Does the abandonment of Kherson mean the winding up of the NMD and reaching a peaceful settlement


The message about the surrender of the Russian city of Kherson to the Ukrainian Nazis without a fight was a blow with a dusty bag on the head for most of our compatriots. To justify this difficult decision, various arguments of a military nature are given, such as the difficulty in supplying the garrison and the need for time to retrain those mobilized for future grandiose battles with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But what if everything is much simpler and we are just facing the first stage of wrapping up a special operation, and no epic battles are being prepared, at least from our side?


"The Sullivan Formula"


The fact that in the air there was an unpleasant smell of the familiar smell of Minsk-3 or Istanbul-2 (Istanbul-1 is a “grain deal” shameful in its essence and results) became clear just a few days ago. Then, insiders began to pour into the press massively that President Zelensky was being persuaded by his Western curators to abandon his own ban on negotiations with the Kremlin. And they seem to have succeeded, as the Ukrainian national leader issued a statement stating the following conditions for resuming dialogue with Putin:

Once again: restoration of territorial integrity, respect for the UN Charter, compensation for all damages caused by the war, punishment of every war criminal and guarantees that this will not happen again.

This "breakthrough" became possible after the recent visit to Kyiv of President Biden's national security adviser Jake Sullivan, who "probed the soil" there. The Wall Street Journal also learned that Sullivan has been holding confidential talks for a long time with Russian presidential aide Yuri Ushakov and Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev. After that, the main points of the so-called Sullivan formula for resolving the conflict between Kyiv and Moscow began to appear in the Ukrainian segment of the Internet.

From open sources that are not trustworthy, the author of the lines managed to get acquainted with some contours of the "world after the NWO". You can’t vouch for their authenticity, but purely for fun, you can see them below.

first - Russia voluntarily withdraws from Kherson, leaving Kyiv without a fight on the Right Bank.

Second - the front line is fixed along the Dnieper, along the actual line of demarcation in the LDNR and Zaporozhye region at the time of the freeze. Ugledar, Marinka and Avdiivka of Russia may be allowed to be recaptured. Slavyansk, with its control over water for the Donbass, remains under Kyiv.

The third - the status quo is fixed by a kind of "absentee agreement", apparently through the mediation of third parties, as it was in the "grain deal". In the future, it is possible to sign a peace treaty under "guarantees of the West of Ukrainian security in exchange for non-alignment with NATO."

Fourth - The Armed Forces of Ukraine are being reduced in numbers “to calm Moscow”, but they are being retrained according to NATO standards, they are receiving modern Western tanks and air defense systems.

Fifth - The RF Armed Forces are abandoning the tactics of strikes against the Ukrainian energy sector, the Zaporozhye NPP is gradually coming under the control of Ukratom. Returning to Ukraine, Kherson joins the "grain deal", and Russia undertakes not to interfere with the export of food.

Sixth - a plan for the joint restoration of Ukraine is adopted, for which Russian gold and foreign exchange reserves frozen in the West will be used. Some of them from the lord's shoulder, perhaps even the Kremlin will be returned.

Seventh - there is an unblocking of the export of Russian hydrocarbons and other resources, as well as the removal by the collective West of part of the sanctions on the domestic financial sector.

Eighth and last - a certain “Big Deal” between the Kremlin and the United States is being prepared on the eve of 2024, which will be presented to the Russian electorate as the result of Vladimir Putin’s brilliant geopolitics, who once again managed to outplay everyone.

Some kind of fluff, right?

However, yesterday we really surrendered Kherson without a fight, voluntarily rolling back to a pre-prepared line of defense on the Left Bank. And already this afternoon, Great Britain, one of the main sponsors of the Kyiv regime, issued a general trade license that allows it to provide financial services for the supply of certain types of fertilizers from Russia to third countries. Surprisingly, the date of entry into force of this document, issued by the Department of Foreign Trade of the United Kingdom, coincides with the date of the order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Shoigu on the withdrawal of Russian troops from the right bank of the Dnieper and the surrender of Kherson.

Let's see, what if something else from the "wet fantasies of Ukrainian jingoistic patriots" comes true?
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  1. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 10 November 2022 17: 09
    +13
    Without Odessa, there is no point. Dot.
    1. Mobius Offline Mobius
      Mobius 10 November 2022 18: 00
      +7
      Quote: zzdimk
      Without Odessa, there is no point. Dot.

      ... and Transnistria
      1. Romanovski Offline Romanovski
        Romanovski (Roman) 11 November 2022 13: 06
        0
        ... and Transnistria ...

