Why Surovikin decided not to organize "Stalingrad-2" near Kherson


The main news yesterday, of course, was the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kherson to the left bank of the Dnieper. That everything is going to this, we warned for a long time, secretly hoping for a miracle. Alas, the miracle did not happen. What will happen next with the Russian city of Kherson, which fell under Ukrainian occupation, with the Motherland and with us?


The last "regrouping"?


The fact that any decisions are possible in Kherson, up to the “most difficult ones,” was warned in advance by the commander-in-chief of the NWO Sergey Surovikin. I would like to thank the general for his honesty, that he did not entertain the people with vain illusions. After the start of mass evacuation from the city and the removal of everything reminiscent of its Russianness, up to the remains of Prince Potemkin and monuments to our great commanders, it became clear to all sane people that we were really leaving there. I wanted to believe in beautiful fairy tales from “Yura Suma” about the counterattack on Nikolaev, but it didn’t work out. Why was leaving the Right Bank only a matter of time?

Because this is a natural result of the entire logic of the special operation, for which insufficient forces were initially allocated, while scattering them in several directions at once. If the entire Russian grouping were thrown only to liberate Donbass together with the NM LDNR, this task would have already been achieved. If all forces were directed to the capture of Kyiv, it would have been taken in those same three days. If we had initially focused only on the southern direction, then Ukraine would have lost not only the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov, but also the Black Sea region. However, they did what they did.

The result was an inglorious withdrawal from Kyiv, where they staged a "Bucha" for us. The Russian troops deployed to the Donbass were far from fully involved in the NMD, and the process of liberation was very slow, which was presented as an incredibly smart decision to reduce losses. During this time, while the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the NM LDNR were fighting against the fortified areas, Kyiv carried out a large-scale mobilization, retrained under NATO standards and re-equipped additional forces, securing a multiple numerical superiority, and itself went on the counteroffensive. Then there was the infamous “regrouping” from the Kharkiv region with the reprisals of Ukrainian Nazis over pro-Russian activists in Balakliya, Kupyansk and Izyum. Then Krasny Lyman was lost on the territory of the DPR, which was considered already freed from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

And so the turn of Kherson naturally came. The occupation of this city in the early days of the North-Eastern Military District "with a swoop" was a huge achievement, which provided Russia with a convenient foothold on the Right Bank, which made it possible to develop a further offensive on Nikolaev, Krivoy Rog, Odessa, Nikopol, Zaporozhye and further to Dnepropetrovsk. About its strategic importance, we told previously. Alas, for some reason, the RF Armed Forces did not immediately go to the half-empty Nikolaev, which was only 60 kilometers from Kherson, and then the time for easy victories was lost.

Worse, the time when it was still possible to change something was mediocrely spent on a six-month standing on the Southern Front, until the eyes of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine turned their attention to it. The beginning of partial mobilization was announced by the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Putin only seven months after the start of the special operation, in September, when it was already too late. At the end of August, the enemy began consistent and steady pressure, which was called the "massacre for Kherson" in the biased Russian media. Armed with American Haymars, the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed the Antonovsky bridge and the crossing over the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station with missile strikes, making it impossible to reliably supply the group of the RF Armed Forces on the Right Bank, and continued to advance. Kherson was almost doomed. Why almost?

Because during the Great Patriotic War, our Red Army somehow managed not only to keep Stalingrad, located on the opposite bank of the Volga River, but also to win this battle against the Wehrmacht. Even the Ukrainian terrorists from "Azov" (banned in the Russian Federation as extremist) lasted 2,5 months in complete encirclement. Russia also has aviation, strategic and tactical, and missile forces, but its militarypolitical the leadership preferred to surrender the only liberated regional center of the former Independent Kyiv without a fight. Today, President Zelensky is already creating his own CAA on the territory of the Right-bank Kherson region. Why?

The commander of the NMD Surovikin argued his position as follows:

Comrade Defense Minister! Comprehensively assessing the current situation, it is proposed to take up defense along the left bank of the Dnieper River. I understand that this is a very difficult decision. But at the same time, we will preserve the most important thing - the lives of servicemen and, in general, the combat effectiveness of the grouping of troops, which is futile to keep on the right bank in a limited area.

Russian Defense Minister Shoigu agreed with his arguments:

Proceed with the withdrawal of troops and take all measures to ensure the safe transfer of personnel, weapons and equipment across the Dnieper River.

The withdrawal of the RF Armed Forces from Kherson to the left bank of the Dnieper will allow maintaining the personnel of the Russian army, which can be satiated and gradually reinforced with reservists for further battles. From a military point of view, this decision may be justified. However, there will be much more negative consequences from the surrender of Kherson without a fight, without Stalingrad-2.

"Israel on the Dnieper"


At first, we are losing a foothold on the Right Bank, which closes the possibility of a further offensive on Nikolaev, Krivoy Rog and Odessa. Turkish and Western partners can breathe easy, the “grain deal” is no longer in danger.

Secondly, Russia loses its new regional center Kherson, and also loses the opportunity to liberate Zaporozhye, located on the right bank. Nevertheless, it will still have to be done sometime, but then the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will really “wash themselves with blood”. That is, created background for the future “massacre for Kherson”, where the heaviest losses will be borne not by Ukrainian, but by Russian soldiers.

Thirdly, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received a safe natural border along the Dnieper and can now release additional forces to strike at the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov in order to cut the land corridor to Crimea, as well as destroy the Crimean bridge. After that, the peninsula will turn into an "island", which will be shot through by missiles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Navy will nightmare the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation with sea drone attacks. It is possible that in order to "save military personnel and maintain combat capability" the ships of the Black Sea Fleet will eventually be withdrawn from Sevastopol to Novorossiysk.

Fourthly, the brilliant media image of our Supreme Commander-in-Chief, skillfully created by PR specialists, has faded considerably, which threatens with the most unpredictable consequences as early as February-March 2024. The liberals, as opposed to him, strengthened their views. But patriotic Russians are asking more and more questions - why did this “strange” NWO go somewhere in the wrong place and instead of hoisting the Banner of Victory over Lvov, we shoot our tricolor in Russian Kherson? Tens of thousands of our new fellow citizens from the evacuated Kherson suddenly became persons without a fixed place of residence.

Fifthly, Ukraine, which was supposed to be demilitarized and denazified within the framework of the special operation, is becoming even more militarized and nazified before our very eyes. That is, the result is directly opposite to the task originally declared by Putin. The end result of the NWO, if nothing fundamentally changes in approaches, will be the transformation of the former Nezalezhnaya into "Israel on the Dnieper". It will be a Nazi state pumped up with Russophobia and the most modern weapons, which has as its goal not only the return of previously lost territories, but also the complete destruction of the Russian Federation.

