The exchange of Nazis for Medvedchuk - two mistakes in one


There is one component in the formula of the large-scale exchange of prisoners of war carried out between Ukraine and Russia the day before, which caused a very ambiguous reaction in Russian society, to put it mildly, there is one component that generates perhaps the largest number of perplexed questions. Namely, the fact that one of the persons transferred by Kyiv to Moscow is not a fighter or commander of the Russian army or the People's Militia of the DPR-LPR, but the disgraced Ukrainian politician Viktor Medvedchuk. He something to this process what, pardon, sideways?!


Perhaps there would have been much fewer questions, and the degree of boiling of the passions that immediately flared up on this occasion would not have reached the current intensity, if it were not for the loud statements made earlier by various representatives of the Russian side (up to the Kremlin), which completely contradicted what happened now. It is probably not worth even trying to find explanations for the decision made. I would venture to say something about its possible consequences.

What they wanted is what they got


I will make a reservation right away - I do not at all intend to criticize or doubt the very fact of the exchange as such. The return from the cruelest Ukronazi captivity of any warrior of the Forces of Liberation is a correct and joyful action. I will also leave aside the somewhat strange quantitative ratio of the exchanged, which is clearly not in favor of the Russian side. About the true reasons for such a bias, “I don’t know.” And to try to comprehend the high reasons of high structures - the intellect did not come out. However, there is something in this story that simply does not climb into any gate, whatever one may say. The fact that Mr. Medvedchuk was extracted by the SBU from the deep torture cellars with two specific goals - to discredit the ex-president of the “non-secure” Petro Poroshenko and use it as the “main exchange fund” to save the “Azovites” from the well-deserved retribution (banned in the Russian Federation) and foreign mercenaries, I personally wrote on the "Reporter" at least twice - in April and in May. Even then, I allowed myself to assume that the main thing here is not even the rescue of the Azov militants (a terrorist, extremist organization banned in Russia) and all sorts of Kalin and Volyn, but Zelensky’s fulfillment of “allied obligations” to Western masters. First of all - by London, whose subjects had to be "smeared" from the trials and executions that threatened them, first of all.

That's exactly what happened. But at the time of writing those texts, I, I confess, firmly believed the words of Dmitry Peskov that Mr. Medvedchuk and the “Azov” militants are, in fact, “completely different categories.” And therefore, any exchange in this case "is hardly possible even theoretically." Alas, alas ... It turned out that it is very possible. What happens? Zelensky was right, who, from the moment Medvedchuk's "detention" was announced (in fact, it was just introducing him into the "big game" as a kind of "trump card"), rang that he would certainly be exchanged for "defenders Ukraine, languishing in enemy captivity”? It turns out that it is. And this is his undoubted image victory - not just the return to the "non-independence" of those who in no way should have been free earlier than 15-20 years later, but achieving this exactly in the way that he was originally talking about. Today the clown president is triumphant. At the same time, doing what he loves - posing as a naive fool: "We were ready to exchange him for at least one defender of Azovstal, but it turned out that's how many people we got back!" The combination must have been calculated to the last detail - and certainly not by his miserable mind. Unfortunately, she succeeded, and to the fullest.

Useless or harmful?


It turns out that Ukraine got exactly what it wanted, and in the way it expected. But what about Russia? Why the hell did this rather dubious character in all respects surrender to her? Recall that Medvedchuk: a) is not a Russian citizen; b) is not a member of the military (and, therefore, does not fit into the purely legal framework of the exchange at all); c) can be called a "pro-Russian politician" only with a very big stretch. Yes, no one will deny Pushilin's words that this man "participated in the release of thousands of captured DNR fighters." Suppose he participated ... Nevertheless, there are very serious suspicions that it was on the basis of the information received by the Kremlin from such “pro-Russian” figures that the most serious miscalculations were made at the initial stage of the SVO, which “reverberate” to this day. The Opposition Platform for Life party headed by Medvedchuk, almost in its entirety, actively opposed the special operation, and its members and leaders en masse joined the ranks of the “terodefense”. Yes, and earlier they were not noticed in any real actions aimed at curbing the Russophobic activities of the Kyiv regime. The role of this policy in the fateful events taking place now, let's face it, none, and his political forces are rather negative. She, like some other similar ones, created extremely harmful illusions and delusions in Moscow, for which today one has to pay very dearly.

