The Russian general called for the abandonment of battalion tactical groups in favor of regiments, divisions and entire armies


The partial mobilization currently taking place in Russia can have a great impact on the conduct of a special military operation. But this takes some time. This opinion was expressed by State Duma Deputy, Lieutenant General of the Reserve Andrey Gurulev in his telegram channel.


At the same time, the RF Armed Forces must change the format of participation in combat operations.

It's time to move away from battalion tactical groups, it's time to assemble and work with regiments, brigades, divisions, full-blooded armies. This will not happen all at once, but during October, I suppose, we will come to this

- Gurulev emphasized on the air of the program “Evening with Vladimir Solovyov”.

The lieutenant general believes that it takes about a month to train new combat units out of 300 thousand arriving as part of the mobilization of citizens. Thus, the formed units will be ready for combat operations by November 1.

Taking into account the long distances over which new units will have to be transferred from different parts of Russia, they will arrive at the front line by early December. For example, it takes 20-25 days to transfer combat formations from Chita. Thus, the effect of mobilization will come in about a couple of months.
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  1. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
    Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) 3 October 2022 14: 24
    +4
    Sewed on soap.
    You need to steal and lie less, that's all.
  2. Corsair Offline Corsair
    Corsair (DNR) 3 October 2022 14: 30
    +11
    The lieutenant general believes that it takes about a month to train new combat units out of 300 thousand arriving as part of the mobilization of citizens. Thus, the formed units will be ready for combat operations by November 1.

    And we, the "mobiks" of the DPR, most of which never served in the army, and never received military training - thrown into street fighting in Mariupol after a week of supposedly "preparation" ...

    For this - a separate "thank you" to the bastard leadership of the republic, who plundered the funds allocated by Russia for the training of reservists, and to the Russian curators who looked at it through their fingers.

    Or maybe they were just in the share?

    Someone grabbed, and the nameless "infantry Vanka", with his life cleared Marik from "Azov", from the Nazis and was betrayed when you then so vilely released the war criminals ...
  3. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 3 October 2022 14: 33
    +3
    Immediately there will be communication, intelligence, one shot, one target ...? What's the point?
  4. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 3 October 2022 14: 55
    0
    With modern capabilities of a network of centric communications and mobility and range of weapons, the integration of all means of reconnaissance, supply, etc., brigade-battalion formations are sufficient. Regiments and divisions, when communications, long-range weapons and mobility were not developed, and therefore a division, everything was at hand, and an artillery regiment, armored vehicles, sappers, transport workers and much more. Today, this is only a burden and not the full use of available forces and means. Conclusion: the problem is not in the formations, the problem is not having the necessary technical and other means for modern military operations: a network of centric communications with integrated intelligence, management, supply, etc. ..... There are many things that are missing, therefore it begs to return the old, but this will be a step back, which means a big jump to defeat. To catch up today in terms of weapons and means, parquet generals shuffled by servility and possibly plundered over previous decades ...
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 3 October 2022 15: 51
      0
      The brigade system does not satisfy combat operations. Divisions are needed. But there is no reason to refuse BTG yet.
      A brigade can manage two or three BTGs. Which is clearly not enough. The division can coordinate the actions of six to seven BTGs.
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 3 October 2022 16: 28
        +1
        Replica. It is possible to concentrate ten or twenty BTGs, that is, according to the old corps, communications and mobility allow, and higher headquarters are connected in real time at all levels. Today, possibilities are not limited by structure. And the BTG is more mobile and giving any forces and means is decided instantly. There is no need to return to the archaic of bulky and inactive divisions, with modern capabilities, and it is a mistake. Our generals will not save our generals by changing the signs on the division (which they so violently destroyed about fifteen years ago), cardinal changes are needed in many ways, the main system of the Moscow Region (like many things in the Russian Federation) has become unviable, with the irresponsibility and incompetence of the top.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 3 October 2022 19: 05
          +2
          You will not be able to link 10-20 BTG even with a divisional link. There will not be enough means of communication, logistics, fire support.
          APU uses maps in real time. The Russian army does not yet have such capabilities.
          Changes are needed. Definitely needed. First of all, in the system of the latest means of struggle. Traditionally, the weak point of the Russian army is communications. The second weak point is real-time data. The satellite constellation is weak. The third problem is logistics. Supply.
          Based on the results of 6 months, it is probably necessary to change the structure of departments. But this can be more precisely said not even in the Moscow Region, but by combat commanders from the front line. They see better.