        ...and Kyiv. And the Lviv region, together with the crazy Bandera people, can be given to the Poles, and then we will see who annexed whom ... The Poles will definitely have fun ...
  2. Pavel volkov Offline Pavel volkov
    Pavel volkov (Pavel Volkov) 10 November 2022 17: 11
    -2
    So the surrender of Kherson resumes the coal trade. It seems that this was one of the conditions of the deal. I read in some public last week.
  3. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 10 November 2022 17: 12
    +5
    respect for the UN Charter

    you can’t speak legal language with a notary from gopniks.
  4. Pavel Mokshanov_2 (Pavel Mokshanov) 10 November 2022 17: 27
    +19
    Even I have no doubt that this plan will pass. Because our supreme commander did not even react to the surrender of Kherson. I entrusted the dirty work to Shoigu. You are there they say kozhugetych figure it out, and I will gladly stand. And then it will go according to the plan of the Yankees. And they will tell us about the "strategic wisdom" of the leader. So you think, and who benefits from it, apart from the Yankees.
    1. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
      Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 10 November 2022 20: 19
      +4
      You are there they say kozhugetych figure it out, and I will gladly stand.

      I won’t even stand next to it, but I’ll hide under the table
  5. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 November 2022 17: 29
    +10
    There should not be any freezing of the conflict. Any negotiation should be seen as a betrayal.
    For the simple reason that the territory of Russia is under occupation.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 November 2022 17: 48
      +3
      The flags of the new Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, as well as the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, are installed on the alley of flags in the Federation Council. The symbols of the regions are set on November 2.


      Will they take away or take back?
      1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 November 2022 18: 16
        +13
        Quote: Bakht
        The flags of the new Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, as well as the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, are installed on the alley of flags in the Federation Council. The symbols of the regions are set on November 2.


        Will they take away or take back?

        they have a wealth of experience over 8 years how to get out and put on a good face in a bad game, experienced actors sit in the Kremlin, they are masters in breeding suckers and rabbits
    2. Igor Offline Igor
      Igor (Vladimirovich) 15 November 2022 03: 48
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      There should not be any freezing of the conflict. - what should it be? The heroic death of the most combat-ready units due to the most fatal miscalculations of the Russian military intelligence and leadership? You still didn’t understand that the whole type of power of the Russian Federation turned out to be exaggerated and eyewash played a cruel joke on it, and the army is weak and was preparing for a completely different type of conflict. It is impossible to solve it in a month or two. As a maximum, the Russian Federation can only try to fix the bitten off pieces and look for a mechanism to turn the situation into a draw. if he doesn't change his mind in time.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2022 07: 01
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        And what should be? Signing a surrender? Are you familiar with the requirements of Kyiv? The return of Donbass and Crimea to Ukraine, the payment of reparations, lawsuits against the country's leadership. Well, the little things control over the country's armed forces.

