fact again.
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  1. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 16 November 2022 13: 27
    +7
    As for the "collapse of the front" of the Wehrmacht's coming out, the author, IMHO, is a terrible optimist. In any case, there are no prerequisites for this.
    And as for punishing the waiting people, as people of a well-known nation say, you won’t wait. Liberal mantras do not allow even inveterate war criminals to be punished, but here we are talking about punishing "waiters". "It's unlikely ..." (c).
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 16 November 2022 14: 17
      +1
      In any case, there are no prerequisites for this.

      Well, why not. The energy system of the country is brought to the edge. The margin of safety laid down under the USSR has been destroyed. PS light up already without arrivals, spontaneously. Now an order is enough and entire regions will be left without electricity AT ALL and for a long time for several hours.
      Not only production and infrastructure will be paralyzed, but also the army. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will not be able to fight without food, fuel, reinforcements, ammunition.
      If we start cutting off the regions from the east and gradually transfer this process to the west, there will be a wave of refugees, chaos in Ukraine, and then in Europe. Europe will not withstand millions of rabies. For which they pulled up combat-ready (but not large) NATO units. Not to fight, but to contain the refugees at the borders. For the border guards of both sides will be demolished at the expense of "times".
  2. lance Offline lance
    lance 16 November 2022 13: 38
    +1
    it is not possible to save the troops and the population from man-made disasters, it dictates a change in the direction of their own and this is not the LPR.
  3. Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 16 November 2022 14: 36
    +4
    As for the "collapse of the front" of the Wehrmacht's coming out, the author, IMHO, is a terrible optimist.
    As well as snot and cries about the destroyed power industry of the country captured by Jewish fascists. As trains carried military equipment without disguising themselves, they carry it. "Blackouts", dark cities - to create an entourage and a corresponding "HORRIBLE" TV picture. As predicted, Lavrov signed the surrender in Bali. And it all started with white flags under which the "athletes" of Rosiyani performed at competitions and olympiads.
    1. ozon34rus Offline ozon34rus
      ozon34rus (ozon34rus) 17 November 2022 07: 08
      +2
      Oversleep a bit
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 16 November 2022 14: 39
    +1
    How soon this will happen is still unclear.

    Well, if it is not clear, then why doubt the critics who criticize the screwed up. The result is the main indicator of rightness!

    Kherson will become Russian again

    Maybe by the 2024 elections?
  5. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 16 November 2022 19: 49
    -1
    However, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, forcing the Dnieper with a fight is hardly possible: despite the fact that the Zhovto-Blakyt Mansteins do not care about potential losses, such an operation requires a little more skill than their favorite stupid frontal attacks one after another.

    Really?! But the results of the SVO say something different ...

    There is an opinion that if a couple of such bashful patients hung on the lanterns, then the number of "waiters" would decrease by a factor, and the stability of Kherson's defense would be higher.

