MW: Russia can turn the Su-57 into a 5++ generation fighter

Recently, the Russian state aircraft manufacturer UAC сообщилthat an improved version of the fifth generation Su-57 fighter made its first flight. But there were very few details about the upgraded version of the aircraft and its testing, writes the American edition of Military Watch.

At the same time, the publication drew attention to one feature - the aircraft has the ability to install a “second stage aircraft engine”. It is noted that earlier the Russians announced their desire to begin the integration of "Product 30" into the Su-57 in 2022. Now they are talking about the appearance of the Su-57M with the latest powertrain, which will become a key feature of the fighter no earlier than 2025.

It was originally supposed to be put into operation in 2015, a whole decade before the next date. The first flight of the Su-57 with the Izdeliye 30 engine took place on December 5, 2017, and, according to some official statements, it will become the most powerful fighter engine in the world. It is expected to easily outperform the American F-119 F22 engine, which includes the existing Russian AL-41F1 engine temporarily fitted to the Su-57. However, whether the Product 30 will be able to offer performance similar to the newer F135 on the F-35 or the Chinese WS-15 being tested on the J-20 remains highly uncertain.

- says the publication.

However, it is likely that Izdeliya 30 will provide the Su-57 with unsurpassed flight performance and, possibly, allow it to maintain a cruising flight speed in excess of Mach 2. Moreover, without the use of afterburners, it will also reduce maintenance requirements and operating costs and significantly increase the survivability of the aircraft.

The Su-57s in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces, albeit in small numbers, managed to be tested during real hostilities in Ukraine. This included testing the sensors of the Su-57, striking and suppressing air defenses, and, according to unconfirmed reports, conducting air combat with the Ukrainian Su-27. Despite its formidable power, the Su-57 is still deprived of some key of technologiesused on the J-20 and F-35, but this gap will be corrected in the coming years.

China and the US are expected to introduce their first sixth-generation fighters around 2030, so Russia will invest heavily in turning the Su-57 into a “5++ generation” fighter with sixth-generation technologies. The development of the Su-57M will be a key step towards this goal, and by the early 2030s, the Su-57M2 and its other successors are expected to appear, perhaps even a redesigned Su-60.

- summed up the media.
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  1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 30 October 2022 13: 50
    By the time they bring the Su-57 to mind and start mass production, it will be time to build 6th generation aircraft. It is necessary to revive the MIG and Yakovlev aircraft concerns in order to destroy the monopoly of the Sukhoi aircraft concern by competition, and extremely negative phenomena in the aircraft industry of the Russian Federation.
    1. Eduard Egorov Offline Eduard Egorov
      Eduard Egorov (Eduard Egorov) 31 October 2022 12: 07
      Well, where do you see at least one fighter of the 6th generation, at least no one has it? The f35 trough is planned until 2050, and you are talking about the sixth generation.
  2. Dmitry Volkov Offline Dmitry Volkov
    Dmitry Volkov (Dmitry Volkov) 30 October 2022 14: 17
    It is better to put the MiG-31M into production, or rather its modernization.
    It will be faster and cheaper, and the use of modern technologies will significantly increase efficiency.
  3. Rubicon Offline Rubicon
    Rubicon 30 October 2022 14: 40
    Su57 is not 5++, not 5. It's 4+, God forbid. The board does not meet any requirements. It's just a flying laboratory with unclear prospects.
    1. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
      Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 31 October 2022 07: 56
      What are the "bugs"?
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 30 October 2022 14: 43
    Nevertheless, it is likely that "Products 30" will provide the Su-57 with unsurpassed flight performance.

