NVO in Ukraine: Russia has not learned the main lesson of the Karabakh war


During the JMD in Ukraine, it became clear that Russia did not learn the main lesson of the Karabakh war, although it was obvious from the very beginning - today, victory on the battlefield is achieved with precision weapons. The latest conflict in the Transcaucasus clearly showed how, with the help of fairly simple drones and loitering ammunition, it is possible to effectively destroy combat machinery and enemy positions.


For example, Bayraktars hit Armenian weapons systems with MAM-L adjustable glide bombs from a distance of 15 km, without entering the MANPADS coverage area. Unfortunately, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation do not have anything of the kind in sufficient quantities. That is why our pilots on Mi-24N and Ka-52 helicopters, as well as Su-25 attack aircraft, often at the risk of their lives, fire at enemy positions with unguided munitions from the nose up (when the nose of the aircraft lifts up to shoot further).

It is also obvious that the RF Armed Forces have a shortage of rockets for high-precision MLRS of the Tornado-S family and Krasnopol-type projectiles for cannon artillery. These are expensive ammunition and are likely produced in small quantities as their use is rarely reported.

At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine use a relatively small number of M142 HIMARS and M270 MLRS launchers of 227 mm caliber, M777 towed howitzers and self-propelled guns of 155 mm caliber, as well as their analogues transferred by Western countries. Moreover, high-precision munitions are regularly used, which violates the logistics of Russian troops, as happened in the Kherson direction - by destroying the bridges, the Armed Forces of Ukraine actually left the grouping of the RF Armed Forces without proper supplies. Hitting with guided projectiles is more effective than hitting areas in the hope of success.

For six months, the RF Armed Forces destroyed a large number of such weapons systems of the Ukrainian army. Online regularly footage appears as the Russian Lancet hits another M777. However, the West has hundreds of similar howitzers and shells for them.

This is a modern conflict of the 21st century. Therefore, it must be carried out with modern weapons. At the same time, Russia has it, but it is either small or needs to be improved. Therefore, it is necessary to mobilize the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.
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  1. Sydor Kovpak Offline Sydor Kovpak
    Sydor Kovpak 10 November 2022 14: 06
    +9
    Russia did not learn the main lesson of the Karabakh war

