Why Russia no longer claims to be the third world pole of power


On October 22, 2022, the XNUMXth Congress of the Communist Party of China took place on several very important occasions. Xi Jinping was re-elected for a third term, and also pointedly "kicked" the previous CPC Secretary General Hu Jintao out of the hall, which marked the defeat of the liberal pro-Western opposition. In addition to this presentation, Xi Jinping's policy statement was made at the congress on building a bipolar world, the poles of which are understood to be the United States and China. And what about Russia?


It should be noted that back in 1997, the Russian Federation and China signed a joint declaration “on a multipolar world and the formation of a new world order”, which was the basis for building relations between our countries. There were the following statements:

The parties, in the spirit of partnership, will make efforts to promote the development of a multipolar world and the establishment of a new international order.

And over the past quarter century, China has done everything possible to become a new pole of power, building powerful armed forces, naval forces, and if not the first, then at least the second the economy in the world, and not virtual, but industrial. The energy of the Russian military-political leadership at that time was spent, alas, in a somewhat different direction. Instead of reindustrialization, emphasis was placed on building an export-raw material model. Endless pipelines stretched in all directions. The armed forces were "optimized" in the image and likeness of NATO, but not in essence. We have fully reaped the fruits of these “reforms” in 2022.

It is generally accepted that "Putin's ultimatum" on the return of the NATO bloc to the borders of 1997, the recognition of the DPR and LPR and the subsequent launch of a special military operation in Ukraine are the embodiment of the struggle of the Russian ruling "elite" for the country's worthy place in the new multipolar world as one of the new poles. But is it?

Recall that on the topic of criteria for the victory or defeat of Russia in the Third World War, which has actually already begun, we reasoned previously. Then we established that we can talk about victory if the following conditions are met:

At first, Ukraine must be completely liberated from the power of the Nazis, who are puppets of the Anglo-Saxons.

Secondly, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus should unite into a real, not a virtual Union State, which will expand further, absorbing the entire post-Soviet space, and maybe even go further. Creating our own domestic market with a capacity of at least 400, and preferably 500 million consumers and the transition to autarky is the only way for our countries to survive in the face of "crippling" Western sanctions. There is simply no other way to defeat the collective West, except for the creation of the "USSR-2". Anyone who claims the opposite is either delusional due to his incompetence, or deliberately lying.

Thirdly, this "USSR-2", turning into a real third pole of power, will have to push back the borders of the NATO bloc to the state in which they were in 1997.

Dot. There are no other alternatives for us. All other paths lead either to the rapid collapse of the Russian Federation into dozens of warring quasi-states through the Maidan, or to the slow fading of the country under sectoral economic sanctions, which our “effective managers” are basically unable to cope with. And what do we actually see?

Familiarization with Putin's "Valdai speech", which his press secretary Peskov described as "historic", only made him shrug his shoulders in bewilderment and shake his head sadly.

First of all, once again, the moral authorities of President Putin were extremely unpleasantly surprised. Following the infamous philosopher Ilyin, about whose work and aspects of his biography we told earlier, Vladimir Vladimirovich undertook to promote and quote Solzhenitsyn:

I will quote from the famous Harvard speech of Alexander Isaevich Solzhenitsyn. Back in 1978, he noted that the West is characterized by a “continuous blindness of superiority” - this is still happening, which “supports the notion that all vast areas on our planet should develop and develop to the current Western systems ...” 1978. Nothing has changed.

Note that this is Alexander Isaevich, whom Putin quotes, in his anti-Soviet libel called "The Gulag Archipelago" was the first to glorify the army of traitors General Vlasov, who allegedly liberated Prague from the Germans:

By the end of April, Vlasov had gathered his two and a half divisions near Prague. It was then learned that the SS General Steiner was preparing to destroy the Czech capital in its entirety and not give it up. And Vlasov ordered his divisions to go over to the side of the rebel Czechs. And all the resentment, bitterness, anger that the forced Russian breasts accumulated on the Germans during these cruel and stupid three years, they now released in an attack on the Germans: from an unexpected side, they kicked them out of Prague (whether all the Czechs figured out later, [which] Russians saved them city? Our history is distorted and they say that Prague was saved by Soviet troops, although they could not have been in time).

And this, so to speak, “work” is forced to be read in Russian schools, since it was officially introduced into the mandatory minimum content of the main educational programs in Russian literature of the twentieth century. And then, for some reason, we wonder where ideological nationalists from Russia are fighting as part of the Ukrainian Nazi regiment "Azov" (recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation).

But let's get back to the "historical speech", which everyone will take apart into quotes and study. Here is one quote:

Now this historical period of undivided dominance of the West in world affairs is coming to an end, the unipolar world is becoming a thing of the past. We are standing at a historic milestone, ahead of what is probably the most dangerous, unpredictable and at the same time important decade since the end of World War II. The West is not able to single-handedly manage humanity, but is desperately trying to do it, and most of the peoples of the world no longer want to put up with it. This is the main contradiction of the new era. To use the words of a classic, the situation is revolutionary to a certain extent: the upper classes cannot, and the lower classes do not want to live like this already, to use the words of a classic.

