Special operation "Abandonment of Kherson": Why General Surovikin is not Kutuzov, and Zelensky is not Napoleon


Epigraph: "An army of rams led by a lion will always triumph over an army of lions led by a ram" (Napoleon Bonaparte).


I don't know if you've noticed, but there's been a strange pattern lately. On September 21, Putin announced a partial military mobilization, and the very next day, a disproportionate exchange of 215 Ukrainian prisoners (including 108 Azov and 124 officers) took place for 54 of our military personnel (six of which were officers) and Ukrainian citizen Medvedchuk. I believe that if such an exchange took place, it means that it was necessary - our guys had to be pulled out at any cost. But how did it turn out that the date of the exchange coincided with the date Putin announced the partial mobilization? Couldn't they have been separated in time? As a result, the entire force of Putin's Decree on mobilization was leveled the very next day and smeared with a scandalous exchange. As a result, only Zelensky won informationally, compensating for all the negative from the mobilization with another victory.

Further worse. On September 30, Putin signs an agreement with the heads of the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions on their accession to Russia, and the very next day, October 1, we surrender Krasny Liman, already a Russian city, territorially belonging to the DPR. What fate awaits the remaining 17 Russian citizens who have voted in the referendum for joining the Russian Federation, you can imagine.

And here is the third event in this series, on November 8 in the United States the midterm elections to the Congress are held, where in both chambers the Republicans tentatively gain a majority, which strongly binds Biden in his desires to continue and finance the war that the collective West is waging against us in Ukraine, and the very next day, Shoigu gives the go-ahead for the withdrawal of our troops from Kherson, although he could, if necessary, do this two days earlier or a week later. Why bring these events together? Don't you see anything strange here? This step is explained by the threat of flooding the floodplain of the Dnieper by undermining the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, followed by the inevitable encirclement of our group of troops standing on the right bank. I will not say anything here that from a military engineering point of view, it is impossible to do this with high-precision Himars missiles, even if they hit the lock gates (the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already tried it - the result is zero), and underwater drones and firewalls loaded with explosives, all the more (It is technically impossible with drones, and the firewall will not break through the barriers - they will drown earlier). I will express another thought - if you are so afraid of flooding the floodplain, with the subsequent violation of logistics and the possible encirclement of our group of troops, who prevents you from carrying out technical controlled release of water from the Kakhovka Sea (reservoir), lowering its level to a safe one? After all, we control the Kakhovskaya HPP. So that's not the point. And in what - now we'll talk.

Contractor or swindler?


Somewhere a week before the announced events, a post from a knowledgeable source appeared on the network:

1. No one has left Kherson yet, no flags have been removed, no checkpoints have been left, but Chernobaevka will be a gray area by the weekend, and in the negotiations, Washington demands that the Kherson region and Zaporozhye be completely left by Russian troops. This will lead to a freeze according to the Transnistrian scenario of the Ukrainian conflict, the beginning of reforms of the power bloc in the Russian Federation, then to the liberalization of the Government and the Central Bank, as well as institutions of executive power. Decriminalization of the Federal Districts after Transfer-2024 and then from 2025 a new bright path to a future-oriented Russia.

2. The roadmap for negotiations according to the version of Washington and London provides for the abandonment of Zaporozhye and Kherson by November 20; in turn, the supply of weapons from Poland, Hungary, Romania and Turkey is promised to be stopped from November 10th. At the moment, shipments go from Rzeszow Airport, Bucharest Airport and Chisinau Airport in the amount of 25% of the March-August volume, railway shipments fell to 40% of the same volume over the same period.

3. The withdrawal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from 100% of the territories of the LDNR within their borders for 2014 will be the next step, however, according to the plan, the Armed Forces of Ukraine should not enter Kherson and Zaporozhye for the next 6-9 months in order to avoid a repetition of the scenarios of Bucha, Irpin, Kupyansk, Izyum, creating at the same time, a transitional gray period, the entry of UN peacekeepers for 12 months is possible. According to this plan, ZNPP was proposed to be under the control of Rosatom and a group of IAEA inspectors.

Reading all this nonsense, I could not get rid of the unreality of the proposed way out of the conflict, although I knew for sure that behind-the-scenes undercover negotiations were underway. There were also obvious inconsistencies, such as Hungary, which supplies weapons to Kyiv. It was also unclear what was Washington's profit from the liberalization of the Cabinet of Ministers and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, as well as all institutions of the executive power of the Russian Federation? The Kremlin's profit was also seen as very conditional, only if we assume that its affairs are very bad. Those. it appeared from what was written that Moscow agreed to peace on any terms, even without saving face, because after such a “peace” it would be very difficult to explain to its citizens why it got into Ukraine at all, given the losses incurred (and not only in manpower and technology, but also reputational), sanctions, frozen assets and other goodies from the West, despite the fact that not a single declared goal of the SVO was fulfilled. In short, I did not believe this plan at all, because the 2nd world army of a nuclear power cannot lose to the 22nd world army of a non-nuclear power armed with a bow and arrows.

Although the trailer that came with him, explaining why the Kremlin went to resume the grain deal, raised fewer questions - I knew some of it myself, and some confirmed my earlier assumptions about the role of the Vatican in this deal (this is not a grain deal, but about the global agreement between Moscow and Washington):

The grain deal has resumed for three main reasons:

1. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation could not independently block transportation without the possibility of a military defeat of ships exporting grain and sunflower, which could lead to a direct clash with another "guarantor", the Turkish fleet (superior to the Black Sea Fleet by 600% in all respects).

2. All schemes are based on an actual discount of 68% when grain is paid to Ukrainian farmers by state-owned companies and multinational corporations that have settled in the agricultural market of Ukraine, after which it is sold through Turkish companies with an extra charge of 250-300% to the EU and Southeast Asian countries, because . only they are pulling this inflated price list now, this is the reason for the logistics of grain carriers. The scheme is controlled by Ukrainian, Russian and Turkish businessmen who are close to the military circles of their countries.

3. Exit now from the grain deal, while continuing to voluntarily "demilitarize" Kherson and Zaporozhye, it would be futile in the framework of the "big deal" with Washington and London, which is offered to the Kremlin through the mediation of the Vatican and the readiness to support its results in the UN. (Demilitarization and the "gray zone" of Kherson and Zaporozhye in exchange for the cessation of Western arms supplies to Ukraine and its withdrawal from the LDNR).

I knew that behind the scenes of this document were the interests of the Kremlin to unblock the grain deal. They consisted in the fact that thousands of tons of our cargoes with mineral fertilizers and ammonium nitrate were blocked in the Baltic ports since the beginning of the NMD. As a result of the grain deal, it was not possible to unblock them, so Moscow considered this deal unprofitable for itself and, under a plausible pretext (an attack on the Black Sea Fleet base and sabotage on the Crimean bridge), withdrew from it. After that, the sanctions mechanism began to move (you can see the result of this now, when Britain was the first to issue a general license to finance this transit).

