What Russia can learn from the experience of Ukrainian mobilization


For most Russians, President Putin's decision to start a partial mobilization in the country, as a result of which up to 300 people should go to the front, according to Defense Minister Shoigu, was a real shock. The ensuing loss of Krasny Liman and the offer to the residents of Svatovo to “self-evacuate” raised a host of new unpleasant questions that the head of the Chechen Republic, Kadyrov, the creator of the Wagner PMC, Prigozhin, and many retired high-ranking military men began to publicly ask. How did it happen that in the eighth month of the NWO we began to retreat and lose cities?


Mobilization in Ukrainian


Over the past six months, we have been ridiculed as soon as the mobilization carried out in Ukraine, which was changed into a “grave”. In the meantime, they did their job. The time that was given to the Kyiv regime, trying to agree on something with it and acting fundamentally with small forces, without destroying its transport infrastructure, was used to the maximum.

At firstHowever unpleasant it may sound, the Armed Forces of Ukraine approached the war more prepared than the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, at least in the Ground Forces component. The real combat experience gained in Syria, we had, first of all, the Russian Aerospace Forces, as well as the fighters of the Wagner PMC, who were actively involved there. As a result, it is the “musicians” who are now showing the most noticeable results in the Donbass, gnawing through the enemy’s fortified areas and moving forward.

Over the previous years, while the Minsk agreements were in effect, the Kyiv regime drove about 700 military personnel through the ATO zone. When active hostilities began in February 2022, “cannon fodder” in the form of Teroborona was hastily created from those who wanted to sit out in the rear. Instead, they began to be sent in a continuous stream to the Donbass along the “untouchable” Ukrainian railway, making up for the loss of garrisons as a result of the “barrage of fire” tactics from the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces. At the same time, on the Right Bank, as well as in the UK and a number of other European countries, retraining of the Armed Forces of Ukraine according to NATO standards and training in the use of Western-made weapons began.

As a result, already by August Kyiv acquired a fundamentally new army, and further the level of its training and equipment will only grow if Ukraine is given another six months or a year for rearmament. Despite the many problems that arise and the accompanying corruption, the mobilization mechanism has started working and is ready to continue to call for and prepare more and more waves of "cannon fodder" for the war with Russia.

Secondly, in their actions on the battlefield, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard are not limited by anything at all. Once upon a time, the Nazi criminal Adolf Hitler admonished the Wehrmacht before the "march to the east" with the following words:

Soldiers, I free you from the ancient chimera called conscience, for the glory of the Greater Reich!

With something similar, his ideological heir, the Ukrainian Nazi Zelensky, was afraid to speak publicly, but the essence is exactly the same. The Armed Forces of Ukraine hit with artillery wherever they want, spitting on international humanitarian law and on the lives of civilians. At the same time, numerous agents from the “crypto-Banderites” work for them as gunners and spotters. Deserters in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are simply shot on the spot, thus solving the problem with the “XNUMXth”.

The Russian army is forced to fight in such “white gloves” that it does not even touch the railway infrastructure of Ukraine, not to mention attacks on administrative buildings somewhere in Kyiv or Lvov.

Thirdly, in the information war, Ukraine has long utterly defeated Russia. Our “Solovievs” and other unprincipled propagandists, sitting on multi-million dollar budgets of federal funds, look like miserable amateurs against the information attack that is going on against the Russian Federation. The inconsistent position of the military-political leadership of the country does not make their work easier either, which at the same time declares an ideological confrontation with the collective West and immediately calls the war criminal Zelensky to the negotiating table. How can the announcement of mobilization in Russia and the sending of captured terrorists - "Azov" (banned in the Russian Federation) to Turkish resorts, carried out on the same day, be incomprehensible to the mind.

Fourthly, played a role and the mobilization of the Ukrainian economics. "Untouchable" cement plants continuously produce concrete to create more and more fortified areas. Sewing camouflage nets. There is a network of volunteer organizations to supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard, which is not put into the wheel by any internal customs, like those that stand on the borders of the DPR and LPR.