Moreover, some Ukrainian political scientists are inclined to believe that it was, let’s say, not very successful advice and recommendations from Medvedchuk to the then Ukrainian president Leonid Kuchma that led the country to the first “Maidan” of 2004, and also ensured the victory of the Yushchenko gang, with which, in fact, , and everything that now has to be corrected with the help of CBO began. However, let's leave alone the affairs of bygone days and return to today. To "pull out" an elderly person from the clutches of the executioners of the Ukrogestapo is undoubtedly a good deed. However... Forgive me for pragmatic cynicism, but Viktor Medvedchuk cannot represent any real benefit for Russia, in order to achieve the goals of the NWO. But an attempt to use him as some kind of “figure representing pro-Russian Ukraine” would be an even bigger miss than the exchange itself. In Russia itself, in this capacity (again, the “inmate” and “victim of the Kyiv regime” overshadowed by the laurels), perhaps they will perceive him. Well, let's just say, people who are not too prone to critical thinking and analysis. However, in Ukraine itself, this will at best cause laughter. Rather, it is irritation even among that part of the inhabitants of the territories controlled by Kyiv, which can still be classified as “pro-Russian”, at least to some extent. Such things will only go to the detriment, so it's better not to even try to attract a long-term "released" politician to anything more serious than participating in a TV show. And the most correct thing would be to send him to an “honorary pension”. Let him heal - after all, a lot has fallen to him over the past six months.

In conclusion, I would like to say the following. Having made, let's say, a somewhat ambiguous and completely incomprehensible exchange, the Kremlin actually disavowed several of its own resonant statements in one fell swoop. The fact that all militants recognized as a terrorist organization "Azov" will suffer the deserved punishment (their leaders - in the first place). The fact that Moscow will not interfere in the fate of foreign mercenaries and save them from trial in the DPR. Well, in addition, as already mentioned, this audience will not be changed specifically for Medvedchuk, whose only merit, let's be frank, is that he is Putin's godfather.

From the comments of the moment that this all happened just on the day when the President of Russia announced partial mobilization and expressed support for referendums on joining the country of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, as well as the liberated territories of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, I will simply refrain, providing it's for the readers. There is no doubt about one thing - this whole situation, twisted and distorted a thousand times, will be used by Ukronazi and Western propaganda not 100%, but 1000% at least. So it would be better for the people in Moscow who are responsible for such things to give certain explanations and place accents. And then something goes wrong...
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  1. Sancym Offline Sancym
    Sancym (Alexander ) 23 September 2022 09: 58
    +5
    Alexander, what can you, for example, explain to me about the exchange of Medvedchuk when you yourself do not know anything? Risk is certainly a noble cause, but the risk must be based on knowledge!
  2. Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 23 September 2022 10: 02
    -4
    And if Medvedchuk is in the status of a scout?
    1. reader Offline reader
      reader (BTB) 23 September 2022 11: 53
      +3
      godfather and part-time scout)))
  3. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 23 September 2022 10: 04
    +4
    that one of the persons transferred by Kyiv to Moscow is not a fighter or commander of the Russian army or the People's Militia of the DPR-LPR, but the disgraced Ukrainian politician Viktor Medvedchuk. He something to this process what, pardon, sideways?!

