What threatens Russia with reconciliation with the Kyiv regime


The special military operation launched by Vladimir Putin on February 24, 2022 has been going on for nearly nine months. Today, when the unpleasant smell of “Minsk-3” begins to spread in the air again, it makes sense to talk about some of its results and how the “agreement” between Kyiv and the Kremlin can be treated in Russia itself and beyond.


For that fought for it and ran?


Announcing the beginning of the NWO on February 24, 2022, Vladimir Putin formulated its goals and objectives as follows:

In accordance with Article 51 of Part 7 of the UN Charter, with the sanction of the Federation Council of Russia and in pursuance of the treaties of friendship and mutual assistance ratified by the Federal Assembly on February 22 this year with the Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic, I have decided to conduct a special military operation.
Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the Kyiv regime for eight years. And for this, we will strive for the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, as well as for bringing to justice those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including citizens of the Russian Federation.

What are the results of the special operation after almost nine months?

At first, the main task of liberating the Donbass has not been completed. It was not possible to take all the Ukrainian fortified areas, built over 8 years of connivance with the Kyiv regime during the Minsk agreements, with a swoop. The progress of the Russian troops forward is very slow, with heavy losses on both sides. The capital of the DPR is still under shelling, only now they are hitting Donetsk with large-caliber NATO-style shells. For this, Donetsk and Donbas residents should “thank” those who care about the safety of the Ukrainian railway infrastructure, which allows for reliable supply of the APU grouping and free maneuvering of reserves.

The loss of Balakleya, Kupyansk and Izyum during the rapid "regrouping" of the RF Armed Forces in the Kharkov region made it almost impossible to liberate the Slavyansko-Kramatorsk agglomeration through encirclement. Now this most powerful fortified area will have to be taken head-on, putting under it, perhaps, half of the Russian army and the People's Militia. And you can’t not take it, because the water supply of the capital of the DPR and its other cities, up to Mariupol, is tied to Slavyansk. If anyone does not know, Donetsk has been without water for the ninth month and will remain without it for an indefinitely long time. Even if we take Slavyansk, Kyiv will simply stop pumping water through the Dnieper-Donbas energy-type canal.

In other words, having sort of solved the problem with the water supply of Crimea, Russia now has a problem with the water supply of its two new industrialized regions of Donbass, which cannot be solved peacefully.

Secondly, instead of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine, its accelerated nazification and militarization took place. The Kyiv regime is continuously saturated with the most modern Western weapons. The population of Nezalezhnaya, left without light and heat due to shelling of the country's energy system, is filled with pride that the "Russian occupiers" were driven out first from near Kyiv, then in four days - from the Kharkov region, and now - from Kherson without a fight at all. The next target for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the Azov region, then the Crimea, and then it will be seen.

Thirdly, somewhat disappointed with the results demonstrated in real combat by the Russian army and navy. This is unpleasant, but such is the harsh reality that must be reckoned with. Everyone has already heard about the problems in the Russian army. These are supply difficulties, and numerous complaints from military personnel about ill-conceived orders from commanders, and the bewilderment of people in the trenches under shelling why the enemy’s transport infrastructure is not being destroyed, allowing him to rotate and not experience a shortage of ammunition. Judging by the fact that at the front one has to fight with T-62M tanks from the Brezhnev era and D-1 howitzers from the era of Comrade Stalin, rumors about 80% of the latest weapons in the RF Armed Forces turned out to be somewhat exaggerated.

The Black Sea Fleet managed to lose its flagship, the missile cruiser Moskva, the large landing ship Saratov, and the tugboat Vasily Bekh. The way the defense and supply of Serpent's Island was organized, without air support, caused genuine amazement. Against this background, the explosions at the airfield of the Naval Aviation of the Black Sea Fleet in Novofedorovka, which destroyed several combat aircraft, as well as the partially successful attack of the Ukrainian Navy on the main naval base in Sevastopol, looked not so much an accident as a kind of regularity.