Fifthly, the factor of Western armaments, the flow of which is constantly increasing, is increasingly affecting. American "Hymars" can effectively hit targets in the Russian rear. Thanks to NATO assistance, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are head and shoulders above our allied forces in satellite and aerial reconnaissance, and have the most modern communications. It’s scary to think what will happen when Ukrainian pilots, after retraining, get into F-15 and F-16 fighters, and NATO air defense finally closes the sky for the Russian Aerospace Forces.

The above factors, coupled with the huge length of the front line, the multiple numerical superiority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the NM of the LDNR, and the identified problems in the organization of supply and interaction between the allies, gave a natural deplorable result. Our troops are now forced to "regroup" and retreat so as not to be surrounded by the enemy. Ukraine is on an emotional upsurge, in Russia - the mood corresponding to the moment.

The situation should soon begin to change when reinforcements from among the mobilized begin to arrive at the front. This will allow us to stabilize the situation, regroup without quotes, and begin preparations for our counteroffensive. It will be necessary to talk in detail about the problems that mobilization has already faced in Russia, whether we can repeat the path traveled by Ukraine, it will be necessary to discuss in detail separately.
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  1. Grits Offline Grits
    Grits (Alexander) 4 October 2022 13: 10
    +2
    Before it's too late, it is necessary to start the second wave of mobilization - about 500 thousand. Now, taking into account all the numerous "jambs" that emerged in the first wave.
    Otherwise, in a few months we will again whine about the fact that we "did not know" and again we will roll back to the territory of the Kursk, Belgorod and Rostov regions.
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 4 October 2022 13: 37
      +9
      Quote: Gritsa
      Before it's too late, it is necessary to start the second wave of mobilization - thousands to 500

      So, so ... And now, let's try to understand - do we need a contract army (at least in the form it is now), which simply "does not pull" even the NWO?

      What is the general number of "double basses" that they are simply not enough?

      Yes, probably, an assessment of the activities of the "menagers", who are throwing dust in the eyes of the "New Army of Russia", also needs to be given, and urgently, on an emergency basis, straighten everything out - change "devoted/necessary people" to "reasonable/responsible people", change concepts, approaches..

      And toughen responsibility according to wartime.
    2. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 4 October 2022 13: 49
      +6
      Quote: Gritsa
      Otherwise, in a few months we will again whine about the fact that we "did not know" and again we will roll back to the territory of the Kursk, Belgorod and Rostov regions.

      It seems to me that until Putin understands what is now " Not thirty-seven", and the period is probably even more obscure, historically a turning point - not a damn thing will change ...
      1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 4 October 2022 23: 45
        0
        in this state of affairs at the front, how not to be in the era of World War 1
    3. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 4 October 2022 14: 10
      +4
      This trick won't work. It seems that the magic figure of 300 is easily explained - this is as much as the mobile system of the modern Russian Federation can digest at a time ... Pay attention - approximately as many are called up every half a year. Even the autumn call was pushed back. So - at once we are simply not able to mobilize a million .. Alas. For the Soviet system - was destroyed as a result of the type of reforms, mass conscription was not planned, as we were told - only contract soldiers will fight .. Well, well .. And - this is the result. However, what kind of reforms over the past 000 years have gone for the benefit of Russia and its people? Something doesn't come to mind...
      1. skeptic Offline skeptic
        skeptic 4 October 2022 15: 05
        +4
        Quote from Paul3390
        It seems that the magic figure of 300 is easily explained - this is as much as the mobile system of the modern Russian Federation can digest at a time ... Pay attention - approximately as many are called up every half a year. Even the autumn call was pushed back.

        Well, if you take into account Gurulev's article about the "disappearance of 1,5 million sets of military uniforms, then the reason is simple - there is nothing corny to wear a larger number of mobilized. That's why the "lafa" with a delay, for recruits. It's just that these sets were attributed, but with the proceeds ... The most important thing is that all this will be overwritten by those who are "in the know."
        What is not attributed is pushed through online stores. And again, silence.
        1. Corsair Offline Corsair
          Corsair (DNR) 4 October 2022 15: 25
          +5
          Quote: skeptic
          What is not attributed is pushed through online stores. And again, silence.

          A small but remarkable "nuance" regarding sales of uniforms and equipment through online stores:

          In the year 18-19 commercials, while still serving under a contract, he tried to buy uniforms and equipment in Russia.