    Remember the proverb of the times of the USSR - "They changed the bully for Luis Carvalan." Why did Moscow need the elderly Karvalan then? Maybe Medvedchuk was needed for this?
    And when Zelensky ordered the “Azovites” to surrender in the spring, apparently further moves were already scheduled ...
    There is a world-wide secret behind-the-scenes war going on, about which we know almost nothing.
    1. Shamil Rasmukhambetov (Shamil Rasmukhambetov) 23 September 2022 10: 29
      0
      I agree to all 100%.
  4. Shamil Rasmukhambetov (Shamil Rasmukhambetov) 23 September 2022 10: 31
    +10
    There is nothing to explain to the Kremlin, but what to say to them is another blah blah.
    1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 24 September 2022 15: 40
      -3
      Why won't the Kremlin explain "why"? He has already explained more than once: "they don't leave their own"... wink "Their"! yes
  5. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 23 September 2022 10: 32
    -3
    And it doesn’t occur to anyone that we, Russia, cannot yet dictate our conditions to Ukraine. When our troops will stand in Kyiv and Lvov, and Zelensky and others will hang on Khreshchatyk, then we will change who we want and in what quantity we want. In the meantime, we have what we have. At least someone was released, and that’s good. Don’t admit the idea that Medvedchuk was imposed on us in order to discredit us ..... There is no need to condemn anyone if you don’t know all the pitfalls.
    1. reader Offline reader
      reader (BTB) 23 September 2022 11: 57
      +12
      With so many mistakes from the very beginning of the SVO of our leadership, and even mistakes not recognized by our leadership, if we continue like this, then our troops are unlikely to be in Kharkov ...
      1. pentwer Offline pentwer
        pentwer (Bakhtiyar) 23 September 2022 23: 53
        0
        And where did you get the idea that these are errors? Very often these are not mistakes, but completely different goals, in my opinion, they are sometimes pursued.
    2. moran Offline moran
      moran (Andrei) 23 September 2022 13: 17
      +6
      If Ukraine itself made decisions. They talk to the shepherd, not to his sheep. But it seems obvious that now outright Nazis will not be captured (they don’t take prisoners with an extra hole in their head). I'm glad that our people are released, but this exchange will not build confidence in those who made this decision.
    3. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 23 September 2022 13: 37
      +10
      but we are not yet in a position to impose our conditions on us. Or is it no longer true? In any case, the exchange should be 1 to 1. And this deal smells bad. Therefore, the authorities do not comment on it in any way, our propagandists do not touch it. And the deputies in the Duma were full of water in their mouths. It looks like there is simply nothing to say to them after the earlier statements made by the authorities. One Kadyrov, as always, said that he was thinking about it.
      1. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 23 September 2022 13: 58
        -1
        It is stupid to change one commander or specialist for a driver ... from a military point of view. From a human point of view, it can be normal ... it's like comparing the importance of a janitor with a surgeon for society.
    4. special correspondent (oleg) Yesterday, 11: 17
      0
      But what, Kyiv dictates its own terms, since Urkov's troops are stationed in Moscow and St. Petersburg, and the inhabitants of the Kremlin "hang on Red Square" ?? Something you completely stumbled in the wrong direction, ... "political scientist" you are ours ...
  6. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 23 September 2022 10: 35
    +16
    Medvedchuk is a Trojan horse. The order will be received from Zelensky for the liberation of the Nazis. who were elevated to a number of national heroes of Ukraine. Russia has gone crazy. Fools or bribe-takers. Complete discredit. mobilization.
    1. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
      Sidor Bodrov 24 September 2022 11: 02
      +3
      And fools or bribe-takers - in one bottle. The irrepressible greed of those in power and those close to them. However, the electorate, with its characteristic indifference, chooses "United Russia" - the "mind, honor and conscience" of our time.
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  8. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 23 September 2022 11: 25
    -11
    In fact, everyone overlooks one important fact. The decree on the exchange was signed personally by Pushilin.
    And the placement of the Nazis in Yelenovka was pushed through by the Ukrainians. I have already written about the difference between the authorities of the LPR and the DPR more than once, I do not want to repeat myself.
    By the way, when an offer to exchange for Medvedchuk was made to Putin, he refused.
    So, Pushilin simply framed Putin. Probably not without personal interest. Medvedchuk can pay so much for himself that it will be difficult to refuse (to the one who was offered). And he could pay not only for himself, but also for the Nazis as a load, so that he himself would be released.
    It will be interesting to see how Putin will treat Medvedchuk.
    1. wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 23 September 2022 15: 43
      +6
      Pushilin, of course, could not sign such an "exchange" without the consent of Putin. But the main role in this decision, of course, belongs to this activist Pushilin. Very suspicious and negative personality. It seems to me that one of the main reasons is the degradation of the DPR army and its helplessness and its inability to push Bandera away from Donetsk for eight months now, precisely in it. It is necessary to drive him and deal with his "activities" as head. So far, everyone sees only his "snot" and constant complaints about the Nazis, that they are not good scoundrels and kill civilians in the DPR. But he cannot protect them and organize the liberation of territories from which the Nazis are shelling cities and towns, and maybe he does not want to. He is not our man if he signed such an exchange. How will he look into the eyes of the military who took Mariupol and its inhabitants, who were left without a roof over their heads, without relatives and friends, killed by these exchanged fascists and mercenaries, who were sentenced to death by the court. It turns out that all these decisions of the court are a farce and are worthless if the Saudi prince or someone else offers compensation for the criminals. Vileness, cynicism and shame. And we still want to defeat Bandera with such figures.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 23 September 2022 18: 10
        -3
        Pushilin, of course, could not sign such an "exchange" without Putin's consent. But the main role in this decision, of course, belongs to this activist Pushilin.