Fourthly, Russian society itself is very much divided within itself. About 30%, let's conditionally call them "liberals", they did not support Putin and his special operation from the very beginning and now they have only strengthened their convictions, which we will discuss in detail told previously. The president's support was the remaining 70%, which included "patriots" and conditional "zaputintsy", but now they have split too. The real “patriots” were not ready to accept either the surrender of Kherson or the upcoming “Minsk-3”, which brings shame to the country from reconciliation with the Nazi regime in Kyiv and the inevitable future war with Ukraine for territories, even more terrible and bloody than the NWO.

A certain split has also emerged among the “zaputins”, who supported the president always and in everything, sincerely believing in his mind, strength and justice. What has happened in the Ukrainian direction over the past nine months has brought confusion to their ranks as well. There are too many questions that have no easy answers. On the eve of 2024, when the next presidential election is due in Russia, this is an extremely dangerous trend.

Fifthly, what the NWO has turned into will undoubtedly have a very strong impact on the international prestige of Russia and its national leader. Detractors and open enemies are already openly laughing at us. The conditional “friends and partners” will also reconsider their attitude towards the Kremlin. About how Beijing's approach to Moscow will change, the well-known Israeli expert Yakov Kedmi quite accurately formulated:

China will determine its attitude towards Russia precisely by how these military operations will take place. If they are successful, the relationship will develop. If they are less successful, God forbid, then China will understand that it can only rely on itself.

If you call a spade a spade, our country is step by step moving towards the deepest domestic political crisis, which the “Western partners” and their agents of influence will undoubtedly try to take advantage of to destabilize the situation up to the collapse of the Russian Federation into several dozen quasi-states at war with each other. Conciliation between the Kremlin and Kyiv will not save the situation, but, on the contrary, will only aggravate it, forcing a significant part of society to turn away from power.

The only acceptable option to get out of this trap is to achieve a complete and unconditional victory over the criminal Kyiv regime, betraying it to the tribunal. Only this will make it possible to consolidate society, eliminate the threat of an even more terrible war on the part of an actively Nazified and militarizing Ukraine, and create the prerequisites for future socio-economic growth.
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  1. Skipper Offline Skipper
    Skipper (Skipper) 11 November 2022 11: 55
    +28
    Putin has now embarked on the path of Nicholas 2 ... that is, softness .... cowardice ... excessive kindness and liberalism with democracy and the game of mercy and Leopold is a fatal mistake ... which can destroy him himself (will be hanged) and Russia itself ... to the applause of the entire West and the United States.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 12 November 2022 02: 21
      +6
      Putin has now embarked on the path of Nicholas II.

      I do not think that Putin, who inherited everything from Yeltsin, the puppet of the Anglo-Saxons, has such an opportunity. He has a different path. Most likely - the same puppet, and he did not stand on it today. Confirmation - the whole history of Russia since 2000, and its current situation
  2. oleg Pesotsky Online oleg Pesotsky
    oleg Pesotsky (Oleg Pesotsky) 11 November 2022 12: 07
    +18
    It's funny that when I wrote that in Russia the personnel policy is carried out according to the principle - we do not need smart people, we need devotees, then I heard so many insults addressed to me! When it was said that this "elite" that the leadership of the country cherishes and cherishes and will betray, then such people were called scoundrels, crests and all sorts of other obscene nicknames. And who was right? Only here is something not joyful from "rightness"
  3. Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 11 November 2022 12: 41
    +27
    We have already here a fat red track from the "red lines" formed, along which the enemy rides without any fear at all.