    Russia may have learned the lesson, it just lived FOR A TIME according to the principle "why produce a refrigerator if you can buy it?".
    1. Mobius Offline Mobius
      Mobius 10 November 2022 14: 31
      +6
      But, did not produce, and did not buy ...
      1. sat2004 Offline sat2004
        sat2004 10 November 2022 15: 52
        +10
        They invested in the development of the United States and Europe, but it was not enough for themselves, but the market, however.
      2. Sydor Kovpak Offline Sydor Kovpak
        Sydor Kovpak 10 November 2022 15: 59
        0
        But what about washing machines bought for the sake of microchips for tanks?))
    2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 10 November 2022 16: 08
      +9
      I agree, the hucksters from liberda brought our country and our military-industrial complex to a huge dependence on the West, what kind of corrupt cattle do you need to be to allow this, "nothing personal - just business" - this is the answer of these hucksters to all questions, equipping the army with the most modern and effective weapons on which the national security of Russia directly depends should not depend on commodity-money relations, there should not be any unnecessary bureaucracy in the military-industrial complex and the army, no competitions and auctions for the distribution of finances for the creation and production of modern weapons and military equipment, all this is absolutely alien and unnecessary for the enterprises of our military-industrial complex, procedures that only generate corruption, and ultimately greatly delay and lead to the disruption of the development and production of new types of weapons, when they finally understand this at the top, the army is not at all the area from which commercial profit can be extracted, the military-industrial complex and the army have completely different functions and tasks on which defense capability directly depends and b the security of our country.
      1. Sydor Kovpak Offline Sydor Kovpak
        Sydor Kovpak 10 November 2022 17: 14
        -1
        We are following the path of Ukraine. In general, I agree with you!
    3. Romanovski Offline Romanovski
      Romanovski (Roman) 10 November 2022 17: 28
      +7
      Armenia was first beheaded on October 27.10.1999, 1994, when Speaker of the Parliament K. Demirchyan (former First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Armenian SSR) and Prime Minister V. Sargsyan, who headed the Armenian Defense Ministry during the victory of Karabakh over the troops, were shot point-blank in the Parliament of the country Azerbaijan in XNUMX...
      Note that V. Sargsyan, a couple of months before his death, said in plain text that he was going to put an end to corruption in Armenia in order to put the economy and the Army (!) On a good footing ... But, his dreams were not destined to come true. ..Starting from 2000 - those who came to power in Armenia - began to rob the country, the army and the people at a Stakhanovite pace ... The people of Armenia were indignant at this lawlessness in 2008, but the authorities shot the crowd at close range .... Conclusion: In peacetime, corruption, embezzlement, werewolves in uniform and ties, as well as their patrons with tattoos from various organized crime groups, monopolies, oligarchs and the lack of healthy competition IN ALL areas - they weaken the country so much that it loses the war ....
  2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 November 2022 14: 14
    +7
    in order to learn, you first need to admit mistakes, but this is not observed either in the Kremlin or in the General Staff, everything is going according to plan and we have not started yet, I recall the Soviet comedy "The weather is fine on Brighton Beach" with the words - it's still early ... it's too late. ..
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 10 November 2022 14: 44
      +3
      Tactics without strategy is mouse fussing in white gloves. Until he himself understands this, time will be lost... Why don't we go to the GXNUMX summit? ..
  3. archer 13 Offline archer 13
    archer 13 (Alexander Strelnikov) 10 November 2022 14: 28
    +16
    But we regularly held army games.
    1. Mobius Offline Mobius
      Mobius 10 November 2022 14: 36
      +9
      Quote: Sagittarius 13
      But we regularly held army games.

      In toys, with elements of the show, we are ahead of the rest, and on the battlefield, we are driven out of the cities by the 22nd army in the ranking.

      War, nothing, show-off - everything ...
    2. sermuratov Offline sermuratov
      sermuratov (Sergey Muratov) 10 November 2022 19: 24
      +1
      And you need to manage the army.
  4. Hayer31 Offline Hayer31
    Hayer31 (Kashchei) 10 November 2022 14: 39
    -3
    From the beginning, the Kremlin betrayed the Armenians without selling air defense, then the Russians. Who minus let him prove otherwise.
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 November 2022 15: 08
      +3
      Quote: Hayer31
      From the beginning, the Kremlin betrayed the Armenians without selling air defense, then the Russians. Who minus let him prove otherwise.