        One thing, or Pushilin or Putin.
        But there is also the role of Erdogan, he is also involved there. Decided to make a fuss. But just at that time the lyre fell rapidly. Previously, it was slowly sinking, but then it suddenly fell off.
        Kadyrov's reaction is also interesting.
      2. Mish Offline Mish
        Mish (Misha) 26 September 2022 08: 14
        0
        Quote: wladimirjankov
        Pushilin, of course, could not sign such an "exchange" without the consent of Putin. But the main role in this decision, of course, belongs to this activist Pushilin. Very suspicious and negative personality. It seems to me that one of the main reasons is the degradation of the DPR army and its helplessness and its inability to push Bandera away from Donetsk for eight months now, precisely in it. It is necessary to drive him and deal with his "activities" as head. So far, everyone sees only his "snot" and constant complaints about the Nazis, that they are not good scoundrels and kill civilians in the DPR. But he cannot protect them and organize the liberation of territories from which the Nazis are shelling cities and towns, and maybe he does not want to. He is not our man if he signed such an exchange. How will he look into the eyes of the military who took Mariupol and its inhabitants, who were left without a roof over their heads, without relatives and friends, killed by these exchanged fascists and mercenaries, who were sentenced to death by the court. It turns out that all these decisions of the court are a farce and are worthless if the Saudi prince or someone else offers compensation for the criminals. Vileness, cynicism and shame. And we still want to defeat Bandera with such figures.

        To throw back the Nazis from Donetsk, what are you doing? The Russian army went on the defensive, what to demand from the DPR army? By the way, only the DPR army is still somehow advancing, a kilometer a day, but now crests are preparing an offensive there too
  9. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 23 September 2022 11: 37
    0
    If the former oligarch is interested in something, then, probably, very carefully ... we will see.
  10. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 23 September 2022 12: 00
    +6
    If Medvedchuk were traded, in order to be hanged, for the results of his activities in the collapse of the Ukrainian opposition and help in strengthening the Nazi regime. But he is a person close to GDP, almost a godfather, and GDP of traitors tried not to offend all his life. In some way they are close to him ...
  11. Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 September 2022 12: 25
    +3
    And this is his undoubted image victory.

    This is not an image. This is a clear victory for Zelensky. And not even on points. Pure knockout.
  12. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 23 September 2022 13: 08
    -3
    They exchanged their 55 people for a hundred Bandera.
    Do we need Bandera? And leave your own at the mercy of Bandera?
    A hundred Bandera is not worth one of our prisoners!
    Medvedchuk's party was one of the leading in Ukraine, and tens of thousands voted for its leader, Medvedchuk, who are those millions whom V.V. Putin spoke of as hating the regime in Ukraine and who are potentially our allies in the war against Bandera. It is not known how the SVO of the Russian Federation in Ukraine will end, and if Medvedchuk remains in Ukrainian politics, it can provide significant assistance in the fight against the dominance of Bandera and nationalists existing in Ukraine, which is why they ransomed them from their dungeons and did absolutely the right thing.
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 23 September 2022 13: 53
      +5
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      ... They exchanged their own and if Medvedchuk remains in Ukrainian politics ... .

      God forbid this should happen, no outlying politicians, especially Medvedchuk, enough of these shifters and the outskirts should not exist
    2. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
      Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 23 September 2022 22: 57
      0
      The rally has passed, we do not abandon our own. There were a lot of people.
      Pushilin, not in words, not in deeds, did not abandon his people.
      He said about Medvedchuk that he facilitated the exchange of thousands of our prisoners and, presumably, this thousand and their relatives should be grateful to him for this, and you?
    3. Mish Offline Mish
      Mish (Misha) 26 September 2022 08: 15
      -1
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      They exchanged their 55 people for a hundred Bandera.
      Do we need Bandera? And leave your own at the mercy of Bandera?
      A hundred Bandera is not worth one of our prisoners!
      Medvedchuk's party was one of the leading in Ukraine, and tens of thousands voted for its leader, Medvedchuk, who are those millions whom V.V. Putin spoke of as hating the regime in Ukraine and who are potentially our allies in the war against Bandera. It is not known how the SVO of the Russian Federation in Ukraine will end, and if Medvedchuk remains in Ukrainian politics, it can provide significant assistance in the fight against the dominance of Bandera and nationalists existing in Ukraine, which is why they ransomed them from their dungeons and did absolutely the right thing.

      so it was necessary to change a person for a person. There are just 200 people of these Azov people.
  13. alakopian Offline alakopian
    alakopian (Albert Akopian) 23 September 2022 13: 11
    0
    The author, a lot of pathos. Medvedchuk made a comeback))) Here the most amusing thing is Zelensky's confession: Medvedchuk "was of no interest to the investigation." Those. The President of Ukraine admitted: Medvedchuk was not a "traitor", his six-month imprisonment was an act of political terror.
    1. Psychedelic Soldier 25 September 2022 00: 40
      -1
      That's right!
  14. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 September 2022 13: 38
    +4
    The author lives, apparently for a long time, in his own world.
    For him - "two mistakes"
    And for the logic of imperialism-everything is true. Oligarch - by definition "OWN"
    "Own" is more valuable than dozens and hundreds of commoners. How many times already.