    Gostomel.
    Kyiv region.
    Sumy region.
    Chernihiv region.
    BDK "Saratov".
    Cruiser Moscow.
    Island "Snake".
    A grain "we got ripped off" deal.
    Belgorod region.
    Kursk region.
    Voronezh region.
    The murder of Daria Dugina.
    Airfield in Novofedorovka.
    Murders of officials and prosecutors.
    Exchange "Azov".
    The death of children in Donetsk.
    Kharkov region.
    Red Lyman.
    A piece of the Kherson region.
    Northern streams.
    A piece of the Lugansk Republic.
    Crimean bridge.
    2nd grain surrender
    Kherson,
    And it all started with white flags under which the "athletes" of Rosiyani performed at competitions and olympiads.
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 11 November 2022 13: 10
      +5
      All this is already more than enough.
      1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 12 November 2022 19: 28
        +1
        Well, how many more individuals who pray to the icon and are ready to follow Moses ....
    2. Ulan.1812 Offline Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 (Boris Gerasimov) 11 November 2022 20: 22
      +5
      Quote: Jstas
      We have already here a fat red track from the "red lines" formed, along which the enemy rides without any fear at all.

      Gostomel.
      Kyiv region.
      Sumy region.
      Chernihiv region.
      BDK "Saratov".
      Cruiser Moscow.
      Island "Snake".
      A grain "we got ripped off" deal.
      Belgorod region.
      Kursk region.
      Voronezh region.
      The murder of Daria Dugina.
      Airfield in Novofedorovka.
      Murders of officials and prosecutors.
      Exchange "Azov".
      The death of children in Donetsk.
      Kharkov region.
      Red Lyman.
      A piece of the Kherson region.
      Northern streams.
      A piece of the Lugansk Republic.
      Crimean bridge.
      2nd grain surrender
      Kherson,
      And it all started with white flags under which the "athletes" of Rosiyani performed at competitions and olympiads.

      That's right, but it began with white flags, when we showed our weakness.
      Then our enemies realized that we can be bent.
      And off we go.
    3. alexandre II Offline alexandre II
      alexandre II (Alexander) 12 November 2022 10: 44
      +5
      So, finally, at least one person said it out loud, the beginning of the end of Russia was precisely the disrespect for their country, not only from the athletes, but from the guarantor, that led to such results, he always did not care about the country and the people ....
  4. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 November 2022 12: 43
    0
    The only acceptable option to get out of this trap is to achieve a complete and unconditional victory over the criminal Kyiv regime, betraying it to the tribunal.

    Probably the Anglo-Saxons have two scenarios that lead them to the same result.
    1. The plan of inciting war in Europe with the help of Russia.
    Russia, which started it in Ukraine, must be destroyed in this war, and Europe, weakened by its hands, must become an industrial appendage of the States that have lost their own production. Russia's resources go to the Anglo-Saxons, they become even stronger and reign on two continents. Next - the conquest of China.
    In this scenario, Russia's desire to deep into Ukraine is a direct road to the war planned by the Anglo-Saxons with NATO, in which it will not survive.
    2. Russia does not go to Ukraine and is on the defensive. The prospect of the first (main) option + work, subordinate to the States of the media, force the industry of Europe to move into the territory of the Anglo-Saxons. The leadership of Russia, subordinate to the Anglo-Saxons, as a result of "justified" retreats, step by step, "quietly" surrenders its territory to the Anglo-Saxons.
    In both options, Russia's nuclear weapons are under the control of the Anglo-Saxons, in whose interests Putin is working after Yeltsin, and is not a deterrent, like her army.
    The only acceptable option to get out of this trap is to completely change Putin and the comprador leadership of the country, which has been "preparing" it for 20 years in accordance with the plans of the Anglo-Saxons (dismantling the manufacturing sector, depriving the country of its own investments, storing money in the West, castration of the army by the hands of Serdyukov, handing over to the enemy half of the state reserves, climbing into a trap in Ukraine), and now it is being handed over to them
    1. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
      Luenkov (Arkady) 13 November 2022 17: 38
      0
      Russia did not start a war in Ukraine, please do not whistle. 100 people were killed in Kyiv to start what?
  5. Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 11 November 2022 12: 43
    -3
    And everything will calm down with a red line across the Urals, where the NATO occupation zone will be on the left, and the Chinese occupation zone on the right.
  6. Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
    Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 11 November 2022 12: 51
    -14
    "Does the abandonment of Kherson mean the curtailment of the NMD and the achievement of a peaceful settlement" - this article was published yesterday at 17.02. "What threatens Russia with reconciliation with the Kyiv regime" - this is today at 11.40. The essence of the articles is to put out the light, drain the water, everything is gone. And in my opinion this is a veiled spread of panic under the guise of analytical reflections. Do we have a soft-bodied commander-in-chief? Maybe.
    1. Sapsan136 Online Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Alexander) 11 November 2022 13: 07
      +21
      Solid would have hung on lampposts for a long time all those involved in the theft of military uniforms from military depots and other state property ... those responsible for draining half of the money of the Russian Federation to the West ... and Nikolay-2 2-a will only bring grief to the Russian Federation ... and the problem is here not in the author of the article ... but in those who make such articles relevant with their own hands, and with impunity, unfortunately ... Cottages in London burn frogs ... that's the problem, and not in the author of the article ...
    2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 November 2022 14: 12
      +5
      "The Fifth Column" is alive. She likes everything. Another would be to bend criticism, and you can surrender the country without interference at all
    3. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 12 November 2022 17: 01
      +4
      And in my opinion this is a veiled spread of panic under the guise of analytical reflections.