        NWO should be reformatted into war and a clear goal should be set. Destruction of the enemy state.
        I used to think that Ukraine should be reformatted into a neutral state. Now, based on the results of hostilities, I do not think so.
        In any case, Russia will not lose the war.
        1. Igor Offline Igor
          Igor (Vladimirovich) 15 November 2022 10: 58
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          There must be a search for mutually acceptable points. In the current state, the Russian Federation can NOT destroy any state of Ukraine, even a weakened one. Because the Russian Federation itself turned out to be even more weakened in many respects. Shamanov, it will take 5-10 years to go to war. And so great-power chauvinism can easily bring to the handle.
          You to Ukraine, but under shelling for a month. And I would see what you would sing then, otherwise I really like these calls, especially from those who have a soft point in the warmth and nothing flies above them. Just like bravura statements about "Russia will not lose the war in any case." Well, so it will not win it. They will stupidly bleed each other, knocking out their teeth, and on the exhaust without improving their position, everyone tired of the war will be forced to negotiate. Well and what is it for? To stupidly have more victims? Modern Russia has nothing to become neither a center of attraction and soft expansion, nor a power component, nor an economic one, etc. RF. Get used to it!
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 15 November 2022 15: 55
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            There are no mutually acceptable points and cannot be. So there is simply no other way out. Russia must win this war. Until now, at least the last 600 years, Russia could suffer temporary defeats, but in the end, the hat ALWAYS turned out to be just right for Senka. Get used to it.
            1. Igor Offline Igor
              Igor (Vladimirovich) 16 November 2022 00: 48
              -2
              they won’t find common ground - I recommend: then you can either pack your bags, or clean your weapons, or hang yourself right away, because people like you usually don’t tolerate the collapse of your country into a bunch of smaller states relatively calmly. The choice is yours. And I strongly advise you to better learn the history of Russia "These temporary defeats" for Russia ended very sadly. And they were not once, but very often quite often.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 November 2022 06: 50
                0
                You are wrong. There will be a collapse of Ukraine. In principle, Ukraine as a sovereign state no longer exists. It remains only to fix it officially.
                The lesson of history that lies on the surface. 600 years as the state of Russia exists. Despite temporary defeats. The crusade against Russia was declared 800 years ago. There were several attempts to destroy the state. And ALL failed.
                Surprisingly different. How people do not see the obvious FACTS. And live some illusions.
            2. Igor Offline Igor
              Igor (Vladimirovich) 16 November 2022 21: 40
              -1
              learn history and don’t make people laugh with all sorts of nonsense and your wishes. You stupidly don’t understand what is reality, but there are fantasies. Someone fantasized about “the presence of the Russian world in Ukraine and they will be greeted with flowers” ​​and this led to a catastrophically wrong decision start so-called SVO. From the fact that the Russian Federation may have no other way out and for some reason someone decided that it’s enough that, for example, having won a little and getting ahead in the development of hypersound, you can try to indicate something to someone But this is clearly not enough at the moment and, in fact, the Russian Federation cannot substantiate its threats with the use of real force. Fascist Germany was also ahead of its opponents in the development of weapons in a number of areas, but this did not save it from defeat.
              These are good "temporary defeats" when Russia ceased to exist altogether and moved into a new one, and more often it lost a lot at the same time! So you wouldn’t play with terminology without even understanding the meaning of what was written in essence.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 November 2022 23: 08
                +1
                You write nonsense. Especially excursions into history. And do not attribute to me what I never said. I don't know how long you've been on this site. But my opinion here is known "Ukrainian is the enemy of the Russian." And Russians in Ukraine will not be greeted with any flowers.
                Russia did not indicate anything to anyone. And never. Russia just wanted security guarantees. This was denied by the West. Therefore, war became inevitable.
                In general, on all counts you have a misunderstanding of the actual material.
  6. Igor Listov Offline Igor Listov
    Igor Listov (Igor Listov) 10 November 2022 17: 30
    -2
    Why not. SVO has reached a dead end.
  7. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 10 November 2022 17: 42
    -1
    Mdaaa, Starlink did his job. If it were not for him, Kyiv would have long been ours.
    1. Igor Offline Igor
      Igor (Vladimirovich) 15 November 2022 11: 10
      -1
      Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar): dreams, dreams, how sweet are your dreams! Have you heard something about Kropiv’s tactical control system or an automated artillery control system? .As it turned out, the RF Armed Forces have nothing of the kind. Or rather, there are on paper. And even promoted warriors somewhere. Well, where are they? Where are the vaunted armats? Where is the su57? they began to fire. They took their legs away. It would be a shame! Single ones fly and then they shot down. And the resilience of Ukrainian fighters, and so on. Doesn’t it bother you or doesn’t it count? So if the face is crooked, then there’s nothing to kick on the mirror. And it’s not about Starlink, although it really helps the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      1. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
        Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 23 November 2022 03: 08
        +1
        ---Waging a cententric war? And what is the main thing there? In your opinion, the courage of the fighters, or vice versa, cowardice?
        ---- respected, a high very high speed of information exchange at the moment is the key to the success of the battle. Especially not in connection with the units, which is also important - but in target designation and conduct. Then I think you already understand.
  8. Alexey Lan Online Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 10 November 2022 18: 06
    +5
    Well, all the same, the Donetsk and Luhansk regions should be completely in Russia. And with the rest, I also wrote a month ago that this is possible. However, I did not expect that the city of Kherson and the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station would be given away. Well, what about Kharkov? Yes, from the Kremlin's point of view, burn it with fire.
    However, most likely it will be a truce and Kyiv does not recognize the reclaimed lands as Russian, even Crimea.
  9. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 November 2022 18: 11
    +13
    yes, nothing should be surprised here, one thing can be said now unambiguously Russia is ruled by mediocrity and cowards
    1. Otto Davar Online Otto Davar
      Otto Davar (Otto Davar) 10 November 2022 23: 15
      -3
      You, my dear, it's time to give the Nobel Prize.
  10. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 10 November 2022 18: 53
    -13
    And, none of the local * sofa strategists * have ever heard of the threat of flooding on the right bank? Are you up to what?
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 November 2022 19: 34
      +10
      Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
      And, none of the local * sofa strategists * have ever heard of the threat of flooding on the right bank? Are you up to what?