There was the same hope for the "Kherson deal", but the events that preceded the order to withdraw troops and immediately followed it raised more questions than answers. Hopes that behind this "agreement" there is a "swindler" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine with an attempt to lure them into a fire bag, began to melt right before our eyes. And not only me. Here is what Oleg Tsarev wrote about this in his telegram:

Leaks from Kyiv and the United States, publications in their media say that the West wants a truce. Many are tired of the war. Europeans understand that the United States is simply making money on them. India, the countries of Asia, Africa and Latin America have never been supporters of inflating the war in Ukraine. There is a significant demand for peace, and if the US and UK ignore it, they may find themselves isolated. The problem is that the US and Britain need Russia's capitulation. Russia agrees to peace, but it definitely does not agree to surrender. A nuclear power cannot capitulate to a non-nuclear one. That doesn't happen. So what should the West do?

They wrote that the US and NATO allow the start of peace talks on Ukraine if Kyiv retakes Kherson. I think these words make all the sense. If Kyiv takes Kherson, it will be declared the victory of the century, subsequent negotiations with Russia will be presented as a surrender of Russia, even if this is not the case in essence. All this would be presented as a victory for the West and NATO over Russia. For participation in this production, Russia could even be offered some non-public preferences. To make the victory of Kyiv look more convincing, now the significance of Kherson is rising to the skies. Listen to how epic the “battle for Kherson” sounds!

Note. Donbass has been shelled for 8 years, and its residents are not given housing certificates. There is no mass evacuation. Compare the shelling of Donetsk and Kherson - Donetsk is shelled hundreds of times harder. There is no water. Poor people drain the water that is not in the tap from the batteries, so there is no heat. Yes, there is no river with a dam between Donetsk and Rostov, and people can always be taken out, but the situation still looks strange. Kherson residents began to be taken out almost immediately after joining. There is a feeling that at first one decision was made on Kherson, a referendum was held, but then something changed. They built a line of defense on the left bank. They took out the authorities and froze.

Some write apocalyptic posts that the mobilized, who went under Kherson instead of special forces, are allegedly being prepared for slaughter in the name of political agreements to create a picture of Russian resistance. It is not true. Firstly, long before Kherson, I wrote about my conversation with one of the leaders of the special forces, who said that he would take the special forces from the trenches. It is too expensive and too long to train a commando to use later as an infantry. The decision was right and made long before the last events. Secondly, paratroopers are not withdrawn. If they begin to withdraw troops, then it will be possible to draw conclusions. Now this is not. Our landing party will not act exactly as lambs at the slaughter.

I think the auction is still going on. I think the risks that the West will again deceive are too high. I have written many times about the significance of Kherson and why we should fight for it: if Kherson is captured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the land road to Crimea will come under fire, the dam will almost certainly be blown up, and there will be no water in Crimea after that. If, after the capture of Kherson, the Ukrainian Armed Forces blow up the Crimean bridge, then Crimea will be blockaded.

I think that the West really needs Kyiv to take Kherson before the G-20. The armies of Russia and Ukraine are equally tired. The bet on foreign mercenaries made by Kyiv may not work. In any case, if the Russian army has properly organized the defense, then it is unrealistic to knock it out of positions quickly. Look how hard ours are advancing near Donetsk.

If Vladimir Putin decides to participate in the G-20, he is unlikely to want to be there as a representative of a country facing the need to conclude a peace agreement that is obviously unfavorable for it. And even if Lavrov goes to Bali instead of Putin, it is not at all necessary that we will lose in the battle for Kherson.

Equipping positions in the rear on the left bank is good. It won't be redundant. But we have to fight for Kherson. I am not in favor of negotiations now, but if such a decision is made, it is better to enter them from a strong position. And further. If we keep Kherson, then we must return the police and authorities to the city. It is wrong that those who were supposed to leave last were the first to leave. We must return and, despite the war, establish a peaceful life in the Russian city of Kherson.

As you can see, Oleg Tsarev still hopes that Kherson will not be surrendered. For he, like no one else, understands that the price of this surrender will be too high. In addition to the loss of a foothold on the right bank for the offensive on Nikolaev-Odessa-Pridnestrovie, we also suffer incomparable reputational losses. All over the world, only strength is respected, everyone is now holding their breath, waiting for the outcome, how the confrontation in Ukraine will end. If we sign such a shameful peace for us, then there is no reason to hope for a favorable outcome for us at the G-20 summit, which starts on November 15 in Bali. They wipe their feet on the weak, in which case neither Lavrov nor Putin should go there at all. That is why I was surprised at the timing of this decision to withdraw troops. Who made the decision to appoint him immediately after the failed US elections for Biden and right before the GXNUMX summit in Indonesia? I wouldn't call this person smart.

But having agreed to this agreement with the surrender of Kherson, we somehow imperceptibly crossed the line from the Soviet-Finnish war, which began on February 24, our special operation in Ukraine, to the Russian-Japanese one. You know how the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War ended for the tsar. The signing of a shameful peace with the Japanese, providing for the cession of part of the territories and rights to the South Manchurian Railway, ended with the first Russian revolution of 1905. The year then began with a bloody Sunday on January 9, and ended with an uprising on Krasnaya Presnya on December 31. True, Nicholas II then sat on his throne for another 12 years, but ended badly anyway. I do not think that our enemies will give Putin another 12 years, they themselves are sitting "on the flag" with a limited time limit.

But Russian people do not know how to lose and do not want to learn it at all. They cannot understand why we storm some Patrice Lumumba street in Artemovsk (Bakhmut) for five months, and rent entire cities in 1-2 days. And to whom? An enemy armed with a bow and arrow?! True, they will tell me that there we are at war not with Ukraine, but with the entire collective NATO. Sorry, but I didn’t know that NATO has only 30 aircraft, 250 tanks, 300 armored personnel carriers (and other AFVs), 50 self-propelled guns and MLRS and one and a half hundred units of towed artillery - that’s exactly how much, roughly rounded, and handed over the collective West to our enemy . We gave him some more equipment ourselves, retreating from the Kyiv and Kharkov regions.

It is not surprising that our people do not understand such agreements. Here is what the head of the Union of Political Emigrants and Political Prisoners of Ukraine, a former deputy of the Nikolaev Regional Council, Larisa Shesler, writes in her cart:

I can't understand why they disperse the moan about the inevitability of the surrender of Kherson. They write: “battles near Kherson in Snigirevka”, “battle near Kherson in Pravdino”. Has anyone even looked at the map? From Snigirevka to Kherson - 54 km along the highway, from Pravdino - more than 30 km. This is much more than the front line from Donetsk or Gorlovka. Why is no one shouting about the inevitability of the surrender of Svatovo? Why are the residents of Lisichansk not urgently evicted, because these cities are much closer to the advancing Armed Forces of Ukraine?