We need change here and now. About how you can try to get out of this pit-trap, we will talk in more detail later.
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  1. Down Offline Down
    Down (Etwas) 10 November 2022 10: 50
    +29
    And what is there to comment on, the fish rots from the head))
    1. akropin Offline akropin
      akropin (Alexey) 10 November 2022 11: 09
      +2
      The great Russian language is very rich in images. The proverb about fish, for me, implies that when starting a business or colliding with something created by someone, one must bear in mind that with a disregarding attitude, we can initially get an undesirable result. The imagery lies in the fact that with all this, somewhere there is still hope to correct the matter. And here, about everything that happens - hope leaves.
      1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 10 November 2022 18: 08
        -2
        horror, how many times suckers can be lowered below the baseboard in 30 years, but alas .....
    2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 10 November 2022 11: 15
      -5
      Here the strategic decision is correct, because the rotten fish will fall apart, with the further expansion of hostilities. Now time is being won to patch up their rottenness, and most importantly, to ruin the Ukrainian statehood, destroying energy and industry on the eve of winter. General Frost will continue to act on Russia. With increased attacks on the infrastructure of Ukraine, the state will plunge into chaos and will not be up to victory, the question of survival will become the main one.
      1. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
        Sidor Bodrov 10 November 2022 11: 31
        +21
        And who prevented them from doing this immediately with their infrastructure, transport corridors, military convoys?
        1. Mobius Offline Mobius
          Mobius 10 November 2022 14: 46
          +16
          Quote: Sidor Bodrov
          And who prevented you from doing it right away with their infrastructure, transport corridors, military convoys?

          Stupid, brainless menagery in power.
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      2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 November 2022 12: 29
        +12
        Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
        Here the strategic decision is correct, because the rotten fish will fall apart, with the further expansion of hostilities. Now time is being won to patch up their rottenness, and most importantly, to ruin the Ukrainian statehood, destroying energy and industry on the eve of winter. General Frost will continue to act on Russia. With increased attacks on the infrastructure of Ukraine, the state will plunge into chaos and will not be up to victory, the question of survival will become the main one.

        don’t hope, they won’t let the ukroreich die, they will pump him up with weapons and throw him into a new war, but it will be another war
      3. special correspondent (oleg) 10 November 2022 16: 32
        +6
        hopes for a "frost general" cannot be 100% justified every historical time. At some point, it will fail again. The involvement of the entire NATO in this conflict promises that it is possible that their technologies will be able to withstand the "savior General Frost" this time.
      4. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 10 November 2022 18: 12
        +12
        strategically extended life to 78 years, and the people are dying like flies, it doesn’t smell like strategy, but mediocrity for all 30 years ...
      5. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 11 November 2022 09: 12
        -6
        The jingoists think funny, the champions of the notorious "Russian world" they need to ruin someone else's statehood and someone else's life, instead of building their own and making their country-Russia attractive to others. Instead of developing your country, remove the monstrous inequality, corruption, beggarly wages, the arbitrariness of the authorities and officials.
        1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
          DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 November 2022 09: 18
          +1
          This is what else! And how they will be outraged there, in Europe, when we free our native Russian lands from rot. This is just the beginning.....
        2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 11 November 2022 22: 29
          +1
          Monster, you probably just don't know that Ukraine is primordially Russian lands? We just return them and return all of ours. Dissenters will either be destroyed on the battlefield, or they themselves will flee to the West. All in good time, Monster.
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    4. Serjio Offline Serjio
      Serjio (sergio) 11 November 2022 09: 51
      0
      in 2024, our dense people should put Kadyrov in charge
      1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 11 November 2022 11: 24
        0
        well, they suddenly changed their shoes and supported, apparently not everything is the same as what they were talking about before ....
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  2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 November 2022 11: 12
    +23
    the brilliant supreme sat up and lied completely, he himself would have left with dignity, and not be expelled by filthy rags
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 10 November 2022 15: 38
      -24
      Victor, and filthy rags are you and your comrades, stupid? laughing
      1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 November 2022 20: 13
        +6
        Quote: isofat
        Victor, and filthy rags are you and your comrades, stupid? laughing

        which of us is smarter will show time, but I think you will be disappointed in your idol laughing
        R. With. I read your correspondence with Moebius, your knowledge of Hebrew spelling is amazing, so it’s more likely that you are a Jew and not him, but you are afraid to admit it, you should not be ashamed of your origin, you should be proud wink
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 10 November 2022 21: 04
          -10
          Victor, my idol is Russia, not "revolutionaries" like you, who are destroying the country. smile
          I will not dissuade you, think for yourself whether I am a Jew or not. By the way, there are many wonderful people among the Jews. laughing love
          1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
            rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 November 2022 21: 23
            +4
            Quote: isofat
            Victor, my idol is Russia, not "revolutionaries" like you, who are destroying the country. smile
            I will not dissuade you, think for yourself whether I am a Jew or not. By the way, there are many wonderful people among the Jews. laughing love

            I just don’t have anything against the Jews, unlike you, but again you twisted everything as in the correspondence with Moebius, but as for the revolutionaries, you are in the wrong place, I am for the change of power, and not offending her with a backward point for 20 years, otherwise not only the chair under someone shines, but the fifth point sparkles
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 10 November 2022 21: 36
              -1
              Victor, quite another matter. Look for a worthy candidate and come to the polls.

              As for the Jews these are ordinary people, there are bad ones, there are good ones. laughing
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            3. Herman 4223 Offline Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 (Alexander) 12 November 2022 20: 25
              +1
              Point one, it never and nowhere changes peacefully and without bloodshed
              Point two, if the power is changing, see point one and figure out who the power really is then.
          2. alexandre II Offline alexandre II
            alexandre II (Alexander) 11 November 2022 10: 05
            -1
            You have already destroyed the country and are destroying the remnants, enough pathos, maybe it's time to take up your mind ....
          3. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
            ja.net.1975 11 November 2022 11: 29
            +1
            for some reason, all Russian "idols" at the hour "x" find themselves on the other side of the barricades ...
        2. passing by Offline passing by
          passing by (passing by) 11 November 2022 06: 06
          -4
          you have already shown your mind by choosing Yanukovych, Poroshenko, Zelensky... whom a Ukrainian can put in power is known. keep your advice on how to turn Russia into Ukraine. Ukrainians don't like Putin? Russians don't like Ukrainians. and the fact that you are now on all channels ... boiling water is wonderful. it means you are not comfortable and you will soon dump the whole herd.
          1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
            ja.net.1975 11 November 2022 11: 32
            -5
            they are in search, unlike us, who are mired in stupidity ....
    2. Grits Offline Grits
      Grits (Alexander) 10 November 2022 16: 14
      +7
      The sunset of the glory of our supreme leader sparkled with new colors, in the light of which the distinct appearance of Nicholas II began to appear.
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  3. Victor M. Offline Victor M.
    Victor M. (Victor) 10 November 2022 11: 16
    -8
    The author contradicts himself. Either from the very beginning they dispersed the troops, then it was necessary to take Nikolaev as well ...
    Sofa strategists...)
    1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 10 November 2022 11: 26
      +8
      Sofa strategists are smarter than the Kremlin ones, because in any case we survive, but how will the Kremlin strategists feel without the Kremlin.
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 10 November 2022 12: 16
        +2
        Quote: aslan642
        no matter what happens, we survive