          PS After the Finnish war, the All-Army Conference was held. At which they listened to the opinion of the commanders. And most importantly, they decided to reorganize the army.
          1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 4 October 2022 19: 25
            -1
            (Bakhtiar) Everything is possible in today's world with the available technical means and capabilities. Why is this impossible in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, this is to the commander-in-chief, yes, he is on rainbow reports, because the claims are mainly to the RF Ministry of Defense. Yes, there are friends there, we don’t rent our own, but in the end - defeats at the fronts, thousands of corpses of citizens of the Russian Federation .. And what are the conclusions from this story ...
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 4 October 2022 20: 16
              -1
              There is a control limit. This is not even a military area, but a managerial one. Why do leaders have deputies, assistant referents? And the higher the position (that is, the greater the range of tasks), the more assistants. And the more phones he has on the table.
              Now let's move on to the military area. Since I am not a specialist, I will ask the question: what means of communication are there in the brigade? What artillery support units are there in the brigade? Logistics, medical, engineering, air defense? In order to coordinate the actions of several BTGs, the brigade commander must be able to manage and support them. Requesting corps or army support is a waste of time.
              Therefore, the brigade link can coordinate and support the actions of 2-3 BTGs. It won't pull anymore. We discussed this a couple of years ago. I can look for the conclusions of the military. But the point, I think, is clear.
              There are no modern means of control for network-centric wars in the Russian army.

              Perhaps (this is already a job for the MoD and generals with big stars) it will be necessary to conduct a survey of BTG commanders from the battlefield and change the structure of units. Introduce UAV or infantry support squads into them.

              PS Again digression into history. What to do? The first German tank divisions had 400 tanks. Two tank brigades. According to the results of the Polish and French companies, they were reorganized and they began to have one tank brigade. Only 200 tanks. The reason is banal. Divisional commanders were unable to command two brigades. There was a lack of communication and support. Infantry and artillery. So the problem is as old as the army itself.
              1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 5 October 2022 19: 25
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                Divisional commanders were unable to command two brigades.

                You’re talking the sweetest nonsense, in a division there are 4-5 separate units, regiments and a bunch of other units, so there are even more separate military units than two mobile units, brigades ... Communication and computer support is now very advanced (I don’t mean MO The Russian Federation with the glazed eyes of the head of the General Staff, who was taught 30 years ago, stopped there). But our generals, to whom the main thing is to agree with the authorities, is such an outrageous fantasy of the future. So it’s clear that Shoigu and his team, who have sat for a decade and were noted only by the failure of rearmament, will not do anything worthwhile, there is nothing even to dream of modern combat control. Armament is a separate topic, just as hopeless ... Conclusion: BTG at the present stage of development of the construction of the armed forces meets the requirements of the time .. Exceptions: due to the backwardness and incompetence of the leadership and command of the RF Armed Forces, BTG cannot be controlled effectively enough, therefore the outdated divisional structure can only correspond to the level of conservatism of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ...
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 October 2022 21: 01
                  -1
                  As for nonsense...
                  The opinion of the German General Staff regarding the structure of the so-called. The bottom line is that for 8 tank battalions there were 4 infantry and an artillery regiment of 36 guns. It was possible to form 4 battle groups, but there was not enough artillery to support them. In practice, the division commander formed 2-3 battle groups, and the second brigade was pulled apart for secondary tasks. There was also a lack of means of communication. Therefore, it was considered expedient to have 4 tank battalions and 8 infantry battalions in the division. And add howitzer artillery.

                  In 1942, the formation of tank armies began in the USSR. In contrast to the monsters of the mechanized corps in 1032 tanks, it was decided to have 300-400 tanks in the TA and strengthen the infantry component.
                  On the recommendation of the GABTU, in addition to the tank corps, it was decided to include a separate tank brigade in the TA. For solving auxiliary tasks.
                  The flexibility of control primarily depends on the means of communication.