      then the Kremlin heralds like the nightingale and others foaming at the mouth argued that the Armenians themselves are to blame, now they furiously prove that the strategist is not mistaken, yesterday's evening show of the balabol-clown demonstrated this very well, they sang odes directly to the wisdom of the Kremlin strategist, and all who doubt immediately christened cisso
      1. Hayer31 Offline Hayer31
        Hayer31 (Kashchei) 10 November 2022 15: 35
        +1
        May I ask what are we going to do next? With sanctions? , No allies? Well, obviously we are handing over city after city to the enemy! And V.V. and the Fireman, it seems, will calmly fight to the last soldier? Or will Ya O. be used on enemy crowds in the swamp Square?
  5. depavel Offline depavel
    depavel (Pavel Pavlovich) 10 November 2022 15: 23
    +6
    There is a law on the ratio of the number of advancing troops and defending. This law is either being checked, roofing felts are being approached by the "method of military poke." It's hard to be stupid, and there are no words at all with stupid leaders!
  6. sat2004 Offline sat2004
    sat2004 10 November 2022 16: 02
    +3
    The Constitution of the Russian Federation has been replaced by slogans such as "we don't leave our own", "money doesn't smell", "it's just business". For 10 months I have been trying to initiate a criminal case against the savings bank headed by Gref, @ since January 2022, at the end of August, Putin V.V. requested the Prosecutor General's Office to provide me with an answer to the January statement to the Prosecutor General's Office, there is still no answer, the answer is simple, as Putin says V.V. "just threw it."
  7. Grits Offline Grits
    Grits (Alexander) 10 November 2022 16: 37
    +4
    When they say that one type of some kind of weapon cannot turn the tide of the war, then let our strategists immediately remember Hymars. The one who was laughed at and said that he did not threaten anything. He may not have affected the course of the NWO yet, but it was Haymars who won the battle for Kherson. And only a few settings. When these several installations from afar, but very accurately, methodically hit the bridges and in the end cut off our grouping from supplies. Namely, this is what Surovikin recognized as the most important factor in leaving Kherson
  8. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 November 2022 16: 42
    +9
    A strange and controversial statement.
    The main lesson of the SVO is precisely that without trained infantry, the war cannot be won. Of course, drones and high-precision weapons have made adjustments. But what did the Russian army lack to win?
    Drones or personnel? Precision-guided munitions or well-established rear operations? Also, the analogue of SMERSH was not enough. Enemy saboteurs wander around the rear of the Russian troops as if in their own home.

    Today, CBO looks very, very pale. And the most important lesson to pay attention to. And, in my opinion, this is the most important problem. More important than any Krasnopol or Orlan.

    The war showed that Russia "cannot repeat". The war revealed a huge number of people (I don’t want to say traitors) to whom the interests of the country are unimportant. These people are sitting in the government (constant agreements and trade with the enemy). They littered the middle echelons of power: regional officials who do not support the SVO. These are tens and hundreds of thousands of young people who rushed abroad.
    This is problem. And the main problem is that the West felt that Russia can be defeated on the battlefield.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 10 November 2022 18: 16
      +1
      There are big questions answers to which big authorities avoid. For example, from the point of view of the young: why should I fight for a country in which the power belongs to billionaires? all the money in Moscow, and I graduated from the university for my parents' money. I don't owe anything to my country. What did she give me?
      1. Bakht Online Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 November 2022 19: 07
        -2
        You have confused the basic concepts. Are you sure you don't owe anything to your country? Then it is not clear what you are doing in this territory.
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 November 2022 00: 38
        -2
        Alexei, you owe your life to the Motherland, so give it up defending it, betray it and it will take your life as a traitor to the Motherland! And he will do it right!
    2. special correspondent (oleg) 11 November 2022 11: 58
      +2
      They littered the middle echelons of power: regional officials who do not support the SVO. These are tens and hundreds of thousands of young people who rushed abroad.

      but about tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of citizens who have lived for more than 30 years according to the principle "the main thing is to steal and withdraw as soon as possible in order to invest in the United States and Europe," that is, to take out the stolen to the enemies ... have you forgotten? They lived like this for 0 years and suddenly decided to fight with those to whom the stolen goods were taken out. For several trillion in green equivalent. These are the amounts that could be used to build up our industrial production and re-equip the army in deed, and not in words and "tank biathlons." The organizers of "tank-biathlons" and other ostentatious military games must now be tied with grenades and put on ukrotanks. So that the caterpillars get bogged down from their golden stars, stripes and caps and the ukrotanki would die out ..
  9. Irek Offline Irek
    Irek (Paparazzi Kazan) 10 November 2022 16: 57
    +1
    Everything we need, we have learned, we provide gravediggers with work ....