In order to take Kherson, even if it is defended by a 10-strong group, at least 40-strong army is needed, and at least 2 months of fierce fighting. And if it is defended by a military group armed with tanks, equipped with aircraft and MLRS, it is impossible to take it. But, of course, it can be RENTED. Surrender, as they surrendered Balakleya or the deserted Kupyansk. But it seems to me that the limit for the surrender of territories and cities has already been exceeded in the Kharkiv region. Moreover, today Kherson is a Russian city, and its surrender is a direct betrayal of the Russian lands. People are afraid not of defeat, but of betrayal.

fire bag


The curators are waiting for Zelensky to take a decisive “attack” on Kherson, they need him to take it with a fight:

The US and NATO allow the start of peace talks on Ukraine if Kyiv recaptures Kherson, the battle for which has both strategic and diplomatic significance

writes the Italian La Repubblica.

And we are withdrawing troops to previously prepared positions without a fight. Even Zelensky cannot understand this, expecting a trap, which does not prevent him from trolling the Kremlin:

You need to understand: no one just goes away from nowhere if they don’t feel the strength.

I am also waiting for the trap. While I'm still waiting. Somehow it doesn’t really look like an agreement with the Americans, it looks more like a swindler of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Everything was done too deliberately, as if for show, and an order to withdraw troops from the commander of the NVO Surovikin would be enough, and then for some reason Shoigu was also connected. Secondary bridges are blown up, communication towers, power lines, beds are taken out of hospitals, the remains of Prince Potemkin, monuments are dismantled, plus the administration and police are defiantly looted. Something is wrong here! There are too many minuses, which I mentioned above, with dubious pluses. And why do all this right now before the G-20? To publicly wipe their feet on Putin? They were waiting for November 8, the elections to the Congress, they could have waited for November 15, the beginning of the summit in Indonesia - they would not have lost anything. And to hand over a Russian city with a Russian population that voted for the Russian Federation - here you can not calculate with the return line from your own population. Hoping after that that the non-brothers will calm down and leave Crimea alone, only very short-sighted politicians can - Putin is definitely not like that! Plus, the behavior of Kadyrov and Prigozhin is alarming - either they could not forgive Lapin for the surrender of Krasny Liman, a small settlement with a population of 20 thousand inhabitants (more precisely, without a population), then they forgive Surovikin and Shoigu for the surrender of the only liberated regional center with a population 10 times larger (200 thousand), despite the fact that the possibilities of defense were not even half exhausted. All this is strange!

With the death of Stremousov, everything is also very suspicious - an accident on the way to Genichesk. Why on this particular day? The day before, on the air at Mordan, he honestly admitted that he could not even explain to himself the looting of the Regional State Administration and the departure of the security forces from the city. Most courageous man! Survived two assassination attempts. Second successful. Five children were left orphans. However, the driver of the car survived. I do not believe in such accidents, I think it's an imitation. So - I'm waiting for the continuation ... I'm not drawing conclusions yet.

Why Kherson is not Moscow, and Zelensky is not Napoleon


Epigraph: “Tell me, uncle, it’s not for nothing that Moscow, burned down by fire, was given to the French?” (M.Yu. Lermontov)

Under the guise of all these events in the Russian city of Kharkov, the monument to Pushkin, erected back in May 1904 in the very center of the city on Pushkinskaya Street, was demolished. The first time they tried to demolish it back in October of the same year, the militants of the terrorist organization "Defense of Ukraine" in the wake of the revolutionary events that I wrote about above (the first Russian revolution). But then they failed. But their modern followers did it perfectly - I personally saw the demolished Pushkin with a noose around his neck in a pile of construction debris (although I’m not sure that they won’t hand it over for a non-ferrous metal - the bust is still bronze). The next step of the ukrofascists will be to return the original name of the street - Nemetskaya. And what do you want, what heirs - these are the names.

Returning to Napoleon's sheep, with which I began this text, I dare to suggest that if the situation ends with the shameful surrender of the city without a fiery trap for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then General Armageddon risks losing this proud nickname. Comparisons with Kutuzov, who surrendered Moscow to the French, are not appropriate here. Firstly, General Surovikin is not yet a field marshal (and his eyes are still fine), and secondly, Kherson is not Moscow. Entering Moscow, burned by fires, where only wine cellars remained intact, Napoleon sat down to wait for the keys to the city and the honorable surrender of the Russian Tsar. But he didn't wait. In the meantime, it began to freeze, the French army began to decompose, degrade and become an inveterate drunkard, but the Russian Tsar did not go. What was Napoleon to do? Move on to Kazan? Russia is big. And Napoleon began his retreat. How it ended for him, you know (the entire war of 1812 lasted six months and two days). How long our NWO lasts in Ukraine, you know without me.

Unlike Napoleon, Zelensky knows what to do. He has no intention of moving anywhere else. Having fortified on the right bank of the Dnieper, he will be able to establish fire control over the entire left bank to a depth of 70-80 km. And this means goodbye to the land corridor to the Crimea, which will be in the zone of fire damage of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. By the way, he will also cut off the water to the Crimea. How do you like this perspective? The troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine released from the right bank will soon find themselves in the Zaporozhye-Kryvyi Rih direction, where he will try to cut our group in the northern Azov region with one powerful blow to Melitopol-Berdyansk. Farewell then to the Azov ports, everything for which we fought for so long will be lost or, at least, will become a new battle zone. Like? I do not like it either! Weapons for this NATO will throw him, you can not even doubt it. This is such a sad picture of the near future that awaits us if we surrender Kherson.

Conclusions


You expect conclusions from me, I have them. Moreover, for many of you they may seem paradoxical. In the middle of the text, I said that I was waiting for a denouement, and between an agreement and a scam-trap, I choose a scam. But since the situation is dynamic and constantly changing, in the process of writing the text, I came to the paradoxical conclusion that neither one nor the other will happen. We are withdrawing troops from Kherson for a completely different, at the same time, the most banal reason - we stupidly do not have any logistical capabilities to hold this bridgehead. As you can see, the simplest and most obvious reason once again turned out to be the only correct one. Moreover, General Armageddon came to an understanding of this situation as soon as he took over, a month of holding the Kherson front only strengthened him in this thought. The only thing left was the small (and most difficult!) thing - how to convey this idea to our own population so that it would correctly perceive it. I had to connect Shoigu, and then, you yourself see what circles went on the water.