        This is who is not mobilized ...
        1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
          aslanxnumx (Aslan) 10 November 2022 12: 40
          +1
          What does mobilization have to do with it, here the question is about the survival of Russia. A big war is not over the horizon
          1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
            DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 November 2022 09: 21
            +1
            It has already begun. Someone wanted to win her on the battlefield. We, Russian Russians, will win it. We will win!
            Maybe this will be the last war on planet Earth .....
      2. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 11 November 2022 09: 16
        -1
        Do not hope to survive without the Kremlin. The Kremlin will drag you along.
    2. special correspondent (oleg) 10 November 2022 16: 34
      +1
      he says that if they had focused on one direction, in this case the south, then they would have taken Odessa. But, how could they be able to keep such a narrow southern near-Black Sea strip, this is a question.
  4. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 10 November 2022 11: 23
    0
    Without nuclear mushrooms, it will be difficult to reverse the situation. Or drive milestones of Russian men to Ukraine, but they won’t go for it, because. there will be rivers of blood.
  5. Atmospheric QUEEN (Atmospheric QUEEN) 10 November 2022 11: 34
    +9
    There is no Stalin, Zhukov and Rokossovsky in Russia.
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 11 November 2022 06: 10
      0
      then the conditionally male Ukrainian rabies would be the first to go to the front ... moreover, they would clear the minefields with a row of their hooves, and not write advice from the sofa.
    2. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 November 2022 09: 23
      0
      We have enough smart and capable people in Russia. The time has come. They are already in the ranks of those who are ready to fight. Do not believe anyone who whines that Russia will lose. No. Russia win. It is possible that the whole world will lose. It happens that way too.
  6. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 10 November 2022 11: 58
    -2
    One thing is clear - this is a deal. What they promised Russia, the common people do not know.
    But, he also knows that we are expected to be thrown.
    After that, Putin will have to accelerate - finally destroy the Ukrainian energy system. Further CHAOS.
    The decision to bring in peacekeepers under the auspices of the UN. Pristina throw 2 RF Armed Forces from the territory of Belarus to Transnistria. This is November - December 2022. Squeezing the stoned into the western regions. By regional vote.

    Thus, the bridgehead in Belarus becomes the main one.
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 November 2022 12: 35
      +16
      Yes, what a throw, Eltsin was even bolder and more decisive than the current strategist, this is a man of PR and hanging noodles, they used to be afraid of him, but now everyone has already understood, both supporters and opponents, that he is not capable of anything. Until he is in power, nothing will change, got a disgrace, now we get a real war
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    2. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 10 November 2022 18: 16
      0
      dad is not to allow a war with a neighbor on his territory ...!!
    3. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 November 2022 09: 35
      +3
      Yes, perhaps a deal. Those who are in power do not all associate their lives and future with Russia. Unfortunately, this is so. These characters protect their savings invested in the West, their mothers and children. This is clear. They are asking (through the media) to be understood, that they are ready for peace. They are ready, this is their world. They don't care about the people and the country. They just take care of themselves. Everything already happened. But why should we understand them? We, ordinary Russians, have yet to understand this and do what we must with them. We, too, must take care of ourselves. And we all already understood what is typical. I wrote about this for a long time that those who do not want to live in Russia do not see their future and the future of their children here - let them leave. It's still possible to do it. Leave our country to us, we remember and have learned the lessons of the 90s, we will not give up, we will not agree to an agreement, we have OWN RULES and they are CORRECT!
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      2. gene1 Offline gene1
        gene1 (Gennady) 11 November 2022 13: 44
        0
        "Agreement" does not mean worse than Russia. It means both sides agree. Whether someone likes it or not.
  7. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 10 November 2022 12: 28
    +13
    I have already drawn conclusions for myself a long time ago, the key posts of our country are ignorant and incompetent boobies who got there by the degree of loyalty, and not because of their professional qualities and achievements, and the fish is rotten from the head, there are deceivers and ass-lickers all around, ranging from colonel and ending with the minister. They turned the country into a laughingstock in which they spit right in the face, and the army was humiliated below nowhere and turned into a bunch of goons who, apart from grub and equipment from the USSR, don’t even have anything even mask networks (yesterday I read a Komsomolskaya Pravda report, our guys flashed in the photo, who cut a trophy tufted shape into flaps and knitted a mask net from the patches). If this operation had been led by patriots (like Strelkov), and not by crooks, Ukraine would not have existed for a long time, and we would continue to live our own lives, and not reports from the front from the telegrams of the channels.
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    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 10 November 2022 21: 50
      -3
      Glory, thanks, but not everyone agrees with your long-drawn conclusions, you do not indicate the date of their appearance.
      How long ago Slava did you draw your conclusions?
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  8. Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 10 November 2022 12: 51
    +4
    NWO? Operation Gapon-2! The whole course of the so-called NWO all the time left an unpleasant aftertaste, what's going on? And Kherson put everything in its place.
    The Kremlin elite DOES NOT NEED A VICTORY ON THE FASCISTS OF UKRAINE! Since the fascists of Ukraine are Jews, the same JEWS as those who seized power in Russia. Hence all these agreements, the “toothlessness” of the Russian army that stuns the country ...
    The ruling clique does not need a victorious army. Everything is going according to the plan of the Jewish fascists in Moscow and Kyiv.
    There were many different things in the history of Russia ... Tsushima, then the revolutions of 1905 and 1917, then the execution of the tsar with the whole corrupt family.
    Now Kherson. Not far off is the revolution 202_ and the execution near the Kremlin wall of the main and corrupt Gapon-2. I believe it will! Because I believe in Russia!
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 11 November 2022 06: 15
      -1
      baboons are preparing another false Dmitry for the Moscow throne with the Poles and believe in it? laughing then a minin with a fireman will appear ...
  9. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 10 November 2022 12: 59
    -3
    the main reason for the surrender of Kherson is the threat of flooding (a large expansion of the riverbed, the Russian group on the right bank may be isolated and surrounded), with the collapse of the Kakhovka dam, on which dill bullets shoot up to 120 himars per day, 80% are shot down, which means 20-30 missiles fall . Apparently, Zion Bander was not affected by the preventive attacks of the Russian Federation on the power industry coming out and was not afraid of the prospect of freezing in winter. therefore, I had to dump from Kherson (the shelling of the dam continues), but be a couple of kilometers from it. in this case, the Russian Federation should continue to completely cut off the heating and energy of Banderstan, this will force the heads of Bandera to evacuate the population (Klitchok has already protyafal about this), this will allow the Russian Federation to strike at militants in empty cities, including Kyiv. decides the Russian Federation itself to blow up the dam, and thus eliminate the threat of a Bandera offensive from Kherson, is still unknown. but there is such a possibility - the Kakhovka dam will remain under the control of the Russian Federation. given the 8 years of shelling of Donetsk, it is necessary to advance in this area. move Bander from Donetsk towards Dnepropetrovsk. simultaneously attack from Energodar, also towards Dnepropetrovsk. and then advance on Nikolaev from the north and from Kherson)) by that time the heads of Bandera should evacuate the population (or they themselves will dump them in the Zapadenschina) from the frozen cities, which will untie the hands of Surovikin))