                  Now essentially BTG. If you carefully read my first post, I wrote that BTG is very necessary. I also wrote that they should be controlled precisely by the divisional link. The brigade link does not have enough resources to manage a large number of BTGs. The brigade does not have so many means of communication, artillery, repair units, and logistics.

                  Again excursion into history. What to do, I do not know the structure of a modern brigade or division. But there is plenty of information on the divisions of the Wehrmacht. So 200 tanks, 8 infantry battalions, an artillery regiment of 36 guns. These are combat units. Maximum 6-7 thousand people. And the number of TD Wehrmacht 14 thousand people. What did 7-8 thousand people do? Surely they didn’t beat the buckets. These are transport, supply, sapper battalion, repairs, sanitation. And a bunch of other things that are not in the brigade.

                  My opinion is not a military person. But, who is a little familiar with the control technique. The effectiveness of the BTG can only be determined by field commanders who directly commanded these units. The brigade will not be able to coordinate the actions of a large number of BTGs. This can only be done by a divisional link. Therefore, the formation of divisions and corps instead of brigades seems promising. Again, the final decision can only be made by those who actually participated in the battles. Here we can only express our opinion.
          2. DO Offline DO
            DO (Dmitriy) 4 October 2022 20: 17
            +1
            Bakhtiyar, yes, the Russian army should not be embarrassed to use the organizational and technical experience of the American army, which has been technologically advanced and has been fighting a lot in recent decades, according to the patterns of which the Armed Forces of Ukraine are organized and trained today. Of course, while critically considering it, and introducing it into the Russian army, taking into account its realities and traditions, in accordance with scenarios of a hypothetical (but very likely) escalation of the conflict with NATO. First of all, taking into account the experience of the NWO, and the opinions of the bearers of this experience, field commanders.
            If there are not enough technical means for this, purchase them in the required quantities from imports. To optimize the supply, introduce digital technologies that are first used in production, for example, the 1C network.
            And all this must be done right now, because the last failures of the Russian army in the NMD should not be repeated.
    2. Avtandil Gorshkov (Avtandil Gorshkov) 3 October 2022 16: 43
      0
      Correctly. Especially the last paragraph.
  5. Avtandil Gorshkov (Avtandil Gorshkov) 3 October 2022 16: 41
    +1
    He sits in the State Duma, he is not responsible for anything. Is it bad. It's time for him to lead by example. He allegedly served, rose to the general. We have the same big specialist sitting there by the name of Wasserman. In 1941, Pavlov was sentenced to death. And immediately everyone realized that the punishment is inevitable. The criminal case was closed instead of being expelled from the RF Armed Forces. having such careerists in the army, why wait for success. It is the fighters who lay down their bones for the truth, and some parquet generals from the State Duma argue. Ramzan Kadyrov is right.
  6. Rusa Offline Rusa
    Rusa 3 October 2022 17: 19
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    The transfer of Russian troops, for example, to Kazakhstan at the beginning of the year showed that 20-25 days is bullshit, it can be much earlier. Especially if civil aviation is involved in the transfer of the military, which, in view of the sanctions, is now an order of magnitude less busy. In addition, there is the Sea of ​​Azov, the Black Sea, the Crimean Bridge, land rail and road transport links with Novorossia and the Kharkov region.
    It is only necessary for the officials of the government of the Russian Federation and the Moscow Region to learn how to work the way the Stalinist people's commissars worked, and if they cannot, then urgently replace them.
  7. South North Offline South North
    South North (don ost) 3 October 2022 19: 04
    0
    Gurulev well done
    Zhukov is his last name
    there is no political solution
    tobish of the responsible commander in chief
    1. prior Offline prior
      prior (Vlad) 4 October 2022 09: 27
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      I would "shave" all such "gurulevs" to the front line, let them threaten and wave their sabers there.
      Sense from their rear chatter.
      All power from one "gurulyovyh". It thrived like cockroaches.
  8. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 4 October 2022 00: 23
    +1
    Oh Joseph .. how we miss you! The "Augean stables" are overcrowded - and there is no one to give the order \ to remove the shit \ to give ..