There is no talk of any agreements, as well as negotiations with the opposite side. Each of the parties takes an irreconcilable position, hoping to achieve the complete surrender of the opposing side. Therefore, the war will continue (from our side in the NBO format, but the name no longer plays a piano here). There is a people's war on both sides and each of them considers himself right. Well, everything will be decided on the battlefield. If the curators of the Kyiv regime decide to raise the stakes for us, they will supply their wards with missiles with an increased range (up to 300-500 km), which will be able to reach Sevastopol and the Black Sea Fleet base, fortunately, we provided them with a foothold in Kherson and Nova Kakhovka, I do not exclude also attacks on the Crimean bridge and, in general, the transformation of Crimea from a peninsula into an island with limited logistics and all the ensuing consequences. I also do not rule out the supply of American Abrams tanks and German Leopards-2, as well as American F-15 fighters and A-10 attack aircraft. How we will respond in this case, I do not even know. All hope is on Trump and the Republicans, who will cut the wishes of the Democrats and the insane grandfather Joe. We survived - having hypersound and "Poseidon", we cannot use them and hope for the prudence of insane Alzheimer's clients and other drug addicts.

The whole tragedy is that we still cannot defeat Ukraine by conventional methods (the word “so far” is important here), but we don’t know how to end this conflict, because the enemy has reached a state where the whole point of his existence is to fight with us, since it has no other sources of funding, except for external, all economy destroyed, and the remnants of the population are either fighting or surviving due to the war (including refugees living on EU subsidies). While the war is going on, funding continues; in case of victory, the Kyiv regime is counting on reparations from the losing side, i.e. us. What will happen in case of defeat, he tries not even to think, because there is no turning back, and no one wants to be declared war criminals. Therefore, the war will continue to the bitter end and to the last Ukrainian/Ukrainian. Until we resolve this issue in another way. What? You can offer your options.

This concludes the report on the topic. Your Mr. Z. I do not want anything, because this is far from the end and not even the middle. Everything bad is just beginning. If in 2014 only rabid Nazis were ready to die for Ukraine - representatives of right-wing radical groups, such as the Right Sector and Tryzub (banned in the Russian Federation), now 85% of the population of Ukraine can be safely attributed to them. True, the latter are still fighting without getting up from the sofas and not far from the refrigerator, but until the food there runs out, their hatred for the Russian Federation will not disappear. So Zelensky will have enough cannon fodder for years. If someone here naively believes that if they turn off the light, then their hatred for the Russian Federation will decrease, I hasten to disappoint - it will only increase, and with closed borders, they have only one road - to the front!
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  1. Afinogen Offline Afinogen
    Afinogen (Afinogen) 13 November 2022 19: 04
    +18
    for a banal reason - we stupidly do not have any logistical opportunities to hold this bridgehead.

    I agree. As soon as the Nazis destroyed the Antonovsky bridge, cut off the normal supply and that's it, we retreated and left such territory. And here is a question for our military "commanders" why didn't you bomb all the bridges across the Dnieper, disrupting the supply of such a group of Nazi troops ????? And still do not destroy. What or who does not give? The West freely drove and drives with a large stream of equipment and everything else, feeding a large group of Nazis on the left bank of the Dnieper, and our guys on the front line with big battles have to win back meters.
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 13 November 2022 19: 34
      +13
      I do not agree.
      Kherson is big nonfreezing port. Supplying barges at a reasonable minimum is not a question.
      Leave mainly snipers and gunners in positions, keep batteries on the left bank.

      The approaches to Kherson are not the railway near Lvov, and the MLRS will finish off, and aviation can work out without risk.
      And even barrel art.
      You can hold on indefinitely, fettering the large forces of the adversary.

      But I do not exclude the option that we have everything with ammunition.
      Then yes, military necessity -
      hand over Kherson and everything else, up to the initiators of the NWO in The Hague.
      1. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
        lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 15 November 2022 07: 55
        0
        Delivering supplies by barges is not an option - they will be gouged by Heimarsami. And so the situation becomes more and more sad.
    2. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 13 November 2022 20: 36
      +7
      What or who does not give?

      Rhetorical question. The answer is simple to disgrace.
      In the war between Courchevel and Kherson, Courchevel won. Curtain...
    3. Muscool Offline Muscool
      Muscool (Glory) 14 November 2022 08: 51
      0
      All sorts of bloggers say that it's expensive to bomb bridges, a lot of missiles are needed. And then they hoot with joy when Iskander arrives at some kind of sanatorium with mobilized sushniks. According to sanatoriums, hitting is not expensive.
      I thought a simultaneous salvo of 5-10 Iskander missiles, it’s normal to shred any bridge like that, if it doesn’t blow it to pieces
      1. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
        lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 15 November 2022 08: 03
        0
        Perhaps the situation is already clearly moving towards the fact that our reparations are looming on the horizon? Therefore, the less we destroy, the less we will have to pay in the future?
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  2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 13 November 2022 19: 26
    +13
    to win, you need to start fighting, and not perform body movements with a known part of the body in constant expectation of negotiations, although Putin's policy assumed this for all 20 years of his reign and nothing will change, everything will end in a shameful "peace" with all the ensuing consequences
    1. Rust1981 Offline Rust1981
      Rust1981 (R) 14 November 2022 12: 56
      +5
      Quote: rotkiv04
      Using

      To win, it was necessary to train the army, and not play soldiers in biathlons. In order not to depend on the supplies of the West, it was necessary to create our own, and not buy everything over the hill. And those who blew everything in the end do not go anywhere - they will continue to cut the budget. Even after a shameful world, do you think something will change? Let's forget about the development of our own and immediately run to buy amd, intel, windows and cocacola to boot. Draw conclusions? Yes, well, in FIG, do not bother getting kickbacks!
  3. Event Observer Offline Event Observer
    Event Observer (Oleg T) 13 November 2022 19: 27
    +19
    What wretchedness and stupor of the highest political leadership and the entire political elite of our country.
    While the oligarchic class and the nouveau riche travel to Dubai and own luxury real estate, the people must fight.
    Ukraine and Russia have competed for the past 30 years, where there is more corruption, theft, who will ruin medicine with a colossal increase in tuberculosis, as well as AIDS.

    Social equality, justice, socialism and personal responsibility of leading cadres at all levels. Up to the confiscation of property.
    The neoliberal regime, which is the Russian Federation now, does not have a single chance to achieve its goals. The jokes are over.
  4. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 13 November 2022 19: 30
    +15
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine gouged Antonovsky Bridge and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were forced to leave a vast territory on the Right Bank together with Kherson.
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not allow the RF Armed Forces to destroy the bridges across the Dnieper and, as a result, the retreat of the RF Armed Forces from Kharkov, the surrender of Liman, Izyum, Balakliya, the territory of the LPR and the DPR were not completely liberated, Donetsk and other cities are being shelled harder than before the NWO.
    If this is not betrayal, then what is?
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 14 November 2022 11: 24
      +3
      Quote: prior
      If this is not betrayal, then what is?

      And who is the traitor?
      the Supreme himself, who started all this?
      Why did you start it then, wasn’t it easier to sit on the priest exactly?

      kmk, started on the basis of some prerequisites
      (The Armed Forces of Ukraine will scatter, the population will meet loyally, the NWO will last quickly and the West will not have time to intervene)
      the actual state of affairs was different.

      Now they are trying to get out of the situation by minimizing losses, and maybe even leaving something behind.