  10. zuuukoo Offline zuuukoo
    zuuukoo (Sergei) 10 November 2022 17: 02
    +3
    Quote: sgrabik
    I agree, hucksters from Liberda brought our country and our military-industrial complex

    Domestic "liberals" have been driven "under the bunk" for 15 years already and have no real influence on the government of the country.
    And in general, for 20 years now, not a single significant decision or appointment has been made without the consent and approval of You Know Who.
    Therefore, it is not necessary to blame the sick head on the no less sick, but innocent.
    1. sap Online sap
      sap (Alex) 10 November 2022 17: 19
      0
      It would be possible to put 100500 pluses!
    2. Ruslan Valerievich Nagavkin (Ruslan Nagavkin) 10 November 2022 17: 26
      +4
      So "OH" is the most liberal of the liberals! "HE" raised them, nurtured them and still feeds them, placed them in power and surrounded himself with them like a cocoon. Therefore, the war - where the liberals - is always a war. and you don't have to burn it :-))
      1. Hayer31 Offline Hayer31
        Hayer31 (Kashchei) 10 November 2022 19: 23
        +3
        Which Wayne??? The main thing is to pump gas across Ukraine and money in your pocket.
    3. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 10 November 2022 18: 19
      +1
      Vladimir Putin has ruled the country since 2000. This is not enough.
    4. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 10 November 2022 19: 32
      +1
      they’ve been hammered into the crazy that everything is a hindrance to liberals from the 5th column, and they won’t spread their brains that all these liberals have been approved and supported by the head of state for 30 years, from here everything is fine with us only in cartoons .....
    5. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 11 November 2022 08: 11
      +1
      There is no need to take phrases out of context, I wrote about the overwhelming dependence of our industry and the military-industrial complex on the West, and it is no secret to anyone that it is the hucksters, oligarchs and almost 100% of the so-called "effective managers" that are primarily responsible for this and are liberals , one way or another, they gravitate towards the West, since they prefer to keep their money and other assets there.
    6. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 November 2022 00: 44
      -1
      And why appoint someone else, if the one who is in his place copes with the work? Or the principle is simple - If you steer, let someone else steer? And this other one will steer and where another question can steer.
      1. UAZ 452 Offline UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 (UAZ 452) 12 November 2022 12: 02
        +1
        Does he manage? Well, yes - everything is going according to plan ... And it is generally accepted that one of the most important tasks of any statesman is the selection of his team, from which he brings up his successors. If, however, a statesman instead "clears" the field, artificially leads the situation to the situation that "there is no one else but him," then this figure, most likely, did not correspond to a high position from the very beginning.
    7. sat2004 Offline sat2004
      sat2004 12 November 2022 09: 18
      0
      In the field of software development, we are somewhere in the late 80s.
  11. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 10 November 2022 18: 04
    -1
    I remember how a very high-ranking official said that he would not allow the accumulation of NATO forces near the borders of the Russian Federation. Type as we will see and bang. I think this was the calculation that the Yankees would be afraid of strikes up to tactical nuclear weapons. But the Anglo-Saxons would not have been Anglo-Saxons (minions of Satan) if they had not leveled these threats, and by the summer Starlink had turned around and the need for drones had practically disappeared. Again, I think 5-6 tactical nuclear strikes at the beginning along the western border of Ukraine would just sober up the Anglo-Saxons and show our determination and fighting spirit to go to the end. The Anglo-Saxons are afraid only when "Until the end", everything else, as always, will be whispered to them by Satan. For millennia, the power of Satan over people has not changed: the high priest (the contactee with Satan), the ruler (the contactee himself is forbidden by God) and the slaves.
    1. sermuratov Offline sermuratov
      sermuratov (Sergey Muratov) 10 November 2022 19: 35
      0
      The whole trouble is in the topoelitarian structure of society. The task is to understand more of the "contactee", well, to kill Satan in yourself.
      1. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
        Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 11 November 2022 03: 50
        0
        And who is Satan? A poor fellow who performs dirty tricks on earth with faint-hearted people with the permission of the Lord, until people change their minds and ask Him for help.
  12. Pilot Offline Pilot
    Pilot (Pilot) 10 November 2022 18: 43
    +2
    You just don't understand. The author is right. We have a master of multi-moves .... And from the very beginning it is all multi-moves. This is clear only to smart people and not to us. Look at the anecdote about Black Jack. (Galygin tells it well) You will understand everything about multi-moves. It's just not clear where we are?
    1. sermuratov Offline sermuratov
      sermuratov (Sergey Muratov) 10 November 2022 19: 49
      +1
      The mnogohodovka is that Russia did not fall apart into many states, as it was destined, and despite the betrayal of those who themselves had to fight the traitors, it still exists (albeit with the Vlasov flag). More is needed next. What matters is not where we are, but where we are going. And we are still moving beyond the Dnieper. An incomprehensible multi-move in how you have to return and with what losses. It is better to fight with resources than with emotions. We left both Kyiv and Moscow.
      1. UAZ 452 Offline UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 (UAZ 452) 12 November 2022 12: 15
        0
        We left both Kyiv and Moscow.