And here is another one in the same text:

What else would you like to add? Russia does not challenge the elites of the West - Russia simply defends its right to exist and develop freely. At the same time, we ourselves are not going to become some kind of new hegemon. Russia does not propose to replace unipolarity with bipolarity, tripolarity, and so on, the dominance of the West with the dominance of the East, North or South. This would inevitably lead to a new impasse.

Is there some kind of internal contradiction here within the framework of a single text, as well as a fundamental contradiction with the previously announced concept of building a multipolar world with Russia as one of the poles? If Vladimir Putin himself decided for all Russians that we do not need this and that we do not challenge the West, is it any wonder that in China the Russian Federation has already been written off and is not seriously considered as a global player? Vaughn, Turkey and the European Union continued to export Ukrainian grain from Odessa, simply putting the Kremlin before the fact, notifying them of their decision.

Unpleasant? Naturally!
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  1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 November 2022 11: 10
    +1
    What kind of center of power can Russia be, which itself is a weak-willed instrument of the evil will of the Anglo-Saxons, kindling together with Ukraine the fire of their new world war, in which it is also ordered to burn. It is time for China to think - what will he do, one on one, with the Beast that will appear on two continents, the beast that has appropriated the industrial power of Europe and the natural resources of Russia. This is where Russia has been leading Russia for 30 years, subordinated to the will of the Anglo-Saxons - Satanists of the world
  2. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 2 November 2022 11: 25
    +10
    We have no strength to claim anything, 2022 has finally confirmed this. And in such a situation, you need to act smarter, take the experience of other countries (Iran, S. Korea), other eras (USSR in the 30s) - accumulate strength, do not go where you don’t need to, develop the army and navy.
    Perhaps this is also an ideologeme from the CIA and Western provocateurs: "Russia must defeat Ukraine or disintegrate." Maybe it’s more important for us to sort it out inside our country to begin with?
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 November 2022 11: 47
      +12
      do not climb where it is not necessary, develop the army and navy

      Will not work. The war has already begun - you need to defend yourself. Another thing is that the war has two outcomes.
      If we want to live, we will have to win not Ukraine, not Europeans, but the Anglo-Saxons, forcing them to stop this whole "machine".
      This can only be done by threatening them with mutual destruction, but even for this we must first cease being their instrument and free ourselves from dependence - i.e. competently change leadership and tie the hands of an organized "fifth column".
      The only way
      1. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
        Vladimir80 2 November 2022 14: 27
        +2
        Even Stalin failed to fully overcome the "fifth column". And what do the majority of our people really want, we know?
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 November 2022 14: 53
          +8
          And what do the majority of our people really want, we know?

          Our defeat will lead to the transformation of the country into a death camp. This is serious.
          The Sonderkommando of Ukraine will do the dirty work. The second time the Anglo-Saxons will not allow us to rise - they will destroy the "Russian question" in the bud, all the time with an unnecessary population. The same will happen to immigrants from Russia throughout the Western world. There will be a real hunt. As part of the reformatting of the world by the Anglo-Saxons, the unthinkable will become possible. Is this what most people want?
          Russia is protecting us all, as long as it, as a country, as a culture, as an option for the future, still stands behind our backs, wherever we are.
          1. Vladimir80 Offline Vladimir80
            Vladimir80 2 November 2022 15: 08
            +2
            I don't think. Your version does not take into account the fact that when crests actually cross our borders and war on the territory of Russia, part of the people will wake up (!). America is acting more cunningly - it manages the war in such a way that the majority of the population does not notice the real war around. It is easier to destroy us by arranging another revolution, or simply by "hooking" us on our values ​​(dollar, golden calf, comfort). Look at what is happening around when you ride the subway - people watch Western TV shows on smartphones, discuss vacations in the NATO country, young people listen to Western music or Russian music copied from the West.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 2 November 2022 16: 54
              +8
              See what's going on around you if you're on the subway...

              You seem to mean Moscow? So this is not Russia ...
            2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
              Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 November 2022 22: 59
              +3
              Quote Vladimir80
              America is acting more cunningly - it manages the war in such a way that the majority of the population does not notice the real war around. It is easier to destroy us by arranging another revolution, or simply by "hooking" us on our values ​​(dollar, golden calf, comfort).

              I understand, Vladimir, that this option (Bavarian beer, without sovereignty) suits you better, but they don’t need it. Everything they needed with his help already received.
              There is no need for them to coddle with us further - they need Europe as an industrial appendage and our resources without a population, and all this is already TOMORROW
        2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 2 November 2022 23: 12
          +8
          Failures in the NWO expose the fundamental problems of the state, the problems are too deep, without the solution of which a terrible fate awaits Russia. Therefore, it is urgent to decide, to wrest out the rottenness that controls Russia today - the liberal stratum at the top of power, ruining Russia and working for enemies. Conclusion: more than 3 trillion US dollars were plundered and withdrawn under the patronage of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, abroad, when the development of the state was stalled without loans, how to call it, only the fifth column in power of the Russian Federation. And so on in all directions. Time to cleanse ourselves of the "Gaidar-Chubais" heritage ..
        3. Rinat Offline Rinat
          Rinat (Rinat) 4 November 2022 07: 14
          0
          Quote: Vladimir80
          And what do the majority of our people really want, we know?

