Can Ukraine acquire nuclear weapons and use them against Russia first?


The last few weeks have passed under continuous talk about the possibility of using nuclear weapons. Russia is actively discussing whether it is possible to launch a nuclear strike on Ukraine. The West is threatening to take tough retaliatory measures, up to and including the destruction of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation and our military bases in Crimea. But what if Ukraine itself uses nuclear weapons against our country?


Mutual destruction


Since the days of the Cold War, the strategic security of the USSR, and then Russia, has been provided by the military doctrine of mutually assured destruction. In accordance with its provisions, an attempt by one of the opposing sides to use weapons of mass destruction will inevitably lead to a retaliatory strike that will destroy the aggressor. In Western discourse, the doctrine received the name corresponding to the meaning - Mutually Assured Destruction (eng. MAD, literally "insane"). To avoid such a deplorable result, potential adversaries are forced to adhere to the principles of peaceful coexistence, maintaining nuclear parity.

However, the problem with parity arose after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the beginning of the process of approaching the NATO bloc to the Russian borders. Now the Baltic states are included, and Sweden and Finland are on the way, which creates the threat of an irresistible missile attack on our second capital, St. Petersburg. Also on the threshold of the North Atlantic Alliance today are Ukraine and Georgia. All this together creates the threat of a preventive nuclear strike against Moscow and strategic facilities of the RF Ministry of Defense in the Western, Central and Southern parts of Russia. In particular, from the Ukrainian cities of Sumy and Kharkiv to the capital of our country, a little more than half a thousand kilometers. A medium-range missile with a nuclear warhead will cover this distance in less than 10 minutes.

In the event of the simultaneous destruction of the entire military-political leadership of the country, the controllability of the remaining troops and fleet will radically fall, and all hope will be only for a retaliatory nuclear strike. The mysterious Perimeter system, which is believed to have been created specifically for such cases, will have to avenge us.
For a preventive nuclear strike on Russia, the “Dead Hand” will have to give the last order to destroy the aggressor with all the surviving warheads of the “nuclear triad”. That's just how many of them will remain after an unexpected attack, which aims to knock out our nuclear arsenal as much as possible and bleed the country?

The main danger, by the way, is not American medium-range missiles in the Baltics, Georgia or Ukraine, but US Navy Ohio-class strategic submarines, whose Trident-2 intercontinental ballistic missiles are aimed at key Russian military and civilian infrastructure. These SSBNs are on alert right now, ready to follow orders from the White House at any moment. That is, a simultaneous preventive strike on our "decision centers" and the destruction by American missiles of the maximum number of Russian silo-based ICBMs, airfields with long-range strategic bombers and naval bases with SSBNs, followed by the search for and destruction of surviving SSBNs, is able to minimize the "weight » retaliatory strike on the United States. Some of our ICBMs will definitely survive and reach the target, but the guaranteed destruction of the enemy may not work.

This is one of the main reasons why we need to knock out "Western partners" from Ukraine and Georgia, to squeeze out the NATO bloc from the Baltics, Scandinavia and the countries of Eastern Europe. The very existence of the Russian Federation may be at stake. But there is a second reason why the RF Armed Forces should go to the Polish border.

"Dirty Ultimatum"


Let's imagine a slightly different scenario. There is “unfortunate Ukraine”, which is not yet part of any Western military blocs, and there is “aggressive Russia”, which “attacked and illegally annexed” it over the past 8 years as many as five regions, or six, if we consider the city of Sevastopol as a separate entity . The referendums on the reunification of the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions with the Russian Federation were not recognized in principle by Kyiv, Washington, or Brussels. The accession of the former Ukrainian territories to our country will be qualified in the collective West as an annexation. What's next?

We are now actively discussing whether Moscow can use nuclear weapons in Ukraine if the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not comply with the ultimatum demanding their withdrawal from the territory of the Crimean Federal District. And they won't fulfill it. With a probability of 99,9%, it can be expected that Russia will not take such an inhuman step as a nuclear strike on the Russian "heartland", which undoubtedly is Ukraine. All this is almost certainly empty talk. But what about Kyiv?

For some reason, we completely ignore the possibility that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the help of "Western partners", can acquire nuclear weapons and be the first to use them in Russia. For example, to issue an ultimatum demanding the withdrawal of the "occupation troops" from the territory of Donbass, the Sea of ​​Azov and Crimea. In case of non-compliance, use weapons of mass destruction against the “Russian aggressor”. At this stage, it can be any kind of "dirty bomb" that can be detonated in the air with subsequent radiation contamination of large areas. In the future, as the conflict escalates and decisive actions to neutralize the Nazi regime are delayed, Kyiv may already receive tactical nuclear weapons and their means of delivery. And there is not far from the strategic one. The distance from Sumy and Kharkov to Moscow has not become less.