      Yes of course! And trenches are being dug with an excavator in the Belgorod region, too, from nothing to do ...
      Concrete gouges are imported ... Probably for biathlon? .. Not?

      https://riafan.ru/23745546-voenkori_fan_posetili_liniyu_vagnera_v_belgorodskoi_oblasti
  7. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 11 November 2022 13: 05
    +15
    Even more stupidity and absurdity than the peace negotiations with the criminal Nazi regime in Kyiv is even hard to imagine, the signing of the Minsk agreements was a huge mistake, and this peace treaty could become a real disaster for Russia, do they still not understand this at the top.
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 11 November 2022 18: 09
      +5
      Quote: sgrabik
      Even more stupidity and absurdity than the peace negotiations with the criminal Nazi regime in Kyiv is even hard to imagine, the signing of the Minsk agreements was a huge mistake, and this peace treaty could become a real disaster for Russia, do they still not understand this at the top.

      they all perfectly understand and realize what they are doing, judging by all the events that are taking place, this is their plan
    2. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 12 November 2022 17: 32
      0
      this peace treaty could be a real disaster for Russia

      This question of the nouveau riches and the politicians lured by them is of the least concern - the loot must be saved! So they save ... or hide it more securely ... A queue has already lined up for Roma ... Oil painting - "Walkers at Abramovich's".
    3. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 12 November 2022 19: 33
      +1
      so besides them, who else can negotiate with the Nazis, not soldiers from the front line ...
  8. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 11 November 2022 13: 26
    +2
    The problem is that after so many victims there is no need to talk about any "pacification"
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 12 November 2022 16: 51
      +1
      after so many victims, there is no need to talk about any "reconciliation"

      Do you seriously think so?
  9. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 11 November 2022 13: 43
    +5
    And what did you want?
    Propaganda rushes through the same stages as in 1914.
    As if they didn’t remember how all the promises of power ended up to the 24th?
    BUT suddenly everyone was so "inspired", so they "believed" .. And those who did not believe, they were closed ...

    But here's the promises and after the 24th end the same.
    While some are shooting, others have secured their immunity and are dividing property behind their backs.
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 12 November 2022 16: 46
      +2
      While some are shooting, others have secured their immunity and are dividing property behind their backs.

      Someone divides, someone returns - and not without success ...