          The majority wants to live in a strong state, with a strong national economy. With a fair system of distribution of public goods. Work less, earn more.
    2. decor Offline decor
      decor 2 November 2022 17: 45
      +2
      From the beginning to win, and then to understand and very carefully. Otherwise, how.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 November 2022 20: 07
        +7
        In order to live and win, you will have to understand "before". Otherwise, we won't win. The country will perish and we along with it. The existing government is handing over the country to the enemy - it climbs into the eyes, it is stupid to turn away from this and turn off your head. This is like death.
        On the contrary, we need to turn it on, look and see, think, find a solution how to save Russia and do it, achieving success in reality. That's the only way we'll win
      2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 2 November 2022 20: 21
        0
        With whom to win, with Putin. And he wants to win.
    3. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
      vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 2 November 2022 21: 37
      0
      In the Russian Federation, the comprador bourgeoisie is in power, for it Russia - a US colony is the best solution.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 November 2022 11: 35
    +8
    And what can be said?
    Home - economy and personnel.
    And they - "as always"

    What a breakthrough the same shots can make. what led Russia to the role of a gas station? None.
    The officials themselves admitted that import substitution failed. The export of money and qualified personnel from Russia is going strong, negative selection in power is flourishing. But yachts, palaces, fondies and children of the elite remained abroad, except for the most odious ones. - according to recent media reports.

    What is the "status of the third world pole of power" here?
    And no one pays much attention to speeches that have no analogues in the world, as well as to broken promises. How many were there and where are they now?
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 2 November 2022 17: 26
      -9
      Sergey Latyshev, Russia has never been a gas station. laughing
  4. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 2 November 2022 12: 19
    -2
    Vaughn, Turkey and the European Union continued to export Ukrainian grain from Odessa, simply putting the Kremlin before the fact, notifying them of their decision.

    Where does such information come from? Today there is no movement of ships with grain. For tomorrow, the Turks "have hope" that ships under the Turkish flag will export grain. After the conversation between Shoigu and the Turkish Defense Ministry. Nothing about the EU yet.
    On October 31, after the presumptuous statements of Ukraine, the EU, the UN, and Turkey, two tugboats towing a barge with grain were fired upon. The tugs started a fire, two sailors died, one went missing. It was a good signal. Nobody touches the courts. But knocking out ALL tugboats is not a problem at all. And the whole saga with grain will end, shipment will become impossible.
    From Solzhenitsyn, Putin took the quote that was in the subject. Meaning: even Solzhenitsyn back in 1978. talked about the excessive arrogance of the West. Everything is logical and normal.

    Secondly, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus should unite into a real, not a virtual Union State, which will expand further, absorbing the entire post-Soviet space, and maybe even go further.

    But we didn’t have enough freeloaders to plant on our necks again. The domestic market will be in the currency zone of Russia. And she's made herself very clear. Iran, Arabs, Turkey, post-Soviet space.

    Thirdly, this "USSR-2", having turned into a real third pole of power, will have to push back the borders of the NATO bloc to the state in which they were in 1997.

    The USSR is not needed. NATO in its present form will itself cease to exist.
    C's words are also misunderstood.

    In addition to this presentation, Xi Jinping's policy statement was made at the congress on building a bipolar world, the poles of which are understood to be the United States and China.

    Did Xi tell you what he means? We are talking about the fact that right now there is a confrontation "the West against all." Moreover, the West is already in the minority and is getting weaker.
    Then the world will be divided into military-economic zones. USA, Russia, China, India, apparently someone from Latin America.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 November 2022 13: 07
      +3
      You are wrong, boriz, choosing the exclusively economic field for the international struggle, and limiting yourself to this. When it cannot bring them victory, the Anglo-Saxons freely move on their own, and transfer the whole world to another field - resolving issues by military force. The economy is retreating to the rear. This is exactly what is happening now around Russia, which the Anglo-Saxons made 30 years ago their main tool and intermediate prize on the way of inciting war in Europe and its absorption. For the sake of advancing to world domination, they are ready to suffer economic turmoil and FORCE others to do it the way they already did it in World War II
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 2 November 2022 13: 23
        0
        What makes you think that I deny the military component? It's just that the West is now in no shape to use military pressure on Russia on its own. In addition, the West is not united at all. The United States and the World Bank are deliberately lowering Europe, and they have already understood this there. There are too many different groups with different interests in the West.
        As for the economic troubles in the United States, they will provoke them themselves. Prominent economists have been calling for this since last year. Now it has reached the statements of Klistalina Georgieva and the specific actions of the FRS. Each rate increase is a step towards the abyss.
        It's just that the collapse of the stock exchanges and the economy in general should be blamed on someone. Looks like it will be Biden. The rest of the options that were played this year (as in the past) did not pass.
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 3 November 2022 06: 05
          +2
          It's just that the West is now in no shape to use military pressure on Russia on its own.