      as a sofa iksperd I can answer, the right bank of the Dnieper is much higher than the left, so any flooding will first occur on the left side, just where the great Kremlin strategist decided to withdraw the troops, this fact says that the real reason is not in saving the lives of soldiers and civilians, but in the banal an agreement, in other words, another gesture of goodwill, but this strategist, as usual, will be thrown and will not fulfill his part of the agreement, and he will again whine and shake his snot on his fist that his such a naive 70-year-old kind grandfather was deceived once again
    2. Igor Offline Igor
      Igor (Vladimirovich) 15 November 2022 11: 16
      0
      yes, we heard a lot. And about the threat of using a dirty nuclear bomb and tactical nuclear weapons, too.
  11. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 10 November 2022 18: 57
    +9
    In principle, a positive version of events is described, but most likely there will be nothing for us (neither promises not to join NATO, nor withdrawal of Ukrainian troops). When it comes to signing, they will deceive and put forward additional requirements for START or something like that. Serbia will not let you lie - they were preparing to recognize Kosovo, they demanded to impose sanctions against the Russian Federation, and even the Albanians in the south of Serbia became more active, like we are also Kosovo
  12. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 10 November 2022 19: 00
    +13
    Russia lost NVO strategically.
    In Kherson, Russia capitulated.
    Russia conducts NMD only on its own territory and is unable to reach the borders of the new borders approved by the State Duma.
    Russia recognizes its widespread impotence. weakness, disorganization.
    Russia has lost the ability for military logistics, support, and interaction.
    Inept stomping in place.
    The inability to move the Armed Forces of Ukraine even from Donetsk for a whole year.
    Unanswered silence at the transition of all red lines.
    Lack of any significant victories.
    Incomprehensible explanation of goals.
    Self-removal of the commander-in-chief.
    A mess in the media, then there is no war, then there is a war, then the denazification of all of Ukraine, then part of it.
    Now the de-Satanization of Ukraine and the entire West .... - BY WHAT FORCES????
    Chaos and the running of troops from Kyiv to Kherson without clear goals.
    Shoigu reported on the implementation of the First stage of the NWO - what was it? In the surrender of Chernigov and Kharkov?.
    So the second stage - the surrender of Kherson?
    No one can find Russian aviation and space ... there are concentrations of troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine everywhere, but no one touches them.
    They waited for a whole year until the whole West would bring all military equipment to Ukraine.
    Wait - is this demilitarization?
    1. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
      Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 10 November 2022 20: 24
      -1
      I wonder who we have a coward, mediocrity and yap? But the whole world applauds him, what a great grandmaster.
    2. Otto Davar Online Otto Davar
      Otto Davar (Otto Davar) 10 November 2022 23: 29
      -4
      "Self-elimination of the commander-in-chief." And he has nothing to do with it. Akademiev did not finish. That's why there are generals. And why are there such ani - this one is for their mother. Vopschem white-white, and the country is fgavne.
      1. UAZ 452 Offline UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 (UAZ 452) 12 November 2022 12: 40
        +1
        I recently read an article on this site that the head of the General Staff, Gerasimov, was just categorically against the start of the SVO in the version in which it happened. He, unlike the Minister of Defense and the Supreme Commander, has a military education, but they didn’t listen to him - they ordered him and go do it. Although this does not remove his share of the blame for the real state of our aircraft.
        Here is a link to the material, if that
        https://topcor.ru/29163-bolshoj-dzhihad-kadyrova-pochemu-ne-snimajut-gerasimova-i-zachem-surovikin-bombit-ukrainskie-tjes.html
    3. Atmospheric QUEEN (Atmospheric QUEEN) 11 November 2022 09: 30
      +1
      Russia, what does it have to do with it? There is the Supreme, there is the Honorary Lifeguard of Russia and at the same time the President of the Russian Geographical Society. It is they who create such a story ........ If the shepherd leads the flock to the abyss? Who is to blame the flock or the shepherd?
      1. UAZ 452 Offline UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 (UAZ 452) 12 November 2022 12: 43
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        You can blame the shepherd, but the flock will die. If it will be a consolation to the flock that it perished through someone else's fault, then let it be comforted.
        But in this allegory, we need to agree - we are talking about the people, or the herd. If the people allow themselves to be turned into a herd, then this is their fault, and they fully deserve the fate of the herd led to the slaughter.
    4. UAZ 452 Offline UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 (UAZ 452) 12 November 2022 12: 35
      +1
      Now the de-Satanization of Ukraine and the entire West .... - BY WHAT FORCES????