      Why was it only pathos with referendums to arrange ....
      Or vice versa, they would draw 51% "against" in referendums,
      and then the same challenge would be "in fulfillment of the will of the people" ....
    2. lemeshkin Offline lemeshkin
      lemeshkin (lemeshkin) 15 November 2022 08: 06
      +2
      It looks like this is a wrong assessment of the situation and getting into a semblance of Afghanistan.
  5. Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 13 November 2022 19: 49
    +10
    …Department of internal security of the National Police to ask the citizens of Kherson to help identify collaborators. The Ministry of Internal Affairs informs about it.
    It is appointed that the guards of the Department of Internal Security, together with other supporters of the National Police, take part in the stabilization visits to the de-occupation territory of the Kherson region. This head meta is manifested and attracted to the fullness of the helpers of the enemy.
    People, who may have received information about accidents, were sent to the occupiers, or they were treated with them, or they were protecting the state, ask to be reminded to the hotline of the Department for a good phone number +380 50 352 ...

    https://news.bigmir.net/ua/ukraine/6914340-xersoncev-prosiat-pomoc-vyiavliat-kollaborantov

    ... PMC Wagner turned out to be perhaps the most effective of our units in Ukraine

    http://новости-россии.ru-an.info/

    ... The United States is seriously strengthening its military contingent in the countries of Eastern Europe. In particular, sources report the arrival of American transport ships in the Greek ports of Alexandroupolis and Thessaloniki from November 22 to December 7.
    The ships will carry military equipment: Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, Abrams tanks and many other weapons, as well as field kitchens to provide NATO units.
    After arriving in Greek ports, the equipment will go by rail to the US Eastern European allies in the Western bloc. In total it is planned to carry out 29!!!! flights, 22 of which are for Poland, 6 for Bulgaria and one for Romania.

    https://topcor.ru/29258-cherez-greciju-v-vostochnuju-evropu-idet-massovaja-perebroska-amerikanskih-vojsk.html

    … Mobilization? And where did the regular army of Russia go, all its millions of soldiers?

    …Russia's trade surplus set a record
    November 5, 2022 … for 9 months of the current year. From January to September, our companies exported $431 billion worth of goods, while importing only $180 billion. That is, our economy turned out to be in positive territory by $251 billion.

    http://новости-россии.ru-an.info/

    Aha! In plus...
    In a simple way, for 9 months of 2022, we were AGAIN robbed of $ 251 billion, they paid for the REAL goods with paper and virtual candy wrappers and now the war against Russia is going on with Russia's money, or 1900 dollars were pulled out of every Russian citizen's pocket, such a colonial economy without a mask . Who is the colony, I hope you understand?
  6. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 13 November 2022 19: 52
    +13
    Well, at least someone else noticed that amount of nonsense about the surrender of Kherson ....
    Surovikin could simply replace the army with PMCs and they definitely would not have surrendered Kherson and tore the Armed Forces of Ukraine to shreds.
    And they would have reached Nikolaev. But .... to see everything is rotten.

    Nobody believes that Kherson could not be kept. Nobody at all.
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 13 November 2022 20: 15
      +6
      Quote from Hiker
      Well, at least someone else noticed that amount of nonsense about the surrender of Kherson ....
      Surovikin could simply replace the army with PMCs and they definitely would not have surrendered Kherson and tore the Armed Forces of Ukraine to shreds.
      And they would have reached Nikolaev. But .... to see everything is rotten.

      Nobody believes that Kherson could not be kept. Nobody at all.

      it means that there was no such task to hold him, is it really still not clear that this is not a military necessity, this is a purely political decision, this is the style of the Kremlin strategist "one step forward, two steps back", he sold everyone and everything
      1. Fourth Offline Fourth
        Fourth (Fourth) 13 November 2022 20: 48
        +1
        Anyway, there are much more normal people who do not understand than those who left this circle, normal people.
    2. sap Offline sap
      sap (Alex) 13 November 2022 21: 12
      +6
      That's all and everything! The slave rots from the head! And in Russia, it was originally rotten. Remember the oath to the people that "as long as I am president, there will be no increase in the retirement age." And so it is with everything! Everything that was not done was done only for the benefit of their close associates. And it would be foolish to assume that this decision on Kherson was made by General Surovikin or firefighter Shoigu. I will say that this is a large-scale preparation for the transfer of 2024. For this, the necessary laws are being adopted (such as the introduction of electronic voting, the transition of all state institutions to domestic software, etc.), as well as the deliberate destruction of the most passionate, fertile, socially mature and active part of the population of the Russian Federation (at first this was done in the LDNR, remember Mozgovaya, Zakharchenko, etc. in the flesh up to Stremousov) In the LDNR, almost completely from 18 to 60 are mobilized and die at the front, by 2024 we will have the same general burial, and there will be no one to challenge the results of electoral fraud by the method of a popular strike.
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  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 November 2022 20: 22
    +2
    So, on the 4th day, the Vigilant Eye Indian cleared that there was no wall ...
    And on the eighth month, those who like to write about the genius of Putin's plans, speeches and red lines, saw something wrong, and they seemed to be cheated ....

    The question is - how many times is the Indian from the joke sharper?
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  10. DeadPahom Offline DeadPahom
    DeadPahom (Eugene) 13 November 2022 20: 53
    -4
    What does not suit the version presented by the VPR? Why come up with conspiracy theories of conspiracy agreements? Well, they said, it makes no military sense to keep the right bank of the Kherson region in the current situation. In conditions of complicated logistics, standing distracts too many forces and means.
  11. svit55 Offline svit55
    svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 13 November 2022 20: 57
    +8
    No matter how you analyze it, the result is the same - an agreement and betrayal. Kherson is very well located, there is water on both sides, it is very problematic to take such a fortified area. It is impossible to surround him! You can deliver everything you need by water, keeping the enemy at a distance.
  12. Adm Hts Offline Adm Hts
    Adm Hts (AdmHts) 13 November 2022 20: 59
    +9
    I still don't know who the author is...
    Deal, you say no...
    He is not on his own battlefield ...
    He is in other places - where the gesheft is in specie ...