          The vector of efforts is indicated very clearly by their purposeful actions. They cannot hide them, to their deep regret. However, everything else, in order to divert suspicions and confuse people like you, they will certainly do. This is a classic of the genre. If there are contradictions in the picture we see, they are the result of disguise and disinformation. From this it is necessary to proceed
  5. Carmela Offline Carmela
    Carmela (Carmela) 2 November 2022 13: 12
    +2
    Xi Jinping's policy statement on building a bipolar world, under whose poles are implied USA and China

    Sergey, why did you decide that this is so? The second pole could be China and Russia together, back to back. Find a quote from Xi's speech.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 2 November 2022 16: 39
      0
      Xi was not referring to the US and China, but to the liberal elites and everyone else. Here are the two poles for today. Conservatives and some US Democrats are also included in the "everyone else" category. This follows, at least, from Obama's statement about "limiting" aid to Ukraine. As well as letters from Democratic congressmen, which they withdrew under pressure from the party, but it was there, everyone read it. And it is clear that it reflects the point of view of not only the authors of the letter. Dem exit. parts of Tulsi Gabbard, and much more.
      And after the implementation of the consensus of the elites (which with a high degree of probability has already been reached), there will be no tough global confrontation. Excluding minor excesses within the zones of influence and "free hunting" zones.
    2. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 2 November 2022 16: 41
      +7
      The second pole could be China and Russia together

      Will not. No way. As fellow travelers at a certain point in history, yes. With the condition of coincidence of interests. No more...

  6. Griffith Offline Griffith
    Griffith (Oleg) 2 November 2022 13: 24
    -6
    As it turns out, according to the author, everything is simple. But I would not judge because of my ignorance of what is happening, only by Putin's speech in Valdai. And the author would not advise. As they say, if you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans. To begin with, you need to understand that the NWO began, in essence, as an oligarchic war. That is why there was such a confusion at the front. And only recently the NWO has begun to transform into something else. What exactly it will be, I think no one knows yet. But my personal opinion is that this will eventually turn into a religious war. Read the Bible and you will understand. First you need to understand that our world was originally built on a lie. Read the official definition of a person. We are described as a biological species and that's it. But it's not. Place newborns in nature. They will not survive like other baby animals. Only if some pack of animals picks them up. But then a person will not grow out of them. This has already been confirmed many times. Social communication can make us human, when we accumulate experience as we grow, rethink it and apply this knowledge in practice. But there is one thing here. This rethinking should be for the benefit of society in the first place, and through the redistribution of the benefits of society to a specific person. In another case, instead of a person, a devil grows up, which in fact begins to parasitize on society. And according to what is happening now, this is exactly what we are coming to. To the war between people and Satanists. Or for atheists, between creators and parasites.
  7. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 2 November 2022 13: 36
    -5
    Comrade Xi's statement about a bipolar world should be understood as its division into an imperialist and a socialist camp led by the PRC, whose political and economic successes are attracting more and more supporters around the world.
    Vladimir Putin has repeatedly expressed regret about the collapse of the USSR, and the USSR is primarily a social system - class solidarity and the dictatorship of the proletariat under the leadership of the Communist Party.
    Even at the very beginning of his career, V.V. Putin spoke about the impossibility of restoring the USSR in its former form and put forward the idea of ​​saving the people of A.I. Solzhenitsyn as his main task, leaving the question of the capitalist or socialist path of development of the Russian Federation to the discretion of future generations.
    Without breaking the legacy inherited from Yeltsin to the ground, throughout the entire period, V.V. Putin gradually rebuilt the economy and, in fact, is pursuing the Leninsk New Economic Policy, which consists in state regulation of entrepreneurship, lending, taxation, pricing, subordination of big capital to the interests of the state under the guise of private state partnership and social responsibility of business.
    At a fleeting meeting with Zyuganov, an episode of which was shown on TV, he spoke about the difficulty of combining public interests with the interests of monopoly associations. The United Russia party created by V.V. Putin cannot and will never become an equivalent alternative to the Communist Party, and therefore become the basis for the restructuring of the social system in the Russian Federation with all possible consequences from this.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 November 2022 13: 55
      +6
      Without breaking to the ground the legacy inherited from Yeltsin