    But simple people can continue to rub something in, like “Medvedchuk is not ours, we will not change”, “we are not mobilizing”, “the West is lying that we will attack” - dozens of promises that have been puffed up only recently ...
  15. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 23 September 2022 13: 48
    +7
    one can only say that Zelya turned out to be a kid here, and not a clown, and he kept his word, the extraction took place, but someone, on the contrary, turned out to be a balabol clown
  16. ChopChop Offline ChopChop
    ChopChop 23 September 2022 14: 09
    +6
    Ukraine is fulfilling all its declared positions in this war. Offensive - completed, extraction - informational and political success. It seems that our leadership seems to be zombified, following someone's instructions, there is no other way to call it. But we ourselves deserve such guidance. The second time to witness the collapse of your state is something.
  17. Fahrenheit Offline Fahrenheit
    Fahrenheit (Viktor) 23 September 2022 14: 16
    +11
    Most of all, it's a shame that the NWO has been going on for 7 months, and Donetsk, Gorlovka, etc. bombed and bombed even more than before. I wonder if those sitting in the Kremlin are ashamed for this or in a drum. Not my own - no pity ...
  18. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 23 September 2022 14: 16
    +12
    By the way, according to the Daily Telegraph, Abramovich played a key role in the release of British mercenaries, these are Putin's intermediaries. These are not bad boyars, this is the king himself
  19. Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
    Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 23 September 2022 14: 26
    +9
    And all the time Donetsk and Donetsk. Either they fire at him, then a counterattack in his direction, then the Nazi Taira was exchanged, then the commanders of Azov were exchanged, ours are exchanged 1:4. And all this in Donetsk. Luhansk seems to be gone ... Something Mr. Pushilin has a stigma in the cannon, he built a business on the exchange of prisoners, until February 23 on gray smuggling ....
    1. Bakht Online Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 23 September 2022 15: 24
      +2
      If this is Pushilin's initiative, then he definitely deserved to be shot.
  20. Azvozdam Offline Azvozdam
    Azvozdam (Azvozdam) 23 September 2022 16: 18
    +3
    Obviously someone's selfish interests. Reason has limits, stupidity is limitless!
  21. kalita Offline kalita
    kalita (Alexander) 23 September 2022 17: 19
    +1
    He will be prepared for the presidency instead of a drug addict.
  22. bobba94 Offline bobba94
    bobba94 (Vladimir) 23 September 2022 17: 50
    +2
    In 2011, Israel traded captive Corporal Gilad Shalit for 1027 Palestinian militants in Israeli prisons. This is probably why the Israeli army has been periodically hitting all its Arab neighbors on the ears for more than 70 years.
  23. Gravitsapa Offline Gravitsapa
    Gravitsapa (pluck) 23 September 2022 18: 20
    0
    The deductive induction of comments led to the following tasks for "reporters" and topics for reflection: it's time to write about Pushilin and why Donetsk is still under shelling ("is there shelling?")
  24. nikanikolich Offline nikanikolich
    nikanikolich (nikola) 23 September 2022 18: 34
    +6
    Who is this scarecrow? I personally don't need it. His life is of no interest to me. He is a nobody and there is no way to call him. Why did they change? God himself knows. Thank you for the guys who were exchanged. BUT this is just something ...............
  25. Aleksandr_18 Offline Aleksandr_18
    Aleksandr_18 (Alexander ) 23 September 2022 18: 57
    0
    Disgrace. Nothing more to say.
  26. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
    Dart2027 23 September 2022 19: 07
    +4
    And why did everyone get the idea that the exchange was started precisely because of him?
  27. RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) 23 September 2022 19: 53
    +3
    The hucksters pulled out the huckster ... The loot is driving ... Someone doubts this ... DB ...
  28. Electric welder Offline Electric welder
    Electric welder 23 September 2022 20: 27
    +5
    The main soldiers were returned alive
  29. Pavel N Offline Pavel N
    Pavel N (Paul) 23 September 2022 20: 44
    -4
    The article is quite nasty, and almost all the comments are even uglier, it seems that they are written by the SBU for provocations
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  30. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 23 September 2022 21: 04
    +3
    Everything has been said to the point, I fully share the bitterness of what was said!
    I do not quite agree with the final phrase, since the special services all over the world are equally clumsy and live in yesterday. Like, under the guise of such an event as mobilization, shamefully declared partial under the secret 7th paragraph, who cares about Medvedchuk and others like him? In addition, our guys in the amount of several dozen people and so on. - And here is the thing! I personally do not like it, how the exchange that happened smells. Hang the bastards, less of our guys would have died as a result, I think in the end, whenever it happened ((
  31. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 23 September 2022 22: 14
    +3
    It reminds me of a joke about a Jew