    Is the author ready to personally hang on lanterns or does he offer others to do it?
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 16 November 2022 21: 53
      +2
      Confrontation: Russia - anti-Russian Ukraine created by enemies, is the tip of the iceberg, the whole essence of which is not visible. The Ukrainian territory and population have always been a tool and a means in the history of clashes between the world-forming states, and are aimed against Russia .. Under Poland, the Swedes, then under Austria-Hungary, the Nazis, an anti-Russian mood was created among the people. Today, in the person of Ukraine, we have the pinnacle of anti-Russianness, created in the war between the West and Russia, and here we need to win completely and for a long time (forever). The fact that the national forces of Ukrainians are being exterminated (in the form of hundreds of thousands of killed young citizens) is not Russia's fault, it is a hybrid war and propaganda, with Ukrainian rulers palmed off, acting as goats leading Ukrainians to slaughter. (in fact, slaves, for thousands are commanded to die for the obvious lie of independence). As someone said: the lot is cast by the Ukrainians, the fate is predetermined from the very beginning, "the herd goes to the slaughter in obedience to goats-provocateurs." Ukraine cannot defeat Russia, the original axiom is to die and weaken, the fate of today's historical moment, which is foreseen in the coming years ... History is cruel and does not forgive mistakes.
  6. usm5 Offline usm5
    usm5 (George) 16 November 2022 21: 29
    0
    I think that the reason for leaving Kherson is still purely military. For Russia, the speed of mobilization and training of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as the speed of pumping them with weapons and ammunition, turned out to be a surprise. As a result, we have on the line of contact a threefold superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in terms of numbers and a practically comparable military-technical level. So why be surprised? The Russian army is really "looking for the fifth corner" on the line of contact. What other agreements are not up to fat, the task is to avoid a complete rout. I'm afraid that even 300000 mobilized people will not solve the issue in principle. Ukraine must be cut off from sources of supply, that is, the Polish, Slovak and Romanian borders must be cut off from it. Otherwise, this war will become another hundred years. For such a cutting blow, you need at least 500000 grouping + to the existing one. At the same time, the Polish and Romanian armies can hit the rear of this group. You can, of course, stop being afraid and brazenly strike with tactical nuclear weapons at the key points of border crossings. On the one hand, these strikes will certainly reason with NATO, but here you can run into a negative position of the already "tottering well-wishers" represented by India, China and Turkey. As a result, Russia will be feared like a rabid dog, and therefore no one in the world will cooperate with it. Will we be able to organize a normal life on such an "island". A very difficult situation.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 16 November 2022 22: 30
      +3
      Firstly, Russia needs to get rid of the Yeltsin legacy of liberals in the government and main public services, and replace it with Russian patriots, then most of the troubles will disappear. When D. Medvedev and others are still in the Security Council, etc., so what are we talking about - about selling Russia to please the clan of liberal thieves .....
      1. Vdars Offline Vdars
        Vdars (Victor) 17 November 2022 11: 53
        +3
        The legacy of EBN must be disposed of as quickly and COMPLETELY as possible!
      2. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
        syndicalist (Dimon) 19 November 2022 19: 56
        +1
        And Putin, is he also the heir to EBN? Or just the boyars?
    2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 17 November 2022 09: 19
      -2
      Mobilization, and you saw how it happened. A representative of the military registration and enlistment office comes with a district police officer, accompanied by a policeman in a mask with a machine gun. This is called a call to defend the Motherland. The father is in the fourth stage of cancer, when asked by his wife how to take care of him without a son. You can handle it yourself. Now they seem to have achieved a vacation for the guy. And he digs trenches near Zaporozhye. And there are many such cases. It was especially funny with those who bought military tickets. They were quickly released.
  7. Daniel P Offline Daniel P
    Daniel P (Danil P) 17 November 2022 07: 52
    +2
    Under Putin, traitors and gunners will not be hanged, nor Kherson will be in Russia.
    1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 19 November 2022 20: 03
      +1
      In fact, the reverse process is observed. The APU is getting stronger every day. In February-March, they retreated almost without resistance. But after the supply of Western weapons, the situation changed radically. For half a year now, the RF Armed Forces have not had a single successful result and there are no prospects for achieving it in the future.
  8. Olga Taschilina Offline Olga Taschilina
    Olga Taschilina (Olga Taschilina) 17 November 2022 08: 15
    +3
    Shariy... Why be surprised? This blogger has never been pro-Russian and has always been pro-Ukrainian. He is a stranger. He desperately needs Ukraine. To me - no.
  9. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 17 November 2022 10: 04
    +2
    Totally deprive ukroreykh of electricity and the war will end with the victory of Russia almost immediately. The only question is the political will of the Russian leadership. But with this for now .. alas.
  10. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 17 November 2022 13: 16
    +2
    Author. The voiced topic: "What led to the retreat of Russia from Kherson" was not disclosed. There is no analysis of losses by the Russian side at all. The consequences of the flight backfire in the future with greater losses of personnel. The reasons for the flight are the same, not the viability of political power. Outside capitalism.
  11. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 17 November 2022 14: 16
    +2
    And here's what's interesting. Ukro-Wehrmacht thrashed the bridges in the Kherson region and practically paralyzed traffic on them. But as soon as they say to hit the bridges of the Reich's coming out, a real howl rises, they say, it's useless, pointless, etc. TsIPSOshniks of the Wehrmacht's coming out and the singers of business groups that continue to make a gesheft on the transit of goods through the Ukro-Reich are merging together.
  12. wuargido17 Offline wuargido17
    wuargido17 (Andriy Stronglich) 17 November 2022 20: 58
    +1
    Andrijstronglich
    Guess not guess, but the line is drawn along Biden. Give Kherson and the north of the Lugansk region. Americans are lovers of straight lines in demarcation. What is between the states, what is in Korea. The demarcation line of demarcation in Ukraine, by agreement or deceit, will be drawn. Only the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation still need to straighten it to the Dnieper. And defend for decades to come. They did not want to show their imperative, they will shed blood for many years of positive
  13. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 18 November 2022 11: 29
    +1
    And it wouldn’t hurt to clean Bandera’s people in the cities of the Russian Federation ... and don’t confuse democracy with treason and terrorism ... all these gentlemen are just criminals who should have been imprisoned for a long time under articles 280,275,206,208 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and this is at least
    1. rish Offline rish
      rish (Rish) 21 November 2022 23: 19
      +1
      Only along the way you do not know how cleaners work. They have a plan at the forefront, and there is already a Bandera, not a Bandera, these are the problems of the person on whom the arrows converged. Passed...
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Alexander) 22 November 2022 19: 07
        0
        The plan here is a bad thing, but letting it take its course is also not the case ... saboteurs and patriots of foreign states who get lost in the Russian Federation must be identified and at least deported from the Russian Federation with deprivation of Russian citizenship and confiscation of property, to pay off the harm they have caused to the Russian Federation and its the indigenous population. High treason is a serious crime in any state of the World ...
  14. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 18 November 2022 13: 46
    +2
    but in our realities, a more reliable decision to withdraw troops looks preferable to a dashing and risky (albeit more profitable in many ways) holding a bridgehead.

    If the current generals had a chance to fight during the Second World War, they would not hesitate to merge Leningrad and Stalingrad and Moscow with Sevastopol with such an approach ....
    Why take risks if you can first retreat to the Volga, and then to the Urals ....
  15. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 22 November 2022 16: 29
    +2
    If you think about it, so far I had to give away only what was grabbed for free in the first week. What remains is mostly (except for Zaporizhzhya) repulsed by labor, with blood. It can no longer be given away. There is no room left for "goodwill gestures". If they do, then the people will simply send this story.
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  17. Kazimir Prutikoff (Kazimir Prutikoff) 25 November 2022 11: 32
    0
    It makes sense to hold a foothold behind any water barrier if a further offensive is planned from it. If not, then it makes more sense to leave it. Why hold on to something that will lead to big losses, and most importantly, why!