      Here is one example of pure coincidence: the oligarch Abramovich was spinning and spinning around Istanbul and Kyiv, and Minsk-3 almost happened, he turned around again - and now the Nazis, “who cannot be let go”, are already free, on the warm shores, the withdrawal of troops from Kherson, and the police of the island of Jersey (a self-governing territory of Great Britain) recognized the searches carried out in April in premises associated with Abramovich as illegal and agreed to pay damages and apologize to the billionaire

      Full text at the link below...

      https://3mv.ru/184642-kto-meshaet-voevat-surovikinu.html
  10. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 11 November 2022 14: 14
    +3
    The only acceptable option to get out of this trap is to achieve complete and unconditional Victory

    Apparently, there is no question of any victory.
    Guidance according to any version of the world,
    and gradually returns, as it were, all acquisitions to the battlefield.

    Ukraine, after all, is categorically against Minsk-3.

    To pretend that they are giving in to the (new) Russian region under the pressure of military expediency is a much smaller blow to the remnants of the image than to give up this region (s) in the negotiations.

    So, according to you, everything goes to

    up to the collapse of the Russian Federation into several dozen quasi-states at war with each other.
  11. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 11 November 2022 14: 41
    +4
    Plus to the author for another sincere and polemical article!
    Agreeing with four points, with the fifth, as well as with the general conclusion - perhaps I will argue. As a resident of our country, who has seen both the 80s and 90s, I believe that we are not threatened by any collapse into dozens of quasi-states in the near future. Just as a deep political crisis does not threaten, in my deep conviction.
    A lot of our citizens now live quite well, although they grumble at the authorities, and they definitely won’t rush into the street to rebel. Look at the scale of housing construction and loans, people are not up to riots. There will be those who would be ready, but some of the hotheads are already volunteers, and the rest, excuse me, will be managed in the form of a variety of police forces, which are now well paid along with all kinds of benefits.
    Regarding the political crisis - where does it suddenly fall from? The most frondier party, it would seem, was the Liberal Democratic Party, and it was quite loyal to the Kremlin. The Frondere electorate ran away from the conscription; even hints of growing political influence - under control at least, and even under house arrest. Here I am, for example, although I’m not enthusiastic about GDP, but it’s not the worst, firstly, I’ve seen, excuse me, worse; and secondly, I don’t want any crises, on the contrary, I’ll legally vote for Mishustin or a similar figure with pleasure as soon as the opportunity presents itself))
    Now about the complete and unconditional. It is needed, but some commentators are right, who rightly point out that we are conducting a military campaign not against the independent, which has long been fallow, but against the NATO countries led by you know who. And to cope with them without nuclear weapons is not yet strong enough, which is already there. So, we are getting ready and waiting for the time when we can measure our strength with them for real, and after that we will manage somehow with the forelocks. And not only with them))
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 11 November 2022 15: 44
      +3
      Quote from borisvt
      Many of our citizens now live quite well

      By the way, this is a very unexpected result of the 9th month of NWO.
      In the early days, it was expected that the valiant army men would do their job, but under the weight of sanctions, we will live badly.

      In fact, yes, everything is not simple in the economy, but in general, this is just another crisis, and not the most severe one.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 November 2022 19: 16
        +4
        Quote from borisvt
        Many of our citizens now live quite well

        Quote: Nelton In fact - yes, everything is not simple in the economy, but in general, so far this is just another crisis, and not the most difficult one.

        The Anglo-Saxons with several centuries of experience in governing other countries are working against us. Why do they need a revolt of the population against Putin, who is leading the country according to their plan to surrender (Option I), or to participate in their interests in the war with Europe and die in it (Option II)?
        Putin has created a "Potemkin village" for the population on miserable crumbs from those colossal sums that have been withdrawn from the country's economy and from its future. The task is to prevent the destruction of the Anglo-Saxon plan by the population ahead of time
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    2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 11 November 2022 15: 44
      +6
      And to cope with them without nuclear weapons is not yet strong enough, which is already there. So, we are getting ready and waiting for the time when we can measure our strength with them for real, and after that we will manage somehow with the forelocks. And not only with them))