    They cannot make an engine for a maize machine. The engineering school is ruined, now they are fed with "breakfasts".
    1. Homeless Offline Homeless
      Homeless (Vladimir) 30 October 2022 22: 48
      In order to cut the babosy!
    2. Eduard Egorov Offline Eduard Egorov
      Eduard Egorov (Eduard Egorov) 31 October 2022 12: 08
      There are already 30 products and it flies! What the hell are you writing a victim of propaganda.
  5. HiringXXX Offline HiringXXX
    HiringXXX (Titanium) 30 October 2022 14: 53
    Product 30 is the same cut as many other things. Why didn't they put the al-41f right away? Like because of the large size, but in fact we have a product 30 equal in thrust to al-41f. So much time and money was spent, instead of designing the su-57 for the al-41f and saving money and time ...
    1. vladivan Online vladivan
      vladivan (Vladimir) 30 October 2022 18: 23
      China bought 150 engines and put them on its stealth fighter. After he said: We overtook Russia 150 times. And no one says what percentage of Western electronics costs in the SU-57. The engine itself will not be ready until create an alloy for blades that can withstand temperatures of 1900-2000.
      1. Denis Z Offline Denis Z
        Denis Z (Denis Z) 30 October 2022 22: 08
        What kind of nonsense? And the temperature characteristics of pd14 do not correspond to 1900 degrees? Hand face. All modern engines and even engines of the past generation have such characteristics.
      2. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
        Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 31 October 2022 07: 59
        Yes, somewhere the specialist already wrote that the whole problem is that in a civilian that is here in the shoulder blades.
    2. tkot973 Offline tkot973
      tkot973 (Konstantin) 31 October 2022 10: 14
      We are all sawing and sawing together, very amicably, sharing with anyone we need.
      The first in the course, does not even interfere, and whoever forgets, he puts him in jail,
      For the joy of the people, and for edification to others, so that they do not lose attention.
      Did you read how the other day Chemezov easily "from the bazaar of tears"? He has a question about drones, where are they? - And he - yes, everything is in order, why are you panicking? They fly over there, shoot down, and even the military has a video.
    3. Eduard Egorov Offline Eduard Egorov
      Eduard Egorov (Eduard Egorov) 31 October 2022 12: 10
      Take a pill; this engine with the best performance, and it is. Where did you see the cut here, or everything in your head turns into a cut. In general, people went crazy, they all see the saw cut.
  6. vvnab Offline vvnab
    vvnab (Vitali) 30 October 2022 17: 09
    Again breakfast...
    It's not even funny anymore.
  7. lance Offline lance
    lance 30 October 2022 17: 42
    stop whining su -57 with product 30 took off and flies
  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 October 2022 18: 46
    Another unsigned Peremoga.
    here the engine would be installed, and brought from 5 to 5, and that would be good
    1. Eduard Egorov Offline Eduard Egorov
      Eduard Egorov (Eduard Egorov) 31 October 2022 12: 12
      He is already 5+, not like the fifth f22, but with new engines he will be 5++, so stop whining. His characteristics in all directions are better than those of his competitor f22, even with old engines.
  9. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 30 October 2022 18: 53
    "Russia can turn", it's like in a fairy tale, and if it can't, it's just guesswork. Here, the A-100 Premier radar patrol aircraft based on the IL-76 and the A-50, which is in service, cannot be made for 20 years now, we will definitely make some proposals, such as tomorrow and by 2040. Where are the personnel, where is the industry, where is the science??? All this is not. Shit liberals killed everything and everyone. Su-57 is a special case. It remains only to guess.
    1. i232323b Offline i232323b
      i232323b (Igor) 30 October 2022 19: 27
      What are Liberal Democrats? Putin has been in power for more than 20 years .... denigrate the defense industry and the "brightest" head of the commander in chief? yay yay... good
      1. Sasha Baron Offline Sasha Baron
        Sasha Baron (Sasha Baron) 31 October 2022 09: 13
        You argue apolitically, apolitically, those same liberals who raised the retirement age and changed the constitution, they need to change their heads
  10. Kvadik Offline Kvadik
    Kvadik (Vadim Kafanov) 30 October 2022 20: 25
    To begin with, it would be 5-- to do at least put it into a series.
  11. Eugene Zaboy Offline Eugene Zaboy
    Eugene Zaboy (Eugene Zaboy) 31 October 2022 04: 28
    Maybe stop writing about something that actually does not exist. Where are the planes? Someone wrote a few years ago that the 6th generation is actually an UAV, where there will be no pilot. Something has changed? When there are working planes and established production, I will be happy to read the news about this. And I got tired of reading science fiction for more than 10 years.
  12. Sasha Baron Offline Sasha Baron
    Sasha Baron (Sasha Baron) 31 October 2022 09: 10
    We believe, of course we believe, because everything that was promised earlier was fulfilled ahead of schedule
  13. Yuri Pyagai Offline Yuri Pyagai
    Yuri Pyagai (Yuri Pyagai) 31 October 2022 09: 11
    Maybe, but he doesn't want to. Putin's authorities have done EVERYTHING to ruin the legacy of the USSR. Even the population of the USSR was robbed.
  14. Velmi Shin Offline Velmi Shin
    Velmi Shin (Velmi Shin) 31 October 2022 09: 41
    Another show-off and lies! They were supposed to create a prototype with new engines in July so that it would take off, now it is October, they changed the number on the plane, and they say it is modernized. They dispersed all the wise men and with golden hands abroad with their thieves' policy of the IGA. Now they are turning out, they have made a shame on the whole world. It is necessary to drive all this camarilla from the authorities and the economy, scoundrels lie and steal without any limit.
  15. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 1 November 2022 15: 26
    impermissibly delayed with the su-57 project. Until now, the engine is not ready for it. been doing it for more than twenty years and there is still no end in sight. it looks like they will put it into production for the time being, if they start it at all, it may already become obsolete morally and physically. Then the UAC will come up with a new project of the 6th, 7th generation and again begin to milk the treasury. they can do this well, unlike airplanes.