    A selection of posts on the topic:
    - Statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry on the possibility of negotiations with Kyiv without "preconditions"
    - Washington extended for more than six months, until mid-May 2023, the permission of credit institutions for transactions related to the export of energy from Russia.
    - lifting of sanctions against Abramovich, a participant in many dubious deals "for Ukraine"
    - The London Metal Exchange refused to ban the circulation of products from the Russian Federation
    - The US allowed India to buy Russian oil at a cost above the price ceiling, without using the services of Western companies
    - The Netherlands allowed the shipment of 20 thousand tons of Russian fertilizers to Africa, stuck in the port due to sanctions against the owner of the cargo.
    = London has issued a general trade license, which allows the provision of financial services for the supply of fertilizers from Russia to third countries.
    - Washington until mid-May 2023 extended the permission of credit institutions for transactions related to the export of energy from the Russian Federation.
    Coincidences?
    Decide for yourself.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 14 November 2022 13: 03
      -3
      and what do you care who the author of the text?
  13. Adm Hts Offline Adm Hts
    Adm Hts (AdmHts) 13 November 2022 21: 01
    +8
    As for Kutuzov and Moscow - he first had Borodino ...
    and Surovikin has a Kremlin television circus, instead of a council in Fili ...
  14. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 13 November 2022 21: 07
    0
    Have you surrendered the Kinburn Spit to the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
  15. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 13 November 2022 21: 17
    +9
    Along the way, reality is much worse than this Z describes it
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  16. Garygar Offline Garygar
    Garygar (Garygar) 13 November 2022 22: 06
    +11
    The author is thrown from one extreme to another. Why was it necessary to write pumping text at the beginning to finish with “ah, it's all about logistics!”. Two texts below, the author spoke colorfully and intriguingly about the imminent and positive completion of the SVO, and now one feels panic, confusion and, most importantly, a lack of understanding. Maybe it's better then to just wait for the end, and not guess on the coffee grounds, especially getting your finger into the sky every time? With all due respect to the author.
  17. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 13 November 2022 23: 11
    +5
    I do not agree with the respected Mr. Z, the story about logistics does not work in my head, logistics is a false overseas word with the aim of confusing everything, a synonym for supply, delivery, this is not the most difficult thing in war, easily mobilized resources in the form of trucks and diesel fuel, the width of the Dnieper 1 km, in some places 200 meters, air defense, for example, Kakhovka dams, can be completely provided by simply increasing the number of air defense systems and their density, .... many consider the surrender of Kherson to be simply dirty and unjustified betrayal, such as Rozhdestvensky’s intentional directed actions in Tsushima, the performance with the report of Surovikin Shoigu is a pure staging, their acting skills are less than mine, it is clear that both of them are following orders ... for example, Shoigu, logically, before supporting Surovikin, he had to ask questions and make sure that the situation was really hopeless ... that is, they agreed earlier or received someone's order, but who can order them? .... perhaps the real reason is indicated honestly, "they are afraid of losses" .... now political polls are actively resembling, someone wants to know the attitude of the population towards the war .... of course there are deserters and draft dodgers, but when 300 thousand were called up, 700 thousand were found deserters, .... a rotten society, no better than what pro ... lo (including sold, betrayed, profuko and other indecent verbs with the same meaning) their country in 1991, no one wants to fight, much less die in Ukraine, for Ukraine, the situation is similar to 1941, for 30 years the authorities of the Russian Federation did not want Ukraine, because it would be trite to feed it from oil and gas revenues, and now that the pipes have lost their significance, then even more so Ukraine is, as it were, not needed, not needed !! ????!, the population of the Russian Federation also does not need it now, everyone understood that crests are not brothers, so why release them, and then feed them to share oil and gas revenues? as one of my friends who returned from the Black Sea region said, the population there "is waiting for the Nazis to return to hit in the back" .... such rotten souls there, snobbery is the very opinion of a hypertrophied CSF, brought up during ... 1921-2022, that is, they are Ukrainians there they have been educating in this spirit for 100 years!!!! ... the FSB has been working in the liberated territories, it is not numerous and cannot physically cover the whole of Ukraine, the FSB has tasks within the Russian Federation, they have not been canceled .... after the start of its own, there were more of them , the whole liberal party howled and not all of it fled, it is like a roaring lion ready to pounce on Putin and his team .... Putin did not plan to attack Ukraine, but was forced to strike knowing that otherwise they would strike first, the reason for the war is the fact that the Russian Federation stopped paying tribute to America in January 2022, and in February the Ukrofascist troops accumulated to strike .... The United States planned not only external military pressure on the Russian Federation, but also internal pressure caused by the losses of Russian soldiers, special officer Putin understands this very well that’s why he saves the soldiers, doesn’t send conscripts, doesn’t conduct general mobilization ... now Putin is trying to turn the war into a sluggish one,

    1. take care of the soldiers in order to prevent the liberals from overthrowing power (an erroneous half-hearted decision, you need to take care of the soldiers and actively put pressure on the liberals in the media, expel them and send them massively instructively to the construction of the Yakutsk Magadan railway, call ultra patriots in the media and education, take out the Stalinist and royal techniques and propaganda tools and actively apply them)
    2 to develop those weapons that turned out to be so necessary in a new war for which the generals were not prepared (an erroneous half-hearted decision, it is necessary to develop those weapons that turned out to be so necessary in a new war for which the generals were not prepared, and also actively fight bureaucrats, embezzlers, bribe takers and thieves , plant 1937, reduce bureaucratic obstacles for business, disperse 200 extortionate supervision, including the traffic police, all this corrupt mass of bureaucrats of parasites will be the first to betray Putin, how they were the first to betray Nicholas II and how they betrayed Soviet power, for thieves and traitors, and save money to transfer to the security forces of the NKVD)
    3 make Ukraine a burden for the West and make it clear that this is for a long time,
    4 to make sure that all Russians understand that something needs to be solved with the Ukrainians (as in 1942) ... Ukrainians will inevitably start terrorist attacks, as the Americans did through Arab bandits in the period between the first and second Chechen wars ....
    5 turn Ukraine into a wild field of opposing gangs, food will be taken out through a grain deal, a famine will begin, darkness without the warmth of light, total devastation, like in 1917-1921 or in Chechnya in the 90s, sooner or later one or another force ready to cooperate with the Russian Federation will be formed there, after that, crush the ukrov with a second war, which will be easier. for the cities are empty, arrogance will decrease and the desire of the Ukrainians to fight will decrease from hunger and hopelessness .......

    I don’t know if it will work out ... ..... the key to victory is the arrival of the RUSSIAN people to the Orthodox faith, if they come, they will win, .... and if they don’t come, they won’t want to abandon the ideas of the Yaroslavl Emelka (Gubelman) shot by Stalin and ideas of the rotten liberal intelligentsia of the Darwinists continuously destroying Russia, then a total defeat !!!!! .... Putin needs to remember the cross of Constantine the Great "SIM win!" for not surrendering Kherson, no other agreements with the west will save him and his team under any circumstances
    1. gene1 Offline gene1
      gene1 (Gennady) 14 November 2022 09: 55
      0
      Quote: vladimir1155
      5 turn Ukraine into a wild field of opposing gangs, food will be taken out through a grain deal, a famine will begin, darkness without the warmth of light, total devastation, like in 1917-1921 or in Chechnya in the 90s, sooner or later one or another force ready to cooperate with the Russian Federation will be formed there, after that, crush the ukrov with a second war, which will be easier. for the cities are empty, arrogance will decrease and the desire of the Ukrainians to fight will decrease from hunger and hopelessness .......