      The thing is that the fate of Russia is being decided in Ukraine and right now, then later it may be too late, it often happens that procrastination is like death.
      1. borisvt Offline borisvt
        borisvt (boris) 11 November 2022 17: 37
        +1
        I agree that it is decided in Ukraine, but no one stands with a stopwatch, it is a huge country with a diverse population. They will not let the states decide the fate in our favor quickly, they will put pressure, strengthen, build up, heat up to boiling water! I am sure that Ushakov and Patrushev threatened the territory of the United States, otherwise they would not smell of peacefulness.
        I took a break from the GDP, we have what we have, I think it's better than hiding from a radioactive shock wave.
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 11 November 2022 21: 43
        -3
        sgrabik, who advised you that the fate of Russia will be decided in Ukraine? You have been taught that you have no idea what the State - Russia is. In your worldview there is an idea-fix type - Russia an ear on clay feet. A little push and he this colossus will fall apart into dust. At one time, Hitler burned out on such confidence, despite the fact that he invaded the USSR with the forces of that time (an analogue of the current NATO). USSR. If I had known the true state of affairs, I would never have started a war with the Soviets.
        So, something is decided not in Ukraine for Russia, but in Russia itself, namely, whether Ukraine will exist at all as a state and the West itself.
        1. Woland Offline Woland
          Woland (woland) 18 November 2022 17: 32
          0
          Russia is never as strong as it thinks about itself and as weak as they think about it in the West

          Mao Zedong
    3. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 12 November 2022 19: 40
      -1
      how to compare forces with them if the economy is plundered and no one is going to change anything, because blah blah import substitutions and naked patriotism alone cannot reach their level even in the boundless future, but otherwise you are right ....
  12. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 11 November 2022 16: 09
    -4
    Everything over a hundred times overflows from half-empty to not very full and vice versa.
    It is somewhat reminiscent of the materials of the Plenums of the Central Committee of the CPSU - long, empty speeches ... everything is for the good of man, the economy must be economical, progressive development, systematically increases, improves, improves ...
    Sleep hunting from all this.
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  13. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 11 November 2022 19: 01
    +5
    The only acceptable option to get out of this trap is to achieve a complete and unconditional victory over the criminal Kyiv regime, betraying it to the tribunal.

    Well, yes. Better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick. Who is against? All that's left is to snap your fingers
  14. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 11 November 2022 20: 03
    +2
    Deprive ukroreykh of electricity and this war will end with the victory of Russia almost immediately. The only question is the political will of the Russian leadership. But with this .. alas. The reasons? In my opinion, the most ugly..
  15. svit55 Offline svit55
    svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 11 November 2022 20: 45
    +8
    They surrendered the Russian city and the Guarantor did not say a word, he would remain silent once again. The biggest loss is the loss of name, authority, after the explosions at the joint venture and the bridge, the failures in the NWO, it became obvious that Putin is just a Weakling. And no one wants to talk to a weakling, but they will press without fear.
  16. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 11 November 2022 21: 04
    +7
    If you look at the history of the new Russia, you will see only defeats and falls in politics, economics, demography, the army, and so on. and all this is the result of the activities of Yeltsin-Medvedev-Putin. The trouble is that during the reign of Putin, the legal issue of ownership of the territories of the former republics of the Soviet Union has not been resolved. Putin and all his entourage have a very negative attitude towards the USSR. Putin is a continuation of Yeltsin, this is the imposition of capitalism, the robbery of the Russian people. Events in Ukraine is a consequence of Putin's activities.
    If the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have an enemy in the face of Ukraine. Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites. What should the Russians do???
    1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 12 November 2022 19: 46
      -1
      vote "for" otherwise they will deprive of lending...!
  17. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 11 November 2022 21: 13
    -6
    who needs a hurry, what is it all about. The pressure on Ukraine from the RF Armed Forces has not been stopped. On the contrary, blows to the energy sector can hardly be called softness. Artillery and VKS are working to the fullest. Demilitarization is not slowed down even for a minute.

