Sources: Armed Forces of Ukraine begin evacuation from Bakhmut in connection with the threat of the capture of the city by Russian troops

October 13 2022 18

On the evening of October 12, there were unconfirmed reports of a breakthrough in the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of the city of Bakhmut (Artyomovsk) by fighters from the Wagner PMC. After that, the experts started talking about the beginning of the evacuation (withdrawal) of the Ukrainian army from this strategic settlement in connection with the negative consequences for them from the approaching and surrounding Russian troops, but there was still no clarity in what was happening.

On the morning of October 13, Russian expert Boris Rozhin described the situation on his Telegram channel, referring to Yevgeny Prigozhin.

Prigozhin said that the village of Ivangrad was completely taken and cleared by the fighters of the Wagner PMC. Experienced has not yet been taken - heavy battles are going on for it. Experienced is the last settlement before the southern outskirts of Artemovsk - then the city itself begins

Rozhin said.

Almost simultaneously, a publication appeared by Russian expert Yuri Podolyaki, who has his own sources of information.

Last night, the enemy, whom the units of the "musicians" (PMC "Wagner" - ed.) By that time had already covered from three sides, left n. Experienced, which, in fact, has long merged with the city and became its integral part. And now the situation in this direction looks something like this ...

- he clarified, attaching a map to the publication, which, in his opinion, can reflect reality.

How reliable this information is will become known in the coming days, because we are talking about the fact that Russian troops crossed the Bakhmutka River, the main water obstacle not just in this sector of the front, but in the entire direction from Seversk to Gorlovka.

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Corsair

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13 October 2022 14: 13

Sources: Armed Forces of Ukraine begin evacuation from Bakhmut in connection with the threat of the capture of the city by Russian troops

"Fishless fish and cancer"... Although PMCs will play the role of a "cadre army", which seems to be there, but in fact, where there is real progress, it is very difficult to detect it.

Hey Russia! Where is your army?
On the "winter apartments departed"? Are you tired, dear?
Valera75

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13 October 2022 15: 33

Quote: Corsair
Hey Russia! Where is your army?
On "winter apartments departed"? Lost, hearty

Well, the army is especially seasoned-contractual, specialists in their field, it’s impossible to understand where, instead of them drivers, turners, metallurgists, locksmiths are being pulled up and they will take on this burden. In our economy, in general, everything is in chocolate and there is no shortage of civilian professions and we won’t notice 300 tons of fallen specialists. Previously, we thought we had an army for just such operations, but it turns out that a fireman from a citizen in the position of the Ministry of Defense did not bring any order. uniforms and first-aid kits from the mobilized.
1. Corsair
  
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  13 October 2022 15: 54
  
  Quote: Valera75
  Well, the army is especially seasoned-contractual, specialists in their field, I don’t understand where at all
  
  Lying after the operation in the ward, waiting for the evacuation, I chatted at night with your two wounded double basses.
  There were two of us from the DPR and them too, moreover, from one unit, unwound by VFU mortars on the way to the front.
  They did not reach Mariupol ...
  
  Camp, they pitched, nice, typewriter to typewriter ... "According to the requirements of the Charter" ... -
  
  It was then that I heard enough from your servicemen about "Putin's ostentatious army" and whether they want to die for the Donbass ...
  
  And it was the end of March, and you haven’t learned to fight since then, but I’m generally silent about the desire to fight, especially now.
  Although in fact, as a "professional army", they should certainly have been able to fight even before ...
  1. andrey ivanov_2
    
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    13 October 2022 16: 47
    
    Dear, you, in fact, choose your words ... Who would your DPR (and LPR to boot) be without "Putin's ostentatious army" starting in 2014? How many male population of working age in the DNR and LNR?? How many of them are fighting? For Russia (in principle) the DPR and LPR (cynically speaking) for the same purpose as Ukraine for America. Where were you before 2014? Starting with Kravchuk and ending with Yanukovych???? Did you also feel like Russians? How many young men from the DPR and LPR are in Russia, and you don’t want to count her at the front ??? The eagles have risen....
    1. Corsair
      
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      13 October 2022 18: 31
      
      Quote: Andrey Ivanov_2
      Dear, you, in fact, choose the words ... Who would your DPR (and the LPR to boot) be without "Putin's ostentatious army"
      
      Who wrote this ? About the unpreparedness of the army (in the words of the Russian double bass - "ostentation")...
      