      That is, without breaking to the ground the Yeltsin regime subordinate to the Anglo-Saxons, which was actually their puppet, the same as Zelensky is now in Ukraine.
      I do not agree that any damage has been done to submission. Based on the results, this is not clear.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 November 2022 14: 20
        +11
        Results:
        - the opportunity to enter into a deadly war for us with NATO in Ukraine, which will happen as a result of any sabotage at nuclear power plants
        - transfer to the enemy of most of the foreign exchange reserves placed with him
        - sending him payments on the public debt, fulfilling all contracts and deliveries to the Anglo-Saxons against the backdrop of devastating sanctions against us
        - climbing into a trap in Ukraine and successfully surrendering our positions in it
        - the reduction of the army and its officer corps, the rejection of its traditional structure, on which the previously accumulated array of operational and strategic plans was based, all its experience and victories
        - creating a hot spot in Ukraine by annexing Crimea and mothballing it for several years instead of promptly eliminating the created problem
        - lack of investment in production for 20 years, its degradation and replacement by dependence on the West
        - storage of funds necessary for development in the West in the form of reserves
        - the collapse of science, education and medicine
        - withdrawal of huge sums of money into private property and their transfer to the West
        - creation of a state corrupt system of kickbacks
        - retreat in favor of NATO from all previous geopolitical positions
        - loss of most geopolitical allies
        etc. etc.
    2. go1pushok1 Offline go1pushok1
      go1pushok1 (Ivan) 5 November 2022 04: 38
      0
      China has capitalism
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 6 November 2022 16: 40
        0
        This is with you, and not with China, I don’t know where.
        China has managed to find an effective national model of socialism. Honor and praise to the Chinese comrades. The abstract common model that we and other countries have been struggling with - apparently simply does not exist. Each nation should look for its own, national, convenient option, since each nation has its own characteristics and "national diseases". This is the main road to socialism, common to all
  8. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 2 November 2022 14: 43
    -1
    As usual, Sergey has a sharp article, thanks to the author! Well, the continuation of the grain deal, of course, is a shame ((
    As usual, immediately controversy, I will add a couple of comments:
    1. A large multinational state is difficult to manage, hence the scope for corruption schemes, hence the destiny of all empires is disintegration. But for the transitional war period to the new world, it may be necessary to pool the resources of not even three, but four countries, including Kazakhstan. Quite in Solzhenitsyn's way, by the way))
    2. Our country is still capable of giving the Anglo-Saxons tinsel, although at the same time our leaders will have to use their brains so as not to provoke an exchange of nuclear weapons.
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  10. Denis Z Offline Denis Z
    Denis Z (Denis Z) 2 November 2022 15: 41
    +5
    China sees all this absurdity and concluded that we are basically bluffing. It is obvious that we are not a superpower, then why divide the world into three? Indians also have yaos, like Pakistan and Koreans, and even Israel, but they then claim to be poles
  11. Alex D Online Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 2 November 2022 15: 43
    +2
    When will at least the foreign agent-judge of the Armed Forces Lebedev be fired?
    The Americans trained more than 600 foreign agents in Russia. And I am more than sure that it was agreed at the highest level. Just think about it - 600 thousand foreign agents have been trained and they work as officials in our country. And what kind of war with the West are we talking about? It is the West that is fighting us with our own hands, using hybrid information technologies.
    Here again, they do not want to lead the space station ROSS. Why broadcast it when they have an American station?
  12. Dingo Offline Dingo
    Dingo (Victor) 2 November 2022 16: 10
    +4
    Vaughn, Turkey and the European Union continued to export Ukrainian grain from Odessa, simply putting the Kremlin before the fact, notifying them of their decision.

    Regarding this obscene in form and duplicitous in content, the so-called. "grain deal". I dare to "please" you all - Russia, or rather, the political leadership that controls this territory, has returned to this deal.

    Russia has resumed participation in a grain deal that guarantees the export of agricultural products from Ukraine, the Russian Defense Ministry said. The agency reported that it had received written guarantees from Kyiv not to use the humanitarian corridor for military purposes.

    https://www.forbes.ru/biznes/480609-rossia-vozobnovila-ucastie-v-zernovoj-sdelke-s-ukrainoj-i-turciej
  13. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 2 November 2022 17: 29
    +4
    There is simply no other way to defeat the collective West, except for the creation of the "USSR-2".


    Instead of reindustrialization, emphasis was placed on building an export-raw material model. Endless pipelines stretched in all directions. The armed forces were "optimized" in the image and likeness of NATO, but not in essence. We have fully reaped the fruits of these “reforms” in 2022.

    Dear Sergey overly idealizes the USSR and just as overly denigrates the modern Russian Federation.
    Even if we talk about the "fruits of reforms" - the modern Russian Federation, for the 9th month of the NWO and the most severe sanctions - it still does fine without coupons and specials. rations, shops are full, inflation is comparable to inflation in the past and inflation in the EU.
    In the regions of the RSFSR and at the peak of prosperous years, at the end of the 197s, in a number of regions they were forced to introduce coupons for a miserable 500 grams of meat and 300 grams of butter per month. And this is with such a granary as Ukraine as part of the USSR, plus up to 20 million tons of grain imports from NATO countries.

    Russia, Ukraine and Belarus should unite into a real, not a virtual Union State, which will expand further, absorbing the entire post-Soviet space, and maybe even go further. Creation of our own domestic market with a capacity of at least 400, and preferably 500 million consumers

    And again I will be a bore - the accession of Belarus and Ukraine will not lead to an increase in the population to 400 and 500 million.
    to our ~150 it is +10 and +20,
    and Ukrainian +20 is very, very disloyal to everything Russian.

    Quote: Alexey Davydov
    If we want to live, we will have to win not Ukraine, not Europeans, but Anglo-Saxons

    This is a false dilemma.
    We may well live without defeating them.
    Only their country must be equipped in such a way that wholesale and retail would not run out of it.
    Well, maintain strategic nuclear forces at an adequate level, yes ....
    1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
      Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 2 November 2022 18: 42
      +3
      With such leadership, it’s not only to “equip the country”, but at least to avoid its collapse.
    2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 November 2022 20: 19
      +3
      We can very well live without defeating them .... Well, maintain the strategic nuclear forces at an adequate level

      Our leadership and strategic nuclear forces have been in their hands since 1991. They are going to kill us. Physically. In the war and in the death camps. To prevent this from happening, you HAVE to win, and first at home. Or do you propose to give this issue to them at their mercy?
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 3 November 2022 09: 59
        0
        Quote: Alexey Davydov
        Our leadership and strategic nuclear forces have been in their hands since 1991.

        It would be in their hands - they would celebrate the 10th anniversary of the nuclear-free status this year.
        Already 8.8.8 does not fit into the thesis "our leadership is in their hands", not to mention everything else.

        Quote: Spiritual
        With such leadership, it’s not only to “equip the country”, but at least to avoid its collapse

        Yes, for centuries it has not been customary for us to admit mistakes and resign so that another person can correct / minimize mistakes.
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 3 November 2022 11: 05
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          It would be in their hands - they would celebrate the 10th anniversary of the nuclear-free status this year.