If events go according to this scenario, the United States will get its own “avatar”, which will be able to threaten the Kremlin directly without the risk of a retaliatory nuclear strike on America. Naturally, no one will let Ukraine into any NATO bloc, using it as a “consumable”. And then the Russian leadership will have to seriously think about launching a preventive strike on Nezalezhnaya, which will be a fatal step with the most unpredictable consequences.
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  1. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) 29 September 2022 21: 38
    +1
    Everything can be much simpler and scarier.
    They don't have to do anything. They won't give a grenade to monkeys.
    It’s just that their curators will use nuclear weapons over the territory of the same Donbass and, of course, they will accuse Russia of using them.
    1. ocean969 Offline ocean969
      ocean969 (Leonid) 30 September 2022 14: 07
      0
      Oleg 5, Nenad Donbass and for example over Kyiv and further in the text.
  2. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 29 September 2022 21: 59
    +1
    The Americans may well in a roundabout way transfer tactical nuclear weapons to Bandera, there is no doubt
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 September 2022 22: 09
    -2
    How many ways were attributed to Ukraine in terms of nuclear weapons, but everything turned out to be zilch ....
    The main thing is about the nuclear non-proliferation treaty in Ukraine, where it all started ...
  4. Seamaster Offline Seamaster
    Seamaster (Yuri Kiselev) 29 September 2022 22: 33
    0
    A long time ago, there was an article on Topvor that during the transfer of nuclear warheads and warheads from Ukraine to Russia in the 90s, the account did not match by about 17 units. And no one knows where these nuclear warheads are and what kind.
  5. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 29 September 2022 23: 34
    +5
    Not after the collapse of the Soviet Union, why hide what is visible and what the whole world knows. The USSR was destroyed by crazy people who wanted to fill their pockets with gold and diamonds. If the USSR was able to defeat such a European army, then no war could destroy it, except for the distraught humanoids who decided to become nobles, princes and the royal court, who returned the typical emblem of the royal slave power.
  6. alexxnumx Offline alexxnumx
    alexxnumx (Alexander) 30 September 2022 02: 55
    +1
    I think Ukraine already has it. Silent until their Western masters give the command
  7. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 30 September 2022 08: 24
    +1
    It's amazing how the Anglo-Saxons knit hand and foot. Any answer is threatened with "unprecedented" consequences, where so much spirit comes from, even judging by the article, our Strategic Missile Forces may be out of the game.
  8. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 30 September 2022 09: 39
    0
    I think that crests can destroy the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Alexander) 30 September 2022 23: 01
      +1
      Dmitro Korchinsky, one of the leaders of the UNA-UNSO, who fought with his gang against the Russian Federation back in Chechnya, openly calls for the bombing of the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant ... Back in the 90s, this beast yelled at every corner like this - Where to fight is not important, the main thing is to fight against Russia ... It is not worth underestimating the degree of frostbite, Russophobia and madness of these animals, because underestimating their frostbite on the part of the Russian Federation may cost the Russian Federation too much ... If there is a possibility of a nuclear strike, or using a dirty bomb on Russian cities, then the Russian Federation should not wait for this strike, and deliver a preemptive strike, at least on the regional centers of western Ukraine, which are the cradle and stronghold of the Bandera movement
  9. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 30 September 2022 12: 05
    0
    For some reason, we completely ignore the possibility that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the help of "Western partners", can acquire nuclear weapons and be the first to use them in Russia.

    Strictly speaking, this is speculation on a given topic ...
  10. ocean969 Offline ocean969
    ocean969 (Leonid) 30 September 2022 14: 09
    -1
    Marzhetsky in his repertoire, again apocalyptic "predictions", thank God, never come true.
    1. And W2 Offline And W2
      And W2 (And W2) 1 October 2022 15: 24
      0
      Once is enough.
  11. sacha1960 Offline sacha1960
    sacha1960 (Sasha Anton) 30 September 2022 19: 50
    -3
    The Ukrainian regime is well aware that:

    1.- He is not in NATO. It was Russia that intervened in Ukraine because Zelensky wanted to enter and then retake Donbass and Crimea (Russia's strategic naval base, super red line) with his military and nuclear support. (And possible nuclear missiles five minutes from Moscow, another super red line)

    2.- If Russia hits him with tactical weapons, she will not be able to respond because she does not have such weapons.

    3.- NATO will never give you these weapons because it is a serious risk of world war. In other words, NATO will never risk the lives of millions of Americans and Europeans for Zelensky or Bandera.