        In the sense - it will be necessary, and we will leave more?
        What about

        The multi-move is that Russia did not fall apart into many states, as it was destined

        so far, with each month, with each new "move", the probability of such an outcome only increases. Or will you argue that the surrender of Russian cities to the enemy during the military operation, which we ourselves began, contributes to the rallying and centralization of the Russian Federation? We are sure that the residents of the Kursk, Bryansk, Belgorod regions, looking at the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine standing a few tens of kilometers away, do not ask questions - when will their houses also fall into the zone of the next regrouping?
  13. Electric welder Offline Electric welder
    Electric welder 11 November 2022 15: 50
    -1
    Brad.
    It is necessary to correlate the scale of coverage of the territory; where is Karabakh and where is Ukraine
  14. Sergey3939 Offline Sergey3939
    Sergey3939 (Sergei) 11 November 2022 22: 13
    -2
    What is the Karabakh lesson, what kind of nonsense?
    We are demolishing all Bayrokiars and other types of drones! Hymers are knocked down in large numbers, units break through when the BC ends.
    We attack with mopeds and high-precision missiles, kamikaze drones appeared in large numbers!
    author, nonsense should not be written!
    There is a war with NATO, Our strikes with all types of weapons are more effective than their strikes!!!
    Losses are inevitable!
    1. Igor Offline Igor
      Igor (Igor Vladimirovich) 12 November 2022 03: 47
      +1
      in insufficient quantities. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have already reached approximate parity with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in artillery. It may still be inferior in quantity, but not in quality. It would be enough, they would not suffer humiliating defeats, and the air defense of Ukraine would be destroyed. that the Russian Federation cannot STILL destroy even the ancient air defense of Ukraine with the type of "sufficiency"?
  15. Igor Offline Igor
    Igor (Igor Vladimirovich) 12 November 2022 03: 45
    -2
    the article is very one-sided. UAVs of all types are very important, but the infantry leaves the battlefield behind them. And the RF Armed Forces have the biggest problems with it.
    1. UAZ 452 Offline UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 (UAZ 452) 12 November 2022 12: 20
      0
      If the enemy has superiority in reconnaissance, communications, control, target designation, range, accuracy and efficiency of strikes, any amount of infantry will not be enough, because the enemy will quickly turn it into a load of 200. We failed to fight with skill, due to their absence (the ability to conduct spectacular parades, air shows and tank biathlons for some reason did not come in handy), but it is also unlikely that they will be able to fight in numbers.
      1. Igor Offline Igor
        Igor (Igor Vladimirovich) 12 November 2022 12: 58
        0
        if you knew by what principle the defense of Kharkiv region was built, then you would not write like that.
  16. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 12 November 2022 13: 29
    +1
    Capitalism is in the yard, Putin was appointed by Yeltsin. Putin is Yeltsin's successor, a man who honestly fulfills his obligations to Yeltsin as an heir. What do you want from him? What lesson should the "elite" learn if the interests of the "elite" and the Russian people do not coincide. What is the article about.