      Absolutely right, it will. Especially to the point: "the wild field of opposing gangs." I think by next winter CHAOS will reach its climax.
  18. Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 13 November 2022 23: 22
    -3
    It's embarrassing to read all this nonsense and his comments ...
    Kherson and the right-bank part were captured in order to hold referendums on the largest possible territory and include it in Russia ... It was most likely not planned to keep the right bank ... It's cruel. cynically? What to do? With such logistics, the small number of groups for the total length of the front, the retreat near Kharkov and the withdrawal from Kherson were obvious. There is probably a bit too much cheap PR and politics in the operation, the foolishness of the General Staff when planning and assessing the situation of the initial stage ...
  19. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 14 November 2022 09: 25
    +1
    Reading the article, you once again regret that hidden enemies, namely alarmists and provocateurs, are not shot today, although wartime.
    1. borisvt Offline borisvt
      borisvt (boris) 14 November 2022 11: 00
      -4
      Exactly! Yes, and among the commentators, it is felt that there are enough enemies. I include those who tirelessly repeat "Putin, Putin, it's to blame, everything is rotten, down with him" and so on. Well, yes, he bronzed, passed his health during the pandemic years - this is visible, but not foolish! He must think about what he is risking, because if he really gives back, then the electorate will not forgive, this is wartime, and not just hydrocarbon supplies and disputes about where to build a gas pipeline.
      So it spins as best it can, in order to taxi to achieve the goal and not gurgle into the use of nuclear weapons. Because the states, our main NATO adversary, are not afraid of anything yet except for the nuclear threat on their territory. And that time has not yet come, fortunately, probably.
  20. andrey682006 Offline andrey682006
    andrey682006 (Andrei) 14 November 2022 12: 26
    0
    And who is the author of the text?
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 14 November 2022 13: 04
      +1
      This concludes the report on the topic. Your Mister Z. I do not want anything, because this is far from the end and not even the middle. Everything bad is just beginning. If in 2014 only rabid Nazis were ready to die for Ukraine - representatives of right-wing radical groups, such as the Right Sector and Tryzub (banned in the Russian Federation), now 85% of the population of Ukraine can be safely attributed to them. True, the latter are still fighting without getting up from the sofas and not far from the refrigerator, but until the food there runs out, their hatred for the Russian Federation will not disappear. So Zelensky will have enough cannon fodder for years. If someone here naively believes that if they turn off the light, then their hatred for the Russian Federation will decrease, I hasten to disappoint - it will only increase, and with closed borders, they have only one road - to the front!

      highlighted in bold by the author
      1. gene1 Offline gene1
        gene1 (Gennady) 14 November 2022 15: 06
        0
        Of course there will be more anger. We don't care about their anger. Lack of electricity in Ukraine to reduce the resource base for spiders. You see: there are no products on the shelves, but there is in the back room. People have masks, machine guns, but there is nothing to eat. The conclusion suggests itself. This is at the household level. Slightly higher enterprises, banks,...harvested crops, harvested wood,...This is chaos.
      2. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 15 November 2022 14: 11
        0
        you take into account only the inhabitants of Ukraine in 2014? there, back in 1991, there were enough ready to fight for Ukraine, unfortunately ....., remember the enthusiasm of the mass insanity on and around the Maidan, the rotten arrogance of crests was even earlier in the USSR .... remember the fees for the zahidniks, not only the Nazis , and the mass insanity of the rotten people ... but you didn’t take into account that in 2014 the Russian Federation was not ready to fight in international politics and economics, disconnecting from the swift, blocking the pipe .... the army was worse than now, and now it turned out that it is incapable win without high losses of infantry ..... and how many millions of crests will be brought to the battlefield and how many denazify it is not important for me, the Americans or the authorities of the ukrov, because now we don’t go on the attack in formation, but we need weapons, it decides everything to a greater extent than masses of infantry, but everyone in life is interested in eliminating more fascists, ours so that they do not have to be re-educated later, Zelensky so that they are not re-educated later, and the Americans so that more damage is done to Russia's bad weather
      3. Garygar Offline Garygar
        Garygar (Garygar) 15 November 2022 20: 21
        +1
        No one has long been counting on the loyalty of the population. Russia systematically defends its interests. Will re-educate later, if any.
  21. El13 Offline El13
    El13 (El13) 14 November 2022 13: 16
    0
    ... how two different people write articles ... disappointed ... I don’t read or comment further ... I won’t waste time ... I recognize Marzhetsky in general from the first lines - I wind it down - for sure ... so much time is saved !
  22. Akula Kharkiv 2 Offline Akula Kharkiv 2
    Akula Kharkiv 2 (Alik) 14 November 2022 13: 27
    +2
    Survived two assassination attempts. Second successful. - it's like, if successful, then did not survive.
    not the point.

    author, forecast, when will General Armageddon announce an evacuation from Crimea?
    1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 14 November 2022 18: 52
      0
      Let's start with the fact that Crimea is not Kherson and no evacuation from it is simply impossible.
  23. depavel Offline depavel
    depavel (Pavel Pavlovich) 14 November 2022 13: 42
    -1
    Which state suits the first persons of the Russian state? Indirect answer, 1500 CIA's on which path did they set their domestic policy? Which of them did what? Why not published? The goal of the West is the New World Order! A year ago, Kyiv carried out mobilization, we are not, partial mobilization is sufficient for the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine? Why apartheid since 2002 to compatriot migrants (he survived with his children)?
  24. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
    soloist2424 (Oleg) 14 November 2022 16: 41
    +1
    Interesting people are still analysts. I remember, criticizing the Second World War, they shouted that the cities did not give up, because politics was above military necessity. Now the city has been surrendered due to military necessity - but what about the political image ?! You already decide.
  25. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
    soloist2424 (Oleg) 14 November 2022 16: 50
    +1
    Now for this quote.

    If in 2014 only rabid Nazis were ready to die for Ukraine - representatives of right-wing radical groups, such as the Right Sector and Trident (banned in the Russian Federation), now 85% of the population of Ukraine can be safely attributed to them ... So cannon fodder Zelensky will have enough for years.