      How what?! According to the formulated tasks - by the special forces of the Russian Orthodox Church. Is it in vain that monks in monasteries pray for holiness, and new churches are being built everywhere?
  13. Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 10 November 2022 19: 28
    +4
    Kherson was planned a few years ago and it began with capitulation under white flags at sports competitions and olympiads. Then it passed, and now it will pass. "People eats."
    And then and now the capitulation of Russia ...
    American media reported that Biden's national security adviser Jake Sullivan in recent months had active contacts with Putin's aide Yuri Ushakov and Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev. "Defending against the risk of escalation" and "reducing the risk of using nuclear weapons" were discussed.

    But some Ukrainian TG channels, which are distinguished by extremely accurate and constantly confirmed later inside information, report that the main issues discussed were still of a slightly different plan.

    The US needs peace talks. Zelensky refuses to negotiate (and thank God, in my opinion, these constant undercover surrender of Russia's interests and unilateral concessions have wavered).
    US insists Sullivan warned Zelensky not to try to back out of offers
    Washington. If the Office of the President refuses to negotiate with the Kremlin, they will arrest
    Kirill Timoshenko (deputy head of the presidential administration of Ukraine, on which most financial schemes close), and all schemes for withdrawing funds from the Big Construction Site and Western loans during the war will become public. Also, Biden's adviser once again demanded to hold parliamentary elections next year in order to clear the Rada of representatives of the Opposition Platform for Life.

    As a result of this pressure, Zelensky's rhetoric has changed slightly. In his recent address, he stated:
    - Instead of "1991 borders" - "respect for the UN Charter" (in this case, it is understood - the abolition of
    results of all referendums)
    - Instead of "reparations" - "compensation"
    - Instead of "safety guarantees" - "guarantees that this will not happen again."
    Ukrainian TG expect a massive "lightning offensive" in the Kherson direction within a week. The West convinced Zelensky that the Russians would surrender this section of the front. Americans promise
    Russians that if Kherson is surrendered (the Armed Forces of Ukraine recapture it), then they promise to support the negotiation process on the Ukrainian crisis.
    Sullivan proposed (and he didn’t do it from scratch, negotiations with the Russian side have been ongoing for a month already) to Zelensky a formula for negotiations with the Kremlin, which should become the basis of the new Minsk/Istanbul/Riyadh-3. According to preliminary agreements, Ukraine withdraws Kherson, and the front is established along the Dnieper and further frozen along the line of contact in the Zaporozhye / Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Ukraine receives electricity from the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, and its critical infrastructure is no longer fired by rockets. The West allocates a loan of 50 billion dollars and part of the frozen / confiscated !!!!! Russia's assets to restore Ukraine. Separately, Kyiv receives modern air defense systems and artillery installations / tanks.
  14. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 10 November 2022 21: 12
    +7
    The government betrayed the Russian people.
    It is impossible to defeat the enemy if the enemy is not named. Target not marked. There is no strategy. In tactics, extremes and shyness. There is no legal basis for the Russian Federation to conduct an NWO in Ukraine, i.e. there is no law that would legislate that the entire territory of Ukraine, seized and torn away by the separatists with the help of NATO, is an integral part of Russia.

    Strategy without tactics is the slowest path to victory. Tactics without strategy is just hustle before defeat.

    Sun Tzu.

    The sum of the defeats of the RF Armed Forces on the battlefields will lead to surrender. What would be scary to imagine??? We survived in the 90s because there were no Western sanctions. Now the oligarchs, the capitalists, the comprador bourgeoisie, there is no backlog and reserves of the Soviet Union, there is no power to defend the interests of the Russian people.
  15. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 10 November 2022 22: 07
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    it seems that the West and Russia are finding ways out of the situation. Note that the abandonment of Kherson happened without fighting. The US did not give the Armed Forces of Ukraine the green light to at least simulate an offensive, which would look like the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were expelled from Kherson. Now there is no joy in Kyiv, there is confusion and bewilderment, but more despondency.

    Here is Shariy, for example (who, by the way, always wanted Russia to lose and rooted for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Azov people), disperses the wave in Russia, they say there is no benefit, they stupidly surrendered the city even without a fight, there are some views from the coast and other nonsense. It comes from understanding what is going on. All zadolbala Ukraine, the United States is no longer able to maintain a course of hostilities. The Armed Forces of Ukraine themselves are demoralized, Russia is able to put an end to the Armed Forces of Ukraine over the winter. The West is in an economic and military impasse.

    Now they will most likely play out a scenario where the West will merge the ukroreich without losing face (at least for the broad masses).

    There are few risks for Russia. They say the West will deceive again. This is also a good option. Because Russia is able to finish things militarily. But given that Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are completely dependent on the West, coercion of Zelensky will not be a difficult task.