    1. gene1 Offline gene1
      gene1 (Gennady) 10 November 2022 14: 19
      +4
      Yes, that's exactly what it will be. But, we still CANNOT take the city! No numerical superiority; the number and quality of national battalions has increased significantly + mercenaries - they will sit in houses and do nothing. Only the mobilized were destroyed.
    2. Mobius Offline Mobius
      Mobius 10 November 2022 14: 54
      +7
      Quote: 1_2
      the main reason for the surrender of Kherson is the threat of flooding

      Kyiv, by the way, stands downstream of the Dnieper, ten kilometers from the huge "Kyiv Sea", a reservoir with a dam and a system of locks, but for some reason there is no "threat of flooding" for it ...
      Or maybe it was worthwhile to demonstrate the seriousness of intentions, and it is indicative to make several "sighting and demonstration" arrivals along the dam? So that in Kukuev they understand that they will not joke with them.
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 10 November 2022 15: 50
        -7
        Quote: Möbius
        Kyiv, by the way, is downstream ...

        Mobius, Kyiv should have been built on a high place. Yes, you can look at the map. You didn't study in Israel, by any chance? laughing
        1. Mobius Offline Mobius
          Mobius 10 November 2022 16: 25
          +2
          Quote: isofat
          Mobius, Kyiv had to be built on a high place. Yes, you can look at the map.

          Kyiv, in the hills, downstream of the Dnieper stands, since ancient times , when no one thought about the "Kiev Sea". Therefore, a dam breakthrough is a man-made disaster, much larger than Kherson threatens.

          Quote: isofat
          You didn't study in Israel, by any chance?

          The Jews won't let you go... laughing
          You don’t take it out on me if the Jews offended ...
          I wrote to you in a PM - sort out the family yes ...
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 10 November 2022 16: 48
            -6
            Quote: isofat
            The Jews won't let you go...

            Mobius, bored without them, where have they gone?
            In our country, they usually press a comma to the left letter, on the other side, but in Israel they write from right to left and don’t bother much, plus other signs.

            We are actually talking about the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, Zaporozhye region, stupid. laughing

            PS See Novaya Kakhovka on the map.
            And this is a flood map - https://www.kp.ru/daily/27460/4665385/
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              2. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 10 November 2022 17: 44
                -9
                PS Suspicious person, drove Mobius, wants to commit genocide of the civilian population of the city of Kyiv. And confirmed his intentions. Country of residence presumably Israel. laughing
                1. Mobius Offline Mobius
                  Mobius 10 November 2022 17: 51
                  +4
                  Quote: isofat
                  PS Suspicious person, drove Mobius, wants to commit genocide of the civilian population of the city of Kyiv. And confirmed his intentions. Country of residence presumably Israel. laughing

                  This is WAR , "isofat", where Ukraine threatens the mass destruction of the population of Russia, why , we are not in the right to answer them with the same threat to prevent the tragedy ?
                  1. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 10 November 2022 21: 16
                    -3
                    Quote: isofat
                    ... where Ukraine threatens the mass destruction of the population of Russia

                    Mobius, not Ukraine, Zelensky the Jew threatens with mass destruction. yes love
                  2. Fourth Offline Fourth
                    Fourth (Fourth) 11 November 2022 13: 23
                    0
                    Your proposals to flood Kyiv and its population is not a war, but a war crime. Where are you from, where is your home?
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              4. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
                DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 November 2022 09: 42
                -1
                No matter how much nonsense you write, they remain nonsense. And why? Because stupid people write stupid things. Even if they are Jews.
    3. special correspondent (oleg) 10 November 2022 16: 38
      +1
      and what will give that the city's coming out empty? You don't think
      that Bandera will also leave them and not turn them into citadels to hold out until spring?
    4. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 10 November 2022 18: 19
      0
      State Department rules ......!
    5. Alik Honey Offline Alik Honey
      Alik Honey (Alik Honey) 11 November 2022 15: 14
      +1
      Not tired of rewriting the nonsense of E-k-s-p-e-r-d-o-in and broadcasting your stupidity. One of them has already agreed that the coast to which the troops of the Russian Federation crossed is higher than the opposite, and nothing threatens them. Look at the map, translators.
      1. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
        Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 11 November 2022 21: 11
        0
        Alik, that's right, due to the rotation of the Earth in the northern hemisphere, all rivers have a steep right bank, in the southern hemisphere, on the contrary, it seems that many experts received diplomas of education not for knowing military geography.
  10. Pavel Mokshanov_2 (Pavel Mokshanov) 10 November 2022 13: 09
    +10
    Under such supreme strategists, we are waiting for the comradely surrender of the remaining annexed territories, and then the Crimea. Is this how it should be understood? There was a lot of patriotic screeching, but it turned out as always.
    1. Grits Offline Grits
      Grits (Alexander) 10 November 2022 16: 19
      +6
      Moreover, I am more and more inclined to think that soon Surovikin will declare the expediency of creating a defense on the left bank of the Don.
  11. Pravodel Offline Pravodel
    Pravodel (ppp) 10 November 2022 13: 14
    +8
    After the surrender near Kharkov and now Kherson, the main question is: what's next ???
    A little earlier I already wrote that wars are not won by local skirmishes and the extermination of 100-200 or even 1000 enemies on the battlefield. The war is being won defeating the enemy army. After losing the strategic initiative and going on the defensive, is it possible to defeat the enemy army and win the war!?
    Or hope for General FROST, who will exterminate everyone, bury everyone, or, on the contrary, try on everyone at once?
    So this is a faint hope. Therefore, a little history.
    1. First Patriotic War, 1812
    General FROST destroyed the French army - the army of Europe. But, is it true!?.. Napoleon's army went to Moscow on the condition that by taking Moscow it would end the war. This is beautifully stated in our famous classic film "Kutuzov", where the French general reports to Napoleon that the army believes that the war is over. As a result, wholesale looting, robberies and decomposition of the army ... As a result, Napoleon leaves Moscow ... Further, the way back to Europe and the death of the army. And here is the question: Napoleon's army died because of frost or because of the capture of Moscow and its own decay .. For those who understand, it is obvious: after the capture of Moscow and decomposition, Napoleon's army was doomed and would have died even in autumn conditions ...
    2. Second Patriotic War, 1941
    As in 1812, a harsh winter, the Germans are not ready for winter, they are standing a few kilometers near Moscow. But the question is: could we have held and defeated the Germans near Moscow if we hadn’t transferred Siberian divisions to Moscow!?... Obviously, the Germans near Moscow were defeated not by General Moroz, but by our army, our reserves transferred from the Far East in time. What would happen to Moscow if these reserves did not exist, everyone can answer for himself.
    Taking into account history, it is obvious that it is not General FROST who destroys the enemy, but only our army, which deprives the enemy of reserves and inflicts a crushing blow on him ... Hence, no matter how tightly we sit on the defensive, no matter how well GENERAL FROST works for us , destroy the Banderlog army and win the war, we can only completely defeat the enemy, as it was during the battle of Moscow and during the Second World War.
    Hope for General Frost is not for us, but for a prosperous geyropa, but only our army, led not by parquet, but by literate generals, can help us, for whom modern war is not a game of defense, but an initiative even in defense, aimed at attrition the enemy, to create conditions for delivering a decisive blow, leading to its complete defeat.
    1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 10 November 2022 21: 09
      0
      And here is the question: Napoleon's army died because of frost or because of the capture of Moscow and its own decay .. For those who understand, it is obvious: after the capture of Moscow and decomposition, Napoleon's army was doomed and would have died even in autumn conditions ..