          Write without thinking. Why do they need this, if they already control Putin, and therefore his suitcase? Why would they prematurely provoke popular protests?
          There may be reasons for the need to maintain this visibility for other players - contenders for our resources. For China for example. While they themselves are not ready, the Anglo-Saxons do not need other people's progress in the world
          1. Nelton Offline Nelton
            Nelton (Oleg) 3 November 2022 17: 21
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            Quote: Alexey Davydov
            Why do they need this if they already control Putin

            I won't even ask how they control it.
            (the answer is obvious - no way, because there are no means of control)

            But Putin himself may lose control over nuclear weapons, and it may end up in the hands of the conditional General Radek (who remembers this film).
            For the United States, it would be much calmer if the Russian Federation gradually disposed of the old one, and in no case produced new nuclear weapons and delivery systems.
            However, it produces...
          2. go1pushok1 Offline go1pushok1
            go1pushok1 (Ivan) 5 November 2022 04: 32
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            What is a people? don't invent. the people never decided anything, and in all uprisings, the maximum was always mutually exterminating. It is like a flock of sheep, where the shepherd points, he will go there. Elites decide in favor of their country - nationally oriented. In favor of someone else - bought compradors. Therefore, the Poles were defeated in 1612, that Prince Pozharsky appeared. And before that, a maximum of Cossack thieves wandered around.
    3. go1pushok1 Offline go1pushok1
      go1pushok1 (Ivan) 5 November 2022 04: 38
      +1
      The situation with Ukraine and Belarus is important not so much in demographic and economic terms, although in terms of resources this is also the case. The first is the spiritual plane, the cradle of our civilization. The second is political. These are the Eastern Slavs, they easily assimilate with us, they will give impetus to the state-forming ethnic group. Ideology, hostility is bullshit. What is called, you need to turn on the TV box with other programs, and that's all. All this propaganda is rubbish. The population in the bulk is amorphous, whatever the power may be. Well, there are, of course, completely repulsed or intimidated - but they are few and they are easily calculated. Moreover, many are afraid of us, as we act indecisively.
  14. Sancym Offline Sancym
    Sancym (Alexander ) 2 November 2022 18: 09
    -4
    Marzhetsky, why are you still not in the Council of Ministers? You sum up and draw conclusions at his level!
  15. Alexander Ponamarev (Alexander Ponamarev) 2 November 2022 18: 34
    +1
    It is not for nothing that the people say: It is necessary to beat the bone (instigator), otherwise everything is in vain, as long as the elite rules in the country, we will not be able to live humanly
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 2 November 2022 20: 26
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      Sasha, to live like a human being, these can be understood as a lot of things. Why do you want to destroy the country, what prevents you from being a man?
    2. go1pushok1 Offline go1pushok1
      go1pushok1 (Ivan) 5 November 2022 04: 29
      +1
      don't you live right now? Are you homeless in a TV box? Or did they live in palaces and yachts under the USSR?
  16. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 2 November 2022 18: 39
    +1
    Putin is a product of the color revolution in Russia in 91. And Solzhenitsyn is his confessor
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 2 November 2022 19: 58
      -1
      Vasya, products of the color revolution are unlikely to agree with you, but there are many of them. lol
  17. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 2 November 2022 20: 02
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    Unpleasant? Naturally!

    That is the way it is!

    Russia, Ukraine and Belarus should unite into a real, not a virtual Union State, which will expand further, absorbing the entire post-Soviet space, and maybe even go further

    The article itself once again confirms that in the current situation this is impossible, alas ...
  18. Art Pilot Online Art Pilot
    Art Pilot (pilot) 2 November 2022 20: 53
    -3
    Xi Jinping personally told the author who China means by the second pole?
    But what if China means a whole group of countries by the second pole? Is the concept collapsing?
  19. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
    Dart2027 2 November 2022 21: 40
    +3
    Why go to the front line? Let the Chinese and Americans butt heads, this is how the United States became a superpower - by watching others fight to the death.
  20. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 3 November 2022 00: 59
    +2
    Immediately after the settlement of the conflict with the West (if, of course, this settlement takes place at all), Russia will take a very advantageous position between the United States and China. Each side will try to keep Russia closer to itself, which will ensure that there is no pressure. This will give you time to develop.

    What will happen to the EU is not yet clear, but they are unlikely to want to live in a cold war with Russia. The EU will interact with Russia one way or another. The fact that Russia is now shining on the whole world and seems almost like an evil empire will quickly be forgotten in a year, especially when other conflicts in the world begin to blaze, when serious crises begin in various regions of the world. Amid the news, today's conflict will be forgotten as a petty prank, just as the US invasion of Iraq was forgotten.