    In 1939, the Poles had a fairly high morale, people were ready to fight, but the capture of the capital, the defeat of the army put an end to Poland's resistance. So the decisive factor in the war will not be the hatred of the Ukrainians for the Russians, but the military and economic capabilities of the country. They will give Ukraine money, weapons...they will continue to fight. They won’t give it, they will shoot from the Kalash at the tanks and scatter.
  26. Google Map Offline Google Map
    Google Map (Google Map) 14 November 2022 17: 38
    +2
    The war started, but the door to Europe was not closed. And now, through these open gates, help is coming to the Ukrainian army from all over the planet, weapons, mercenaries from all over the planet are going to get their dose of adrenaline, and they will get good money for it. Putin then said: we don’t have to fight NATO then, well, he looked like water. So it is. We will not win this war for anything until we block the border between Ukraine and Europe. It was necessary to attack with all your might from the territory of Belarus, even from the Crimea, there was no need to send an army in the west in the south-west of Belarus to gather a fist and strike properly, and all Ukrainian military fortifications in the Donbass would lose any meaning to everything that they had been building a penny there for 8 years the price and nonsense is a comma and you would have to leave everything in the Donbass and go to fight in the west of Ukraine, especially since the Donbass are Russian lands and the Russian population where they staged this massacre, setting the Russian-speaking population against Russia.
    1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 14 November 2022 18: 45
      -2
      The West is very timid and reluctant to provide military assistance to Ukraine. Remember - the whole of February, March, it was only about light weapons. And only when the attacks of the western regions began, the deliveries of artillery systems and equipment began. If this had happened immediately after the start of the JI, then the indecision of the Western "partners" would have been much less. Of course, the logistics itself would slow down somewhat, but the number of weapons supplied would increase dramatically. And if Western suppliers were hit, things would take a very bad turn.
  27. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
    Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 14 November 2022 17: 59
    0
    About the sheep in the commanders straight to the point. And our soldiers are lions.
  28. voznesensky Offline voznesensky
    voznesensky (Oleg Petrovich) 14 November 2022 18: 18
    0
    From the whole lengthy and rather confused and contradictory (as is often the case with Mr. "Z") article, I want to single out one single phrase. And only because the meaning laid down in it completely coincided with my feeling, which I experienced almost immediately after the official announcement of the surrender of Kherson, pictorially designed in the form of a report shown on TV and Surovikov's offer to surrender, made to the Minister of Defense. Here is the phrase:

    Everything was done too deliberately, as if for show, and an order to withdraw troops from the commander of the NVO Surovikin would have been enough, and then for some reason they also connected Shoigu ... Something is wrong here!

    The key word here is DEFINITELY. It was the deliberateness of all this action that then cut my consciousness with the naturally followed thought that something was wrong here. Various assumptions can be made about the real meaning of this fake scene, as well as about the strange, as it were, non-participation of the President in it, who, according to all accepted traditions, when making such an important decision, it would seem, should have made an appeal to the nation, but ... this is not did. Time will tell what it was. And if it really was a game, then was it worth the candle.
    1. Akula Kharkiv 2 Offline Akula Kharkiv 2
      Akula Kharkiv 2 (Alik) 15 November 2022 07: 01
      +2
      to cover up Shoigu in surrender, so that later he can blame defeat on him. and the president is only where victory is.
  29. Samno Marr Offline Samno Marr
    Samno Marr (Samno Marr) 14 November 2022 19: 02
    +1
    Motto:

    An army of rams led by a lion will always triumph over an army of lions led by a ram.

    (Napoleon Bonaparte)

    The certainly talented General Napoleon eventually lost all his wars, bringing his beloved France to its knees. Good intentions always lead to the same result.
  30. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 14 November 2022 20: 22
    0
    Why Kherson is not Moscow, and Zelensky is not Napoleon

    In general, who in this whole story is Napoleon, or at least D'Artagnan? winked
  31. Valery is evil Offline Valery is evil
    Valery is evil (Valery Razin) 14 November 2022 20: 42
    0
    Maybe I'm bloodthirsty, and I don't understand the political situation, but let someone explain to me why Russia needs nuclear weapons if they can't be used, well, of course, not tactical, but real strategic ones. If Putin has a plan, let him announce it, I hope that this is not the destruction of the population of Russia.
    1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 15 November 2022 13: 57
      0
      tactical and strategic nuclear weapons differ only in range, I believe that it is possible to show the main trump card using the example of Lviv, but on the other hand, they may not see military necessity in this, ... the trump card in the sleeve is sometimes worse than what has already been shown and it turned out that it is possible survive
  32. usm5 Offline usm5
    usm5 (George) 14 November 2022 21: 50
    +2
    The thing is, in my opinion, that Russia turned out to be unprepared for either a conventional war or a nuclear war. All this is the main reason for the paradoxical (at first glance) behavior of its leadership. The most interesting thing is that the CBO illuminated all these "sores" like an x-ray, without which they simply could not be seen. Therefore, "sores" are urgently eliminated, and therefore they maneuver on the battlefield, in politics and the economy. A very dangerous game that requires filigree technique to win. The enemy is also far from being a goof, he put the "inverted" Russians under arms, armed them to the teeth (do you seriously think that we are informed about all the deliveries of weapons?), Provided them with the necessary funding and training, so they fight like lions and win not looking at losses. I understand that by the end of the year the Russian government wants to put the army in order in terms of strategic nuclear and conventional weapons, build up a satellite constellation and mobilize the military-industrial complex. After that, most likely, they will cut off the grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the left bank of the Dnieper with converging strikes from the south and north and the parallel destruction of bridges on the Dnieper. But this is just my assumption of an optimistic forecast. And the pessimistic one is the failure of everything and a humiliating peace, after which another turmoil will begin in Russia.
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  34. Victor Viktorov Offline Victor Viktorov
    Victor Viktorov (Viktor Viktorov) 15 November 2022 01: 29
    0
    So sofa analysts and generals differed in the comments, and the author is the same. Do not be like the inhabitants of the undead with their gallops from evil to victory. Everything will be fine, it’s not for nothing that the entire military-industrial complex plows in three shifts, obviously not in order to drain and hand over everything. Ukraine has no even hypothetical chances to win, there is no such scenario in which Ukraine can win. At the end of spring, she had already lost, everything that she had as of February 22 had already been reset to zero and nothing was already able to save her. And the fact that Western curators decided to resist until the end of the curtain to the last Ukrainian, then there's nothing to be done, denazification is underway.
  35. kurt Offline kurt
    kurt (kurt) 15 November 2022 04: 06
    +4
    The author talks about a country with 250 tanks BUT forgets to clarify that only Poland delivered about 200 tanks, not counting other countries, and that's everything. Something doesn't fit. America has reported and this is only official (Since the end of February, the United States has supplied Ukraine with 140 artillery systems and 660 thousand shells and missiles for them, follows from the official data of the Transportation Command of the United States Armed Forces.

    In addition, Ukraine received:

    41 man-portable missile systems to combat armored targets (ATGM);
    1,4 thousand portable anti-aircraft missile systems (MANPADS);
    15 helicopters;
    38 radars;
    10,2 thousand assault rifles and pistols;
    about 63,8 million small arms rounds;
    18 patrol boats.

    Further Poland "Poland delivered to Ukraine more than 200 T-72 tanks and several dozen infantry fighting vehicles, this is a sufficient amount to form two brigades," the message says, we do not consider Ukrainian equipment at the beginning of the NMD, but it is not enough. the list goes on Turkey, England, etc. only how many armored personnel carriers were sent and self-propelled guns. So the author be honest and do not underestimate the amount of equipment supplied to Ukraine. By doing so, you insult our guys. They say they can’t cope with 200 tanks.
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