      Napoleon's army died because of a miscalculation in things that you don't even know about:
      all the draft power of his army consisted in French (German and other) horses, accustomed to juicy French (German) herbs and fodder. Having tasted the Russian straw-hay, the French horses began to get sick, and then the straw-hay ended - the horses began to die. The supply of fodder from Europe was practically a failure, the cavalry partly died, partly was eaten by horsemen. Huge distances and frosts, lack of food for people and horses completed the collapse of Napoleon's army.
  12. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 10 November 2022 13: 33
    +1
    Ha. Now let's go explaining about Kherson ...
    Scarecrows about Mudbomb and Explosion Dams are almost forgotten....

    But if they don’t blow up nifiga - how the "experts" will be delighted then! A new stream of explanations, fees, PR, exaltation of the perspicacity of Themselves and the cowardice of the collective Z.
    1. gene1 Offline gene1
      gene1 (Gennady) 10 November 2022 14: 06
      -2
      Nuclear blackmail from the West stopped after the Russian Federation's demonstrated readiness to use Neptunes from the nuclear submarine of Belgorod. Now, it is quite possible that the blackmail of flooding has been stopped: troops and civilians have been evacuated - what is the point of blowing up dams?
    2. Fourth Offline Fourth
      Fourth (Fourth) 11 November 2022 14: 42
      -2
      You also tired other people's explanations with your explanations.
  13. VladZ Offline VladZ
    VladZ (Vladimir) 10 November 2022 14: 00
    0
    Quote: rotkiv04
    he should leave with dignity

    For him, this is like death now, and he understands this very well.
    1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 10 November 2022 18: 21
      0
      And how will the suckers live without him ...
  14. Andrey Vylev Offline Andrey Vylev
    Andrey Vylev (Andrey Vylev) 10 November 2022 14: 02
    +1
    Vkontakte wrote for several years about Putinism as a cancerous tumor of Russian society, but I was often considered crazy, and they did not accept what I wanted to say then.
    Since words do not help to awaken the Russian bear, then Satanists will do it, which of course, unfortunately, will cost the Russian people very dearly !!!
  15. doc8673 Offline doc8673
    doc8673 (Vyacheslav) 10 November 2022 16: 05
    -9
    Kherson is now a trap ...... Ukrainians will enter there and find themselves trapped, and even under the threat of flooding this territory, they will be in full view and under constant fire .......
    1. Cetron Offline Cetron
      Cetron (Peteris) 11 November 2022 02: 36
      +4
      In the palm of your hand there will be Russian troops on the left bank, they will also be in the flood zone. The right bank is high and almost never floods...
      The whole of Russia is now trapped! The West realized that the whole strength of the Russian army is cartoons, fiction! There is no army or navy. No matter how Kaliningrad is taken away tomorrow, there is nothing to answer with, only "effective managers." Yes, and Japan is stirring something: it is possible to squander the Kuril Islands (arrange a regrouping in order to preserve what was acquired by overwork). And there is Karelia, a tasty morsel for Finland.
      The President of Serbia has already said: there is no more hope for Russia. Well, at least not a mother ...
      1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 11 November 2022 11: 43
        0
        now the dad will turn his back and see no threat from Poland, and the entire contingent will return to their places of permanent deployment ...
  16. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 10 November 2022 18: 24
    +4
    Initially vague goal of the NWO:
    - if you release the DPR-LPR, then why was it necessary to disperse forces and means along the entire front from Kyiv and Kharkov to Kherson.
    - if you denazize and demilitarize Ukraine by force of arms, then this is obviously not the right tool, and it showed the opposite result.
    - if you stop NATO’s development of the territory of Ukraine, then not only did they not stop, but they also received a protracted NWO, a political and economic blockade, worldwide Russophobia and Finland, which is two hours away from S. Pitir, and the flight time is less than from Kharkov.
    In Donbass, for 8 years, both sides have created an echeloned front line that the Russian army has not been able to break through for almost 9 months.
    There was no such defense in other directions of the front, which allowed the Russian Federation to occupy large territories with small forces, but it became problematic to keep them even taking into account the partial mobilization carried out.
    The total mobilization in Ukraine, the supply of Western weapons, the untouched transport infrastructure and the system of military and civilian administration, made it possible not only to make up for the losses of the initial stage of the war, but also to build up potential and seize the initiative, and the sanctions policy of the West cannot but have a negative impact on the Russian Federation.
    The creation of an analogue of the State Defense Committee during the Great Patriotic War and an attempt to switch to a mobilization economy cannot, without a fundamental change in the entire social order, and not affect the interests of the RSPP singers, which creates internal tension and contradictions hidden for the time being, which will grow the stronger, the longer the SVO lasts and political economic blockade of the Russian Federation.
    The decision to withdraw troops from the right bank of the Dnieper was made by the Minister of Defense - S.K.
  17. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 November 2022 20: 12
    +4
    It is not clear from the text why they did not dare to make "Stalingrad" in Kherson.
    If only out of a desire to save the lives of soldiers, then it was not worth starting a war.

    What is the distance from the new front line along the Dnieper to Kerch? The map gives less than 300 km
    1. svit55 Offline svit55
      svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 10 November 2022 21: 57
      -2
      Along the Dnieper to Kerch? )) Change the map, only crests could draw such a map.
  18. Albert Shi Offline Albert Shi
    Albert Shi (Albert Shayakhmetov) 10 November 2022 21: 07
    -3
    The comparison with Israel is not appropriate. A small but organized country in the enemy environment of huge, but weaker countries. Here the picture is completely different.
  19. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 10 November 2022 21: 31
    +5
    Ukraine, which was supposed to be demilitarized and denazified within the framework of the special operation, is becoming even more militarized and nazified before our very eyes. That is, the result is directly opposite to the task originally declared by Putin

