Union with Russia or destruction: Why Ukraine is not given a third


Against the backdrop of serious problems that faced the Russian group involved in the NWO, talks about why we need all this at all have intensified again. In the comments, one can come across questions of the following kind: “Why do we need this hostile Ukraine, if it is easier to fence off or divide it from it?”, “The capture of the whole Ukraine is Bonapartism, after all?”, “Why did the author need the territory of a foreign sovereign state?”, “What Can Russia offer Ukraine?” and so on. To move forward, these questions need to be answered.


Anti-Russia


If you call a spade a spade, the entire history of Ukrainian independence is one continuous tragedy of the Ukrainian and Russian peoples living on the territory of Nezalezhnaya. Until recently, it was customary for Russian propagandists to ridicule the failures and failures of Ukraine over the past three decades, they say, look how you disposed of your independence, where would you be without us. The problem is that this tragedy was almost a foregone conclusion from the very beginning.

Indeed, Kyiv inherited from the USSR a developed heavy industry with numerous design bureaus and research institutes, agriculture with its unique black soil, and a powerful military group with huge arsenals. It would seem that with such starting conditions, Ukraine should have lived for a long time, if not like France, then at least at the level of Poland. But it turned out differently.

The fact is that all the former Soviet republics had a very simple choice. On the one hand, one could be drawn back to Russia, with which they are all closely linked economically, socially and culturally. See Moscow policies "soft power", as Ankara does in the Transcaucasus and Central Asia, the entire CIS would have been drawn back to the center long ago. On the other hand, in order to retain power and their capital, the local self-proclaimed "elites" had to tear their countries away from Russia and its newly-minted oligarchs as much as possible, turning into anti-Russia. These processes are going on in all the former Soviet republics without exception, but in Ukraine they have reached their highest embodiment.

The problem is that we do not exist in a spherical vacuum, and a hostile foreign policy is continuously waged against our country. Ukraine, thanks to its unique geographical position between the Russian Federation and Europe, has become a trump card in the "Great Game" led by the Anglo-Saxons.

When the Internet naively talks about what the US, the EU and Russia can give Ukraine, one should remember some fundamental points. In the first few years after gaining independence, they tried to make something like Poland No. 2 out of Nezalezhnaya - a showcase of the achievements of the capitalist economy for the moral decay of Russians and residents of other CIS countries. However, since 1993, the paradigm has changed, and Ukraine began to consistently prepare for a war against Russia.

Our age-old enemies have staked on Ukrainian nationalism, taking advantage of the objective split of Ukraine into Western and South-Eastern. The brains of the younger generation, born after the collapse of the USSR, were "reflashed" through textbooks on "Ukrainian history", which has little in common with reality. From Russia and Russians they drew the image of an enemy who always wished evil to Square. In 2003, a book by the second president of Ukraine was published with the appropriate program title "Ukraine is not Russia." Instead of common Soviet heroes, Nezalezhnaya slipped "heroes" from Galicia - Bandera and Shukhevych.

In 2014, a coup d'etat took place on the Maidan, after which Ukraine finally lost its sovereignty, and the masks were dropped. The Kyiv regime, relying on the bayonets of real and undisguised Nazis, launched a terrorist operation against the DPR and LPR, and in fact, preparations for a subsequent and inevitable war with Russia over Crimea. In parallel, the nazification and militarization of Ukrainian society was going on, which accelerated after February 24, 2022.

What conclusions can we draw?

The independence of Ukraine is always a guaranteed war with Russia and the nazification of Ukrainian society with "heroes" in the form of Bandera, Shukhevych, "cyborgs" and terrorists from Azov (an extremist organization banned in the Russian Federation). At the same time, this is a complete de-industrialization, which was a foregone conclusion and accelerated after the signing of the European Association Agreement, hard work in Eastern Europe for little money for the "migrant workers". Well, neither Europeans nor Americans need Ukrainian industry, competitors in the West are not tolerated and dealt with cruelly. The icing on the cake is gay parades, in the future, the legalization of gay marriages, marijuana for “medical purposes”, and prostitution.

This is what the United States and the European Union can really give to Ukraine, in contrast to the mythical Western investments, European passports and coffee at the Vienna Opera for everyone who wants to, so that no one leaves offended. Such is the harsh reality, everything else is from the evil one.