          Aha yes - balalaika, on the entire separatist muzzle laughing
          IT IS FORBIDDEN to sell "to the conflict zone" any of the things supplied to the RF Armed Forces.

          Even underpants fellow laughing

          But at the same time, these "pixel" shorts were somehow even given out to us.
          Yes, and "unloading" - "machine gunner-scout" was issued by the Russian, army ...
      2. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 4 October 2022 15: 38
        -3
        and what kind of reforms over the past 30 years have gone for the benefit of Russia and its people? Something doesn't come to mind...

        It’s not worth it to indiscriminately smear everything with black paint.

        housing construction - just since 2014, the annual volumes of the times of the RSFSR have been exceeded.

        agriculture - 100 million tons of grain in the RSFSR were a rarity, such a maximum of 3 years was collected in a row (at the end of the 197s).
        Now it is either the 7th or the 8th year in a row 100+ million tons, the 5th or 6th - 115+ million tons.

        well modernized oil refining, raising the depth from 67 to 84%
        gas processing - the production of base polymers has multiplied.

        Even 8 months ago, one could be proud of the success in the localization of imported consumer goods.
        Now this industry is going through an acute crisis, but in general, after 8 months of sanctions, the civilian economy is holding up much better than our overseas partners expected.
        1. Alexander Tutunenko (Alexander Tutunenko) 8 October 2022 02: 06
          0
          Rosstat will also draw not such figures. Only the clinical believe in it.
      3. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 4 October 2022 23: 49
        0
        Well, how can you not remember that, in a year, life expectancy was increased twice, although at the same time the retirement age was raised ...
    4. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 4 October 2022 14: 54
      0
      Quote: Gritsa
      Before it's too late, it is necessary to start the second wave of mobilization - 500 thousand.

      Don't you think that those who organized such an NWO are more interested in the defeat of Russia? It seems that at first, the "invasion" under the foreign media about the "Aggression of Russia" (for the whole world, this is how it is perceived), and the fate of the people of Donbass, its victims, went to the tenth plan. Then "waging war", at the pace of providing Ukraine with all the potential opportunities for arming and training personnel. The constant chatter of the lamp-bearer "about the grandiose defeats of the enemy." Then, inexplicable by normal logic, "regrouping", with the surrender of the population who believed in Russia. Now "mobilization", with a bunch of videos taken out to the field, mobilized, without grub, a roof over their heads ... What is this? And the "exchange" of the crowd of Nazis and their commanders for 55 people. And it seems that this was started to rescue the godfather.
      Unfortunately, there are too many unanswered questions.
    5. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
      Vox_Populi (vox populi) 4 October 2022 19: 40
      +1
      Before it's too late, it is necessary to start the second wave of mobilization - thousands to 500

      Alexander, are you or your close relatives participants in the first wave or will you go to the second? Or is it purely theoretical, so to speak?! winked
  2. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 4 October 2022 13: 55
    +1
    History teaches that it teaches nothing. The Russo-Japanese war was also thought to be "small and victorious", but it became the prologue to the collapse of the Russian monarchy. If the Kremlin does not understand this, then the meeting with reality will be all the more terrible for them.
    And for the Commander-in-Chief, for a start, it would be nice to disperse the camarilla crowding around him, singing "everything is fine, beautiful marquise" and get acquainted with the REAL state of affairs, and not with the gloss that is slipped to him, cutting off all the unpleasant moments so as not to upset the leadership.
  3. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 4 October 2022 14: 00
    +3
    Quote: Corsair
    Quote: Gritsa
    Before it's too late, it is necessary to start the second wave of mobilization - thousands to 500

    So, so ... And now, let's try to understand - do we need a contract army (at least in the form it is now), which simply "does not pull" even the NWO?

    What is the general number of "double basses" that they are simply not enough?

    Yes, probably, an assessment of the activities of the "menagers", who are throwing dust in the eyes of the "New Army of Russia", also needs to be given, and urgently, on an emergency basis, straighten everything out - change "devoted/necessary people" to "reasonable/responsible people", change concepts, approaches..

    And toughen responsibility according to wartime.