    I bought a color TV, but it turned out to be black and white. Let's go to the rabbi to sue. The victim complained about this. But then the seller came forward. He asked the rabbi - tell me, dear, is white a color? Color - answered the rabbi. Rabi, is black a color? Rabbi - black is also a color. So he fools my head, I sold him a color TV.

    This is what happens in Russia. Rulers have everything in color. And when they show a green piece of paper, those who seemed to have taken the money returned to those who sold Russia. And their children can live in peace wherever they want. For for them, their children are much more expensive than all the other gentlemen of the Russians. The money was returned, children in Europe and America, what else do those who make people scream like a donkey need. The ears are large, you can not only hang noodles, but also naval pasta, without meat. You can even hang a fairy tale about ten years of a great life in the future in front of your nose and let them go where Makar drove the calves.
  32. YuriK Offline YuriK
    YuriK (Yuri) 24 September 2022 00: 05
    +6
    Naive, and here Pushilin? This exchange has deprived thinking people who are not indifferent to the fate of Russia of their last illusions. Does anyone else now believe that all these squiggles of the Commander-in-Chief are supported by 80% of the population? And does anyone really think that Putin has some kind of secret knowledge that is inaccessible to mere mortals? Maybe it's time for us to remember the fairy tale about the naked king? And do not accuse me of pouring water on someone else's mill. And to make it clear that I am not a mishandled Cossack, I will ask a few questions to which I, like many, cannot find an answer: why does Ukraine live a peaceful life? Why is there electricity, communication, Internet? why do trains run there? ... continue the list yourself. Are we at war or are we playing war games? Want to please someone, show how white and fluffy we are? At what cost? And who can hear us? We lost the information war for an international audience outright and could not win by definition: the forces are too unequal, and even with such "talents" as Konoshenkov (there are lies, blatant lies, statistics and briefings by Mr. Konoshenkov). Or is the reason something else?
    PS. Let it be later, but still it will be impossible not to ask how it was possible to get into such a mess. Who supplies the Kremlin with information? Who sits in the General Staff and the Ministry of Finance? How could one fail to understand that it is not 2014 and Ukraine is no longer the same, or that our foreign exchange reserves in foreign accounts can be frozen at best? Lots of questions, no answers. But someone has to answer.
    P.P.S. I apologize to those who are too impressionable, but it hurt.
    1. Psychedelic Soldier 24 September 2022 20: 21
      -5
      ... And to make it clear that I am not a mishandled Cossack, I will ask a few questions to which I, like many, cannot find an answer: why does Ukraine live a peaceful life? Why is there electricity, communication, Internet? why do trains run there? ... continue the list yourself. Are we at war or are we playing war?

      You talk like the most ordinary layman - an amateur, not understanding anything in politics, and not to mention the military special operation taking place in Ukraine.
      And if you understood the essence of what is happening, you would not ask such stupid questions, an absolutely incompetent layman.
      Russia is conducting a special military operation in Ukraine! And not at war with Ukraine! Do you get the gist? This is where all our tactics and strategy come from.
      And in order to do what you are talking about, for this all it is necessary to declare a completely official war on Ukraine, with all the ensuing circumstances and consequences.
      But Ukraine has not declared war; like a war, but in a sparing way and on minimal wages.
      If, in the end, war is declared, then all possible forces and means will be used against Ukraine, as a result of which the entire country will be completely destroyed, the state will cease to exist, and millions of civilians will simply die.
      1. YuriK Offline YuriK
        YuriK (Yuri) 25 September 2022 01: 55
        +2
        Poke impolite, and lecture recklessly. See my answer if they publish (something is slow).
        1. YuriK Offline YuriK
          YuriK (Yuri) 25 September 2022 02: 06
          0
          PS. Don't be offended by the diagnosis. Although the disease is running, maybe not all is lost.
          1. YuriK Offline YuriK
            YuriK (Yuri) 25 September 2022 02: 30
            +2
            P.P.S. In case the answer is not published, and I have already intrigued you, I inform you that there are such words there:

            Your categorical tone betrays the incorrigible in you, and your arguments - a narrow-minded narcissist, who argues like a housewife who has seen enough TV in the kitchen.