    Those who really want to see how the Russian Armed Forces smash the Armed Forces of Ukraine, capture cities and hang Zelensky on a pole in Kyiv are not fully aware of the whole picture. Russia invaded a European country with its army, which is under the wing of NATO and the EU. Prior to that, Russia said to get out of NATO back home. Then she loudly announced to the whole world that the time of the United States had passed. Does anyone really think that Russia will now smash the Armed Forces across the steppes and the West will agree with this outcome? Will the US swallow such a bitter pill? There is only one way - escalation. Therefore, it is better to go down to earth and think about the main thing - Russia needs the stability of society, unity and faith in the leadership
    1. Otto Davar Online Otto Davar
      Otto Davar (Otto Davar) 10 November 2022 23: 41
      0
      This is what the abuse of judo leads to.
    2. gene1 Offline gene1
      gene1 (Gennady) 11 November 2022 08: 08
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      Quote: Siegfried
      Russia is in a position to finish things militarily.

      Prove it. And refute this: it will be impossible to smoke out the Nazis who have settled in the cities.
    3. gene1 Offline gene1
      gene1 (Gennady) 11 November 2022 08: 34
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      Quote: Siegfried
      Those who really want to see how the Russian Armed Forces smash the Armed Forces of Ukraine, capture cities and hang Zelensky on a pole in Kyiv are not fully aware of the whole picture. Russia invaded a European country with its army, which is under the wing of NATO and the EU. Prior to that, Russia said to get out of NATO back home. Then she loudly announced to the whole world that the time of the United States had passed. Does anyone really think that Russia will now smash the Armed Forces across the steppes and the West will agree with this outcome? Will the US swallow such a bitter pill?

      Well, if you understand this, then why write:

      Quote: Siegfried
      Russia is in a position to finish things militarily.

      We need to create chaos in Ukraine: refugees, raider seizures, banditry, theft, ... insubordination, ... Then put the Armed Forces of Ukraine and all law enforcement agencies outside the legal field through the UN decision to send peacekeepers.
    4. UAZ 452 Offline UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 (UAZ 452) 12 November 2022 12: 48
      +1
      Therefore, it is better to go down to earth and think about the main thing - Russia needs the stability of society, unity and faith in the leadership

      There are many letters, but the general meaning of your comment can be expressed in a short phrase: the more Russian cities are surrendered, the stronger Russia is. Did I understand you correctly? What will we hand over next, to further strengthen our power?
  16. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 10 November 2022 22: 48
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    It's a pity as hell that the holy impulse of our military, volunteers, mobilized, ends with such agreements. I agree with the author, Sergey is relevant again.
    I agree with one of the comments to this article by Siegfried:

    Russia has invaded a European country with its army, which is under the wing of NATO and the EU. Prior to that, Russia said to get out of NATO back home. Then she loudly announced to the whole world that the time of the United States had passed. Does anyone really think that Russia will now smash the Armed Forces of Ukraine across the steppes and the West will agree with this outcome? Will the US swallow such a bitter pill? There is only one way - escalation.

    Moreover, given the composition of our negotiators with Sullivan, I believe that he did not look at all like an uncle from above, he had to swallow an unambiguous threat to slam nuclear weapons across the United States if something happened.
    With the Sino-Taiwan scenario ahead, it's not over yet. I think that having licked their wounds, having filtered - I really hope - the command staff up to the General Staff, and even - oh horror - to the Minister of Defense, there will still be a holiday on our street both about Odessa and about Transnistria, at least!
  17. ChopChop Offline ChopChop
    ChopChop 11 November 2022 02: 27
    +2
    Everything is going according to plan, but not ours. The Anglo-Saxons are confidently leading to the collapse of Russia. At first I thought that our president was a failed project of the West. How did he become head of the FSB, how was he appointed prime minister? At that Yeltsin time, absolutely all serious appointments were made with the approval of our Western "friends". The first thing our ruler did when he became president was to allow the disposal of nuclear waste from western nuclear power plants. Then there was the accession to the sanctions against Iran (a ban on the supply of C300), joint exercises with the North Atlantic alliance. He also asked for NATO, so they sent him away, and so on. In general, he followed in the wake of the world leader. Then he tasted the taste of money and power, and the attack on Yukos began, the Munich speech (it seemed that he got out of hand). That's just behind Khodorkovsky loomed the real owners of money who needed our resources. Now our elite is systematically cut off from cash flows, and then the country will be destroyed and there will be a Eurasian analogue of Africa, where everyone is against everyone and take whatever you want. Those. everything turns out according to plan.
    And in addition. In the days of the USSR, how a university student should have shown himself and what instructions from the first department he should fulfill in order to be recommended for further study at a KGB school without having a father and mother with connections and position behind him.
    1. Atmospheric QUEEN (Atmospheric QUEEN) 11 November 2022 09: 34
      0
      ........... And imposed sanctions against the DPRK. Forgetting to take them off until today. The drunkard Yeltsin could not find a worthy one because of his drunkenness.
    2. Romanovski Offline Romanovski
      Romanovski (Roman) 11 November 2022 13: 22
      -2
      ...Everything is going according to plan, only...