Ukraine with Russia


Then, the question is, what can Ukraine and Russia give each other if they are together? Actually quite a lot.

At first, if the former Independent becomes part of Russia in one form or another - the Union State, associated membership or something else, this means the end of the war, the current NVO and the civil war that has been going on there since 2014. Finally, people on both sides will stop dying.

Secondly, after Kyiv withdraws from the European Association Agreement, reindustrialization will begin in Ukraine. Enterprises that will work for the Russian market will be restored. There will be jobs again, no need to go to Eastern Europe and kneel picking strawberries in the rain. The restoration of industrial ties and cooperation is extremely beneficial for both Russia and Ukraine, especially in the context of Western sanctions, when we need accelerated import substitution.

Thirdly, the process of Nazification of Ukrainian society will stop and reverse. Bandera, Shukhevych, "cyborgs" and terrorists from "Azov" (banned in the Russian Federation) will be deservedly anathematized. The Russian language will receive the status of the second state language, Russian culture will no longer be pushed around, existing on an equal footing with Ukrainian.

Is not that enough?

That, in fact, is the whole simple choice facing Ukraine and Ukrainians. Or be against Russia and be destroyed in the war with her in the interests of the Anglo-Saxons, or be with Russia and get all the opportunities for development and self-realization. The third is simply not given. This is the answer to the questions why Russia needs all of Ukraine and what we can give each other.
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  1. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 27 October 2022 11: 05
    +3
    Everything is as simple as two fingers on the asphalt.
    At the very root of "Ukrainian" there is a meaning - anti-Russian, anti-Russia.
    This was originally conceived by our Austro-German "partners".
    As long as there are words with the root "Ukrainian", there will be no peaceful coexistence with everything that has the root "rus".
    This root is the root of the contradiction.
    There will be no "Ukrainian" - there will be no problems for the "Russian".
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 27 October 2022 11: 17
      -3
      as it turns out, everything is simple ... it’s a pity the inhabitants of Russia didn’t know about this when Sagaidachny and the Cossacks came to visit them ... And Sheremetyev apparently hoped that since Yuri Khmelnitsky was not a Ukrainian, but a Little Russian, he would not betray ...
      1. Corcap Offline Corcap
        Corcap 29 October 2022 08: 05
        +6
        Quote: passing by
        it’s a pity the inhabitants of Russia didn’t know about this when Sagaidachny came to visit them with the Cossacks ...

        Sahaidachny went to Moscow with the Poles, and the only thing that the Cossacks then "became famous" for was the wholesale rape of the nuns of the Novodevichy Convent ...
    2. Paul3390 Online Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 27 October 2022 11: 52
      -1
      "The adjective 'Ukrainian' deprives any meaning of any noun it defines"
    3. Downed pilot Offline Downed pilot
      Downed pilot (Sympathetic) 27 October 2022 21: 56
      -3
      Let there be Ukraine, within the borders of the Kyiv region, and let the Ukrainian brothers be there.
      You need to be more human .. easier ...
    4. vladivan Offline vladivan
      vladivan (Vladimir) 28 October 2022 20: 40
      0
      In 1917, after the February revolution, the UCR came to power in Kyiv, and in their "generalists" they began to call the population "Ukrainians" 60-90% of the province of Little Russia, Little Russians lived. And in educational institutions they began to use the Ukrainian language instead of Russian. But this is not the Ukrainian language, but this is the “Little Russian” language. There are few Ukrainians in the Ukrainian SSR. And in 1925 the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) of Ukraine began to Ukrainize the entire state apparatus, due to the fact that in all departments everyone spoke Russian, but were considered Ukrainians. production. 32, a year after the start of Ukrainization, a census of the population of the USSR was carried out. And in the Ukrainian SSR, 1925% -1926 million people of Ukrainians, 1926% Russians. In Ukraine, 90% were Jews. You don’t know history at all, so write all sorts of fiction!
  2. ficshr Offline ficshr
    ficshr (Nikolai Anisimov) 27 October 2022 11: 48
    +3
    Everything is smart, to the point, simple and very intelligible ... I approve ...
    1. Downed pilot Offline Downed pilot
      Downed pilot (Sympathetic) 27 October 2022 21: 30
      -2
      I read the author regularly and with interest. This article is disappointing. It's probably better to have 2 good articles a week than XNUMX unsubscribes a day.
      Firstly, people will stop dying...Ukrainians consider only killed Muscovites, and the Ukrainians themselves do not mind dying for such a thing. Here's to the drum!
      Secondly: Ukrainian factories will be restored, yeah .. and the Russians will be restored or not? One smart guy here tried to scatter defective balls from bearings into space, so there were defective balls, you must first restore the factories
      And thirdly, it’s not clear why Ukrainians, together with Russians, will suddenly stand in a circle and hopak and start dancing in chorus with a Lezgin?
      Author, you can write better. Here and write
  3. Paul3390 Online Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 27 October 2022 11: 51
    +3
    reindustrialization will begin in Ukraine