    That's right!
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 11 November 2022 06: 25
      0
      otherwise Putin is not aware that Nazism is the mentality of the aboriginal ruins ... they have already begun to show their true "face" everywhere ... but how they sang about the right Ukrainians ...
      1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
        DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 November 2022 10: 00
        +2
        You're right. Leaving Ukraine and the so-called. huge Russian lands to Ukrainians, fraternally, though not by the will of the people, the Russians hoped ... no, they just gave it away and that's it - live, prosper, be friends with us and that's it. Without any conditions. What is it that "Ukrainian brothers" know that, nothing new, drink for a walk, steal gaps and eventually returned to the vile Bandera bloody sect, the most vile and vile, which is among the same dirt. selling their soul and land (not theirs) to non-humans from the west. Which, in principle, was predicted by all people who at least once encountered these descendants of policemen and traitors, the so-called. Ukrainians. They jump. And they will jump. No other is given. The liars and thieves also stained themselves with the blood of the Russian people.
  20. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 10 November 2022 21: 49
    +3
    Yes, do not be disgraced comparing Surovikin with MARSHAL CHUIKOV.
  21. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 10 November 2022 23: 19
    +7
    Who is to blame for this, Putin? Shoigu? Surovikina? Whom? How will you look people in the eye after fleeing Kherson? People were saved, that's good, but why weren't the railroads bombed? I know why - you used Ukrainian railways to transport your goods to Europe for sale! Contractor again! And after that you are looking for traitors? And look for patriots among Russian citizens? Scoundrels!
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 11 November 2022 06: 27
      -2
      what "people"? pro-Ukrainian half of Kherson? so they refused to evacuate and meet the APU with flowers. these "people" will peck the crow's eye.
  22. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 10 November 2022 23: 20
    +5
    Hmm, a traumatic situation in an obvious way, and it - the author is right - was predetermined by the toothlessness of the first months of SVO. Even to us, mere mortals, it was obvious after the "Bucha", after the videos about the protracted supply, after the shocking news about the death of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet "Moskva", that at least it was time to do something. Either throw nuclear weapons at Poland with the threat of immediately hitting the pentagon and other centers in the United States, or involve the Republic of Belarus and cut off the western supply routes to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or at least announce mobilization and roll up the sleeves of those who remained in the rear, winder!
    We have what we have. And the thought that Sergei voiced, it is in the air:

    the brilliant media image of our Supreme Commander-in-Chief has faded considerably, which threatens with the most unpredictable consequences as early as February-March 2024

    In turn, I will object that it is quite predictable. Personally, six months ago, I decided to vote for Mishustin, if it happens that he is appointed to apply. An active man, an engineer, I think for a couple of five-year plans his quite decent managerial decisions will definitely be enough instead of chicanery and suffocating techniques, which, in my opinion, are characteristic of our commander in chief and I personally are not very attractive, let's say so.
    In addition, as a smart person, the GDP cannot but realize that it risks the electorate. I am sure that at least he admits not to nominate his candidacy. It may well be that something similar to the transfer of power is coming a couple of months before the elections, a la Yeltsin No. 2. By the way, maybe even earlier))
  23. Igor Offline Igor
    Igor (Vladimirovich) 10 November 2022 23: 20
    -5
    everything is much wider and deeper. The ALL original concept of the TN NWO was completely stupid. And in general, the TN NWO was unnecessary. Ukraine was slowly moving towards complete degradation, so. The crisis processes in the EU and the USA inevitably deepened. didn’t do it, and an attempt to do this as an excuse looks generally stupid, all the more referring to some Khazin’s thoughts (Khazin is generally a rare dreamer and balabol in fact, although he is interesting in a number of things, it’s very surprising for him that just yesterday he admitted to his own delusion in many ways), just as it was stupid all the more to announce the beginning of some kind of "liberation of the oppressed people of Ukraine." Thus, the Russian Federation was clearly in a hurry and, just as the saying goes, received:

    You hasten to make people laugh.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 10 November 2022 23: 39
      +1
      The ENTIRE original concept of TN SVO was completely stupid.

      Well, not exactly stupid. But after all, no one considered an alternative. NWO could be made purely defensive. And strangle Europe economically.
      Let's say, pump up the LDNR with a 150-strong group and become on the defensive. Having previously prepared fortified areas following the example of Ukrainian ones. crests defended Mariupol for 2,5 months. And our "commanders" handed over cities in a day. A huge bridgehead will be handed over in a few days. Max per week.

      By the way, I really believe that the Ukrainians were preparing a "dirty bomb".
      1. Igor Offline Igor
        Igor (Vladimirovich) 10 November 2022 23: 59
        -1
        Well, who forbids you to believe in something or not, like others? Believe! Only neither the special forces of the Russian Federation, nor, no matter how you treat them, the IAEA, etc., in general, so far NOBODY, no traces of so-called dirty poison bombs found, and in general it made very little sense at that time it was so accurate. The fact that Ze has a long tongue without bones, yes, and the Russians themselves constantly talked about it. But a clown - that's why he is a clown! What kind?
        According to Tn SVO. Well, if she wasn’t stupid, then maybe in almost 9 months. AT LEAST ONE point would be completely fulfilled, eh?
        I think that it was not in vain that smart people said more than once, according to all the canons of warfare, that at that time a minimum of 3-4 times in manpower and so on (500-700 thousand at a minimum) was needed to wage a war with Ukraine. Although I advise you to listen to A. Devyatov, where he very accurately describes a treatise on the art of war, where it is correctly written that bringing to war is already a losing business. But there was an alternative somewhere, it just didn’t have the necessary lobbyists in power. Why - then they decided not to wait for Ukraine to strike first, they say, they will crush tons of LDNR in 3-4 days. Perhaps yes. But only possible. This is an assumption. with such an approach, she can completely and generally lose the war. Moreover, she lost the "battle for the minds" of Ukrainians with a devastating score precisely because of the generally completely incomprehensible concept of TN SVO. And this is all additional motivation plus tens of thousands more APU soldier.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 November 2022 00: 03
          -2
          And how do you imagine a "dirty bomb". Ukraine has all the components. And blind her case for five minutes. Another thing is that it will not work to pass it off as a nuclear strike. There are completely different radionuclides.
          1. Igor Offline Igor
            Igor (Vladimirovich) 11 November 2022 00: 16
            -1
            And what is the point in it????? Moreover, then what was the point in even using it?
        2. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 11 November 2022 00: 06
          -2
          The course of hostilities showed that at the first blow of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the corps of the LDNR would have been crushed not in 3-4 days, but in one day.