    Now there is no point in quickly seizing, quickly breaking through ... all this is a loss and hinders those forces in the West who demand negotiations and the cessation of assistance. Ukraine is almost ripe, winter will finish it off.

    Negotiations are not a concession to the West, this is the end of the Kyiv regime. Russia will never agree to the loss of Russian territories in negotiations. And he does not agree with the abandonment of ukroreikh as a threat to himself. These are facts, it was for this understanding that referendums and accession were held.

    Zelensky will refuse to start negotiations, the pressure on him will increase * (aid will be reduced). And there will be a culmination of this process. How exactly, the West should come up with it. But in any case, there will be no Kyiv regime.

    It makes no sense now to bring evil
  18. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 11 November 2022 21: 22
    -6
    I read and understand that neither the author nor everyone who supports him here absolutely knows the history of Russia. For thirty years they have been so brainwashed in Ukraine that there is nothing left of the brains. Drawing an analogy with Kherson, it would not be harmful to know that Hitler at one time, with his notorious blitzkrieg, was not going to fight defensive battles, although many Wehrmacht generals pointed out the prevention of the advance of troops without erecting defense lines on the winded territories. It's simple - the USSR collos on clay feet! Why stand on ceremony with him and delay forces for some kind of pre-equipped positions in the rear. Everyone knows how it ended in the winter near Moscow for Hitler. Well, except for those, of course, who are here, and by definition they cannot know about it. They just weren't taught it. They did not teach that the defeat of the Wehrmacht near Moscow in 41 was already the first call of the defeat of Nazi Germany in the war with the USSR. Although we then had to leave immeasurably larger territories than Kherson today. As near Moscow, the united West fought with our army, which is happening now. So let's call a spade a spade. Russia in Ukraine is opposed by the united West (NATO led by America) and not exclusively by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which have already been elevated to the rank of invincible warriors of light, which the West supports and supplies with everything necessary. History repeats itself and Hitler's mistakes - no one is going to repeat Europe galloping around Europe without reliable rears. So everything is done correctly according to the situation on the ground that exists.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 12 November 2022 00: 37
      +9
      Quote: Oleg
      So let's call a spade a spade. Russia in Ukraine is opposed by the united West (NATO led by America) and not exclusively by the Armed Forces of Ukraine

      Let's then Oleg draw the analogy to the end.
      If this is a war, as you yourself say, with a united West with America at the head, why:
      - there is no threat of a nuclear war against the US and Great Britain in order to force them to retreat in all positions
      - no declaration of war on Poland with the threat of using nuclear weapons at its facilities
      - objects of accumulation and delivery of weapons and manpower on the territory of Poland and other countries were not destroyed
      - there are deliveries of gas and fuel to the countries that you yourself called warring against us
      If we unilaterally imposed restrictions on our actions, then to what extent, on whose initiative, on the basis of what agreements and with whom. In the Great Patriotic War, with which you compare the NWO, as far as I know, no one unilaterally imposed such restrictions on themselves, and did not tie their hands.
      Maybe these restrictions and agreements are to blame for our retreat? If so, could they be the result of betrayal?
      If not, then why?
  19. Fangaro Offline Fangaro
    Fangaro (Fangaro) 11 November 2022 21: 29
    +2
    The only acceptable option to get out of this trap is to achieve a complete and unconditional victory over the criminal Kyiv regime, betraying it to the tribunal.