    Russia will be able to form an independent pole when it consolidates the countries of the former USSR around itself.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 3 November 2022 03: 06
      -1
      Russia immediately after the settlement of the conflict with the West (if, of course, this settlement takes place at all)

      Russia is an expendable tool in the plans of one part of the West - the Anglo-Saxons against another part of the West - the Europeans. The tool is supposed to be completely used up in the process of solving the problem and appropriate its resources. The task is to weaken Europe with the hands and blood of Russia in order to absorb it by the Anglo-Saxons, turning it into their industrial appendage.
      To call all this a conflict between Russia and the West is Jesuitism. Jesuitism itself is a common feature of the Anglo-Saxons, and in this case this marker refers entirely to you, Gennady, on which I congratulate you
  21. Foe Pshekov Offline Foe Pshekov
    Foe Pshekov (Arkady) 3 November 2022 01: 08
    +7
    I, too, was extremely embarrassed by Putin's Valdai speech. In it, he, as it were, signed in advance that Russia agrees to be on the sidelines, giving way to the West as a leader. Just don't touch us, leave us the opportunity to continue to rob our people and sell resources to the West. That's exactly what it looked like.
    Not defending the interests of the people of Russia to live better than anyone on this planet, not the goal - to destroy the hegemony of the West and its financial and economic system of enslaving everyone else, but a very simple idea. Leave us the opportunity to exist. Only someone will eat black caviar with spoons, and someone will eat bread with onions. No. It is necessary to demolish the Western system. And send our oligarchs to the scrap. Confiscate everything these thieves have stolen. And build a social society with elements of healthy capitalism and socialism. By excluding super-enrichment from such a system and profiting from the natural resources of the country's common heritage.
    1. gene1 Offline gene1
      gene1 (Gennady) 3 November 2022 08: 48
      -5
      Putin is talking about this: do not touch us, we want to take care of our economy - to remove the oligarchs and equalize social security.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 3 November 2022 13: 09
        -1
        Putin asks the enemy about this, and also brings him assurances that we will not allow a nuclear war. Since we cannot speak for them, it means that we are limiting ourselves. We will not threaten them with the use of nuclear weapons first (as was the case in 1962) to force them to retreat. They can calm down about this. Welcome.
        Velkom tu Russia!
  22. Alex D Online Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 3 November 2022 01: 58
    +8
    Let's say "thank you" to the traitors-compradors who for at least 30 years fed the West virtually free of charge with our raw materials, bank interest, and even!!! pension savings. The Russian elites hated no one so much for all 30 years as the population of Russia. In the US, such traitors would be executed. And we have?
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 3 November 2022 20: 25
      +2
      Alex D, but here I completely agree with you. Do you know such a lady - Lyudmila Narusova? Yes, mommy Ksyu, the "bloody lady" ...
      This lady "grazes", and for a long time, in the Federation Council ... For some reason, from the Republic of Tuva, being a Petersburger, since 2016. However, okay. There are so many...
      That's what this so-called "smartyr" thinks and publicly speaks about. "senator":


      This is a selection of screenshots of her posts. (taken freely from the Zen resource).
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 8 November 2022 03: 09
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        How long have I known about her - how much time have I heard about these views of hers. The hatred for the Russian people and Russia is simply pathological.
        I would not be surprised if I saw her in an SS uniform, with a swastika on her sleeve. Her example shows that this is quite possible, and may even have its place with us.
        And after all, he does not leave, but is here, among everything that he hates fiercely. It is like completing a mission. Just wondering if the organizations that protect us (if there are still any) are interested in what she actually does with us, and what do people like her do?
  23. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 3 November 2022 07: 23
    +4
    Sergey is right. Now there is a lot of blah blah blah, but there is no real action. Big changes are needed in the system of command and control of the Armed Forces, in the financial and economic block. It must be understood that without the liberation of the Russian Outskirts to Uzhgorod there will be no existence of Russia itself. We're wasting time, which is bad. Blah blah blah.
  24. DeadPahom Offline DeadPahom
    DeadPahom (Eugene) 3 November 2022 08: 03
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    Xi talked about two camps. Everything else is free interpretation. By itself, China in the form of a sewing workshop cannot be a pole of power.
  25. Alex P Offline Alex P
    Alex P (Alex Putorashkin) 3 November 2022 08: 57
    -2
    Yes, there are a lot of problems in Russia, and the guts are thin for confrontation with the United States and even China, but ... Looking from the side of the world community, Russia is precisely the center of power, because it uses it in Syria, Ukraine, is not afraid of NATO and acts as if "what he wants." China is crying over Taiwan, letting American ships into the strait, which it considers its territory. waters, and does nothing, only chats. In reality, no one in the world is afraid of China militarily, but it is not clear what their armed forces are worth, because there are no conflicts to test them. So this is not a center of power, definitely not for the United States.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 3 November 2022 14: 39
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      Russia is precisely the center of power, because it uses it in Syria, Ukraine, is not afraid of NATO and does, as it were, "what it wants."