          NWO, in my opinion, was supposed to be defensive. And the economic war against the EU was supposed to be aggressive and offensive.
          1. Igor Offline Igor
            Igor (Vladimirovich) 11 November 2022 00: 21
            -1
            What is the course of hostilities? How do you know how an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the tons of LDNR could have gone? Who told you that there is no such fortified area from the side of the tons of LDNR? As far as I know, there is exactly the same massive fortified area. And they hold on it could have been there, maybe much more than 3-4 days. The RF Armed Forces, as already almost a "legal guarantor of the implementation of the Min. agreements," would have had enough time to react and the Russian Federation would have looked in the eyes of millions as a real savior, and not an occupier.
            And the US and Britain are waging war against the EU, not the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation here acts as a means to achieve an ek.victory over the EU.
  24. Ilya 22 Offline Ilya 22
    Ilya 22 (Ilya) 10 November 2022 23: 57
    +3
    In history, it is customary to characterize the periods of government of the head of state. The 20 years of Putin's rule, in my opinion, can be characterized as a period of missed opportunities for Russia. And this is not only SVO. began with high oil prices in the mid-XNUMXs, which could help develop the economy. Well, further down the list. I think every thinking person can name. History always gives a chance, and if an intelligent leader is at the helm of the country, then the country uses this chance. Russia unfortunately has no luck with the rulers, with rare exceptions.
  25. Ilya 22 Offline Ilya 22
    Ilya 22 (Ilya) 11 November 2022 00: 11
    +4
    We started on a wide front because we thought that we would be met with flowers like in the Crimea. Perhaps it would have been so in 2014, but in 8 years a lot has changed in Ukraine and, above all, in the minds of people. This suggests that we do not have normal analytical centers for the development of military-political decisions that are able to adequately analyze the state of society and state structures. Starting the NWO, Putin was probably sure that everything would take him time, as with Georgia. Do we really not have smart, thinking, capable of analyzing people left in the leadership of the country?
    1. Igor Offline Igor
      Igor (Vladimirovich) 11 November 2022 00: 23
      +4
      Not left. There weren’t any left in the decision-making offices. If it were left, then they wouldn’t be trampled on the same rake. Or if they were enemies, then the smart ones would have long ago figured out and destroyed them.
      1. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 11 November 2022 08: 01
        +2
        You do not know who and whom should calculate? All this is nonsense. Money matters to them!
    2. Alik Honey Offline Alik Honey
      Alik Honey (Alik Honey) 11 November 2022 15: 38
      +3
      ...Are there really no smart, thinking, capable of analyzing people left in our country's leadership?

      It depends on what intellectual level to compare. If it’s with the level of the USSR, then no, if it’s with the level of modern managers, that is, of course, how much Putin has gathered around him, it’s already dazzling. Understanding this, probably, Putin, in his words, collects information from several sources (which, by the way, was done in smart times), only there are the same managers. Therefore, Putin also listens to the instructions of the LGBT Party Committee and tries to deduce at least some average information. And there is no time left for business in the Russian Federation. Therefore, we have what we have.
  26. Demonlivi Offline Demonlivi
    Demonlivi (Dima) 11 November 2022 01: 00
    +2
    The Americans wrote this script in 2008!;) but they don't have the brains to write their own! So brother kills brother, for the amusement of the enemy!
  27. Demonlivi Offline Demonlivi
    Demonlivi (Dima) 11 November 2022 01: 07
    +3
    If Zelensky comes to Kherson to take a picture! And our rocket-cosmetic troops will not respond! Woe to us and shame! Serdyukov and Ragozin have done their job!
  28. Foe Pshekov Offline Foe Pshekov
    Foe Pshekov (Arkady) 11 November 2022 03: 29
    +1
    Spanish shame ...
  29. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 11 November 2022 08: 29
    0
    Quote: isofat
    Glory, thanks, but not everyone agrees with your long-drawn conclusions, you do not indicate the date of their appearance.
    How long ago Slava did you draw your conclusions?

    My stun was building up gradually, like the damage bar in a video game.
    1. Fourth Offline Fourth
      Fourth (Fourth) 11 November 2022 12: 28
      -3
      Quote from Muscool
      I've already drawn my own conclusions...

      When do you lie, dumbfounded?
  30. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
    Luenkov (Arkady) 11 November 2022 08: 33
    +5
    Is it impossible to gain a foothold at the Kakhovskaya HPP? .. heroism does not fit. Should Belgorod also be handed over?
  31. vicvic Offline vicvic
    vicvic (VicVic) 11 November 2022 08: 36
    +7
    And where is our millionth army?
    Is that all we can?
    The sky is not filled with enemy F15;16;35 and others. Our aviation is not met by Patriot air defense, Abrams and Leopards do not roll towards us, clouds of Tamahawks do not fly to our infrastructure, and much more. And if all this was, what then?
    Hope, only for a vigorous bomb, to use which will is needed?
    1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 11 November 2022 11: 55
      +1
      some cartoons to intimidate the enemy...!
  32. Just a guest Offline Just a guest
    Just a guest (Igor Golubev) 11 November 2022 11: 47
    0
    In my opinion, the trouble with all authors on fuel is that they do not think big.
    Yes. Ukraine is more militarized and more nazified. But at the same time, all of Europe and the United States are being demilitarized. They have long been saying that they have nothing to give to Ukraine. Everything has already been given away. And, if they give more, they themselves will be left without weapons. I assure you. It really is all going according to plan. Only the plan is not just Ukraine. The plan is all of Europe and part of the USA. At least after the end of the NWO, the US will no longer be the center of the world. And Germany won't.
    And Kherson... Well then. It's a shame, of course. But not fatal. But to continue to fight for him, probably, really, it would be fatal. And so - what. During the winter we rivet Daggers with Zircons. Let's bang in the spring. Moreover, now there are no civilians there, and the Ukronazis will not be able to hide behind their backs. You can also carry out carpet bombing. Then we will restore. After the Second World War, they restored it. And without the help of the United States cost. The money received from the same EU is enough. But it will be necessary - Poland will be responsible for the supply of weapons to Ukraine, the Balts - for transit to Kaliningrad, the Britons - for the Nord Streams. And all together for every monument demolished or desecrated by swine-fascists and not even their tails - henchmen.
    1. Igor Offline Igor
      Igor (Vladimirovich) 11 November 2022 12: 12
      +2
      Isn’t it funny to you? Is it Poland, which is going to increase its army by 2 times and has been doing this since spring, or Germany, which announced the creation of the largest army in Europe, etc. - is it demilitarized like that? It’s more difficult with the military industry, BUT the process is running.
      According to zircons, etc.. The entire experience of 9 months of the NMD clearly demonstrated that WITHOUT securing infantry on the ground, you will not gain anything and rocket attacks alone are NOT enough.
      It was a shame - this is when the cruiser Moscow was sunk or the sinking of Zmeiny Island. And to squander the land like that and substitute people is already from another area.
  33. Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 11 November 2022 12: 15
    -7
    A group of Russian generals opposed Putin
    • 4.10.2022, 13:40
    The head of the Kremlin is required to withdraw troops from Ukraine.
    The so-called Fronde has appeared in the General Staff of the Army of the Russian Federation - a group of generals who are constantly trying to explain to President Vladimir Putin that it is necessary to withdraw troops from Ukrainian territory.
    Some generals are trying to convey to the Russian leader that it is necessary to keep at least part of the troops in a combat-ready state, otherwise the Russian Federation will be left with conscripts and without equipment, said military expert, reserve colonel Oleg Zhdanov.
    “In my opinion, the so-called “front” has already formed in the General Staff of the Russian Federation, that is, a group of generals who are constantly trying to convey to Putin that it is necessary to withdraw troops, it is necessary to keep at least some part of the army in a combat-ready state, you can’t kill everyone and immediately…” he shared.