    It remains to find a fast, planet-safe, inexpensive and viable way to do it.
    That it is better for us to win than to lose - I completely agree with the author!
    How to do it? Don't know.
    1. Igor Offline Igor
      Igor (Vladimirovich) 12 November 2022 03: 32
      +6
      Victories against the criminal Kyiv regime, betraying it to the tribunal. - Determine which criminal regime will be the winner, and not demand. The Putin regime will be just as criminal if the Russian Federation loses, which is gradually becoming quite real now, although a year ago it was from the realm of fantasy.
  20. Event Observer Offline Event Observer
    Event Observer (Oleg T) 12 November 2022 02: 12
    -4
    The operation is objectively impossible to win. We must accept this and live on, given the mistakes made. Tuck tail and back.
    1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 12 November 2022 19: 51
      -1
      run and run, well, if they catch up, then we will show them how much a pound is dashing ..
  21. Igor Offline Igor
    Igor (Vladimirovich) 12 November 2022 03: 29
    +4
    The article is interesting and useful, with only one caveat: there can’t be a priori any victory in Kyiv! You can bring the party to a draw even without clear winners, and this is the maximum for Moscow. sane for Ukrainians (and in the Russian Federation itself, many Russians generally do not understand the meaning of the so-called SVO), it is completely incomprehensible how success can be achieved. In addition, the Russian army, built on the expeditionary principle of waging a limited war, is not In general, I am silent about the development of the Russian Aerospace Forces - they are still not able to suppress the ancient air defense of Ukraine. It takes years to solve these problems, which the Russian Federation simply does not have.
  22. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 12 November 2022 10: 11
    +3
    Realizing that so far they have done their best, part of our power elite is looking for options for betraying not only the NVO, but also the country that they do not need. Another reconciliation threatens only with capitulation to the enemies.
  23. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) 12 November 2022 14: 15
    -3
    it seems that the Anglo-Saxons are getting what they wanted from this war, and this is nothing more than an internal split in society in order to promote an internal rebellion that will dismember Russia. Let us now turn to the recent example of Iran, the color revolution in Iran clearly failed, it did not remain without consequences, the internal split in Iran and popular dissatisfaction with the regime increased even more. The Anglo-Saxons, who study what they are doing, plan it for years, during the war the state is obliged to take some measures that cause popular discontent, such as mobilization. in such social conditions fifth phalanx Together with the action of foreign agents of influence, they increase their influence in society and especially among the young population. They mainly deceive the youth with progressive appeals. It is important to have political stability even in difficult times. Close attention should be paid to the next elections in 2014, I said this before US and UK intelligence prepares a major internal de stabilization.
  24. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 12 November 2022 19: 50
    -2
    With our toothless leadership, it is hard to believe in something good for Russia ..
  25. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 13 November 2022 05: 45
    +1
    Our government was for the oligarchs, and now, at the expense of the people and the untrained and commanded by reindeer herders, the army wants to succeed? The president's arrogance is on the rise. We will win if power returns to the people.
  26. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 13 November 2022 17: 34
    -2
    A small victorious war... How they longed for it in St. Petersburg at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, but got it in such a way that they vomited blood.
    And now we see the reincarnation of those events. And exactly the same complete confusion of the Kremlin. For it turned out that diving into the bushes and hiding there until the generals bring victory does not work, and in order to fight seriously, you need to pinch the oligarchs, but the Kremlin will not dare to do this even in a nightmare.
    And the Kremlin began to call, they say, let's put up, we agree on everything, but, for Christ's sake, let's furnish everything so for internal consumption, as if the greatest victory has been achieved. Do not finish off, do not chain to the post shamefully.
    IMHO, now the situation is such that from the other side they may demand and the guarantor will appear in The Hague. Naturally, no one will show up anywhere, but the very fact of the demand, as a condition for the start of negotiations, when the Foreign Ministry will have to dodge like a snake in a frying pan.
    Well, in the meantime, NATO is dispersing its military-industrial complex, IMHO, by next spring, armaments will come out to the Wehrmacht from the United States, and from Europe, and maybe from South Korea with Japan, the flow, and in quantitative terms, the technology of the force can be equalized. And the superiority in the personnel of the Wehrmacht's coming out can be preserved.
    And if, God forbid, NATO hands over 200-300 F-16s and A-10s to the Wehrmacht, then there will be a very big hemorrhoids.
    So they thought they would go down in history as a triumph, but instead they got into trouble.