    Too late, my friend, too late to drink Borjomi. The rapiered "compact, but exceptionally well-equipped and trained contract army", which, as its apologists promised, would disperse the conscript army with dirty towels, has done its best. It turns out that the mobilized are able to fight no worse than the vaunted contractors.
    But for some reason they do not take by the nostrils those who promoted this "compact army" with particular zeal.
  4. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 4 October 2022 14: 14
    +2
    Over the previous years, while the Minsk agreements were in effect, the Kyiv regime drove about 700 military personnel through the ATO zone.

    And they didn't make a secret of it.
    But for some reason it turned out to be an absolute surprise for our supreme leadership,
    which for some reason expected that our troops would be met like in the Crimea in 2014.
    This is actually the most important joint, the rest are derivatives of it.

    Secondly, in their actions on the battlefield, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard are not limited by anything at all.

    They are limited to 2014 borders.
    On the territory of the Russian Federation-2013 and even in the Crimea, the Haimars do not hit, although the range allows.
    so far limited.
    but they could have hit both civilian infrastructure (which the author calls for), and the VKS bases.

    in the information war, Ukraine has long utterly defeated Russia

    Well, ours did 90% of the work for them.
    If they had waited for the invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the LDNR (as they had waited for the start of Operation Citadel in 1943), there would have been a radically different information background.

    the factor of Western armaments, the flow of which is constantly increasing, is increasingly affecting.

    Which is completely predictable.

    It’s scary to think what will happen when Ukrainian pilots, after retraining, get into F-15 and F-16 fighters, and NATO air defense finally closes the sky for the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    Think about it.
    Before calling for the bombing of civilian targets (which can become mutual at any moment) and the recruitment of herds of reservists.
    Thermal imaging sights alone (which will not be given to reservists, and which NATO has)
    at night will make our fighters easy unanswered targets.

    And also at the expense of calls to massively bomb the rear - it looks like the bombing is over.
    Do not even try to bomb the advancing groups in the frontline zone - smash them with artillery.
    And how to bomb the rear?
    Missiles - they are few and expensive, where even the repair of a bridge or a cement plant.
    And throwing cheap bombs from aircraft does not allow air defense.
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 4 October 2022 14: 57
      +8
      Quote from Nelton.
      And they didn't make a secret of it.
      But for some reason it turned out to be an absolute surprise for our supreme leadership,

      Yours, and more recently our leadership, kept us, the militias, and then the LPR and DPR contract soldiers on a leash for eight years (!!!), forcing us to stupidly pretend to be targets, while they themselves "optyopyvali" failed "Minsk".

      And this, instead of adequately arming us, "drive" us through training ...

      And actually - why, if "At the hour of H" it is easier and cheaper to mobilize anyone, putting oblique, blind, hunchbacked under the arm and throwing them at the "Azov", at the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine trained by NATO ...
    2. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 4 October 2022 15: 30
      +7
      Quote from Nelton.
      And how to bomb the rear?
      Missiles - they are few and expensive, where even the repair of a bridge or a cement plant.
      And throwing cheap bombs from aircraft does not allow air defense.

      Wherever you throw it - everywhere a wedge ...

      And in this situation, the leadership of the state is to blame ...

      Of course, you need to answer the age-old Russian question - "What to do?" , but this requires a strong leader of the Stalinist type.
    3. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 5 October 2022 00: 05
      0
      it turns out that it was not without reason that the Minsk agreements were created that lasted 8 years, looking at the realities of the current situation .....
  5. svit55 Offline svit55
    svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 5 October 2022 21: 00
    0
    A complete failure of our intelligence, crests, under the guise of "forced mobilizations," arranged training abroad for those who wanted to study. Both the SVR and the GRU slammed it. And now we wonder how they skillfully apply NATO tactics.
    Mobilization. This is the plugging of holes that our stupid generals allowed without thinking of destroying all lines of communications and communications. Shut up with soldiers. No need to talk about the big LF, before the NWO it was weak to look at the map and ride the curvimeter? Another confirmation of stupidity.
  6. silviu Online silviu
    silviu (Silviu) 6 October 2022 12: 08
    0
    It is desirable to conduct mobilization at approximately the same time with the enemy or earlier, but not much later and even on the eve of winter. Thanks to the lies about big daily victories and downed equipment, it has now turned out in many directions - it would still be possible to stand the night and hold out the day.