    Will not start. For all its productions are competitors to Russian ones. All their products are similar to ours. If we take into account the considerable deterioration of the economy, enormous sums will be required to restore and bring it into a divine form. Well-and why is Russia?? If these funds can be invested in the Urals and Siberia with much greater sense? In addition, investments there are significantly more reliable ..

    No, you can say goodbye to Ukrainian industry. No one will restore it - neither we nor the West. The technological cluster is a huge value in modern times, created by generations of ancestors. And if you pissed him off - that's it. The second time - no one will invest in it. Due to the fact that such costs will never be repaid, and there are already enough industrial zones in the world ..
    1. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 27 October 2022 17: 18
      +3
      To raise the industry only in Russian-speaking regions. The rest is at best S / X, or maybe just a reserve ...
      1. Downed pilot Offline Downed pilot
        Downed pilot (Sympathetic) 27 October 2022 21: 38
        +2
        And how many times have we built Dnieper rivers in Ukraine as a whole great country ??
        And repaired?
        Look carefully at the map of the railways of Ukraine and Russia, Belgorod type ... the number of plants, factories, hydroelectric power stations and thermal power plants.
        Enough to build them and rebuild the whole country. We have not completed the BAM yet.
        How much they save for themselves during this war, let them use it. To mature to the human values ​​of the 21st century, it takes 300 years by a torch To sit on cold winter evenings. And what do they think about when a nuclear power plant is shelled?
        So, they can do without electricity!
        I remember the exclamation of Zelensky, from KVN or 95th quarter: -..., who turned on the light ????
    2. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
      Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 27 October 2022 17: 56
      +1
      in the former ussr there is something that is not or is not enough in russia, some elements of the periodic table, there are shorter and more convenient logistic routes to other parts of the globe
      and there is no reason to worry that Russia will begin to restore the industry of the liberated territories in a short time, after the war it will take a long time to eliminate the remnants of gangs, strengthen borders with Europe, restore and modernize weapons, a new army on the territory
      but you don’t need unemployment in the liberated territories
      it is important to provide Russian private business with tax incentives in the development of new territories, that is, to shift most of the burden onto the private trader, with their help to ensure the necessary inflow of taxes to the country's budget
      show new compatriots that Russia will not leave them, it will give them work, shelter and protection
    3. Downed pilot Offline Downed pilot
      Downed pilot (Sympathetic) 27 October 2022 21: 59
      +1
      All right!
      The only amendment, not the second time, but the third. We were restoring everything with the whole country after the Great Patriotic War
  4. Mihail55 Offline Mihail55
    Mihail55 (Michael) 27 October 2022 12: 09
    +5
    In addition to the Austrians, the Soviet leaders did their best to cultivate the roots of "independence". I know firsthand. Inscriptions on all establishments, official conversation, 1st TV program - only in Ukrainian! What was the BSSR worse??? There only in Russian! Here is a united people for you! How did the original RUSSIAN territory of Donbass turn out to be in the Ukrainian SSR? I'm not talking about Crimea ...
    Oh, and a difficult task lies ahead ... NWO is just the beginning
  5. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 27 October 2022 12: 20
    +5
    Too late. The new generation of ukrov, who grew up in the image of the Russian enemy, will no longer perceive the Russians as their equals. Their consciousness is too poisoned. And you don't have to sympathize with them. Adult individuals are responsible for their life choices. They chose the Anglo-Saxon. There can be no peace and friendship with the Anglo-Saxons, so "Ukraine" can have only one way. Into non-existence. Russia's duty is this: to defeat, conquer, filter the population, sympathizers of Ukronazism, or expel, or annex territory to camps, build a society there that is beneficial to the Russian Federation.
    1. Downed pilot Offline Downed pilot
      Downed pilot (Sympathetic) 27 October 2022 21: 41
      0
      This is decades of work...
      do you already have a plan?
      Or Gosplan?
  6. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 27 October 2022 13: 16
    +4
    There is no peace without victory, there is always a winner in a war, even if the parties sign a neutral peace treaty. What need to do? To establish peace on the territory of Ukraine and stop killing people? Russia needs to adopt a law that will state that the entire territory of Ukraine is the property of Russia.
    Assigning the status of the territory of Ukraine, that this is the territory of Russia, will transfer the NMD into a counter-terrorist operation (CTO), i.e. all hostilities will take place within the state of the Russian Federation, and this is a different legal basis, which will lead to the rapid disappearance of the war in Ukraine.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state of Ukraine, no debts, no government of Ukraine in exile, no legal Bandera, no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to the EU countries. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia.
  7. GIS Offline GIS
    GIS (Ildus) 27 October 2022 13: 23
    +3
    but Ukrainians will not be allowed to think about this choice. therefore, it is necessary to finish off everything and go to the borders with the Poles, Romanians and other "neighbors" of Ukraine, and as noted above:

    establish state order beneficial to the Russian Federation
  8. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 27 October 2022 14: 29
    -5
    Oh sweet dreams...
    What will happen in Ukraine can be seen on the example of the LDNR.
    Edro, poverty, cellars, oligarchs from Moscow and corruption.

    Restored businesses, employment? those. the same rake? funny.
    Denazification - yes. (If they don’t have time to change their shoes on the fly)
    1. Downed pilot Offline Downed pilot
      Downed pilot (Sympathetic) 27 October 2022 21: 42
      0
      Unconstructive .. criticize-suggest
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 28 October 2022 10: 32
        -4
        How many of you are here .... to every comment ... I hope the salary is good?
  9. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 27 October 2022 16: 47
    -4
    questions of the following kind: “Why do we need this hostile Ukraine, if it is easier to fence off or divide it from it?”, “The capture of the whole Ukraine is Bonapartism, after all?”, “Why did the author need the territory of a foreign sovereign state?” ....
    To move forward, these questions need to be answered.

    Of all the answers, the author issued only one thesis:

    Independence of Ukraine is always a guaranteed war with Russia

    The thesis has not been confirmed by practice over these 30 years, but even so.
    Ukraine itself in military terms for the Russian Federation is not dangerous from the word at all.
    Even if they were given a certain amount of strike non-nuclear weapons,
    such as attack UAVs, tanks, more or less long-range missiles -
    Well, a no brainer that after a lesson in any region. a center like Belgorod, the war on the part of the Russian Federation is becoming truly popular, and the Russian Federation has a free hand on everything, including tactical nuclear weapons.
    (it still remains generally so).

    Accordingly, there were no trends in pumping Ukraine with NATO shock weapons for 30 years until 24/02,
    not even during these 9 months.
    NATO/US explicitly ban Ukraine from crossing border with Russia
    (after the regroupings near Kharkov, this does not look impossible).
    NATO/USA explicitly do not allow to shell the territory of the Russian Federation with highmars.
    Although it would seem that after February 24.02, NATO's hands are completely untied - any strikes against the Russian Federation are no longer aggression, but only a retaliatory strike.
    However, see above, the US / NATO does not want (and it is quite clear why) the escalation of the NMD to a nuclear war.

    And the issues of Ukrainian well-being do not concern me much, I would like to equip my own regions.
  10. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 27 October 2022 17: 20
    +3
    To raise the industry only in Russian-speaking regions. The rest is at best S / X, or maybe just a reserve ...
  11. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 27 October 2022 17: 23
    -1
    Sergey, if you write in a personal, it would be nice to give the opportunity to answer there, so far:

    You cannot send messages to this user, because he limits the circle of people who can send him messages.
  12. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
    soloist2424 (Oleg) 27 October 2022 17: 42
    +1
    NATO/USA explicitly do not allow to shell the territory of the Russian Federation with highmars.