      Where did the millionth army of Russia go? There are no trained 300000 warriors in its ranks. I understand that the personnel of law enforcement agencies need to be protected. But what is the army to us ??????
      
      You, please, do not shine with Great Russian chauvinism, but rather think how to fix it.
      1. andrey ivanov_2
        
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        13 October 2022 19: 05
        
        This is my army and my president. And only I (as a citizen of Russia) have the right to ask these questions to my President. I chose him. And I repeat my question. From what year did you feel like Russians? And chauvinism has nothing to do with it.
      2. Vladimir Tuzakov
        
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        13 October 2022 19: 16
        
        While Shoigu, initially a promoter to the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Yeltsin liberals, is in the ministers of the RF Ministry of Defense, there will be nothing worthwhile. , As with D. Medvedev, the same protege of the liberals, and they are Jewish, Shoigu has a mother, and Medvedev is completely Mendel David Aronovich by birth, such strange coincidences with the whole galaxy of ministers and high officials of the Russian Federation. Their main homeland is Israel, and at the wailing wall, more than one wrote notes in a kippah ... And we are looking for the fifth column of the Russian Federation somewhere on the side ...
Valera75

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13 October 2022 19: 38

Quote: Andrey Ivanov_2
Where were you before 2014? Starting with Kravchuk and ending with Yanukovych???? Did you also feel like Russians?

As far as I remember, against their will, Lenin attached Donbass as a locomotive with its industry and hard-working population, because the Bandera west was a complete zero in this regard. So Russia is freeing its own.

How many young men from the DPR and LPR are in Russia, and you don’t want to count her at the front ???

Well, I think there are many times more of our runners towards Georgia and Kazakhstan, and to add those contract soldiers who have been fattening all these years at the expense of the Moscow Region and on February 24, they were in a hurry to break contracts and break from the army, so in general you get impressive numbers.

It was then that I heard enough from your servicemen about "Putin's ostentatious army" and whether they want to die for the Donbass ...

I have a colleague who went through the second Chechen war and decided to serve under a contract in the Pskov division somewhere between 2012-2016 and he went nuts, I will very, very mildly say what a mess there was. Army cars were thrown off and repaired at their own expense, repair bases 0 but as I read it here or on the VO article, it turns out my friend was right, they were all covered up, and Mishustin had just announced them. They painted something in the part, they said to him, they say, collect the conscripts and throw off the paint yourself for 1000, this was the last straw when he had 3 letters sent this whole army and broke the contract by returning back to Siberia.
Is it possible not to believe in this? Considering that the mobilization of 300 tons of people showed, only 300 tons, and the duties assigned to the governors, from their funds to dress those who are simply obliged to dress in the Moscow Region, I believe, and always believed my friend, that he served in Pskov and believe what the double basses told you about the Corsair. You can’t imagine how pseudo-experts and former warriors poured sweetly into our ears that everything in our army is nishtyak that I already believed it. But I really hoped that the security forces would never have problems with anything. It’s bitter and unpleasant to realize that the mess that we had to go through in the nineties, in fact, hasn’t gone anywhere, only slightly somewhere something has been fixed and start rubbing with your sleeve, you see that this is a fake. Everyone lives in one and he doesn’t give a damn when raking under himself, he will cause or not damage someone, how he will look like he doesn’t care in the eyes of others. That the government does not say anything and does not talk at all with people, which is the same at work. At work a mini-state of Russia, everything is one to one, so we sometimes laugh from the fact that much converges one into one. Everything is disgusting! If the security forces lie to the president, so what can we say about us mortals? in the form of an emergency on the Crimean bridge. But Putin himself was driving a KAMAZ to open this bridge. And I believe that he was sincerely happy about this and thought that everything would be fine with us, but he was deceived. I really sincerely feel sorry for the president, because he alone among a bunch of traitors and hangers-on who sleep and see how to grab with their mouths and f*ck sing juicy pieces from the Kremlin feeder. us, those who were born in the USSR and managed to go through the hardening of the union, who went through the nineties 1 and 2 of the Chechen company and knows how to deal with problems, can it be so? .God grant him health, and we will not let him down, because I think it will never be better than him in the future x-dozens of years.
Good luck and good luck to us! And I beg your pardon for the polyphony
1. andrey ivanov_2
  