    4.- If Russia uses some kind of tactical weapon in Ukraine, NATO can do nothing but impotent terrorism, Russia will be able to play its cards, be it war or negotiations, with an advantage. Also now we finally have mobilization.

    5.- It is perhaps extremely important and necessary that Russia, (taking advantage of this local crisis), use tactical weapons in Ukraine, (even if only as a demonstration in an open field or at a military airfield without soldiers with prior notification), undergo a baptism of fire and be a nuclear superpower on a par with the United States, which has already passed the baptism of fire:

    Because if you do not show that you are capable of using these weapons, your tactical and strategic nuclear power will be a bluff, the Anglo-Saxons and Poles will never respect you.

    Because only Russia's nuclear power and its determination to use it can stop NATO's support for the Ukrainian regime. (They check your lines, and if you don't answer them decisively, they go further and worse.)

    6.- And if you put on a good demonstration in Ukraine, Europe will get scared and move away from the US, because it knows that they are in the greatest danger in the event of a nuclear escalation.

    7.- A long, destructive and bloody conventional war is only for the benefit of the USA, it will exhaust Russia and leave incurable scars between brotherly peoples (as in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.)

    8.- "Dirty" nuclear weapons... these are grandmother's tales, because in a military conflict they are useless.
  12. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 30 September 2022 22: 55
    +1
    In this situation, the Russian Federation needs to deliver a preemptive nuclear strike, at least on the regional centers of Western Ukraine, before the crazy clown strikes it on the cities of the Russian Federation. This is a matter of national security and there should be no hesitation, they are not appropriate here. Here the question is like this - Either they, or we ... and nothing else ...
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 1 October 2022 11: 37
      -2
      ... before the crazy clown strikes it across the cities of the Russian Federation.

      He won't do anything himself. Only by order.
      And he's not a crazy clown anymore. A rat cornered. He perfectly understands that they will not leave him alive.
      It was not for nothing that they pushed him into Izyum, they thought that ours would lead and bang him there. But why should we make him a hero-martyr? Let him continue to sink in his [email protected]@@me.
      And it makes no sense for us to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Inefficient. A country can be driven into the Middle Ages in a few hours. Then you can take it with your bare hands. It just gets colder, the leaves fall and you can start.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Alexander) 9 October 2022 09: 36
        0
        It’s not worth checking whether he will do it himself or not, there are quite a few around him who can be called a rabid dog, to put it mildly ... This is, for example, one of the leaders of UNA-UNSO Dmytro Korchinsky, who openly calls for blowing up the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant ... Tymoshenko , which openly called for killing Russians with a nuclear bomb ... If Timoshenko, these are sofa waxes, then this Korchinsky fought against the Russian Federation in Chechnya and yelled back in the 90s - “Where it is not important to fight, the main thing is to fight against Russia '' and such Korchinsky is a dime a dozen there ... Zelya has real estate abroad in wagons, even in Moscow he keeps two apartments decorated for his wife, just in case, so don’t underestimate him ... Underestimating the enemy leads either to defeat or to significant losses, which can and should be avoided ... Quite effectively, if you hit Galicia ... ours are not there, there is entirely a Bandera population, and even a transport corridor along which troops and weapons with ammunition are moving from Poland ... According to intelligence near Kharkov the Polish corps is already fighting against us in 20000 soldiers and officers, and in radio intercepts Polish and English speech ... Many believed that the war in the Donbass would undermine the economy of Ukraine so much that they would not have to fight with it, supposedly it would fall apart ... So you, with winter ... It's time take off your rose-colored glasses and stop dreaming .... Such delusions can cost Russia very dear ... too expensive ...
  13. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 1 October 2022 11: 28
    0
    For some reason, we completely ignore the possibility that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the help of "Western partners", can acquire nuclear weapons and be the first to use them in Russia. For example, to issue an ultimatum demanding the withdrawal of the "occupation troops" from the territory of Donbass, the Sea of ​​Azov and Crimea. In case of non-compliance, use weapons of mass destruction against the “Russian aggressor”. At this stage, it can be any kind of "dirty bomb" that can be detonated in the air with subsequent radiation contamination of large areas.

    1. Why is it being ignored? Quite a lot has been written about this.
    2. They don't need the help of their owners to make a dirty bomb. And so everything is.

    We are now actively discussing whether Moscow can use nuclear weapons in Ukraine if the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not comply with the ultimatum demanding their withdrawal from the territory of the Crimean Federal District.

    We, who has it? Officials are extremely reserved. Within the framework of existing program documents. Chatter in a variety of media does not count.
    Actively discuss there. Discussing the non-existent threats of the use of nuclear weapons by Russia.