    Belgorod is greatly relieved by the fact that it was fired upon by the Haimars or other weapons. The United States started this war, and must answer for it. Otherwise, time will pass, the Americans will force the Poles or someone else to fight with Russia.
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 27 October 2022 18: 08
      -1
      Quote from solist2424
      USA started this war

      There is no war, wake up, there is a NWO, launched by order of the President of the Russian Federation.

      Quote from solist2424
      Belgorod is greatly relieved by the fact that it was fired upon by the Haimars or other weapons.

      Nevertheless, there is a difference between the results of the shelling of Kherson and Belgorod.
    2. Downed pilot Offline Downed pilot
      Downed pilot (Sympathetic) 27 October 2022 21: 46
      0
      The United States has never answered for its deeds.
      Not for Vietnam, not for Hiroshima. Why are they going to answer?
      They say the world should be by the rules!
      I translate, for the slow-witted, ON THE CONCEPTS !!!
      Download rights against North Americans, it's like running into a lesson in a cell.
      This must be understood
  13. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 27 October 2022 20: 04
    0
    Maybe there is a point in joining Ukraine to Russia. But definitely without Galicia. Galicia and Bandera are inseparable concepts
    1. Downed pilot Offline Downed pilot
      Downed pilot (Sympathetic) 27 October 2022 21: 48
      0
      Why join everything? Let a couple of regions remain within Ukraine and pay pind wasps for lend-lease for 300 years!
      You have to pay for pleasure
    2. vladivan Offline vladivan
      vladivan (Vladimir) 28 October 2022 20: 57
      0
      It is necessary to explain to the Galicians that they became Ukrainians only after 1939. After joining the Ukrainian SSR, Ukrainization was also carried out, as in 1925-32 in the Ukrainian SSR, with the prohibition of the Russian language, as under Pilsudski, the prohibition of the "Ukrainian" language, since it is not the Ukrainian language , and "Little Russian" or Rusyns But before joining, "Rusyns", "Russ" lived there! The first Ukrainians in Galicia appear according to the population census in Poland in 1931 or 33. "Ukrainians" first appear in the census conducted by the UCR in 1917, and then in 1920 the UCR conducts another census. But they are all partial, and besides, about 50% of Ukrainians suddenly appeared. Although they did not exist before 1917
  14. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 28 October 2022 01: 30
    0
    The very existence of Russians as a nation is at stake - that's why there is no third way. They give slack - they rot.
  15. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 28 October 2022 17: 32
    -1
    However, since 1993, the paradigm has changed, and Ukraine began to consistently prepare for a war against Russia.

    A bold statement, but a very bold one...

    That, in fact, is the whole simple choice facing Ukraine and Ukrainians. Or be against Russia and be destroyed in the war with her in the interests of the Anglo-Saxons, or be with Russia and get all the opportunities for development and self-realization. The third is simply not given.

    And again, sharing the skin of an unkilled raccoon ...
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 28 October 2022 20: 05
      0
      The topic touched upon is existential, both for Ukraine and Russia. A film about the commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny was released, so since 1993 he already knew that there would be a war with the Russian Federation, and he would fight until victory. He is a principled enemy, there is no way to negotiate with him, only physical elimination will stop the war. , in the circles of the former Ukrainian policemen ... There are tectonic shifts in the post-Soviet space, enemies have replaced the friendship of peoples with enmity of peoples. And in war, as in war, the loser dies.
  16. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 30 October 2022 11: 43
    0
    The third is just more obvious, though not for all regions of Ukraine it is to become part of Russia and begin to develop normally and speak their native Russian language, and not an artificially created move.
    1. nepunamemuk Offline nepunamemuk
      nepunamemuk (Akela Missed) 2 November 2022 09: 52
      0
      let them speak any language
      even in some Esperanto
      only do not indicate what language to speak to others
      1. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 2 November 2022 14: 56
        0
        I'm just talking about those others who want to speak their native Russian. Those who indicate can generally be silent.