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  13 October 2022 20: 02
  
  As far as I remember, Lenin's reasons for annexing Donbass to Ukraine were somewhat different. But it's not even about Lenin and not about the number of our runners to Georgia and Kazakhstan. I am not discussing the methods of B. Khmelnitsky to bring Ukraine under the reign of Alexei Mikhailovich or the reasons for the betrayal of General Vlasov. I'm just saying that it's not the brave Donetsk eagles who heroically fight on the fields of Russia (you'll excuse me, but I consider them citizens of Russia, just like citizens of Puerto Rico are citizens of the United States), but Russian guys are fighting for Russian interests in the newly annexed territories. ..... And it’s not their damn business (the heroic guys of the DNR and LNR) to discuss the affairs of great Russia, no matter what they (these cases) are.
Valera75

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13 October 2022 20: 23

Quote: Andrey Ivanov_2
And it’s not their damn business (the heroic guys of the DPR and LPR) to discuss the affairs of great Russia, no matter what they (these cases) are.

If not for their heroism, we would still be retreating half-bent and Raisins and Liman on the map would hardly be found because they would be far behind.
This is their land, their homeland, and their homeland is like my homeland Russia, and I think they also care about what is happening with us in Russia and in the theater of operations in the Donbas. With your thoughts, I think many of our officers in headquarters and on the front end, when they didn’t help the LDNR army with either bk or artillery or aviation, and therefore we lost our soldiers and territories.

Everyone lives in one and he doesn’t care when raking under himself, whether or not he will cause damage to someone, how he will look like he doesn’t care in the eyes of others. That the government doesn’t say anything and doesn’t talk to people at all, which is the same at work

I wrote this above an hour ago and see how relevant it is.
As long as we each think and do as we want without giving a damn about the consequences, we will limp in place.
1. Corsair
  
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  13 October 2022 20: 35
  
  Quote: Valera75
  If not for their heroism, we would still be retreating half-bent and Raisins and Liman on the map would hardly be found because they would be far behind.
  
  Thanks for the kind words, but we are also different.
  We have the 500s and those who hate Russia.
  Nothing new, as in any other society not united by one idea - how many people, so many opinions.
  Moreover, for more than 20 years we have been torn apart by artificial borders.
  
  Personally, I will answer that any nationalism, on any side, and in whatever form it is expressed, is unacceptable to me. And this is one of the reasons why I fought against the state, of which I was formally a citizen, and whose course I did not take.
  
  Actually, this also applies to the opponent "Andrey Ivanov_2", with his chauvinism, a synonym for nationalism.
  
  Notes of our, personally mine, inferiority, second-rateness, in his posts were "through" twice ...
  
  Quote: Andrey Ivanov_2
  it’s not their damn business (the heroic guys of the DPR and LPR) to discuss the affairs of big Russia
2. andrey ivanov_2
  
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  13 October 2022 20: 41
  
  If not for their heroism, we would still be retreating half-bent and Raisins and Liman on the map would hardly be found because they would be far behind.
  
  Are you serious? Even if this is true (which I certainly don't believe), isn't this their home, their land? Shouldn't they (despite the help of Russia or the lack of this help) tear the throats of their enemies. And back in 2014, reach the borders of your region, no matter what. Again, Putin interfered with his Minsk agreements. Do you seriously think that all the famous boilers were made by the people's policemen? Maybe you seriously think that fraternal people live there??? You still compare Donbass with Crimea. With the collapse of the USSR, the Crimeans defended their sovereignty or autonomy from Ukraine. Something I did not notice this outside the territory of the former Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic. Probably it was good up to Yanukovych,???
  1. Valera75
    
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    13 October 2022 21: 47
    
    Shouldn't they (despite the help of Russia or the lack of this help) tear the throats of their enemies. And back in 2014, reach the borders of your region, no matter what.
    