      You are grossly mistaken, dear ... Do not wait for the weakening and collapse of Russia ... On the contrary, Russia will still catch a cold at the funeral of the greedy, greedy, aggressive, perverted and corrupt West .... Be patient a little ...
  18. Cetron Offline Cetron
    Cetron (Peteris) 11 November 2022 02: 47
    +1
    What cannot be done with cannons, a donkey will do with gold!
  19. VladimirNET Offline VladimirNET
    VladimirNET (Vladimir) 11 November 2022 04: 16
    +3
    Quote: rotkiv04
    the right bank of the Dnieper is much higher than the left, so any flooding will first occur on the left side, just where the great Kremlin strategist decided to withdraw troops, ... this says that the real reason ... is in a banal agreement

    And if we consider this option:
    1. Our troops do not withdraw and Ukraine breaks the dam.
    2. Water floods the entire left bank (not the one where the troops are).
    3. Troops on the right bank - cut off from supplies.
    4. All troop supply roads are flooded with water.
    5. As a result, our troops are completely surrounded.
    6. When the shells run out, all equipment (including all heavy weapons) will be lost, because you can only get out of the encirclement by crossing the water barrier.
    1. VladimirNET Offline VladimirNET
      VladimirNET (Vladimir) 11 November 2022 04: 56
      0
      More about the reasons for the withdrawal of troops:
      https://bloknot.ru/obshhestvo/pochemu-vy-veli-vojska-iz-hersona-mnenie-e-ksperta-bloknota-1012180.html
      1. gene1 Offline gene1
        gene1 (Gennady) 11 November 2022 08: 50
        -1
        Don't the experts know that it's easier to defend.

        ... taking Nikolaev is not a problem, with the available forces it can be taken in three days, the problem will be to keep it.

        This miracle calls himself an expert.
  20. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) 11 November 2022 06: 27
    +2
    There are two versions, one version, which this article also supports, that there is an agreement behind the doors, I personally agree with this point of view. Everything seems to be staged. and the other version says that the Russian troops withdrew to reach even more advantageous positions and methodically destroy the enemy. there were problems with the supply of troops. time will tell. the final conclusion is that cancer must be operated on and removed from the first days of its appearance, since it can turn into a mortal danger. we made a big strategic mistake in 2014
  21. Michael 68 Offline Michael 68
    Michael 68 11 November 2022 07: 26
    +1
    It is already possible to compile a huge list of agreements that Russia has gone to. And as a result, which only Russia complies with. This is already a clear trend. Recently. As it is not regrettable, we have to trust Ukrainian sources more. They are more truthful. In the Russian press, only lies. Although even when the Ukrainians reported on the agreements on the surrender of Kherson, they wrote that they did not believe that Putin would go for it. Went. The next step is the surrender of the Crimea. I am a Crimean myself. And I'm sad and sorry to understand. That we will be betrayed. We prevent Putin from selling resources to the West. It seems that the entire NWO was started in order to surrender the Crimea under the guise. Moreover, we have already paid compensation to the West in the form of 350 billionaires. So we are waiting for the evacuation of troops to the mainland. And the next peace initiatives.
  22. Fangaro Offline Fangaro
    Fangaro (Fangaro) 11 November 2022 08: 14
    -1
    Interesting version.
    The powers that be in different countries looked at how commoners fight, decided that everyone had flaws in preparation. Anyway, it's time to keep making money for the sake of peace.
  23. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 11 November 2022 08: 43
    +8
    What goals will Russia (more precisely, our rotten bureaucrats, do not call them Russia) achieve in this case? A bunch of people who died in vain, destroyed cities and towns, the drowned cruiser Moscow, shame and demonstration of the weakness of our army and our weapons, proof of the insignificance, incompetence and cowardice of our ruling elite. Even more nazification and militarization of Khokhlostan, a bunch of sanctions and destroyed trade relations. And in the future, another hack with the distraught forelock terrorists. Just an amazing plan, reliable as a Swiss watch!!!
  24. About the poor hussar 11 November 2022 09: 04
    +2
    this is the whole point of behind-the-scenes trading
    it couldn’t be otherwise - to shove alone to the whole west would be only a gift for them
    It's strange that no one understands this yet.
  25. Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) 11 November 2022 09: 35
    0
    The inconsistency of the special military operation is once again confirmed ... Without a war of the whole country against NATO, it will continue to be so ... The regions accepted, drank champagne, people were encouraged and saddened ...
    1. i232323b Offline i232323b
      i232323b (Igor) 11 November 2022 11: 46
      -1
      This is what they say about hope on our TVs. Smart people understand that it's not like that at all.
  26. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 11 November 2022 10: 16
    0
    All these are postulates from Judas. Everyone who is seen in this - into shackles and to Kolyma!
  27. Kon1916 Offline Kon1916
    Kon1916 (Harry) 11 November 2022 11: 00
    0
    In general, war is now politics and economics.
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  29. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 11 November 2022 13: 04
    +2
    It will be a disgrace for the Russian Federation, one way or another. It all seemed surreal a couple of months ago, but shame takes on a recognizable form, whether it's as the author described it or in a slightly different way. And the consequences for the Russian Federation on the world stage will be catastrophic and long-term. There is nothing more despised than an aggressor who has been kicked hard in the face. No matter how bitter it is to admit, but there has been no such crap for Russia since the first Crimean war, and for the same reasons: an unconscious military remnant, impotent generals, political miscalculations of the authorities, economic underdevelopment. And soon you may have to shamefully shout "glory to ukraini" ... And why not? Who doesn't respect winners?
  30. Alexey Lan Online Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 11 November 2022 13: 31
    +1
    In general, remember the original goal of the NWO: Liberation of Donbass, denazification (which is difficult or impossible to accomplish realistically) and demilitarization. There was no talk about the south of Ukraine. This was later added by Zaporozhye and Kherson. There will be peace along the front line and the Dnieper. Perhaps the entire unliberated Donbass will be exchanged for the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. And the canal to the Crimea and the land corridor are unlikely to be given to Ukraine. Let's see what will happen next. A truce and then another war are not excluded.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 11 November 2022 14: 26
      +1
      and then another war is not ruled out.