            I'll let you in on a secret: don't believe everything that the President, the Minister of Defense and Mr. Konoshenkov say on the screen, and don't try to analyze - this is not your element. Your YuriK.
            1. YuriK Offline YuriK
              YuriK (Yuri) 25 September 2022 05: 57
              +2
              And in essence, I’ll add, but not for you, but for those whom you may have misled by your comment: the CBO format was good for the blitzkrieg, which they counted on, but which, alas, did not work out, and therefore it is high time to change concept. And there is an excuse - massive assistance, but in fact an undeclared war on the part of the West.
      2. Alik9 Offline Alik9
        Alik9 (Alik Putor) Today, 01: 36
        0
        Почитай устав ООН, и ты поймешь почему СВО а не война. Всё просто, а не тот *идеализм* что ты написал
  33. Mikhail Savin Offline Mikhail Savin
    Mikhail Savin (Mikhail Savin) 24 September 2022 00: 12
    +2
    Exchange ALL the defendants (real scum / stoned fascists / murderers and finished creatures ..) - conditionally "Nuremberg trials" ' hiding behind 56 ordinary soldiers, but at the same time - I mean the main person involved in the exchange (insultingly and humiliatingly UNEQUAL ..) Mr. Medvedchuk .... This is just bestiality .... A public recognition of weakness in front of Our Own Society and Country .. Nevertheless, it’s kind of aware that Our Chief is Medvedchuk’s godchild, about which he reports in Oliver Stone’s docufilm ... This is - reason to cancel the GREAT HISTORICAL ESTATE OF THE COUNTRY ..-... ".. I don’t change a private for a field marshal ..." The Leader said this too, as you know .. And Private was his Son, who was executed later.,
    Ahh, Chief..
    You are losing points.
    1. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
      Spasatel 25 September 2022 12: 53
      +2
      He doesn't lose points.
      He lost his conscience.
      However, he never had...
  34. usm5 Offline usm5
    usm5 (George) 24 September 2022 00: 39
    0
    In the heat of the moment, you can talk a lot about the Azov people and foreign mercenaries. But in fact, it turned out that the reprisal against them is a fall in the country's image in the eyes of those who still sympathize with Russia. They did the right thing - all these mercenaries and Azov people were downed pilots, because they sang the Russian anthem, they said a lot of "unnecessary things" on camera, and they surrendered shamefully. It is impossible to be very cruel with prisoners now. This increases the resistance of the APU. And it's good that they exchanged for their prisoners and their burnt agent Medvedchuk. If you don’t bail out your agents, then no one will work for Russia anymore
    1. Psychedelic Soldier 24 September 2022 19: 57
      0
      The Arabs harnessed themselves for the mercenaries, apparently at the request of the Americans. No matter how informally, Sadovskaya Arabia supported us in terms of the fact that it did not impose sanctions against us and did not increase oil production in order to bring down prices, so that the Americans so insistently demanded of them.
      And apparently for this reason, ours decided not to spoil relations with the Saudis and agreed to transfer mercenaries to them.
      This is all very big politics, and when it is necessary to be flexible and pragmatic in it.
    2. Psychedelic Soldier 24 September 2022 20: 02
      +1
      Nonsense, of course - Medvedchuk is not our agent, he is just a Ukrainian oligarch, and because. he is in opposition to the Bandera government, he, as a sponsor of the NWO, may well be useful to us, that's all.
  35. Stinging Nettle Offline Stinging Nettle
    Stinging Nettle (Stinging Nettle) 24 September 2022 02: 43
    -2
    Thank you for the article.
    Actually, our people have already done everything themselves, so there is no work left for Ukrainian propaganda.
  36. Stinging Nettle Offline Stinging Nettle
    Stinging Nettle (Stinging Nettle) 24 September 2022 02: 44
    -2
    Quote from usm5
    In the heat of the moment, you can talk a lot about the Azov people and foreign mercenaries. But in fact, it turned out that the reprisal against them is a fall in the country's image in the eyes of those who still sympathize with Russia. They did the right thing - all these mercenaries and Azov people were downed pilots, because they sang the Russian anthem, they said a lot of "unnecessary things" on camera, and they surrendered shamefully. It is impossible to be very cruel with prisoners now. This increases the resistance of the APU. And it's good that they exchanged for their prisoners and their burnt agent Medvedchuk. If you don’t bail out your agents, then no one will work for Russia anymore