    you have a throat rupture scale so that the Corsair and the rest know to what extent they tear them. In the first LDNR, like 4m population? Only a few will remain to take away the elderly, women, children and mobilized, but they are at the front, although they can hardly be compared with Russia in 145m of the population .I know who fought in 2014, but my friend served under a contract in Pskov and knows that then contract soldiers first went there in batches from the same Pskov without their desire and went back in zinc and largely because of unfortunate commanders. And the musicians fought there and they all created boilers together and then they all collapsed in Minsk. Donbass is not just a fraternal people, but on my mother’s side my great-grandmother is from Donbass, my roots are from there. And what about Crimea? NATO would then have planned to take Crimea from us in 2022. What is the attitude of the Crimeans towards us Russians? for them as ect with finances from which they need to be pulled out. I understand that it’s similar as when I was in Lazarevsky, you also look the same there. And what is Crimea for me personally? .If I had a Siberian at least once a year but once in my life, not up to chic, the opportunity from the state to go there for the first time in my life at least with a 50% discount on a round trip flight and bask in the sun for a week, I would like a resident 9 months in the snow would be glad of this. But I'm not the one who cares about the state. My dad, a miner, could go to a sanatorium in the USSR and there was an opportunity to appear on the seashore. Here are such pies.
  2. Olga Taschilina
    
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    14 October 2022 00: 09
    
    Silly and ugly. Yes, Donbass did not lag behind Crimea. Together with Crimea, he voted for the preservation of the USSR. And in 1994, a referendum was held in the Donbass and Crimea, in which we demanded from Ukraine Friendship with Russia and Russian schools, the Russian language for our children. Kuchma just laughed at us. There was such a scoundrel, a writer of average skill and average ability Gonchar. He wrote about the Second World War "Banners" and raked in a sea of awards. This bastard said out loud:
    
    Donbass is a cancer that needs to be cut out
    
    It was uttered in 1991 and, since then, Kyiv has been diligently cutting us out. He's been carving us since 1984. In the USSR, there was a demographic failure in five years (1941-1945), and we have a demographic failure in the Donbas since 1988, if not earlier. And it ended in 2005, when Yanukovych came to power and we know that this is not so much the merit of Yanukovych as the merit of Azarov. They betrayed us, We did not betray them. Those. we have a demographic failure in the Donbass not in five years, as in the USSR, but in all 15-20 years. There are practically no youngsters. The son goes and the father goes, because the father has the only son. The father is trying to hide his son. It almost never works out. The example of Jogi father and son is not the only one. Putin recently presented a hero star to Kachura's daughter. The woman led the division of the MLRS "Grad", subordinate to 140 men. She died during the shelling of Gorlovka by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    You shouldn’t be so!
    1. andrey ivanov_2
      
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      14 October 2022 07: 02
      
      I agree - Jogi, Kachura are heroes. But when they were presented with awards at Putin's, I did not hear that they would call the Russian army amusing, and Putin - the head of this army, as the "corsair" did. This is what I am trying to convey.
      1. Corsair
        
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        14 October 2022 11: 47
        
        Quote: Andrey Ivanov_2
        made "corsair"
        
        "Andrei Ivanov_2", and after all, calling the contract army "amusing", I actually quoted a Russian contract soldier who spoke about the combat readiness of the army in such a way.
        And I pointed this out in one of the comments.
        
        And don't drag Zhogu and Kachura here, you're not even worth their little finger.
        We fought in spite of everything that you muddied behind our backs...
        
        Former Russian Prime Minister Stepashin spoke about Merkel's role in the signing of the Minsk agreements
        Former Russian Prime Minister Stepashin said that Merkel persuaded Putin to sign the Minsk agreements
        
        https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4963658/
        
        The comment was deleted.
    2. Corsair
      
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      14 October 2022 20: 13
      
      Quote from Olga Taschilina
      There was such a scoundrel, a writer of average skill and average ability Gonchar. He wrote about the Second World War "Banners" and raked in a sea of awards. This rubbish declared publicly "Donbass is a cancerous tumor that needs to be cut out."
      
      Yes, at school, at the lessons of Ukrainian literature, they studied his "Ensign" ...
Sergey Kuzmin

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14 October 2022 18: 13

How reliable this information is will become known in the coming days, because we are talking about the fact that Russian troops crossed the Bakhmutka River, the main water obstacle not just in this sector of the front, but in the entire direction from Seversk to Gorlovka.

And what if we suddenly pull up more reserves here and strike on the move? Then it would be possible, probably, to go to Slavyansk?