      Further war is inevitable if the whole of Ukraine is underestimated. For 8 months, the Ukrainians have divided into most of the enemies of the RUSSIAN, therefore, either we will win, or a bleeding wound will bring even more victims. Why don't they hit the decision-making centers: the president, ministers, commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine. Under the authorities of the Russian Federation, they want to sit on two chairs: to appease the EU and the USA, and not to lose the Russian Federation. In such cases, they fall to the ground between two chairs, which seems to be what happens.
  31. Electric welder Offline Electric welder
    Electric welder 11 November 2022 15: 45
    0
    The United Kingdom has issued a general trade license, which allows the provision of financial services for the supply of certain types of fertilizers from Russia to third countries.
    Jarred.
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  33. Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 12 November 2022 09: 49
    0
    fat red line from the "red lines"
    formed, on which the enemy rides without fear at all

    Gostomel.
    Kyiv region.
    Sumy region.
    Chernihiv region.
    BDK "Saratov".
    Cruiser Moscow.
    Island "Snake".
    A grain "we got ripped off" deal.
    Belgorod region.
    Kursk region.
    Voronezh region.
    The murder of Daria Dugina.
    Airfield in Novofedorovka.
    Murders of officials and prosecutors.
    Exchange "Azov".
    The death of children in Donetsk.
    Kharkov region.
    Red Lyman.
    A piece of the Kherson region.
    Northern streams.
    A piece of the Lugansk Republic.
    Crimean bridge.
    2nd grain surrender
    Kherson,
    And it all started with white flags under which the "athletes" of Rosiyani performed at competitions and olympiads.

    What do you think, in whose hands is Russia's nuclear arsenal now?
    1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
      vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 12 November 2022 13: 12
      0
      What do you think, in whose hands is Russia's nuclear arsenal now?

      In the hands of Israel.
      Moscow and Tel Aviv have friendship. In Israel, a quarter of the population is ours.
  34. Norma51 Offline Norma51
    Norma51 (Nick) 12 November 2022 11: 48
    +1
    Behind the grain deal were Abramovich and Erdogan, best friends of our commander Putin.

    It seems that the flight from Kherson is also the work of their hands.
  35. Ide Offline Ide
    Ide (Tetyana Pronchatova) 12 November 2022 11: 56
    0
    In short, the special operation failed, and we will have to start a new one in twenty years. Unless, of course, the Chinese do not come during this time.
  36. cold weather Offline cold weather
    cold weather (Anatoly) 12 November 2022 19: 51
    0
    Waiters cheered up? Waiting for cookies from Washington? The West is waging war with us, and what does Kherson have to do with it?