    Well, they are cruel to our prisoners. So what? APU fell apart from this?
  37. radvas Offline radvas
    radvas (Igor) 24 September 2022 07: 22
    +4
    ANY prisoner must be retrieved. By any means.
  38. Psychedelic Soldier 24 September 2022 19: 45
    +1
    Medvedchuk went as a makeweight to all our prisoners and nothing more.
    And as they say on the internet, he kind of undertook to be the demand of the NWO.
    1. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
      Spasatel 25 September 2022 12: 57
      0
      Yeees???
      And you do not admit that the rest went as a makeweight to Medvedchuk?
      So to speak, veiled the salvation of dear godfather?
  39. Gulo Offline Gulo
    Gulo (Anatoly) 24 September 2022 22: 12
    0
    To hell with Medvedchuk. But how to believe after that in everything that quite famous people from the Kremlin are broadcasting to us in the news. There are continuous propaganda shows on TV. And there is nothing adequate. Indeed, we are bypassed in information with a dry score.
    1. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
      Luenkov (Arkady) 24 September 2022 23: 01
      0
      Do not trust, do not fear, do not ask. TV as a means of intoxication is of great value.
  40. Luenkov Offline Luenkov
    Luenkov (Arkady) 24 September 2022 22: 59
    +1
    Here, in the smoking room, we came to the conclusion that this Medvedchuk, no one really, but they gave him away with a trailer ... Well, 54 others are valuable. In vain, of course, they didn’t have time to twist the heads of the inveterate Nazis ... We’ll fix it ...
  41. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 25 September 2022 10: 48
    +2
    Probably a candidate for the post of future puppet president of the future puppet regime of the future amputated "Ukraine". And the Azov Nazis were released from the understanding that there is no corpus delicti being a foreigner in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and therefore there can be no trial of them. All this was a show-off and window dressing for the Russian public. Now the tail is tucked in.
    1. Victor Besedin Offline Victor Besedin
      Victor Besedin (Victor Besedin) 26 September 2022 00: 55
      0
      there is no corpus delicti being a foreigner in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

      don't make people laugh...
      International law - what is a mercenary

      A mercenary is a person specially recruited locally or abroad to fight in an armed conflict, actually taking part in hostilities; taking part in hostilities for the purpose of obtaining personal gain, the material content of which significantly exceeds the remuneration paid to combatants who are members of the armed forces of this state; who is not a citizen of a State in conflict or who does not reside in its territory; not part of the armed forces of countries in conflict; not sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict to perform official duties as a member of its armed forces.

      International law-mercenarism is a crime Mercenary, according to international criminal law, is a conventional crime, that is, the composition of the crime is defined by the International Convention against the recruitment, use, financing and training of mercenaries, this phenomenon was declared an international crime (Articles 2 and 3 of the Convention). Thus, the provisions on the criminality of mercenarism are not self-executing and require their introduction into the national criminal legislation of states.
  42. Victor Besedin Offline Victor Besedin
    Victor Besedin (Victor Besedin) 26 September 2022 00: 46
    0
    Oh God .... Alexander, why did you get the idea that the purpose of the exchange was Medvedchuk, and not our 55 soldiers? Medvedchuk was attached as a used condom that no one needed .. It’s dumb for the Nazis to keep him, after all, an oppositionist and his arrest breaks the image of “democratic” Ukronazis, but he doesn’t need us at all - Russian godfathers are not a relative, especially for the president.
  43. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 26 September 2022 17: 57
    0
    To give explanations, to report to the "people who eat", how do many people who call themselves "elite" consider our people? Do not make their slippers laugh, they have long imagined themselves to be celestials, and the people - serfs who are obliged to ensure their well-being. Therefore, they do not want to explain anything, it is not a noble thing to report to the plebs.
  44. Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) Yesterday, 00: 10
    0
    He something to this process what, pardon, sideways?!

    the author probably does not know that the godfather organized and paid for the exchange of more than a thousand soldiers of Donbass ... At least by this he deserved an exchange in a total bundle of 55 captured soldiers of the Russian Federation ... Only degenerates can condemn for the fact that Medvedchuk was pulled out of the dungeons of the hohlogestapo ...
  45. staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) Yesterday, 16: 23
    0
    Forgive Putin a little weakness.