    https://charter97.org/ru/news/2022/10/4/518461/
    1. Igor Offline Igor
      Igor (Vladimirovich) 11 November 2022 12: 26
      0
      why don’t you immediately refer to the State Department or to the wall of the fence with a bunch of different thoughts about life?
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 November 2022 04: 01
      0
      Jstas, Couldn't come up with a more idiotic comment?
  34. obar64 Offline obar64
    obar64 (Oleg Barchev) 11 November 2022 13: 39
    -1
    For especially militant couch experts, maybe you yourself, with a machine gun in your hands, will demonstrate the miracles of heroism and repeat the feat of our WWII soldiers in the Battle of Stalingrad. Let me just remind you the aspect ratio in November 1942 - the USSR - personnel -1 soldiers; Germany - 120 soldiers. Do you want epic battles with hundreds of thousands of our dead people, or think of yourself as strategists and think that this foothold on the right bank of the Dnieper is vital for us. I think most normal people do not need huge losses, and the value of this bridgehead is great only in the case of a prepared offensive operation to liberate the Nikolaev and Odessa regions with access to the borders of Transnistria.
    1. Igor Offline Igor
      Igor (Vladimirovich) 12 November 2022 00: 36
      +1
      well, yes, you and people like you would be given free rein, so you would find an excuse for anything, even if you again surrendered Moscow and St. Petersburg out of the blue by agreement
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 November 2022 04: 04
        0
        Irop, aren't you tired of this stupid word - an agreement?
  35. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 11 November 2022 13: 50
    +5
    They really criticize supposedly couch experts, those who are far from the ZBD. But after all, it’s clear to any cook that NATO weapons should not be supplied, you need to destroy all the ways of transporting them. Well, it’s not clear. .Only a few airfields. Only one seaport... Destroy the presidential administration, the Ministry of Defense, the Central Bank, the Rada, TV, military registration and enlistment offices in large cities ..... and other leadership. Well, there will be no one to lead and give allowances. The warriors themselves will scatter without food, water and money .... ....
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 11 November 2022 17: 39
      -1
      "The big is seen from afar" The 9th month of the NWO has begun, now it can be determined that from the very beginning it was planned as a "beating of babies", that is, patriots of Russia and Ukraine. Who benefits from such bloodletting for the patriots of Russia, only the ruling structures in conjunction with the oligarchs - thieves, as an irreconcilable threat. If before the GDP, the oligarchs robbed the national treasures of the Russian Federation individually and not systematically (seven-bankers and others), now they have come to power with the GDP, they systematically rob under the guise of state power and divide the funds received in a corrupt manner, they take them to the stash, which are not intended for the people, (they are called insurance fronts that are not used for their intended purpose). In such a scenario, a revolutionary situation is inevitable, and the NWO has aggravated relations.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 November 2022 04: 07
        0
        Vladimir, will you go under the bullets for the sake of the revolution?
    2. Alex Smirnov Offline Alex Smirnov
      Alex Smirnov 13 November 2022 22: 17
      0
      Quote: Igor Viktorovich Berdin
      They really criticize supposedly couch experts, those who are far from the ZBD. But after all, it’s clear to any cook that NATO weapons should not be supplied, you need to destroy all the ways of transporting them. Well, it’s not clear. .Only a few airfields. Only one seaport... Destroy the presidential administration, the Ministry of Defense, the Central Bank, the Rada, TV, military registration and enlistment offices in large cities ..... and other leadership. Well, there will be no one to lead and give allowances. The warriors themselves will scatter without food, water and money .... ....

      This is the biggest mystery of the NWO. How many deaths and defeats could have been avoided if we had acted like this from the very beginning.
    3. Just a guest Offline Just a guest
      Just a guest (Igor Golubev) 27 November 2022 09: 08
      0
      Railways cannot be destroyed - a howl will immediately rise that these are humanitarian corridors and escape routes for refugees.
      Airfields? So, like, and so no one flies over Ukraine.
      Sea port? Are you talking about Odessa? So grain goes through it, ammonia, and, most importantly, gas. The world community is also on the rise, that we have left hungry kids in Africa.
      What else is there? Happy TV? So there are peaceful people with whom we are not at war. Here are the military registration and enlistment offices with the Moscow Region - yes. Perhaps this is a legitimate goal. But they are also located among residential areas.
  36. Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 11 November 2022 19: 08
    +1
    The last "regrouping"? - Chinese ....
  37. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 12 November 2022 08: 21
    +1
    The surrender of Kherson is a 100% deal between the Kremlin and the West. All the negativity was transferred to Surovikin, that is, this decision was theatrically put into his mouth. The fact that Russia could not protect the abandoned territories is complete nonsense.
  38. Petr Sladek Offline Petr Sladek
    Petr Sladek (Petr Sladek) 12 November 2022 08: 21
    +1
    Je smutné, že v diskuzi jsou i názory které připoustějí použití jaderných zbraní pro zvrácení vývoje bojů, pro "záchranu" Ruska. Takové řešení nemá vítěze a všichni se sejdeme v ohnivé peci. A přitom má lidstvo tolik jiných možností, spolupráci, respekt, přátelství. Ale svou šanci neumíme využít, což je vidět na stavu planety. Je čas se spojit a zachranit co se dá. Podpořit sílu tvoření, ne zmaru a ničení.
    1. Fourth Offline Fourth
      Fourth (Fourth) 12 November 2022 11: 24
      0
      Quote from: Petr Sladek
      Je čas se spojit a zachranit co se dá. Podpořit sílu tvoření, ne zmaru a ničení.

      Abyste mohli realizovat to, o čem píšete, potřebujete řádně organizovaná a nezávislá media.
  39. valeriy chernenko (valeriy chernenko) 12 November 2022 10: 08
    +1
    worst of all is a bunch of liars pipa Podoliaki who inspire false illusions.
  40. Jstas Offline Jstas
    Jstas (jstas) 12 November 2022 10: 19
    0
    Lord! Don't you find that the NWO repeats the Iraqi-Kuwaiti war one to one?
    And who won from that war and how did it end?
  41. Herman 4223 Offline Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 (Alexander) 12 November 2022 20: 47
    +1
    Well, what is the reason for leaving Kherson? We just clearly don’t see and don’t know something, we see the tip of the iceberg in what is happening. A grandiose battle was brewing from which we evaded for some reason, and the reason is clearly not that there was a possibility of losing, but something more significant.
  42. pentwer Offline pentwer
    pentwer (Bakhtiyar) 13 November 2022 01: 10
    0
    There is no faith in the current leader of the country. Without changing anyone and without punishing for either mistakes or worse, it is impossible to improve the situation on the fronts. But apparently the true goals of this NWO are not clear to the people
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 November 2022 04: 13
      0
      Pentuer, there is a people who don’t need to explain anything, they themselves understand everything. And there is a people who don’t understand what they don’t explain because they don’t want to understand anything. You apparently did not understand the true goals, but you are not a people!