      I think that the Anglo-Saxons, who are interested in Russia and Putin as an instrument for weakening Europe, will keep them as much as possible until the time comes for their intended use - to participate in the war with NATO.
      I have long had the feeling that Putin and Russia are playing along in the international arena in the image of a strong leader and a strong power. This tactic is beneficial for the Anglo-Saxons for several reasons:
      - it allows you to maintain Putin's image within his country, despite the damage that he objectively brings to her by his actions, in this way the Anglo-Saxons provide themselves with reliable control over the actions of Russia
      - it is easier for the arms lobby in the USA to knock out the necessary funding
      - the "legend" of aggressive Russia is doing a great job preparing the planned war with it, the military-industrial complex is expanding, the States are becoming stronger
      - while maintaining a focus on Russia, China is not looking for a real effective replacement
      - the image of a strong country and leader perfectly hides their dependence and the role of an instrument in the plans of the Anglo-Saxons. Others are possible
      1. go1pushok1 Offline go1pushok1
        go1pushok1 (Ivan) 5 November 2022 04: 27
        -3
        Well, why so little? Then write down the USSR as a hidden vassal of the United States. But how? Industrialization helped the US out of the Great Depression. Then it was very difficult for Stalin in the Great Patriotic War, who issued the lend-lease for him? And how did they pay him for everything, regardless of losses and mass starvation? As a result, for the 2nd half of the 20th century. The United States has become a superpower, having economically taken away all the former colonies of European dying lions, where the USSR kindly began the anti-colonial struggle. At the same time, the image of a "strong power" is also there, the rhetoric is there, although socialism was economically inefficient, and in fact the United States grew and grew fat, and the USSR grew weak, until it finally collapsed.
  26. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
    Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) 3 November 2022 14: 46
    +1
    Why Russia no longer claims to be the third world pole of power

    And when, after 1991, did you apply ...?
    This is because everything has been plundered, and the economy has long been in the "backyard".
    Thank you for taking the 20th.
    1. go1pushok1 Offline go1pushok1
      go1pushok1 (Ivan) 5 November 2022 04: 24
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      How could they not take it? We have the most territories and resources. In any case, they would take
  27. Rinat Offline Rinat
    Rinat (Rinat) 4 November 2022 07: 39
    -1
    The USSR cannot be restored. Times are different with different experiences, different people with new ideas. It is possible to build only something different from the former USSR, taking into account the previous positive and negative experience.
  28. go1pushok1 Offline go1pushok1
    go1pushok1 (Ivan) 5 November 2022 04: 22
    -3
    Some kind of another nightmare. Forget about the USSR already, it does not exist, it has discredited itself in the historical field. He did not even live 100 years, he collapsed in 73 years. If not for the Victory in the Great Patriotic War, he would have collapsed earlier. Kept on the totalitarian regime of Stalin. The victory gave him a new impetus, but already under Khrushchev, the systemic lag and deficit became clear, and Kosygin's reforms began to be self-supporting. Oil was able to slightly improve the situation under Brezhnev, but the Union was doomed, a colossus with feet of clay, and the arms race finally knocked it down - the Americans acted competently and prudently. Well, it collapsed under the weak Gorbachev, who fell into the trap of democratic propaganda, hoping for an agreement with the West. Instead, the West sawed the Union into pieces and in general ... There are 2 agents double fault. Gorbachev tried to save the Union, but he himself disintegrated it with his indecision. Under him, ethnic uprisings began. And Yeltsin actually designed the collapse. On the other hand, he saved Russia to some extent, because instead of an amorphous Union with an amorphous economy, he pulled the RSFSR out of the perspective of the "Yugoslav scenario". But already in Russia itself, processes of disintegration began, Chechnya, a parade of sovereignties, and the way they conducted "shock therapy" is generally a "song" or a brief instruction on how to destroy a nuclear state and hammer it into the stone age without a single shot.
    Now about what it all rested on. On lies and rot, the mythical ideology of communism, in which, unlike religion, no one even believed. With all due respect to the KGB, they used so much effort to defend a regime that no one wanted. No wonder Putin does not like the USSR, but he is a KGB officer. When this business went into disintegration, the Russian people had nothing. No ideology, no traditions. The Union, together with the "Soviet nation", swallowed everything into the grave with it. It saved that the Russian Orthodox Church was restored and the Russian state-forming people proper had a fulcrum with their own historical and cultural tradition. And on this foundation, Russia somehow, but recovered, strengthened and returned to the status of a world power.
    Now about the restoration of the stillborn USSR. It arose on the ruins of the Russian Empire, whose lands - with the losses of Poland, Finland, the Baltic states, parts of Armenia, Moldova, Western Ukraine, Belarus - were somehow divided absolutely arbitrarily by the Bolsheviks. Later it was possible to return only Western Belarus, Ukraine, even with Lvov from the former Austria-Hungary, Moldova, and the Baltic states. That is, in the end it turned out to be less than the empire was. The empire itself was not assembled with the help of wars, this is only with respect to Poland, the Caucasus and Finland, but by colonization.
    But as we can see, if in Russia there is a striking unity in supporting the NWO, let's say, the restoration of the empire, then in the former Soviet republics only Belarus supported this and actively supports it in society. In addition to Ukraine, with which there is a direct war, the Baltic states are openly hostile, Moldova is split, but a pro-Western regime is in power. The Caucasus drowns either for Ukraine, or is weakly neutral. Georgia sends its own people to fight, Azerbaijan took advantage of the situation to arrange a kipish with Armenia (knife in the back), and also cooperates with Ukraine, Armenia back and forth, accepts the opposition, clings to the Americans, well, it’s clear there. Central Asia, well, with the exception of Kyrgyzstan, which kind of expressed solidarity, is all neutral and benevolent to the Ukrofascists. So how is it to be restored? Large territories, large losses of the most active part of the male population. Because the locals are hostile to the restoration project. Plus, there are our "partners" who will use such a "gift" from the patriots with pleasure to set fire to all borders. Why is this needed? After all, they peacefully joined the empire.
  29. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 10 November 2022 16: 04
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    That's what it was intended to be, but it screwed up completely. What is the center of power here?